Civil War buffs...a question...

[Fountain79]

I got in a discussion with one of many republican family members concerning the civil war. My cousin made the argument that Missouri had succeeded from the Union. I am aware that it was a slave state but I was under the impression that Missouri was never part of the Confedracy. Anyone have an answer to this?

[kentuck]

1. I seem to recall the Missouri Compromise...

which I believe allowed them to keep slaves, in a compromise with the union.

[Fountain79]

2. Yeah...but they didn't have anything to do with

the Civil war. That determined how states would be admitted into the United States as Free/Slave.

[kentuck]

6. and that had nothing to do with the Civil War?

??

[Fountain79]

7. In the sense of...

it happening during the Civil War or determing whether Missouri was part of the confederacy. It determined whether Missouri was going to be admitted as a slave state.

[knight_of_the_star]

4. Wrong Compromise

That was the Compromise of 1820 also known as the Missouri Compromise that set the line for which there will be no slavery north of it and allowed Missouri to be a slave state to keep the balance in the Senate. Missouri's governor TRIED to make Missouri secede, but his attempts at rallying native Missourians into a fighting force failed spectacularly and the Union army kicked the snot out of the homegrown rebels and kept Missouri in the Union.

[The Straight Story]

3. Not sure myself, but my wife is a civil war buff, will ask her when she gets home

AutumnMist has a thing for them civil war guys in Uniform. Maybe if I dress up like Grant and get drunk we could recreate some battles.... :rofl:

[knight_of_the_star]

5. You best be happy I was not drinking something

Or you would owe me a new keyboard

[unblock]

8. actually a very interesting question. "border state" is the best description

but basically they had representatives in both the union and confederate governments.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_secession

[bookman]

9. Missouri was a Union State...

..that permitted slavery.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War

[Sherman A1]

10. I believe that Missouri did leave the Union

and shortly thereafter, with some smoke & mirrors (and probably some illegal or at least unconstitutional) activity it was yanked back into the Union by the good General Fremont (if memory serves), There were several battles and other actions in the State. I visited the Lexington, MO battlefield this past Spring and there is a nice museum run by the State Parks System. Pilot Knob was another battlefield I have yet to get to and there were some actions in St. Louis as the Union Forces captured a Confederate Militia Camp in what is Mid Town St. Louis.

[eleny]

16. Wasn't The Battle of the Hemp Bales fought in Lexington?

I recall hubby and I making our way back from NYC to Colorado on one of our trips - maybe 15 years ago. We stopped in Lexington and visited the battlefield. It was almost smack in the middle of an old residential area.

[Sherman A1]

17. Yes, Lexington was the battle of the hemp bales

which was rather ingenious on the part of the folks the came up with the idea. Sure beats standing in line and swapping volleys. It was a Confederate Victory, but the pulled out a few weeks later and the Union forces took control of the town again shortly thereafter, so not much of a victory in the long run.

[Monkeyman]

11. I think it stayed in the Union But it did have Raiders

[cornermouse]

13. Bushwhackers and Bald Knobbers

[The Magistrate]

12. The Missouri Government Then In Place, Sir, Did Attempt Secession

It did not join the Confederacy, however, the stated intention of the Governor at the time being independence entire. Federal forces mustered to the task, many of them German immigrants at St. Louis, quashed this quickly, and under martial law declared by Gen. Freemont the state remained in the Union. Gen. Freemont's declaration included an emancipation and other measures President Lincoln felt unwise at the time and place, and he was removed from command. A civil authority loyal to the Federal Union was established afterwards, though exactly when escapes my immediate recollection. The state remained a cockpit of guerrilla war throughout the conflict, distinguished by both the multiplicity of hostile factions, and the vicious conduct of participants.

[theophilus]

14. Missouri stayed in the union but a lot of men from Missouri joined

the Confederate cause. There was a ton of guerrilla action in Missouri. They had gotten a lot of experience in the "bleeding Kansas" debacle brought about by the concept of popular sovereignty.

Also, it has been strongly argued that guerrilla war was actually THE civil war in Arkansas. There were only a handful of set battles with many folks being killed by insurgents and guerrillas on both sides. Yes, Southerners were insurgents.

The Simpsons had a great quote about "respecting the flag"........one old dude said "that's the flag my great grandpappy rebelled against!" Time changes everything, huh?

[NoPasaran]

15. The situation was rather complex

At the start of the war, Federal troops did ensure that the state remain in the Union, but a portion of the state government was pro-secession and organized its own militia, the Missouri State Guard, which was later taken into Confederate service. By 1862 Federal control of the state was pretty much assured; however it remained a scene of raids, guerrilla warfare, and banditry and murder carried out under the banner of war.

The regular representatives and senators of Missouri sat in the US Congress, while the Confederate Congress also recognized secessionist Missouri lawmakers, and Missouri troops fought on both sides.

[Jack Rabbit]

19. Good answer

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the governor also support sucession, and supported the South during the Civil War.

[NoPasaran]

20. Right, Gov. Claiborne Jackson was pro-seccession

The CSA Missouri government-in-exile ended up in Marshall, Texas by the end of the war.

[Jack Rabbit]

21. Muchas gracias, señor

[treestar]

18. Missouri was a border state

A slave state that did not secede. Also applied to Kentucky, Maryland and Delaware - and sort of West Virginia, which seceded from Virginia so as not to secede.