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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 03:21 PM
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another thought on the Bush administration delay re: Iraq....
Edited on Wed Dec-13-06 03:44 PM by mike_c
The Bush administration has painted itself into a very bad corner and they're beginning to see just how hopeless their position looks. Cheney and his band of evil gnomes advocate choosing sides in what is now undeniably a sectarian civil war. He wants to throw in with the Shi'a, pouring more money and firepower into the conflict on their side. This is consistent with supporting the al-Maliki government which, despite pretensions of "unification" is dominated by the majority Shi'ites.

The problems with this course are many, however, and they contradict other stated objectives of the ongoing Bush train wreck. One of the most implacable opponents of the U.S. occupation is the Shi'a cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, who is also a powerful member of al-Maliki's government. Throwing in with the Shi'a will likely fragment them and either broaden the civil conflict or weaken the Shi'a themselves. The al-Maliki government is in a lose-lose situation here and it will quite possibly fall before long because of this internal divide among the ruling Shi'ite parties.

Throwing in with the Shi'a implies throwing in with Iran and Syria, which are closely allied with the Iraqi Shi'ites. The U.S. won't even talk directly to the Iranians. Admitting that they have common interests in Iraq is anathema to Bush administration officials and their neocon cronies. Any such common interests would crumble anyway-- there is no firm ground to stand on in that direction. Further, broader alliances are shifting in the region as the other players are becoming more vocal, threatening, and in the case of Hizbollah, much more successful. The government of Lebanon hangs in the balance, and the chances of being entrenched in the Iraq disaster when the larger conflicts begin to blow up are growing every day.

Saudi Arabia has expressed its support for the rival Sunnis in no uncertain terms, threatening to intervene directly if the United States withdraws from Iraq. It's hard to say whom is who's client state: the Saudis ours or we theirs. In any event, they exert enough influence to summon Darth Cheney for an audience with the king on short notice, and their displeasure could cripple the U.S. economy if they choose to make the point seriously.

So Cheney's proposed solution seems too bitter a pill for the Bush administration to swallow.

Alternatives include supporting the Sunnis rather than the Shi'ites in the sectarian conflict, except that they're the deadenders, Ba'athists, and insurgents against whom Bush justified the occupation in the first place. They largely oppose the al-Maliki government whom the Bush administration pinned its hopes on. Supporting them now would repudiate everything the administration has tried to do so far in Iraq, and would expose the war for the shambling idiotic lunacy that it is.

Simple escalation is another alternative, which might be better described as "painting the corner even smaller." Pouring more troops into Iraq is apparently the plan lobbied by the Pentagon and the generals, for whom fire power is the supreme panacea. They evidently advocate direct confrontation with Muqtada al-Sadr and his Mahdi Army. Unfortunately, this will also likely lead to the fall of the al-Maliki government-- al-Sadr has so much authority in Baghdad that he was able to order a halt to U.S. operations in Sadr City through al-Maliki, who preferred standing up to the Americans rather than al-Sadr. Since al-Maliki is utterly dependent upon his puppet masters to keep him alive and drawing breath, one is left to wonder just who pulls his strings the strongest. Going after al-Sadr will quite likely bring down the "unification government" just as quickly as a withdrawal, and while it's hard to say how that will affect life in Iraq with any certainty, it's a cinch that it won't increase stability at all. The corner into which the neocons have painted us will grow smaller still.

Last, but not least, Bush must consider the wishes of the military-industrial complex captains of industry who pull the strings in Washington, and who will likely see to it that people quietly die and careers are destroyed if their hopes for middle eastern hegemony and perpetual war for perpetual profits are thwarted by "failure" in Iraq. These are the men behind the curtain, yanking the levers and pulling the ropes. It was their interests that James Baker's Iraq Study Commission ultimately represented. If Iraq is the hard place, they are the rock.

So all of the alternatives for Bush and his cronies look bad, worse, and totally awful. The Decider cannot decide. A pound or two of flesh is due but Bush is panicked at the prospect. So he dithers and delays, while the War Cabinet weighs its options and wonders how it got into this terrible corner in the first place.

My personal take is that there is no possible good solution. Furthermore, there is no one in the administration who can get us out of the corner they've gotten us into. They have no alternatives but to keep fumbling "forward" into whatever disaster awaits us because the alternatives are proximally worse for them, and the country be damned.

The only solution is to remove them from office and to scub the influence of militarists and indusrialists from our government. I doubt the latter is possible, frankly, but the short term solution to the corner we find ourselves in MUST begin with the impeachment of Bush and Cheney.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 03:26 PM
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1. I'll Have The Shit Sandwich, With Extra Shit
And a side order of shit. Might as well make that two, to go, please.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 03:29 PM
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2. unless congress acts, that is the menu for the foreseeable future....
Edited on Wed Dec-13-06 03:44 PM by mike_c
Would you like shit fries with that? Care to super-size?
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 03:31 PM
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3. Oops, Yeah, Forgot To Supersize
Good post BTW, it's a nice summation of the situation. :thumbsup:
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 04:04 PM
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4. When will Sadaam be....
executed,is Sadaam a sunni,and do you think that when or after the sentence is carried out that this will further escalate the violence (if it could get any worse)Anyone.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 04:12 PM
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6. I think Saddam's execution will be a blip and little more....
Yes, there will probably be a reaction among Sunni's. But the civil war has gone well beyond any loyalties to Saddam Hussein. If he were freed tomorrow that would not quell the violence, and when he's executed his death will not become a new nucleus for violence, or at least not a significant one, IMO.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 04:04 PM
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5. Very good summary with one suggested adjunct
One of the long term objectives of the neocons is to topple the house of Saud. In my opinion, they want to Iraqify Saudi Arabia and exercise military control over their oil fields.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 04:19 PM
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7. perhaps, but I think they understand that it is way too early for that....
Edited on Wed Dec-13-06 04:21 PM by mike_c
One of their objectives in Iraq was to base a huge military, intel, and diplomatic corps to support the removal of the House of Saud along lines that support U.S. foreign policy interests, which is to say MIC and finance interests. A Saudi collapse in the short term would unleash the Wahhabist clerics and their followers, and would undermine U.S. interests badly, probably for a generation or more. Saudi Arabia would become a Wahhabist Iran, IMO.

Ultimately, I think you're right-- under current U.S. foreign policy the House of Saud holds way too much power. But bringing them down before Iraq is as militarized as Germany was during the Cold War-- or without a stongly pro-American replacement, which is VERY unlikely-- will only add to the neocons' problems.
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Big Sky Boy Donating Member (111 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 04:25 PM
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8. Bush is trying to cherry-pick his advice
The same way he cherry-picked the intelligence that got us into this mess.

Back in 2002 and 2003, he basically told anyone who briefed him "That's not good enough" if he didn't think he could use their data to justify going to war.

Now he is floundering from adviser to adviser, panel to panel, and you can bet he's saying (if only to himself) "That's not good enough" whenever he hears something that won't justify his desperate desire to stay the course and win in Iraq -- whatever that means.

I guess there aren't as many willing sycophants today as there were back then.

If the "decider" can't make a decision after three years of briefings on every tiny little detail of this conflict, then he really doesn't have a plan--never did.

Sad part is that people are dying every day while Nero sits indecisively and plays his lute.

You've summarized the situation as completely as anyone I've read. The whole affair was a mess from the start and the way out is going to be worse.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 08:58 PM
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9. kicking for the night crowd....
:kick:
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 09:23 PM
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10. Good job Mike!
It is hard to use logic to pick any possible course for the b*sh regime. The floundering continues and the looting of the American public and death are the only sure things.
It seems the general unrest is preferred by PNAC and the war profiteers.
It is hard to not see bushco on the side of the Saudi's, but doublecross is one of their favorite MO's.
:dem:
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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 01:19 PM
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11. Impeachment: the ONLY way to rescue our Constitution & open doors of opportunity in Middle East.
An "oldie," but hopefully still a "goodie":

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/pat_k/5">"IMPEACH BUSH" is a message of hope and a declaration of our power`
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 01:26 PM
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12. That's right. The administration is part of the problem, not part of the solution nt
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 01:28 PM
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13. Leaving was never part of the plan - they're still trying to salvage their plan.
Permanent bases and an indefinite military presence are vital to the objectives this group of idiots is STILL pushing. We went there to stay and to get our hands on the oil. It's not a matter of deciding whether to stay or go - it's a matter of deciding how to appease the American people and keep us quiet while they continue doing what they want. They don't care about our troops and they certainly don't care about the Iraqi people.
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