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dmosh42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-02-06 09:48 AM Original message |
Something to ponder about with ACLU |
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eallen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-02-06 10:02 AM Response to Original message |
1. The L stands for "liberties." They have a legitimate concern. |
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charles22 (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-02-06 01:11 PM Response to Reply #1 |
17. Explain. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-02-06 01:16 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. The case isn't based on a right of illegals to work. |
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charles22 (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-02-06 01:21 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. Supremacy Clause? |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-02-06 01:23 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. In other words: local government can't legally override federal law. NT |
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charles22 (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-02-06 01:25 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. Federal law allows employment of illegal aliens? |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-02-06 10:07 AM Response to Original message |
2. 'cause it ain't the only natives got liberties union. |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-02-06 10:15 AM Response to Original message |
3. Should you have to show your id to the city |
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Trajan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-02-06 10:15 AM Response to Original message |
4. L is for LIBERTIES .... |
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dmosh42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-02-06 10:41 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. My problem is all the busted unions.. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-02-06 10:52 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. How exactly does the ACLU fulfilling its mission put it "on the side of Bush"? |
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dmosh42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-02-06 11:02 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. whose liberties? |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-02-06 11:13 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Only to the degree that the Constitution addresses them. |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-02-06 11:23 AM Response to Reply #5 |
10. the aclu is a philosophically oriented organization |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-02-06 01:20 PM Response to Reply #10 |
24. Very true. ACLU supports some causes on principle, alone. |
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charles22 (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-02-06 01:13 PM Response to Reply #5 |
19. Appears that way. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-02-06 01:14 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. If the local government is violating the Constitution they indeed need to be prevented |
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charles22 (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-02-06 01:23 PM Response to Reply #20 |
27. Maybe I'm dense, but still don't see how. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-02-06 01:42 PM Response to Reply #27 |
35. Here are examples for you: |
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charles22 (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-02-06 01:45 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. Ok, due process. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-02-06 01:47 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. No one can demand to be hired. |
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charles22 (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-02-06 01:49 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. If you have no SS or green card, |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-02-06 01:52 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. There is no due process accomodation in these ordinances at all. |
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charles22 (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-02-06 01:53 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. seems vague. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-02-06 01:56 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. Who says an illegal is denied due process? These ordinances deny due |
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charles22 (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-02-06 01:58 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. Then their law should be rewritten. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-02-06 02:00 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. Local government is not empowered to create immigration law. |
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charles22 (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-02-06 02:02 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. Well, we disagree on some points, |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-02-06 02:05 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. You are welcome to disagree with the Constitution. |
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charles22 (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-02-06 02:08 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. I disagree with your interpretation, not the Constitution. |
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yewberry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-02-06 02:02 PM Response to Reply #50 |
55. It's not a technical issue. |
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charles22 (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-02-06 02:03 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. Yes, I do not see it that way, |
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yewberry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-02-06 02:16 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. Well, good luck with that. nt |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-02-06 11:11 AM Response to Original message |
8. More about Hazelton. |
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dmosh42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-02-06 11:25 AM Response to Reply #8 |
11. the 'racism' card isn't there |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-02-06 11:29 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. Well there's the problem of it being unconstitutional. |
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dmosh42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-02-06 11:49 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Ok, thanks |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-02-06 12:22 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. hello? everyone has rights. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-02-06 01:09 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. That doesn't change the fact that illegal immigrants are not supposed to be here. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-02-06 01:13 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. No, they're not. But that's irrelevant to the ACLU's case which is about the |
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dmosh42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-02-06 01:23 PM Response to Reply #14 |
26. Upon reading my constitution..... |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-02-06 01:31 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. "nor deny to any person within its jusrisdiction the equal protection of law" |
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dmosh42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-02-06 01:44 PM Response to Reply #31 |
37. You may be right, but.... |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-02-06 01:48 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. You might be better served by looking at the actual law rather than just going |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-02-06 03:49 PM Response to Reply #37 |
61. What? That is the entire text.! |
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charles22 (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-02-06 01:18 PM Response to Reply #12 |
23. Don't follow. |
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Thorandmjolnir (390 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-02-06 01:27 PM Response to Reply #23 |
30. Because its an area reserved for Congress under |
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charles22 (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-02-06 01:33 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. I don't see new laws, these seem consistent with federal law. |
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yewberry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-02-06 01:42 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. Of course it's new law. |
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charles22 (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-02-06 01:47 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. Federal law makes it legal to rent to an illegal alien? |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-02-06 01:50 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. These ordinances create new laws which they are not empowered to create. |
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charles22 (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-02-06 01:51 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. So federal law makes it illegal to deny rental to illegal alien? |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-02-06 01:53 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. It's illegal to require potential renters to show ID to the city. |
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charles22 (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-02-06 01:55 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. Ok, if that's the case, then see your point. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-02-06 01:33 PM Response to Reply #23 |
33. Hazleton's ordinances are at odds with federal immigration law. |
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charles22 (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-02-06 01:15 PM Response to Reply #8 |
21. Don't agree with the "English" thing, |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-02-06 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
15. Cause they finally supported something you oppose. nt |
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madmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-02-06 01:37 PM Response to Original message |
34. They do stuff for good reasons.... and you may have to ask them to get the truth. |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-02-06 01:58 PM Response to Original message |
51. The C stands for Civic |
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dmosh42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-02-06 01:59 PM Response to Original message |
52. Thanks to all of you for .... |
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charles22 (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-02-06 02:01 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. Yes. I think local gov't have right to deny employment, rental, |
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