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jollyreaper2112 Donating Member (955 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 06:51 AM
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To impeach or not to impeach....
I'm all for impeachment followed by execution. Anyone who saw Colbert's bit on the Saddam hanging, just swap Saddam with Bush and that's how I feel. A spring hanging!

HOWEVER....

I don't know how dificult it would be to get this through the Congress. I remember Clinton's impeachment, it was a fucking circus and prevented honest governing from getting done. Knowing the Pukes for the shitheads they are, I have a feeling that they will fight and drag this out as much as possible, trying to prevent the Democrats from accomplishing anything.

The Dems have a mandate right now. The Republican strategy will be to sabotage as much as possible so the Dems don't have a record to run on in 2008. An impeachment would actually be useful for them because they can use that to clog up Congress for months and months.

So, does anyone else see a way of making it happen? I want to see it but I think we may have to pass on impeachment during the final two years and look towards getting him tried in the international courts after he's out of office. Thoughts?
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YDogg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 06:53 AM
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1. Clinton's impeachment curcus was over a blow-fucking-job.
Bush is treasonous.
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jollyreaper2112 Donating Member (955 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 07:05 AM
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4. don't get me wrong, I want Bush executed
But do we want to go for the impeachment and sacrifice all progress for the next two years? Becuase I think an impeachment would be a bigger circus than the OJ trial. So convince me I'm wrong. I'd rather look forward to seeing him impeached if not swinging from a noose.
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MGD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 06:56 AM
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2. Don't start out with the nuclear bomb. See what Bush does first. At the first sign of Bushit though
crush his nuts.
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WillParkinson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 07:04 AM
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3. Not to impeach
With the Dems winning large it's time to tackle the problems that now plague our country.

Sure, we could dredge up stuff that Bush has done and likely get the impeachment, but our country needs more from us right now than doing something because we can. Instead we have to concentrate on doing what we must.

History will not be kind to Bush. His "legacy" will be forever tainted by what he and his ilk have done.

Let's roll up our sleeves now and show the country, and the world at large, that Democrats get the job done right.
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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 07:09 AM
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6. Agreed
However, a few invesitgations and a whole lot of oversight would be awlfully nice.... Oh, wait that IS THE JOB of Congress...
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everythingsxen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 07:08 AM
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5. Impeach = guaranteed loss for Dems in '08
Pelosi went on TV and gave her word the Dems would not seek impeachment. If they impeach, you can bet your bottom dollar that come 2008 every Democrat will be painted as a liar for that. Also, if anything happens at all post-Impeachment (terror attack, disaster, whatever) it will all be blamed on the Dems. They will lose and lose big because of it.
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 07:31 AM
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10. No, not at all.
The public wants a change of direction in the War on terror, especially Iraq. If we investigate and find impeachable offenses (which we will) AND the "decider" doesn't heed the will of the people, I think they will EXPECT us to impeach and remove. Just like Nixon.
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jeanmarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 07:16 AM
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7. Don't impeach, but keep the tyrant on a short leash
Clean up Ohio voting frauds like not having enough machines in blue districts. Hell, make sure there's enough machines in red districts too.

Let them have their recounts. It's the law. Let them seem shallow for stopping recounts in the first place.

By all means, investigate the energy policy, take them to court over that. Continue down the Abramhoff path. See where it leads.

Absolutely do not be a rubber stamp for Iraq. Question every thing. Get us out of there quickly.

Protect Social Security and don't give the Republicans a single winning issue.
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left is right Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 07:23 AM
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8. Cage him, tame him, make him cry (often)
but don't impeach him. Instead arrest him on January 28, 2009 and try him for high crimes and treason. Make it a Nuremberg showcase him and his whole evil administration
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 07:27 AM
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9. First we investigate and expose everything.
Edited on Wed Nov-08-06 07:28 AM by lapfog_1
And should the facts in the case lead us and the general public to impeachment and removal, that's where we go. Ok, everybody here is pretty sure there have been impeachable offenses, especially considering what the group of assclowns thought was impeachable for Big Dawg... but let's get the real dirt out into the open. Nobody can fault us for doing that, it's what is expected of us by the American people. That was what the entire day was about. And if the Pretzeldent continues his bullheaded course in Iraq, as I expect he will no matter what just happened (he is the decider), then I think the good folks of this land just handed us a warrant to go get him and remove him and Cheney from office.

But it starts with some investigation. Just like Nixon.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 07:34 AM
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13. Yep. I love the smell of Conyers' subpoena's in the morning!
And in the banking and commerce the Robber Barons have an appointment with destiny.

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jollyreaper2112 Donating Member (955 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 09:10 AM
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14. That sounds like a good idea
Dig up the facts. (not dirt, that implies it's mudslinging, we're talking facts that just happen to be filthy.) Dig up those facts and watch Bush stay the course. Let the demands for impeachment then come from the people. I like the sound of that. Then Pelosi can let it be the will of the people rather than petty axe-grinding, PLUS we'll also have the momentum to clean up the other messes they caused.

Ok, you guys have convinced me. No impeachment just yet, we'll let Bush force the issue by not bowing to public demand.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 07:32 AM
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11. Definitely impeach the bastard. We might not convict, but we can impeach now
and we should. Justice must be served to this world class criminal.
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techhead Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 07:34 AM
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12. For execution? Yeah, well I'm not

I'm all for impeachment followed by execution.


NO. I find it extremely difficult to be an "old school" Democrat in what has become essentially an Ultimate Fighting Championship world of politics. I want us to back off, focus on our problems here, and leave the rest of the world alone. I want to make the Republicans irrelevant by doing what we did best back in the day: taking care of the country. Raise minimum wage, negotiate health care as a nation, not as individuals, and let people know that if we are to sacrifice American lives for a cause, then we must believe in that cause.

Most importantly, however, is my belief that all we do should help us - Americans. It's not a popular opinion, I know, but it is the one thing that holds us all together. I'm a Democrat, but there's no mention of it on my passport. On a base level, I'm an American, along with everyone else who lives in this country. If the impeachment attempt of Clinton made us look stupid (and it did), then executing one of our leaders ("deciders" (R)) makes us look even worse. It makes us Barbarians at the proverbial gate waiting to destroy whatever we disagree with. That is not what we should be about. It is not what I am about, and it shouldn't be what this country is about.

We are Americans first. Let us do what is good for our country first regardless of our personal animosities. It's the only way to maintain our survival, and it always has been. If we can't get back to that point, then we will destroy ourselves, no outsider help needed. I don't know about the rest of you all, but I still love being an American because mornings like this are possible - always. If we ruin that possibility, we ruin ourselves.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 09:21 AM
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15. Dual impeachment.
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Algorem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 09:36 AM
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16. One thing's for sure>There's a new sheriff in town.
gonna track 'em down,smoke 'em outta their cave,bunker,oval office,whatever,try 'em and 'hang''em all legal like.
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