FYI: "Hacking Democracy" coming up on HBO, 8pmCT. nt

[babylonsister]

[bdamomma]

1. thanks this is going to get my blood boiling it's either this or Mike Malloy

[qanda]

2. I'm watching here

[babylonsister]

4. I'm watching and anxious. nt

[Tellurian]

3. Yep, on HBO now... 9pm est..

Starting with Al Gore, Florida and the computer generated votes showing negative votes..

Please tune in!

[Tellurian]

5. The fabulous Bev Harris...on now!...nm

[deminks]

6. Watching

I keep waiting for someone to run out and say we are all conspiracy nuts. I can't believe this is a serious program. Where are the naysayers. I know they are coming...

[babylonsister]

8. Heave a big sigh of relief that people will finally understand what

DU has worked so hard for all these years.
And RIP, Andy, this one's for you!

[bdamomma]

7. I am so glad HBO is showing this, what Diebold you are toast!!

[William Bloode]

9. Thanks!

I almost missed it. I only missed 6 minutes!:woohoo:

[babylonsister]

10. Good! I'm glad you're with us! nt

[William Bloode]

12. Andy's on!

:bounce:

[Viva_La_Revolution]

11. nevermind! found it!

too many HBO's to choose from :crazy:


ANDY! :sadsmile:

[Roxy66]

13. OMG!!!!...there's ANDY!!!

[Kadie]

16. It looked like he was writing a post on DU in that clip a moment ago. n/t

[MrScorpio]

It's amazing that I met Andy and didn't know the impact of his work

I wish I had known

[babylonsister]

52. You're lucky. I never had the privilege of meeting him.

I bet he's smiling down now.

[greatauntoftriplets]

66. He probably was...

:D

[babylonsister]

89. greatauntof trips, I remember you

for sharing info, RE: Andy. You were kind and a good friend. Andy would be happy tonight, I hope. :D Even though the news isn't good, it's now out there. And he played a huge part in that.

[EstimatedProphet]

14. Andy's on!

Good for them! I was a little afraid they'd ignore his input.

[babylonsister]

22. This documentary was dedicated to Andy. nt

[EstimatedProphet]

25. Good-it should be

I feel honored to have met him

[deminks]

15. Andy on now. We miss you, Andy.

[Roxy66]

17. I remember all of this.....I hate to say ...Bev did good

Even though she turned out a little hardcore

[Subdivisions]

18. Very interesting stuff so far...n/t

[babylonsister]

19. Interesting but makes me damned angry. nt

[tinfoilinfor2005]

20. Sweet Andy...

Last time he pm'd me he was physically weak but so strong in his determination to warn us all about the fraud that is going on in the polls.

I have to think that he is up there fighting for us all. :cry:

[babylonsister]

23. Be happy it's getting out there; he would be.

:hug:

[Tellurian]

21. Yes, I remember when everyone was worried when Bev was missing..

Howard looked GREAT!

Lex Luther...eat your heart out!

[Tellurian]

28. Kerry's early concession compounded the election fraud..

He knew there was fraud in New Mexico and chose to IGNORE IT!

WTH????????????????????

Teams of lawyers standing by and he concedes!!!

Forget the Kerryites...

[hedda_foil]

110. They changed the timing of when Kerry knew about NM

It was a bit of dramatic license. Nobody knew about the NM op scan scam until December. We compiled and analyzed the NM precinct data for Help America Recount in November and a former bank examiner who studied the data and identified this little "anomoly" which was then brought to Kerry's attention by a friend of their family. So he didn't know when he conceded -- not til much later. I'm not an apologist for Kerry but I know what happened when.

[SouthernBelle82]

124. Exactly

Kerry has said this often and he said if they had any proof they would have went on but they didn't at the time. I mean hell people didn't even know something was going on until Ralph Nader went to New Hampshire to investigate.

[gulfcoastliberal]

24. Why did Kerry concede when the attorney just said Kerry knew of fraud?

WTF?!

[babylonsister]

32. He obviously couldn't prove it; to this day it hasn't been proved. nt

[Tellurian]

80. But BEV HARRIS DID...on her own time and dime!

and the many other people that kept digging with their OWN two hands until they had answers!

[symbolman]

99. HER DIME?

Bullshit. You know better than that.

She had 972,000 dollars in DONATIONS.

HER DIME?

Check out the form 990 off of GUIDESTAR. Those are all CASH DONATIONS.

Let's be HONEST.

[blm]

33. His security expert said there was NO TRACE, they needed a whistleblower

And we know this through Robert Parry's interview with him.


Unless there was a whistleblower they couldn't prove anything.

[Tellurian]

93. Bev Harris has proved everything you've said is UNTRUE..

She proved it all with hard work, sweat and perseverance. AND NO WHISTLEBLOWERS!

You rely on misinformation from other people and then you defend it to the hilt.

What we saw tonight just nailed it for John Kerry. I think he's finished.

Do you have any idea what his lack of perseverance and sheer laziness to fight for himself
and our vote has cost us? I can't write anymore..I'm frickin furious!

[blm]

129. We were all HERE when that went down - Bev WITHHELD that evidence

and kept it from being reported by Olbermann and kept it from Kerry.

And Dem leaders with a VESTED interest have been pretending Kerry lost so they could move the party more to the right to 'win" in 2008.

Smell the orchestration. Someone got to Bev and dangled some cash at her to WITHHOLD the evidence she had for over a year.

[blm]

132. Read post 110 - Kerry said this in DECEMBER - but film makes it seem as if

it happened immediately. They were not clear in the film, but the way it came off would lead one to believe it was immediate.

Kerry's security experts certainly told him there would be no proof to take to court. And that is the ONLY angle they could take to court - PROOF or a company whistleblower.

[Selatius]

26. John Kerry should've fought after revealing NM's votes were RIGGED.

He knew the machines were rigged.

[Quixote1818]

29. We have paper ballots this year. nt

[blm]

31. He also knew there was no way to TRACE IT - Jon Winer told us that.

They needed a whistleblower, and the feelers they put out for one never connected.

[Tellurian]

35. Well, Bev Harris is showing thats just not true..

So, get off the high horse you've been riding because you've been ILL INFORMED!

[blm]

38. Her own expert Hugh Thompson just said it was UNTRACEABLE and so has

every other expert. It was in the RFK article in Rolling Stone, too.

[Tellurian]

46. Lookit! They just said plain as day.Kerry left it up to citizens to investigate the election fraud

Kerry had the resources...he had control..ALL he had to do was call it..

HE WON THE ELECTION AND WAS TOO LAZY TO GO THE DISTANCE TO PROVE IT!

[bicentennial_baby]

50. Do you really support Bev?

If so...wow. She's an f'n lunatic....evil too. Her and her Clinton cigars....whatta...nevermind.. :puke:

[blm]

51. That was editorialization. Kerry had no recourse on the electronic votecount

as that aspect was UNTRACEABLE as every expert has told us.

Kerry DID join the lawsuits on other matters that COULD be litigated.

And they were always seeking a whistleblower.

RFK even said that the whistleblowers he found last spring would ONLY go as far as talking about what COULD happen in the future, and wouldn't say anything about the past.

[Tellurian]

55. So, why didn't anyone contact Bev Harris if she was in the throws of the Black Box Fraud?

Why reinvent the wheel when someone is already out there on top of the research
all over the country.. All Phillips did was a subjective forensic audit..

[blm]

64. Well, maybe you should take up that aspect of Bev with Andy and

many others who were dealing with her personally.

Just remember that this report is being done very much with her subjective take. Others involved reported back in real time many things that weren't quite so above aboard.

I don't mind that it is from her take, the cause itself is THAT important - but let's not pretend that everything she says subjectively is as accurate as the basic, cold hard facts, especially as reported here at DU by our TRUSTED friend, Andy.

[Tellurian]

74. Are you crazy? She showed HARD EVIDENCE!

She found missing tabulating tapes..

You know what...All you do is blame everyone else for Kerry's hardships and POOR decision making process.

The Blame lays squarely in his lap!

He didn't do what he promised every voter he would do...FIGHT!

[sandnsea]

82. And kept them to herself!!!!

Yeah I remember that very very well. It's okay to say the "f" word. She had everybody in a complete tizz. She had tapes, she had it on film!!! It was a very heady time at DU.

And then the bitch kept the video TO HERSELF and this is the FIRST TIME anybody has seen it.

*I* gave money for this, as did many DUers, and she didn't use any of it for a criminal investigation.

Why the hell do you think people are so pissed off at her??

[demobabe]

112. I remember we all begged her to show them

We begged her to get them to CNN, Olbermann, or even upload them to a website where we could see them. Did she? Nooooo... but she did spend plenty of time telling us how Katherine Wynn was videotaping everything, and how we needed to send her money, more money, more, more, more... even during DU's own fundraiser, too.

[SouthernBelle82]

127. So if she had this

proof and she was "So for the cause" why didn't she prove it back than when it was still fresh and mattered? Why did she wait for this documentary? How much did they pay her? It seems to me to be all about the money and fame and not so much about hard work.

[ProSense]

85. For which state?

Ohio didn't use Diebold machines. If this was for Florida, why didn't she share the evidence with Kieth Olbermann when he asked?

[blm]

122. I know this - Dem "leaders" know Kerry won with the most votes ever cast

in history yet they immediately started saying he was too weak on national security, the party has to move right to attract values voters, and he was an awful candidate.

And I do not believe in coincidence at that level, but I do know ORCHESTRATION when I see it.

Some of our celebrity Democrats had a vested interest in publicly REINFORCING the idea that Kerry lost.

So without proof in hand on Nov.3, Kerry was on his own.

WHO was telling Harris to withhold the evidence from people like Kerry and Keith Olbermann?

[greatauntoftriplets]

106. No one can now take it up with Andy....

:cry:

[SouthernBelle82]

126. Even though

someone just posted there was no trace and no proof. Oopsie. So how could he had have any resources and tools if it's non-traceable? That doesn't make any sense.

[babylonsister]

34. He had to prove it. And what about Richardson? He wiped the

slate clean.

[blm]

43. Richardson was doing the bidding of DNC - McAuliffe told Kerry they

wouldn't back a legal battle without proof.

[babylonsister]

47. I still think that if there was any question, he could have just stored

the info instead of destroying it.

[blm]

53. No doubt...I agree...but THAT was the level of cooperation that Kerry was getting

from the Dem party. They dug in their heels and were NOT going to go through another 2000 no matter what they told us publicly.

Look how Carville was feeding info to Matalin...some of these Dems were not being Dems in 2004.

[babylonsister]

54. True. So we as Dems weren't interested then but it's so

damned important now. What shortsightedness, and ignorance.

[roody]

70. Not me. I sent money to the Green Party in Ohio and

to Black Box Voting, while Kerry sat on his pile of money.

[Subdivisions]

36. There was a very good reason that John Kerry did not

contest the election results. And because he was smart enough to know he couldn't win against a stolen election, he decided not to jeopardize another unrelated investigation.

[Rainscents]

44. I read few weeks ago here on DU, Carville told his wife,

Kerry is going to fight the voting fraud and his wife told Rove and next thing you know, Kerry concealed.

[SouthernBelle82]

125. Oh yes

So if we private citzen's can't know the truth how do you think John Kerry is going to walk right in court and prove it to a jury? I know people who still don't believe it can happen and these people claim to hate George Bush very much but they don't buy it. If these people don't buy it what makes you think a jury would buy it? Especially if YOU HAVE NO RELIABLE PROOF! And ever since than Kerry has been working on election reform.

[Roxy66]

27. I am steaming now...watching Kerry give up again...argghhh!!!!

I hope he doesnt run again!!! He knew...we knew...and he gave up!!!!

[deminks]

30. In honor of GEMS, I repost this photo

from 2004.

[bdamomma]

40. that's the culprit right there, Rove, he is the SOB who manipulated

losing our vote, they are going to this again, and are we going to stand for this again. I am pissed. Did you see how those women were going through the garbage, votes in the garbage, god, this is disgusting.

[ChiciB1]

75. I Wish I Had A Photo Of The Bushies All Together Nov. 2000!!!

It said VOLUMES! The look of shock when it was announced Gore took Florida, then the calm when the retraction was made.

In between those TWO shots, many phone calls MUST HAVE been made!!!

[Placebo]

37. RIP American Democracy

Anyone who thinks otherwise ain't paying attention.

[Selatius]

39. I'm glad the David Cobb of the Green Party fought in Ohio.

He was good.

[babylonsister]

41. Stephanie Tubbs Jones! That brings me back to that hopeful time,

she stood up with Barbara Boxer. It was a small victory, but it was a victory!

[babylonsister]

42. THIS IS ANDY'S LEGACY! Thank you, Andy! Your work has paid

off!

[blm]

48. I was completely choking up looking at his lovely face and feeling

his infectious vigor.

[EstimatedProphet]

49. That was nice to see

[RadiDem]

45. I just ordered HBO specifically so I can watch it! -nt-

[pacalo]

91. It was worth it, wasn't it? :) You'll be pleased to know that starting Monday

this documentary will be available on your OnDemand channel, watching it whenever you want to.

[Daphne08]

102. We did, too. n/t

[pacalo]

119. You & RadiDem can watch Bill Maher on Fridays!

[William Bloode]

56. One part made me cry.

I knew no more of Andy than what i know of him from here. I did not know him personally, but the part of this where they talked of his cancer, and how he hoped his work would leave a mark for him to be remberd for made me cry.

:cry:

It did Andy, lots of us remember you, and many more know you after tonight!

[blm]

58. I know....

in a way ALL of us are his legacy, too.

[babylonsister]

57. No wonder Diebold didn't want this to be seen. Be still, my heart.

We were thoroughly screwed.

[qanda]

59. No kidding!

This is a very powerful documentary.

[Tellurian]

63. Amen to that sister...

I just don't want to be deluged by how Kerry is the ONE..

Two days in a row of seeing Kerry (in)action...will do it for me!

The Dem nominee has to be prepared to STAND AND FIGHT!

and not lip service of broken promises!

[texpatriot2004]

105. Excellent graphics you have there. I have always said I can get

a reciept for any transaction, anywhere, for anything except voting. I don't get it, it's not rocket science...unless you are trying to hide something.

[Tellurian]

109. The graphics are courtesy of SoCalDem..

He has volunteered them free for the taking..

Help yourself..







Here is another set he created:

[texpatriot2004]

111. Oh cool, thanks nm

[blm]

69. No wonder BushInc made a big smear about Kerry - they KNEW this was coming

out and they had to spin Kerry into someone despicable by creating an INSULT to the troops.

This is just the same tactic they used to drive down Clinton's approvals to make them look good so they created the TRashing the White House story.

[Sweet Freedom]

78. Bingo! /nt

[babylonsister]

81. blm! That could be the nail on the head, though

for them, any distraction would do. But you know they were aware this was surfacing.

Should make Tuesday interesting...

[pacalo]

87. Good point! After watching this, I wouldn't be surprised if you're right.

It was laid out in simple terms, yet it had an explosive effect. Bush/Diebold must have been stewing about this getting out.

[ChiciB1]

100. Please Read My Post # 90... I Went To Repuke Hdqrs Today... n/t

[ramblin_dave]

60. The memory card was preloaded with equal + and - votes

that cancelled out and gave an initial vote total of zero. I had never seen anything that spelled this out before. People are taking these systems home with them. All they need is a gizmo to preload the memory cards.

[babylonsister]

61. It's never been discussed in this depth before; Andy's legacy! nt

[bdamomma]

62. just finished watching now are we going to let this happen to us

again, the woman who was crying I was crying with her. this is just sickening.

[BattyDem]

71. I was crying with her, too.

I'm sick. I knew they were rigging the system, I just never dreamed it was so EASY to do and so COMPLETELY untraceable. :cry:

[pacalo]

95. Unless there was a hand count, & of course, that wasn't allowed.

:mad:

[BattyDem]

96. Apparently, Cuyahoga County even rigged the hand count!

They "fixed" the 3% sampling so a full recount wouldn't happen. Unbelievable!

:grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:

[pacalo]

118. Pitiful.

I think of Rep. Peter King: "It's all over but the counting -- & we'll take care of the counting."

[renate]

101. it was the end of any possible illusions about what democracy means

and about what America is supposed to mean.

That was such a tragic moment... more than 200 years of pride in our democracy, a democracy thousands upon thousands have died for over the centuries, and the precious right of all citizens to vote that also took thousands of lives to win, suddenly revealed as a complete sham, destroyed by a handful of power-hungry sociopaths to whom all those sacrifices mean nothing.

The women and men who revealed this are such heroes. (I remember all of what happened with BBV and BH, but she and her associates did a good thing in bringing these facts to light.) This was a wonderful tribute to Andy.

:patriot:

[Lost-in-FL]

65. What the F---- is this???

OMG... I am freaking out!!! :wow: :mad: :cry:

[rzemanfl]

67. Why now? Anybody who watched that and believes George

Bush is the President of the United States belongs in an institution.

Fucking unbelieveable...

[iwanmycntrybak]

68. It's over we are on our own.

[ChiciB1]

90. I've Been Saying It For Years... We The People... We MUST NOT

let out guard down.... EVER! I went to our local Repuke Hdqrs today with my daughter, just checking things out and asking loaded questions, as if we were Repukes. We were told that "this time" they had been assured that the absentees will be counted!! We BOTH acted SHOCKED, but they nodded in agreement. We went there under a different premise and didn't ask anymore questions.

When we got back into my car we both felt completely STUPID! What did that lady mean?? I've heard rumors for years that absentees weren't getting counted here, but never heard it from the lips of a Repuke at a Hdqrs. I would say why we went there, but I'm afraid of the consequences so I have to decline.

How I wish NOW that I had asked MORE questions!!!! Don't think we can go back there for certain reasons, so I REALLY REALLY screwed up!!! BTW, she commented that the counting of the absentees should start tomorrow. Every word I just said is ABSOLUTELY true!

[ChiciB1]

72. I Don't Know About Everything Bev Harris Did That Was So

awful, but what I just saw was a dogged, dedicated person who did a hell of a lot more than everyone in Congress!

Sorry if this offends anyone because I know there have been threads about certain things she did, but watching this tonight SCARES THE HELL OUT OF ME!!

Dealing with who we are dealing with, and I do recall it being said that Dems did this also, I can only say as a Florida resident my memories of the night of the election in 2000 come flooding back. I recall when Florida was called for Gore BEFORE it was called for The Idiot! I recall watching The Idiot and his family being TOLD that Florida went to Florida and the looks on their faces! I remember it well... that smirky look from this monster running this country!

I have stated this many many many times in threads here at DU, the election was STOLEN, but if something happens THIS time, if WE THE PEOPLE and I mean as a MASSIVE GROUP, don't seriously become Revolutionaries in some fashion then IT'S OUR FAULT!

If it means we must MARCH, then I say On With The R-E-V-O-L-U-T-I-O-N!!!

There is a possibility that this time they will "lay off" because of what we all just saw, but NEVER EVER forget that in 2008 it could happen ALL OVER AGAIN!!

[Lost-in-FL]

73. Wait!!! 1, 2, 3...

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHh!!!

Still not working for me!!!:wow: :wow: :grouphug: :banghead: :nuke: :freak: :freak: :freak: :freak: :freak: :freak: :freak: :freak: :freak: :freak: :freak:

I now wished I never watched this!! :cry:

[ChiciB1]

77. It Kind Of Knots Your Stomach... Yes???? n/t

[keopeli]

76. I've known the vote was hacked for years, but this shows us proof.

Simple laymen analysis of the 2000 vote indicated fraud. From then forward, the process of hacking has no doubt been refined.

Vote hacking can be done by both Democrats and Republicans. This is not a partisan issue. In my "blue" state of Washington, home of Bev Harris, it is the Republicans who legitimately point to election fraud vulnerabilities. In our 04 gubernatorial election, the Democrat won by less than 100 votes. This happened only after the third count of the votes - a manual, hand recount. Until the third count, the Republican had won.

No one is immune to electronic vote hacking. The responsible parties are the private companies who own the system and prevent scrutiny, the elected officials who allow this to happen, and the electorate that remains uninformed or in denial.

The 06 Election will be hacked also. Perhaps it will be Democrats who win this time, but that does not prove or disprove hacking. No matter what the result, the opportunity to hack votes without detection is so prevalent that assuming the vote is accurate is no longer a responsible perspective.

Prediction: When the Republicans one day suffer a loss at the hand of electronic vote hacking, they will vigorously pursue every legal and extra-legal option possible to expose the problem. Unlike Democrats, the Republicans have no scruples or principles. They won't concede an election just to retain the stability of government, as Al Gore did. They won't concede an election for fear of losing the battle, as Kerry did. They will be relentless until they get their way. Unfortunately, given their history, the Republicans are likely to simply modify the results in their favor while continuing to endorse a hackable system which they can later control.

[BattyDem]

83. Exactly! I don't care which party is guilty or if one is "more guilty" than the other

This shit needs to stop ... NOW!!!!!!! :grr: :grr: :grr:

[babylonsister]

98. Amen! And the bipartisan 'everyone' need to figure out how

serious this is.

[BillORightsMan]

113. Uh, can you say HAVA?

keopeli pointed out: "Unfortunately, given their history, the Republicans are likely to simply modify the results in their favor while continuing to endorse a hackable system which they can later control."

Am I missing something or didn't they do that already?

I know! Let's ask Bob Ney and Jack Abramoff
Feds Investigating Ney, Abramoff, HAVA Negotiations!
Case Links Ney and Abramoff, a Tribe, a Casino, Millions of Dollars and a Transparent Lie!
So … What's Wrong With This Picture??? Hold out BOTH hands, Mr. Ney!! Book 'em, Danno!

Better yet, ask http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/2002-11-06-chambliss_x.htm">Max Cleland.

Or even better yet, Chuck Hagel.

Welcome to the party, keopeli.

imbillorightsmanandiapprovethismessage

[seemunkee]

79. Presented the problem in a way that everybody can understand

Whether you knew anyone in the movie or not the issue was brought to light.

[babylonsister]

86. And the first time ever! nt

[Cameron27]

84. Nothing else matters

Not one thing that this country does matters more than this and right now I feel sick.

[ewagner]

88. That was really hard to watch

there were just so many emotions to relive...

...that horrible emotional crash the morning after the election...the steely resolve to fight on in Ohio...get bags packed to go to Ohio and then...Kerry conceded...

The fights on DU over Bev and her techniques...

the blow-by-blow reports from Andy and the "troops" in Florida..Volusia county...

The "false trails"...in Florida with the boys "reform school"...

The final fall-out between Bev and Andy...

The discovery of Andy's sickness

The hurcluean effort on DU to get Andy into Johns Hopkins...to raise $50.000 for his surgery...the fu with the money transfer...the smear campaign on that "other site". The doubt that was raised even here by some of his friends....DAMNDAMNDAMNDAMNDAMNDAMN....I hated those days.....

And of course, Andy's death...


:cry: :cry: :cry:

It's been a long, long trail my friends ....we've been to heaven and hell together...just like any family...

Damn.

I still don't know what I'd do without my DU friends....

[babylonsister]

94. Incredible, isn't it. Andy would be proud. Hell, I'm proud and amazed

this was aired. The timing couldn't suck more, only because everyone and their brother will now be suspicious, but maybe that will turn into a good thing. Or not...:shrug: I also remember and love Tubb-Jones and Boxer going to bat for us. They were fearless and I was in awe. We were so down, and they lifted me up!

[NEDem]

92. Just watched it,

I had to take a quick shower to collect my thoughts.

I still don't know if I believe its as widespread as some believe it is, but I'm a believer now more than before. But then again I've always believed it was possible.

The people it will be interesting to watch are the diehard non-believers.

I just told my wife, that scared me more than any of the ghost story shows this week.

Thanks HBO

[Daphne08]

97. My husband almost fell off the sofa when they told about the

executable program on the memory card.

He said it should NOT be!

[symbolman]

103. This film should be called "Andy's Legacy"

And Bev Harris can walk west til her hat floats, or she turns upsidown and drowns.

Here's my Memorial made for Andy when he passed, and it's as true today as it was when I first posted it:

http://web.takebackthemedia.com/geeklog/public_html/staticpages/index.php?page=20050710095608538

[meldroc]

104. That was a powerful documentary.

Being pretty new to DU, I've never had the priviledge of knowing Andy, but I'm glad to have seen some of his work.

It's one thing to read web sites about hacking the vote. It's an entirely different thing to actually watch it being done.

Just think. Out of all the millions of voters and thousands of election workers out there, all it takes is one asshole with a laptop, a memory card reader and a hex editor (or maybe just a tiny program on his machine, just a hundred lines or so of C source code) and the election's cooked. And that's just one way to do it. There's also changing the MS Access database on the tabulation server, or planting viruses on the machines, or in some cases, hacking the machines wirelessly from your car using a laptop.

Just one asshole. That's all it takes to destroy democracy.

My blood is fucking boiling. There is nothing I want to do more than go to the warehouses where these machines are stored, with a bunch of trustworthy friends, and a bunch of pickaxes, and smash the unholy cheating hell out of every single one. Then leave a note stating "When you stop wringing your hands over the financial loss you just incurred and start soliciting bids from Diebold, ES&S and Sequoia to replace these vote stealing machines, DON'T. All you need to have fair, open and transparent elections are pens, paper and lots and lots of eyeballs on the process."



Of course, if I actually did that, I'd go to jail, and fundamentally, nothing would change. But I can fantasize.

[babylonsister]

107. Great post! And I'm sure you're aware that Diebold

is owned by some very rethug guys who contributed heavily to the rethug party. Surprise!

[althecat]

108. Hi Agent Mike!....

:)

What an interesting idea....

[MaraJade]

115. Can you say

Boston Tea Party. . .

as a fantasy, maybe not such a bad idea. . .

[MaraJade]

114. I am soooo worried that Pennsylvania is going to be the next state

FREEPED!

I really hope people were watching this!

[sybil]

116. The midnight adventures of a Diebold Voting Machine

'What kind of misadventures can befall a Diebold voting machine that is not secure?'

Video:
http://www.debrabowen.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=172&Itemid=28l

Debra Bowen for CA SOS! Keep the bear blue!

[BillORightsMan]

117. What to do? Hand Counted Paper Ballots (HCPB)

No HBO here, but all your comments have been very good and your descriptions of this documetary are great.

Problem is, this documentary should have been in theatres MONTHS before now, like Fahrenheit 9/11 was in the summer of 2004.

So, what can we do now? Go Vote for starters. Ya can't bitch if ya didn't vote.

Next, imagine the Dems WIN! The FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS will be HB 6200:
Dennis Kucinich: Announcement of HR 6200 to Require Paper Ballots Hand Counted for Presidential Elections

So then what?

WE need to create the movement and atmosphere to make
HAND-COUNTED PAPER BALLOTS
the Rule of Law in all 50 states.

HOW?
Let's go to New Hampshire:

We're counting the votes--and you can too!

The DFNH Fair Elections Committee is proud to release the September 2006 edition of "We're Counting the Votes: An Election Preparedness Kit for…New Hampshire Citizens, Candidates, and Campaigns and for…All the Good and Honest Election Officials, Election Workers, and Poll Workers of New Hampshire."

This version has been updated to include additional information about, and instructions for, hand counting and election night count reconciliation procedures, updated election laws, additional election laws pertaining to citizen election inspectors, plus information about national voter attitudes towards observability and transparency in vote counting.

SEE HCPB in action!
"We're Counting the Votes" videos

Don't forget to volunteer at www.ep365.org ! We can use as many warm bodies as we can get!

SPECIAL OFFER FOR DU'Rs: FREE room & board (courtesy ME!) for those that volunteer for CUYAHOGA COUNTY, OHIO.

imbillorightsmanandiapprovethismessage

[McCamy Taylor]

120. Great doc. Very energizing! Kerry can kiss 2008 goodbye, the rat bastard.

[blm]

123. Why? You blame HIM for having NO PROOF and a DNC that never wanted

any Democrat to win in 2004, anyway.

Don't mix the subjective aspect of the documentary with the hard facts which Kerry needed on Nov. 3.

[symbolman]

121. So it's all Kerry's fault

when according to this Film, Harris KNEW and Didn't TELL HIM?

Please explain that to me, because that doesn't make sense.

Personally, rather than seeing them Trash Kerry, they should be telling us WHY Harris didn't send Kerry the info she had, or Go on Olbermann as requested, or SHOW her PROOF on the DU to be disseminated to the Blogosphere...

Why no mention of the Qui Tam where she got a nice little chunk of change? No mention of her GUN TOTING Freeper pal either.

NO mention of the MANY PEOPLE right here at the Du who donated, nothing said there. No Mention of all the People who gave hearts, souls and HOURS of labor.. she even filled out all those FOIA's ALL by herself?

Would you like to let us know why Randi Rhodes was apparently PISSED off at her for not showing up in Ohio, where the action was?

Why is Randi saying in this clip, near the end, "If she's making a movie with all that money, we'll know about it.." SO even if Harris Didn't FUND the movie (and she WAS shilling for money for the film right HERE), then she was with holding footage and info FOR HER TO USE IN THE FILM.

Listen to the MP3 and tell me what a hero she is, when she acts all baffled as to ANDY BEING FIRED when he returned from his sister's funeral, when Harris's OWN SITE announced the FIRING OF ANDY...

As I mentioned before, she sucked nearly a Million bucks, BY HER OWN ADMISSION to the IRS from the web and others, all Donations, and all we got for it was this film ABOUT HER?

Please. The hero worship needs to be tempered with FACTS and there are Plenty of them. Those that want to stick their heads in the ground and Paint "Harris for President" on their asses, don't have their asses covered, now do they?

Link to Randi grilling a squishy Harris below:

http://web.takebackthemedia.com/geeklog/public_html/staticpages/index.php?page=20050710095608538

[meisje]

128. just as long as you're not bitter

[symbolman]

130. Facts are facts

and if you want a non corrupt voting system you don't get it from someone who Leaves everyone out but themselves.

That is not inclusive, and it's corrupt on it's face.

so choose.

[meldroc]

131. K&R

It's important that as many people as possible see this show.