Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

I feel shame as a moderate Democrat re:filibuster

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (01/01/06 through 01/22/2007) Donate to DU
 
RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 04:45 PM
Original message
I feel shame as a moderate Democrat re:filibuster
Edited on Thu Jan-26-06 04:49 PM by RGBolen

I am a moderate, hell I have even given money to the DLC (gasp on DU). I am thankful to John Kerry for wanting to lead the filibuster, I think this fight is big enough and important enough that even if we are going to lose we need to fire every shot, and fight to the very last second. The separation of powers and the privacy rights under Roe v. Henry Wade are too important for this fight to not be waged in an all out manner, and Alito has given too much indication that he respects neither.

The shame I feel it because other moderate Democrats that happen to be elected to the US Senate are not standing up to lead the fight. I as many of them would be willing to allow capable and qualified conservative jurists to the bench, we don't have the white house or control of the Senate and we know judges from this White House are going to be to the right, but we do not have to accept those to the extreme right and at some point we have to stand up. A filibuster lead by moderate Dems and perhaps a moderate Republican would send the clearest of messages to Bush and the far right. I will not change my political positions as they are not determined by revenge or the actions of those I agree with or disagree with but by what I believe in. However today as a moderate Democrat I do feel ashamed of my centrist brethren.

And by filibuster I mean all the way, I would not even yield the floor for a cloture vote, I would let them know that they have a sargent at arms and if they wanted me to shut up and leave the floor they better call him up.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 04:50 PM
Response to Original message
1. shame as a "moderate"?
:eyes:

there ARE NO MORE "moderates" in EITHER party. "moderate" = ignorant now
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Angry Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 04:51 PM
Response to Original message
2. It's not your fault. You're a victim just as much as we are
Half of America lacks representation because of these greedy, cowardly bastards.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LeftNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 04:51 PM
Response to Original message
3. DONT FEEL SHAME, ACT!!
Call Landrieau, Salazar, Johnson, and Byrd. Tell them how you feel. Tell them you are a moderate. We can convince you the DLC is bad later. Right now, we need you. CALL THEM !
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 04:52 PM
Response to Reply #3
5. I've made calls

And e-mails with a couple of staffers I know.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LeftNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 04:53 PM
Response to Reply #5
7. ok...well dont feel shame...feel embarrased if your leadership doesnt come
through for you, but know that you are doing whatever needs to be done.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Indykatie Donating Member (416 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 04:51 PM
Response to Original message
4. Great Post
I too view myself as a centrist. I swallowed the Roberts nomination but am strongly opposed to Alito.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 04:53 PM
Response to Original message
6. RGB....
Although I`m an old fashioned liberal, there`s no shame in being a moderate Democrat. Glad to see the position you`ve taken on the filibuster. Hang in there.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 04:54 PM
Response to Original message
8. They wouldn't blink an eye at calling in the Capitol police. They did it
in the house. The repuke Senators have gotten just as bad as the Reps in the house. They would call in the police and remove anyone who isn't following procedures. Then, the media would SKEWER whoever was hauled out.
However, I like the "Mr. Smith Goes To Washington" approach. It's much more exciting.:)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 05:37 PM
Response to Reply #8
14. And if I were fillibustering it I'd make them call

them in to forceablly remove me.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 04:56 PM
Response to Original message
9. I agree with you. This may very well be THE most important fight,...
,...in our lifetimes.

We simply cannot risk our form of government to a man who may rule in favor of a "unitary executive" e.g. dictatorship.

This is serious, serious caa caa!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
radio4progressives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 04:57 PM
Response to Original message
10. the problem with the moderate position, isn't pretty
please take this in the spirit it is intended.

some say, that a moderate is one who tries to find the center and just squats there. that' old saying goes back to the days of FDR. maybe even long before then.

But too often the meaning is vague and inconsequential.

Meaningless when it comes to matters of lesser principles at best, but more often harmful to other principles in question.

The problem with "moderate" is that such an identity has been given a sort of "honorable" consideration in the politics.

It's perfectly commendable when it comes to how one lives their life, and conducts their affairs and so on. But where it comes to matters of principle, that's quite another issue and that's where the rule of "moderation" falls apart, because in Washington, when is it not about matters of principle?

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 05:05 PM
Response to Reply #10
13. mine isn't to be "moderate" it's based on my principles

and what I believe in and support puts me somewhere around the center of the Democratic party. The tag "moderate" is only the political nomenclature that the media and others use to describe the political position my beliefs place me.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Neecy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 05:00 PM
Response to Original message
11. No, don't feel shame
This is one issue that defies (or should) party labels. I'd be very surprised if many moderate Republicans (and yes, there still are a few of them around) aren't feeling stunned that this man might sit on the court as well.

This is a basic American issue, not a 'moderate' or 'liberal' one. Alito threatens the rights of all of us.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LeftNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 05:04 PM
Response to Reply #11
12. Good point...
the media and the Republicans are trying to make this a partisan issue. I am sure if you explained to most people what Alito is about, they would support a filibuster and a "No" vote.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Wed May 01st 2024, 04:58 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (01/01/06 through 01/22/2007) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC