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400Years Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 03:46 PM
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Madeleine Albright "It's worth it" to sacrifice half million iraqi kids
Edited on Thu Jan-26-06 03:48 PM by 400Years
I am posting this just to clear up some facts as far as what Cindy Sheehan was referring to when she made the comments that people have been talking about. In no way do I think Clinton is as bad as bush but I don't see the need to pretend he was some angel the way freepers pretend bush is god.

Now Al Gore, he's got integrity and cares deeply about right and wrong.

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1084

"We Think the Price Is Worth It"
Media uncurious about Iraq policy's effects- there or here

By Rahul Mahajan

Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that's more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?

Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price--we think the price is worth it.

--60 Minutes (5/12/96)

Then-Secretary of State Madeleine Albright's quote, calmly asserting that U.S. policy objectives were worth the sacrifice of half a million Arab children, has been much quoted in the Arabic press. It's also been cited in the United States in alternative commentary on the September 11 attacks (e.g., Alexander Cockburn, New York Press, 9/26/01).

But a Dow Jones search of mainstream news sources since September 11 turns up only one reference to the quote--in an op-ed in the Orange Country Register (9/16/01). This omission is striking, given the major role that Iraq sanctions play in the ideology of archenemy Osama bin Laden; his recruitment video features pictures of Iraqi babies wasting away from malnutrition and lack of medicine (New York Daily News, 9/28/01). The inference that Albright and the terrorists may have shared a common rationale--a belief that the deaths of thousands of innocents are a price worth paying to achieve one's political ends--does not seem to be one that can be made in U.S. mass media.

It's worth noting that on 60 Minutes, Albright made no attempt to deny the figure given by Stahl--a rough rendering of the preliminary estimate in a 1995 U.N. Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) report that 567,000 Iraqi children under the age of five had died as a result of the sanctions. In general, the response from government officials about the sanctions’ toll has been rather different: a barrage of equivocations, denigration of U.N. sources and implications that questioners have some ideological axe to grind (Extra!, 3-4/00).
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 03:57 PM
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1. yes, the left or rather some of the left's representatives
have been hypocrites on the issue.


one hopes the democratic party gets it's act together around defence and peace issues -- or the softer approach to america's way or the highway.
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Laughing Mirror Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 03:59 PM
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2. The mask fell off when that old hag said that
She tried to put it back on later, but it was too late.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 04:03 PM
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3. Load of crap.
This unsubstantiated, wild-ass assertion that sanctions resulted in the deaths of a half-million Iraqis--and now just Iraqi's isn't good enough, it has to be Iraqi children--seems to be the single point that the suicide dove left loves to throw at Clinton. Only problem: nobody has any evidence that it ever happened. People take this UN report, which wasn't exactly well-backed in the first place, and twist it out of all proportion. It's just a wild charge somebody made up, and people keep repeating it as if it's true, trying to make the Clinton admin look like psychopathic baby-killers because they pursued a policy of containment rather than either open war or letting Saddam out of the box. It's a bogus talking point, like the million people that Saddam supposedly had killed, only to find about 5,000 bodies.
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400Years Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 04:22 PM
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4. Tell that to Albright
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 04:30 PM
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5. Who kept the food from the Iraqi children, Saddam or Albright?
Need to dig a little deeper. Oil-for-food provided $31 billion to Iraq....and starving Iraqi children are Clinton and Albright's fault?

Iraqi Oil Sales Fund Humanitarian Action

About $31 billion worth of humanitarian supplies and equipment were delivered to Iraq under the Oil-for-Food Programme between 20 March 1997 and 21 November 2003, including $1.6 billion worth of oil industry spare parts and equipment. Additional goods and supplies from the Programme's multi billion dollar humanitarian pipeline are being delivered on a priority basis in consultation with the Coalition Provisional Authority, Iraqi representatives and UN agencies and programmes. (21 November 2003)

http://www.un.org/Depts/oip/

$31 billion, sent to Iraq in over six years, and the Iraqi people are still starving? Why would that be? Who the heck would've kept that food from those kids?

Answer: Saddam's regime was corrupt as hell. Oil-for-food was meant to curb that corruption, bypass the middleman, and feed the Iraqi people. If you look at oil-for-food on the surface, it was simple: Saddam sells his oil and receives humanitarian supplies, pays off reparation for Gulf I, and funds the weapons inspection program....and like North Korea, Saddam chose to feather his own nest and starve his own people. Even if we HAD sent all the food and medicine that the Iraqi people needed, to assume that Saddam would have "done the right thing" is ludicrous, given his history.

Yes, another solution should have been found, but to blame Clinton and Albright for Saddam's corruption is simplistic and inherently false. Unfortunately, Saddam won the propaganda war with the Arab "street", and that's what counts.
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400Years Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 04:41 PM
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8. Yes and let's pretend that the CIA and Reagan never supported Saddam

fact is the entire U.S. foreign policy establishment, i.e. the entire western elite deserve blame that includes everyone in power since 1956 really.

The cold hard reality is you can't play this off as a republican vs. democrat thing.

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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 04:46 PM
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9. The question remains: who starved those kids?
I'm not playing this off as a partisan issue at all.

Hey, if you want to bring up the US' historical support of Iraq, you can pretty much go all the way back. Again, not sure what that has to do with oil-for-food, but I'm listening.
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400Years Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 04:49 PM
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11. Albright knew those kids were dying and didn't care

The first Gulf War was waged under bogus pretenses and the 12 years of sanctions were just a continuation of that.
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 05:00 PM
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16. If she didn't care, then why bother with oil-for-food at all?
If $31 billion isn't caring, I don't know what is...
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400Years Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 05:07 PM
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21. Public outcry
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 05:11 PM
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25. Please explain, I have no idea what you're talking about. n/t
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400Years Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 05:15 PM
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28. Here

http://vitw.org/courtcase/page/2/
The US Justice Department is suing Voices in the Wilderness to try to collect a fine of $20,000 for bringing medicines to the people of Iraq. Over the past eight years, Voices in the Wilderness has organized more than 72 delegations to Iraq made up of teachers, veterans, social workers, artists, health care professionals, trades people and people of faith. Many of these delegates carried symbolic amounts of medicine as an act of civil disobedience against the injustice of the economic sanctions; they then returned to the United States to tell about the brutalizing effects of the sanctions, magnified by the US bombing of the Iraqi civilian infrastructure during last 13 years. Voices in the Wilderness will nonviolently resist all payments, fines, taxes, and laws that perpetuate war and restrict our rights. We will continue to send medicine and relief to Iraq, as a still devastated infrastructure denies the basic human rights of Iraqis, an infrastructure the US systematically destroyed through sanctions, bombing, and occupation.


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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 05:31 PM
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37. You're comparing $20k to $31b?
This is all well and good, but symbolic gestures were hardly helping the Iraqi people by any stretch.
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400Years Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 05:44 PM
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40. You asked my why they did the Oil for Food thing at all
don't lose track of the conversation.

If they really wanted to do something they should have said the war was a mistake and let Iraq be.

And never sell another weapon again.

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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 05:49 PM
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42. And you responded with a clip about a half-assed symbolic gesture
that meant absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of feeding the Iraqi people. $20k of food wouldn't feed my town for a day, let alone a whole nation. Again, symbolic gestures make people all warm n' fuzzy, but they're useless in the real world.

And I'm supposed to be off-topic?

How was the war a mistake? Did Iraq invade a neighboring nation, or not?

I'm all for the US never selling another weapon again.
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400Years Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 05:51 PM
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44. read post 28

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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 05:58 PM
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49. read post 37
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400Years Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 06:19 PM
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59. I responded with an example of public outrage

you asked why they did it at all.

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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 06:23 PM
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61. Oil-for-food predates this, by a long shot. Try again. n/t
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400Years Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 12:32 PM
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67. not the outrage over the deaths, this was a response to that
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 04:39 PM
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6. She retracted that statement
And apologized for it profusely, said that as it was coming out of her mouth that she knew it was coming out all wrong and not what she meant to be saying. Called it one of the worst, if not the worst, blunder of her entire life. In addition, Oil-For-Food was implemented in Dec 1996, in direct response to the harm caused by the sanctions. As with so much else, this isn't being presented honestly or fairly. And if Clinton had done nothing and Saddam had murdered hoards of people, Clinton would be bashed for that too, see Rwanda. When the left provides viable solutions and takes responsibility for the consequences of their proposals, then maybe more Americans can take them seriously.
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ZapaPaine Donating Member (139 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 04:40 PM
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7. The Killing Fields -- Ghosts of the Walking Dead

Scathing article about America's use of Depleted Uranium in Iraq and how it will lead to hundreds of thousands of deaths of Iraqis and American soldiers. Covers a lot of bases about the Middle East and about Iraq, including the devastating sanctions of the 1990's. Very good read, as usual per Mr. Valenzuela. He includes the exact quote by Albright at the beginning of the article, in my view to make the point that the entire 15 year hell for Iraqis was worth the price to America's government, both Clinton's and Bush's.

The Killing Fields: Ghosts of the Walking Dead

-- snip --

Meanwhile, all around Iraq and its cities a clandestine yet deadly killer lurks, invisible and unseen, devastating in its capacity to destroy human DNA, a silent death sentence that has and will befall hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions of unsuspecting human beings, both Iraqi and American. This killer festers in the air, water, food supply, vegetation and ground, infiltrating the porous bodies of human beings, cementing itself for life. It lingers on streets and rivers and buildings and homes, carried by wind and rain and through the daily weather patterns of Mesopotamia.

Slowly a land once fertile, an oasis between ancient rivers, the cradle of civilization is being contaminated by the ultimate weapon of mass destruction, poisoned, since 1991, by radiation equivalent to between 250,000 and 400,000 Nagasaki bombs. Thanks to the thousands of tons of ordnance, munitions, missiles and bombs dropped during the Gulf War, and the tens of thousands of tons of ordnance, missiles and bombs dropped by America during the Iraq/Bush War, all saturated with depleted uranium (DU), the nation of Iraq is being destroyed from within by an invisible demon sent from the home of the brave and the land of the free. Many of its citizens are dead Iraqis walking, becoming ghosts of walking dead, unaware of the poison inside their bodies and the death that most certainly awaits them.

Depleted uranium is a silent mass murderer, a clandestine nuclear bomb whose mushroom cloud is never seen exploding, yet the radiation and heavy metals excreted from the weapons it envelopes when they strike their target, the heat evaporating uranium particulates into the air, become airborne contagions that latch onto our carbon and organic bodies. It attacks our organs and our bones, our nerves and blood, mutating our DNA genetic sequence, destroying our immune systems, penetrating our reproductive systems and causing various terminal cancers. It is the ultimate weapon of genocidal intentions, a perfect weapon if one wishes to slowly make putrid the human body, embedding itself into our DNA, guaranteeing that it passes onto the next generation of human being, usually resulting in macabre and grisly consequences.

Today in Iraq, thanks to the Gulf War, cancers have skyrocketed beyond the pale of comparison, leaving doctors dumbfounded how so many clusters of Iraqis with various cancers can exist when so few existed before. Today the natural rate of deterioration of the body once DU enters it is over, resulting in an exponential and ominous increase in fatalities, most by cancer, disease and immune system chaos. Depleted uranium used fifteen years ago is now being felt where American ordnance was dropped from the sky above, as lands, food supply, water and air once contaminated, inhaled and ingested release the WMD lingering in their midst.

Read the article in its entirety: http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_manuel_v_060126_the_killing_fields.htm
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 04:48 PM
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10. Albright's regret over her comment...
I think it's useful to post as much information as paossible...this is from her book


"I must have been crazy; I should have answered the question by reframing it and pointing out the inherent flaws in the premise behind it. Saddam Hussein could have prevented any child from suffering simply by meeting his obligations.... As soon as I had spoken, I wished for the power to freeze time and take back those words. My reply had been a terrible mistake, hasty, clumsy and wrong. Nothing matters more than the lives of innocent people. I had fallen into the trap and said something I simply did not mean. That was no one’s fault but my own. "(p. 275)



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400Years Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 04:51 PM
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12. that's a CYA move tantamount to saying

Well we knew the kids were locked in that cage with a man eating tiger but the tiger didn't have to eat them. It's really all the tigers fault that the children were eaten.

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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 04:59 PM
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14. That is just false...
Saddam Hussein was a legitimate threat, and sanctions were the only viable mechanism available to remove that threat. Clinton used what means were available to him given the constraints he was working under.

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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 05:03 PM
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18. A legitimate threat to whom?
Not the United States.

Or are you talking about Israel? I'm not sure that Iraq was even that much of a threat to them.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 05:08 PM
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22. During this period...
Iraq was pursuing nuclear technology, indeed Israel thought it serious enough to bomb an Iraqi nuclear facility. They had invaded one country, and left uncontained could easily have disrupted oil supplies.

What would you have suggested, lifting sanctions to allow them the supplies they needed to re-arm?

They were finally disarmed completely by 1996, over their obstructions and obfuscation, without which the sanctions could have been ended.
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400Years Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 05:11 PM
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26. They never had much as in arms to begin with except the ones
that we sold them to bomb Iran.

Iraq's army was basically obliterated after '92.

Again this isn't a black and white dem vs. rep. thing.

This whole episode is just a continuation of the policies of the U.S. foreign policy establishment.

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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 05:19 PM
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30. Much of that is true...
But to allow Saddam to re-arm simply was not an option. And there is little doubt he would have attempted it. And up to the time sanctions were imposed there is little dispute he was pursuing nuclear technology. I agree sanctions could have been administered better, and indeed in the North where the UN was running the oil for food program, mortality rates dropped below the norm. Saddam was given the tools he needed to stop the impact the sanctions were having on children, and he chose not to use them. The option of course was to remove Saddam from the equation...however a war, or even assasination of Saddam was simply not an option.

I agree with you that it is not a black white issue. But it boils down to the political and diplomatic realities confronting Bill Clinton at the time. I believe he took the only viable steps available.

We have seen this in Presidents past. Lincoln is criticized for not freeing the slaves immedietely, and for suspending Habeus. FDR is criticized for ignoring concentration camps. Truman for dropping the bomb. Presidents don't act in a vacum, they have to look at a situation, look at the constraints under which they govern, and make the best decisions possible.
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400Years Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 05:23 PM
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32. that's fine you think the starvation was "the best decisions possible"
I don't.

In fact I beleive Albright and Clinton were just following the wishes of the U.S. foreign policy establishment, the folks at the CFR and the NSC.

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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 05:28 PM
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34. Why don't you reply with your solution...
You have ruled out war, ruled out sanctions. What method would you have used to make sure Saddam did not re-arm himself.

Starvation was not the policy, and the U.N. provided more than adequate resources for that not to occur. Saddam Hussein chose not to feed his people. He is to blame for their condition.
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400Years Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 05:47 PM
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41. I just posted that but I'll post it again

They should have just announced that the first war was based on a fraud, prosecuted bush senior and his administration, withdrawn from Iraq and paid reparations to the Iraqi people and the Kurds in the form of food and medicine and stopped meddling in the affiars of other countries and also pushed through a UN mandate that no other country is allowed to sell weapons to Iraq or Iran.

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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 05:56 PM
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47. You can keep repeating this as long as you want, but
At the end of the day, Saddam decided his own people's fate.

The first war was based on Iraq's invasion of Kuwait. Nothing fraudulent about that.

We did withdraw from Iraq. We never occupied Iraq. We established no-fly zones in the north and south to protect the Kurds in the north and the thinly-defended Saudi border.

Why would we pay reparations to Iraq for a war that Iraq started? How about the Kuwaitis? How about the Israelis? What reparations did Germany and Japan get, after WW2?
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400Years Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 06:12 PM
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55. Kuwait was being used to wage a proxy economic war by the U.S.

U.S. Conspiracy to Initiate the War Against Iraq

Brian Becker
Even before the first day of the Persian Gulf crisis George Bush and the Pentagon wanted to wage war against Iraq.

What was the character of this war? Iraq neither attacked nor threatened the United States. We believe that this was a war to redivide and redistribute the fabulous markets and resources of the Middle East, in other words this was an imperialist war. The Bush administration, on behalf of the giant oil corporations and banks, sought to strengthen its domination of this strategic region. It did this in league with the former colonial powers of the region, namely Britain and France, and in opposition to the Iraqi people's claim on their own land and especially their natural resources.

As is customary in such wars, the government is compelled to mask the truth about the war - both its origin and goals and the nature of the "enemy" - in order to win over the people of this country. That's why it is important to get the facts. There is ample evidence that the U.S. was eagerly planning to fight the war even before the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait on August 2, 1990. With its plans in tact, we must detemmine if it is possible that the U.S. government actually sought a pretext for a military intervention in the Middle East.

Information that has come to light suggests that the United States interfered in and aggravated the Iraq-Kuwait dispute, knew that an Iraqi military response against Kuwait was likely, and then took advantage of the Iraqi move to carry out a long-planned U.S. military intervention in the Middle East. This evidence includes:

1. The tiny, but oil-rich sheikdom of Kuwait became the tool of a U.S.inspired campaign of economic warfare designed to weaken Iraq as a regional power once the Iran-Iraq war ended. During 1989-1990, the Kuwaiti monarchy was overproducing and driving down the price of oil, a policy that cost Iraq $14 billion in lost revenue.<1> Iraq also complained that the Kuwaitis were stealing Iraqi oil by using slant drilling technology into the gigantic Rumaila oil field, most of which is inside Iraq. Kuwait also refused to work out arrangements that would allow Iraq access to the Persian Gulf. In May of 1990 at an Arab League meeting, Saddam Hussein bitterly complained about Kuwait's policy of "economic warfare" against Iraq and hinted that if Kuwait's over-production didn't change Iraq would take military action. Yet the Emir of Kuwait refused to budge. Why would an OPEC country want to drive down the price of oil? In retrospect, it is inconceivable that this tiny, undemocratic little sheikdom, whose ruling family is subject to so much hostility from the Arab masses, would have dared to remain so defiant against Iraq (a country ten times larger than Kuwait) unless Kuwait was assured in advance of protection from an even greater power - namely the United States. This is even more likely when one considers that the Kuwaiti ruling family had in the past tread lightly when it came to its relations with Iraq. Kuwait was traditionally part of Iraq's Basra Province until 1899 when Britain divided it from Iraq and declared Kuwait its colony.
Coinciding with Kuwait's overproduction of oil, Iraq was also subjected to the beginning of de facto sanctions, instituted incrementally by a number of western capitalist governments. Hundreds of major scientific, engineering, and food supply contracts between Iraq and western governments were canceled by 1990.<2>
2. The U.S. policy to increase economic pressure on Iraq was coupled with a dramatic change in U.S. military doctrine and strategy toward Iraq. Starting in the summer of 1989, the Joint Chiefs of Staff revamped U.S. military doctrine in the Middle East away from a U.S.-Soviet conflict to target regional powers instead. By June 1990 - two months before the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait - General Norman Schwarzkopf was conducting sophisticated war games pitting hundreds of thousands of U.S. troops against Iraqi armored divisions.<3>
3. The Bush administration lied when it stated on August 8, 1990, that the purpose of the U.S. troop deployment was "strictly defensive" and necessary to protect Saudi Arabia from an imminent Iraqi invasion. King Hussein of Jordan reports that U.S. troops were actually being deployed to Saudi Arabia in the days before Saudi Arabia "invited" U.S. intervention.<4> Hussein says that in the first days of the crisis Saudi King Fahd expressed Support for an Arab diplomatic solution. King Fahd also told King Hussein that there was no evidence of a hostile Iraqi build-up on the Saudi border, and that despite American assertions, there was no truth to reports that Iraq planned to invade Saudi Arabia.<5> The Saudis only bowed to U.S. demands that the Saudis "invite" U.S. troops to defend them following a long meeting between the king and Secretary of Defense Richard Cheney. The real substance of this discussion will probably remain classified for many, many years.

On September 11, 1990, Bush also told a joint session of Congress that "following negotiations and promises by Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein not to use force, a powerful army invaded its trusting and much weaker neighbor, Kuwait. Within three days, 120,000 troops with 850 tanks had poured into Kuwait and moved south to threaten Saudi Arabia. It was then I decided to act to check that aggression." However, according to Jean Heller of the St. Petersburg Times (of Florida), the facts just weren't as Bush claimed. Satellite photographs taken by the Soviet Union on the precise day Bush addressed Congress failed to show any evidence of Iraqi troops in Kuwait or massing along the Kuwait-Saudi Arabian border. While the Pentagon was claiming as many as 250,000 Iraqi troops in Kuwait, it refused to provide evidence that would contradict the Soviet satellite photos. U.S. forces, encampments, aircraft, camouflaged equipment dumps, staging areas and tracks across the desert can easily be seen. But as Peter Zimmerman, formerly of the U.S. Arms Control and Disarmament Agency in the Reagan Administration, and a former image specialist for the Defense Intelligence Agency, who analyzed the photographs for the St. Petersburg Times said:

We didn't find anything of that sort anywhere in Kuwait. We don't see any tent cities, we don't see congregations of tanks, we can't see troop concentrations, and the main Kuwaiti air base appears deserted. It's five weeks after the invasion, and from what we can see, the Iraqi air force hasn't flown a single fighter to the most strategic air base in Kuwait. There is no infrastructure to support large numbers of people. They have to use toilets, or the functional equivalent. They have to have food.... But where is it?

On September 18, 1991, only a week after the Soviet photos were taken, the Pentagon was telling the American public that Iraqi forces in Kuwait had grown to 360,000 men and 2,800 tanks. But the photos of Kuwait do not show any tank tracks in southern Kuwait. They clearly do show tracks left by vehicles which serviced a large oil field, but no tank tracks. Heller concludes that as of January 6, 1991, the Pentagon had not provided the press or Congress with any proof at all for an early buildup of Iraqi troops in southern Kuwait that would suggest an imminent invasion of Saudi Arabia. The usual Pentagon evidence was little more than "trust me." But photos from Soviet commercial satellites tell quite a convincing story. Photos taken on August 8, 1990, of southern Kuwait - six days after the initial invasion and right at the moment Bush was telling the world of an impending invasion of Saudi Arabia - show light sand drifts over patches of roads leading from Kuwait City to the Saudi border. The photos taken on September 11, 1990, show exactly the same sand drifts but now larger and deeper, suggesting that they had built up naturally without the disturbance of traffic for a month. Roads in northern Saudi Arabia during this same period, in contrast, show no sand drifts at all, having been swept clean by heavy traffic of supply convoys. The former DIA analyst puts it this way: "In many places the sand goes on for 30 meters and more." Zirnmerman's analysis is that "They could be passable by tank but not by personnel or supply vehicles. Yet there is no sign that tanks have used those roads. And there's no evidence of new roads being cut. By contrast, none of the roads in Saudi Arabia has any sand cover at all. They've all been swept clear."<6>

It would have taken no more than a few thousand soldiers to hold Kuwait City, and that is all satellite evidence can support. The implication is obvious: Iraqi troops who were eventually deployed along the Kuwait-Saudi Arabian border were sent there as a response to U.S. build up and were not a provocation for Bush's military action. Moreover, the manner in which they were finally deployed was purely defensive - a sort of Maginot Line against the massive and offensive mobilization of U.S. and Coalition forces just over the border with Saudi Arabia.
A War to Destroy Iraq as a Regional Power
That the Bush administration wanted the war is obvious by its steadfast refusal to enter into any genuine negotiations with Iraq that could have achieved a diplomatic solution. Iraq's August 12, 1990, negotiation proposal, which indicated that Iraq was willing to make significant concessions in return for a comprehensive discussion of other unresolved Middle East conflicts, was rejected out of hand by the Bush administration. So was another Iraqi offer made in December that was reported by Knut Royce in Newsday.

President Bush avoided diplomacy and negotiations, even refusing to send Secretary of State Baker to meet Saddam Hussein before the January 15, 1991 deadline as he had promised on November 30, 1990. Bush also rejected Iraq's withdrawal offer of February 15, 1991, two days aver U.S. planes incinerated hundreds of women and children sleeping in the al-Arneriyah bomb shelter. The Iraqis immediately agreed to the Soviet proposal of February 18, 1991 - that is four days before the so-called ground war was launched - which required Iraq to abide by all UN resolutions.

The U.S. ground war against Iraqi positions resulted in the greatest number of casualties in the conflict. As many as 50,000 to 100,000 Iraqi soldiers may have died after the Iraqi government had fully capitulated to all U.S. and UN demands. It is thus obvious that the U.S. government did not fight the war to secure Iraq's eviction from Kuwait but rather proceeded with this unparalleled massacre for other foreign policy objectives. These objectives have never been defined for the broader public but only referred to euphemistically under the rubric of the New World Order.

What is the New World Order, what does the U.S. expect to get out of it and what is the "new thing" in the world that makes a new order possible? It is Bush's assumption that the Soviet Union is willing, under the Gorbachev leadership, to support U.S. foreign policy in the Third World. The U.S. figures that if the Soviets are willing to abandon Iraq and their other traditional allies in the Third World then the U.S. and other western at capitalist countries can return to their former dominant position in various areas of the world. How the U.S. conducted the war shows that the permanent weakening of Iraq is a key part in the New World Order.<8>

Although the Soviet role has changed dramatically, the goals of U.S. imperialism in the Middle East have remained basically the same, with some shifts in tactics based on varied conditions. The basic premise of U.S. policy has been to eliminate or severely weaken any nationalist regime that challenges U.S. dominance and control over the oil-rich region. The military strategy employed against Iraq not only aimed at military targets, but the "bombing raids have destroyed residential areas, refineries, and power and water facilities, which will affect the population for years."<9> As early as September 1990, the administration, according to a speech by Secretary of State James Baker, changed the strategic goals of the U.S. military intervention to include not only the "liberation of Kuwait" but the destruction of Iraq's military infrastructure.<10>
Iran-lraq War and U.S. Strategy
That the U.S. sought to permanently weaken or crush Iraq, as a regional power capable of asserting even a nominal challenge to U.S. dominance over this strategic oil-rich region, fits in with a longer historical pattern. Since the discovery of vast oil deposits in the Middle East, and even earlier, the strategy of the U.S. and other European colonial powers was to prevent the emergence of any strong nationalist regime in the region. The U.S. has relied on corrupted and despised hereditary monarchies and dictatorships in the Middle East. Such regimes have served as puppets for U.S. interests in exchange for U.S. protection. When the Shah of Iran was overthrown in 1979 by a massive popular revolution, it came as a complete shock to U.S. oil companies, the CIA, and the Pentagon, which used the hated Shah as a pro-U.S. policeman of the Gulf region.

The Iran-Iraq war was seen as a new opportunity to recoup U.S. losses from the Iranian revolution. Starting in 1982 the U.S. encouraged and provided arms and satellite information to the Iraqi government in its fight against Iran - the Reagan/Bush administration's principal goal was to weaken and contain Iran in order to limit its regional influence. The Iran-Iraq war did indeed weaken Iran, squandering much of the human and material resources of the revolution.

Having weakened Iran, the goal was then to weaken Iraq and make sure that it could not develop as a regional power capable of challenging U.S. domination. After the war ended, U.S. policy toward Iraq shifted, becoming increasingly hostile. The way U.S. policy shifted is quite revealing; it bears all the signs of a well-planned conspiracy. The cease-fire between Iran and Iraq officially began on August 20, 1988. On September 8, 1988, Iraqi Foreign Minister Sa'dun Hammadi was to meet with U.S. Secretary of State George Schulz. The Iraqis had every reason to expect a warm welcome in Washington and to begin an era of closer cooperation on trade and industrial development. Instead, at 12:30 p.m., just two hours before the meeting and with no warning to Hammadi whatsoever, State Department spokesman Charles Redman called a press conference and charged that "The U.S. Government is convinced that Iraq has used chemical weapons in its military campaign against Kurdish guerillas. We don't know the extent to which chemical weapons have been used but any use in this context is abhorrent and unjustifiable.... We expressed our strong concern to the Iraqi Government which is well aware of our position that the use of chemical weapons is totally unjustifiable and unacceptable.''<11>

Redman did not allude to any evidence at all nor was the Iraqi government warned of the charges by the State Department. Rather, when Hammadi arrived at the State Department two hours later for his meeting with Schulz, he was besieged by members of the press asking him questions about the massacre. Hammadi was completely unable to give coherent answers. He kept asking the reporters why they were asking him about this. Needless to say the meeting with Schulz was a dismal failure for Iraq's expectations of U.S. assistance in rebuilding after the Iran-Iraq war. Within twenty-four hours of Redman's press release, the Senate voted unanimously to impose economic sanctions on Iraq which would cancel sales of food and technology. Following September 8, 1988 is a two year record that amounts to economic harassment of Iraq by the American State Department, press, and Congress. Saddam Hussein alluded to this period many times during the lead-up to the war and the war itself. On February 15, 1991, in the preamble to his cease-fire proposal, he said "The years 1988 and 1989 saw sustained campaigns in the press and other media and by other officials in the United States and other imperialist nations to pave the way for the fulfillment of vicious aims .<12> The Washington Post's story on the cease-fire proposal of February 15, 1991 was titled simply: 'Baghdad's Conspiracy Theory of Recent History." Some conspiracies theories just happen to be true!

The Bush administration has never presented any evidence whatsoever for its charges that Iraq used poison gas on its own citizens. Rather it has simply repeated the charges over and over in the press. This event is analyzed in considerable detail in a study published by the Army War College called, Iraqi Power and U.S. Security in the Middle East. The authors of that study conclude that the charges were false but used by the U.S. government to change public opinion toward Iraq. They even go so far as to suggest a conspiracy against Iraq: "The whole episode of seeking to impose sanctions on Iraq for something that it may not have done would be regrettable but not of great concern were this an isolated event. Unfortunately, there are other areas of friction developing between our two countries.''

If the first part of the strategy was to create hostility and economic hardships, then the war was the second phase. The massive bombardment of Iraq coupled with the continued economic sanctions after the war completes a two-part strategy designed to leave Iraq both in a weakened state and dependent on western aid and bank loans for any reconstruction effort. The U.S. will want to have a puppet government in Baghdad, and even if it is impossible to impose a Shah-type government on the Iraqi people, the Bush administration assumes that a war-ravaged country that is economically dependent on the U.S. and European capitalist powers or on UN humanitarian aid will be forced into a subservient position.
The New World Order and Big Oil
We believe that the real goal of the United States war against Iraq is to return to the "good old days" when the U.S. and some European countries totally plundered the resources of the Middle East. Five of the twelve largest corporations in the United States are oil monopolies. Before the rise of Arab nationalism and the anti-feudal revolutions that swept out colonialist regimes in Iraq and other Middle Eastem countries in the 1950s and 1960s, U.S., British, and Dutch oil companies owned Arab and Iranian oil fields outright. Between 1948 and 1960 U.S. oil companies received $13 billion in profit from their Persian Gulf holdings. That was half the return on all overseas investment by all U.S. companies in those years.

In recent decades U.S. companies no longer directly own the oil fields of the Middle East, but they still get rich from them. That is because the royal families of the oil-rich Arabian peninsula, who were put on their thrones by the British empire and are kept there by the U.S. military and the CIA, have loyally turned their kingdoms into cash cows for Wall Street banks and corporations.

This is one way it works. Money spent on Saudi Arabian oil, for example, once went into the accounts of Rockefeller-controlled oil corporations at the Rockefeller-controlled Chase Manhattan Bank. Now it is deposited in the Saudi king's huge account at Chase Manhattan which reinvests it at a hefty profit to the Rockefellers. Chase Manhattan also manages the Saudi Industrial Development Fund and the Saudi Investment Bank. Morgan Guaranty Trust Company, which is linked to Mobil and Texaco, has a representative on the Board of the Saudi Monetary Authority and controls another big chunk of the kingdom's income. Citicorp handles much of the Emir of Kuwait's $120 billion investment portfolio. The total amount that the Gulf's feudal lords have put at the disposal of the western bankers is conservatively estimated at $1 trillion. It is probably much more.

While the big oil companies have a going partnership with the feudal rulers of Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, etc., they are relatively locked out of Iraq, Iran, Libya, Yemen, and Algeria. The goal of the U.S. war is to roll back the Arab revolution and all the other revolutionary movements that have swept the region since World War II.

The New World Order that Bush has in mind is, in fact, not so new. It is an attempt to turn the clock back to the pre-World War II era of unchallenged colonial domination and plunder of the land, labor, and resources of Africa, Asia, Latin America, and the Middle East by a handful of industrialized capitalist countries. Unlike the old world order of outright colonialism, the new world order will be imposed by Stealth aircraft, guided missiles, smart bombs, and tactical nuclear weapons - not l9th-century gunboats. This is based on grand geopolitical strategy that flows like water from Pentagon-sponsored think tanks in Washington. It leaves out the most important factor in the equation of the Middle East - the broad mass of the people whose hatred for foreign domination and capacity to struggle remains as powerful as ever.

The U.S. and its imperialist allies have won a temporary victory in the Middle East. But their policy of military domination to stop the natural progression of history - for people to liberate themselves from the yoke of colonialism - cannot succeed.
Notes

1. New York Times, September 3, 1990.
2. Stated to Brian Becker and other members of the Muhammad Ali Peace Delegation on November 30, 1990 by Iraqi Deputy Prime Minister Ramadan.
3. Newsweek, January 28, 1990; for more information on the revamping of Pentagon strategy in early 1990 see Michael T. Klare, "Policing the Gulf - And the World," The Nation, October 15, 1990.
4. New York Times, October 16, 1990.
5. New York Times, October 16, 1990.
6. Jean Heller, "Public Doesn't Get Picture with Gulf Satellite Photos," St Petersburg Times, January 6, 1991. Rpt. In These Times, February 27-March 19, 1991: 7.
7. Newsday, August 20, 1991.
8. See James Ridgeway, "Third World Wars: Iraq is a Model for Post-Cold War Colonies," Village Voice, January 29, 1991.
9. Newsday, February 4, 1991Ñour emphasis.
10. Speech by Secretary of State James Baker, New York Times, September 4, 1990.
11. American Foreign Policy: Current Documents {Washington, DC: Department of State, 1991X, p. 260.
12. New York Times, February 16, 1991: A5.
13. Don Oberdorfer, Washington Post, February 16, 1991.
14. Stephen C. Pelletiere, et al. Iraqi Power and U.S. Security in the Middle East (Carlisle, PA: Strategic Studies Institute, U.S. Army War College, 1990), p. 53.
15. Liberation and Marxism, #7 11990).

Brian Becker was a member of the Muhammad Ali Peace Delegation which travelled to Iraq in late November 1990 in an effort to prevent the war. This report was presented at the New York Commission hearing on May 11, 1991.
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 06:22 PM
Response to Reply #55
60. This is little more than an op-ed piece, with footnotes...
His conclusions and predictions are wrong, time and time again. I wouldn't hold this up as proof of anything.

I'm sure the author believes this sincerely, but that doesn't make this fact.
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400Years Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 12:34 PM
Response to Reply #60
68. what are you whining about, attacking messenger instead of facts
You are a little naive.

But I guess it's all just an effort to keep that black and white vision of the world in tact for you.
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 01:13 PM
Response to Reply #68
71. Not attacking the messenger, the message is flawed.
This debate with you is really not worth the time.
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400Years Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 03:06 PM
Response to Reply #71
75. You simply deny any cupability by Clinton and Albright I don't

I don't care what you think but Saddam was really nothing but a stooge and a two bit actor in this whole situation.



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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 05:30 PM
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35. FALSE. Iraq had the fourth largest army in the world before Gulf I
Very well equipped, by France, Russia....and the United States.

The Republican Guard alone numbered at least around 100k, even after Gulf 1 when they escaped largely intact. They were using T-72s, the most advanced tank in the region. Hardly obliterated, and certainly a force to be reckoned with if you happened to live next door.

It's been conjectured that the Republican Guard was purposely left alone in the north, to avoid totally destabilizing Iraq's defenses.
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400Years Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 05:50 PM
Response to Reply #35
43. I've heard this but look how they folded like a wet paper bag
way overblown for the purposes of manufacturing consent

Again the U.S. state department was trying to provoke a war.

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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 06:02 PM
Response to Reply #43
51. They were bombed day-and-night for over a month
With over a thousand air raids a day. See how long YOU hold up under that.

Manufacturing consent? With all apologies to Noam, war has nothing to do with manufacturing consent.

Provide proof that the State Dept. was trying to provoke a war, beyond what some ambassador may or may not have said, depending on who reads the transcripts.
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400Years Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 03:15 PM
Response to Reply #51
76. You are in denial
On September 18, 1990, the Iraqi Foreign Ministry published verbatim the transcripts of meetings between Saddam Hussein and high level U.S. officials. Knight-Ridder columnist James McCartney acknowledged that the transcripts were not disputed by the U.S. State Department. U.S. Ambassador April Glaspie informed Hussein that, "We have no opinion on...conflicts like your border disagreement with Kuwait." She reiterated this position several times, and added, "Secretary of State James Baker has directed our official spokesman to emphasize this instruction." A week before Iraq's invasion of Kuwait, Baker's spokesperson, Margaret Tutwiler and Assistant Secretary of State John Kelly both stated publicly that "the United States was not obligated to come to Kuwait's aid if it were attacked." (Santa Barbara News-Press September 24, 1990)

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400Years Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 05:09 PM
Response to Reply #14
23. legitimate threat my ass

You do understand how this whole affair got started don't you?

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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 05:11 PM
Response to Reply #23
24. Iraq's attack on Kuwait resulted in the initial sanctions...
UN Resolution 661 I believe...following the war, further sanctions were imposed to force them to disarm.

However, if you want to review the entire history of Iraq, certainly the US is to blame for arming Iraq in the first place...not somethng you can lay at the feet of Bill Clinton.
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 05:13 PM
Response to Reply #23
27. Invasion of Kuwait? n/t
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400Years Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 05:17 PM
Response to Reply #27
29. I'll respond to both of you at once
The whole dispute started because Kuwait was slant-drilling. Using equipment bought from National Security Council chief Brent Scowcroft's old company, Kuwait was pumping out some $14-billion worth of oil from underneath Iraqi territory. Even the territory they were drilling from had originally been Iraq's. Slant-drilling is enough to get you shot in Texas, and it's certainly enough to start a war in the Mideast.
Even so, this dispute could have been negotiated. But it's hard to avoid a war when what you're actually doing is trying to provoke a war.
The most famous example of that is the meeting between Saddam and the US Ambassador to Iraq, April Glaspie, five days before Iraq invaded Kuwait. As CIA satellite photos showed an Iraqi invasion force massing on the Kuwaiti border, Glaspie told Hussein that "the US takes no position" on Iraq's dispute with Kuwait.

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/CIA%20Hits/Iraq_CIAHits.html

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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 05:37 PM
Response to Reply #29
38. One ambassador does not a policy make...
Try and be a little more objective. Anyone can read anything they want into her statements.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_Glaspie

Glaspie had her first meeting with Iraqi President Saddam Hussein and his Deputy Prime Minister Tariq Aziz on July 25, 1990. What was said at that meeting has been the subject of much speculation. At least two transcripts of the meeting have been published. The State Department has not confirmed the accuracy of these transcripts.

snip

When these purported transcripts were made public, Glaspie was accused of having given approval for the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, which took place on August 2, 1990. The transcript, however, does not show any explicit statement of approval of, acceptance of, or foreknowledge of the invasion. Indeed Glaspie's opening question ("Why are your troops massed so very close to Kuwait's borders?") would suggest that Glaspie (and presumably therefore also the State Department) were unsure of the purpose of the troop concentrations and was concerned about them.

snip

Many have argued that Glaspie's statements that "We have no opinion on your Arab - Arab conflicts" and that "the Kuwait issue is not associated with America" were interpreted by Saddam as giving tacit acquiescence to his annexation of Kuwait, while others say that nothing Glaspie says in the published versions of the transcript can be fairly interpreted as implying U.S. approval of an Iraqi invasion of Kuwait.
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400Years Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 05:56 PM
Response to Reply #38
46. Splitting hairs rather than looking at the overall picture

The Clinton years were just a continuation of a bigger agenda.

You have got to understand that there is a stable and long standing establishment that focuses on U.S. foreign policy that is independent of revovling administrations.

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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 06:04 PM
Response to Reply #46
52. You choose to read your beliefs into her statement
Which may or not have been said.

You're weaving quite a web out of pretty thin threads.

I'd make an effort to understand if you'd make an effort to explain it. So far you only insist that "it" exists. What is it?
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400Years Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 06:13 PM
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56. Here
U.S. Conspiracy to Initiate the War Against Iraq

Brian Becker
Even before the first day of the Persian Gulf crisis George Bush and the Pentagon wanted to wage war against Iraq.

What was the character of this war? Iraq neither attacked nor threatened the United States. We believe that this was a war to redivide and redistribute the fabulous markets and resources of the Middle East, in other words this was an imperialist war. The Bush administration, on behalf of the giant oil corporations and banks, sought to strengthen its domination of this strategic region. It did this in league with the former colonial powers of the region, namely Britain and France, and in opposition to the Iraqi people's claim on their own land and especially their natural resources.

As is customary in such wars, the government is compelled to mask the truth about the war - both its origin and goals and the nature of the "enemy" - in order to win over the people of this country. That's why it is important to get the facts. There is ample evidence that the U.S. was eagerly planning to fight the war even before the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait on August 2, 1990. With its plans in tact, we must detemmine if it is possible that the U.S. government actually sought a pretext for a military intervention in the Middle East.

Information that has come to light suggests that the United States interfered in and aggravated the Iraq-Kuwait dispute, knew that an Iraqi military response against Kuwait was likely, and then took advantage of the Iraqi move to carry out a long-planned U.S. military intervention in the Middle East. This evidence includes:

1. The tiny, but oil-rich sheikdom of Kuwait became the tool of a U.S.inspired campaign of economic warfare designed to weaken Iraq as a regional power once the Iran-Iraq war ended. During 1989-1990, the Kuwaiti monarchy was overproducing and driving down the price of oil, a policy that cost Iraq $14 billion in lost revenue.<1> Iraq also complained that the Kuwaitis were stealing Iraqi oil by using slant drilling technology into the gigantic Rumaila oil field, most of which is inside Iraq. Kuwait also refused to work out arrangements that would allow Iraq access to the Persian Gulf. In May of 1990 at an Arab League meeting, Saddam Hussein bitterly complained about Kuwait's policy of "economic warfare" against Iraq and hinted that if Kuwait's over-production didn't change Iraq would take military action. Yet the Emir of Kuwait refused to budge. Why would an OPEC country want to drive down the price of oil? In retrospect, it is inconceivable that this tiny, undemocratic little sheikdom, whose ruling family is subject to so much hostility from the Arab masses, would have dared to remain so defiant against Iraq (a country ten times larger than Kuwait) unless Kuwait was assured in advance of protection from an even greater power - namely the United States. This is even more likely when one considers that the Kuwaiti ruling family had in the past tread lightly when it came to its relations with Iraq. Kuwait was traditionally part of Iraq's Basra Province until 1899 when Britain divided it from Iraq and declared Kuwait its colony.
Coinciding with Kuwait's overproduction of oil, Iraq was also subjected to the beginning of de facto sanctions, instituted incrementally by a number of western capitalist governments. Hundreds of major scientific, engineering, and food supply contracts between Iraq and western governments were canceled by 1990.<2>
2. The U.S. policy to increase economic pressure on Iraq was coupled with a dramatic change in U.S. military doctrine and strategy toward Iraq. Starting in the summer of 1989, the Joint Chiefs of Staff revamped U.S. military doctrine in the Middle East away from a U.S.-Soviet conflict to target regional powers instead. By June 1990 - two months before the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait - General Norman Schwarzkopf was conducting sophisticated war games pitting hundreds of thousands of U.S. troops against Iraqi armored divisions.<3>
3. The Bush administration lied when it stated on August 8, 1990, that the purpose of the U.S. troop deployment was "strictly defensive" and necessary to protect Saudi Arabia from an imminent Iraqi invasion. King Hussein of Jordan reports that U.S. troops were actually being deployed to Saudi Arabia in the days before Saudi Arabia "invited" U.S. intervention.<4> Hussein says that in the first days of the crisis Saudi King Fahd expressed Support for an Arab diplomatic solution. King Fahd also told King Hussein that there was no evidence of a hostile Iraqi build-up on the Saudi border, and that despite American assertions, there was no truth to reports that Iraq planned to invade Saudi Arabia.<5> The Saudis only bowed to U.S. demands that the Saudis "invite" U.S. troops to defend them following a long meeting between the king and Secretary of Defense Richard Cheney. The real substance of this discussion will probably remain classified for many, many years.

On September 11, 1990, Bush also told a joint session of Congress that "following negotiations and promises by Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein not to use force, a powerful army invaded its trusting and much weaker neighbor, Kuwait. Within three days, 120,000 troops with 850 tanks had poured into Kuwait and moved south to threaten Saudi Arabia. It was then I decided to act to check that aggression." However, according to Jean Heller of the St. Petersburg Times (of Florida), the facts just weren't as Bush claimed. Satellite photographs taken by the Soviet Union on the precise day Bush addressed Congress failed to show any evidence of Iraqi troops in Kuwait or massing along the Kuwait-Saudi Arabian border. While the Pentagon was claiming as many as 250,000 Iraqi troops in Kuwait, it refused to provide evidence that would contradict the Soviet satellite photos. U.S. forces, encampments, aircraft, camouflaged equipment dumps, staging areas and tracks across the desert can easily be seen. But as Peter Zimmerman, formerly of the U.S. Arms Control and Disarmament Agency in the Reagan Administration, and a former image specialist for the Defense Intelligence Agency, who analyzed the photographs for the St. Petersburg Times said:

We didn't find anything of that sort anywhere in Kuwait. We don't see any tent cities, we don't see congregations of tanks, we can't see troop concentrations, and the main Kuwaiti air base appears deserted. It's five weeks after the invasion, and from what we can see, the Iraqi air force hasn't flown a single fighter to the most strategic air base in Kuwait. There is no infrastructure to support large numbers of people. They have to use toilets, or the functional equivalent. They have to have food.... But where is it?

On September 18, 1991, only a week after the Soviet photos were taken, the Pentagon was telling the American public that Iraqi forces in Kuwait had grown to 360,000 men and 2,800 tanks. But the photos of Kuwait do not show any tank tracks in southern Kuwait. They clearly do show tracks left by vehicles which serviced a large oil field, but no tank tracks. Heller concludes that as of January 6, 1991, the Pentagon had not provided the press or Congress with any proof at all for an early buildup of Iraqi troops in southern Kuwait that would suggest an imminent invasion of Saudi Arabia. The usual Pentagon evidence was little more than "trust me." But photos from Soviet commercial satellites tell quite a convincing story. Photos taken on August 8, 1990, of southern Kuwait - six days after the initial invasion and right at the moment Bush was telling the world of an impending invasion of Saudi Arabia - show light sand drifts over patches of roads leading from Kuwait City to the Saudi border. The photos taken on September 11, 1990, show exactly the same sand drifts but now larger and deeper, suggesting that they had built up naturally without the disturbance of traffic for a month. Roads in northern Saudi Arabia during this same period, in contrast, show no sand drifts at all, having been swept clean by heavy traffic of supply convoys. The former DIA analyst puts it this way: "In many places the sand goes on for 30 meters and more." Zirnmerman's analysis is that "They could be passable by tank but not by personnel or supply vehicles. Yet there is no sign that tanks have used those roads. And there's no evidence of new roads being cut. By contrast, none of the roads in Saudi Arabia has any sand cover at all. They've all been swept clear."<6>

It would have taken no more than a few thousand soldiers to hold Kuwait City, and that is all satellite evidence can support. The implication is obvious: Iraqi troops who were eventually deployed along the Kuwait-Saudi Arabian border were sent there as a response to U.S. build up and were not a provocation for Bush's military action. Moreover, the manner in which they were finally deployed was purely defensive - a sort of Maginot Line against the massive and offensive mobilization of U.S. and Coalition forces just over the border with Saudi Arabia.
A War to Destroy Iraq as a Regional Power
That the Bush administration wanted the war is obvious by its steadfast refusal to enter into any genuine negotiations with Iraq that could have achieved a diplomatic solution. Iraq's August 12, 1990, negotiation proposal, which indicated that Iraq was willing to make significant concessions in return for a comprehensive discussion of other unresolved Middle East conflicts, was rejected out of hand by the Bush administration. So was another Iraqi offer made in December that was reported by Knut Royce in Newsday.

President Bush avoided diplomacy and negotiations, even refusing to send Secretary of State Baker to meet Saddam Hussein before the January 15, 1991 deadline as he had promised on November 30, 1990. Bush also rejected Iraq's withdrawal offer of February 15, 1991, two days aver U.S. planes incinerated hundreds of women and children sleeping in the al-Arneriyah bomb shelter. The Iraqis immediately agreed to the Soviet proposal of February 18, 1991 - that is four days before the so-called ground war was launched - which required Iraq to abide by all UN resolutions.

The U.S. ground war against Iraqi positions resulted in the greatest number of casualties in the conflict. As many as 50,000 to 100,000 Iraqi soldiers may have died after the Iraqi government had fully capitulated to all U.S. and UN demands. It is thus obvious that the U.S. government did not fight the war to secure Iraq's eviction from Kuwait but rather proceeded with this unparalleled massacre for other foreign policy objectives. These objectives have never been defined for the broader public but only referred to euphemistically under the rubric of the New World Order.

What is the New World Order, what does the U.S. expect to get out of it and what is the "new thing" in the world that makes a new order possible? It is Bush's assumption that the Soviet Union is willing, under the Gorbachev leadership, to support U.S. foreign policy in the Third World. The U.S. figures that if the Soviets are willing to abandon Iraq and their other traditional allies in the Third World then the U.S. and other western at capitalist countries can return to their former dominant position in various areas of the world. How the U.S. conducted the war shows that the permanent weakening of Iraq is a key part in the New World Order.<8>

Although the Soviet role has changed dramatically, the goals of U.S. imperialism in the Middle East have remained basically the same, with some shifts in tactics based on varied conditions. The basic premise of U.S. policy has been to eliminate or severely weaken any nationalist regime that challenges U.S. dominance and control over the oil-rich region. The military strategy employed against Iraq not only aimed at military targets, but the "bombing raids have destroyed residential areas, refineries, and power and water facilities, which will affect the population for years."<9> As early as September 1990, the administration, according to a speech by Secretary of State James Baker, changed the strategic goals of the U.S. military intervention to include not only the "liberation of Kuwait" but the destruction of Iraq's military infrastructure.<10>
Iran-lraq War and U.S. Strategy
That the U.S. sought to permanently weaken or crush Iraq, as a regional power capable of asserting even a nominal challenge to U.S. dominance over this strategic oil-rich region, fits in with a longer historical pattern. Since the discovery of vast oil deposits in the Middle East, and even earlier, the strategy of the U.S. and other European colonial powers was to prevent the emergence of any strong nationalist regime in the region. The U.S. has relied on corrupted and despised hereditary monarchies and dictatorships in the Middle East. Such regimes have served as puppets for U.S. interests in exchange for U.S. protection. When the Shah of Iran was overthrown in 1979 by a massive popular revolution, it came as a complete shock to U.S. oil companies, the CIA, and the Pentagon, which used the hated Shah as a pro-U.S. policeman of the Gulf region.

The Iran-Iraq war was seen as a new opportunity to recoup U.S. losses from the Iranian revolution. Starting in 1982 the U.S. encouraged and provided arms and satellite information to the Iraqi government in its fight against Iran - the Reagan/Bush administration's principal goal was to weaken and contain Iran in order to limit its regional influence. The Iran-Iraq war did indeed weaken Iran, squandering much of the human and material resources of the revolution.

Having weakened Iran, the goal was then to weaken Iraq and make sure that it could not develop as a regional power capable of challenging U.S. domination. After the war ended, U.S. policy toward Iraq shifted, becoming increasingly hostile. The way U.S. policy shifted is quite revealing; it bears all the signs of a well-planned conspiracy. The cease-fire between Iran and Iraq officially began on August 20, 1988. On September 8, 1988, Iraqi Foreign Minister Sa'dun Hammadi was to meet with U.S. Secretary of State George Schulz. The Iraqis had every reason to expect a warm welcome in Washington and to begin an era of closer cooperation on trade and industrial development. Instead, at 12:30 p.m., just two hours before the meeting and with no warning to Hammadi whatsoever, State Department spokesman Charles Redman called a press conference and charged that "The U.S. Government is convinced that Iraq has used chemical weapons in its military campaign against Kurdish guerillas. We don't know the extent to which chemical weapons have been used but any use in this context is abhorrent and unjustifiable.... We expressed our strong concern to the Iraqi Government which is well aware of our position that the use of chemical weapons is totally unjustifiable and unacceptable.''<11>

Redman did not allude to any evidence at all nor was the Iraqi government warned of the charges by the State Department. Rather, when Hammadi arrived at the State Department two hours later for his meeting with Schulz, he was besieged by members of the press asking him questions about the massacre. Hammadi was completely unable to give coherent answers. He kept asking the reporters why they were asking him about this. Needless to say the meeting with Schulz was a dismal failure for Iraq's expectations of U.S. assistance in rebuilding after the Iran-Iraq war. Within twenty-four hours of Redman's press release, the Senate voted unanimously to impose economic sanctions on Iraq which would cancel sales of food and technology. Following September 8, 1988 is a two year record that amounts to economic harassment of Iraq by the American State Department, press, and Congress. Saddam Hussein alluded to this period many times during the lead-up to the war and the war itself. On February 15, 1991, in the preamble to his cease-fire proposal, he said "The years 1988 and 1989 saw sustained campaigns in the press and other media and by other officials in the United States and other imperialist nations to pave the way for the fulfillment of vicious aims .<12> The Washington Post's story on the cease-fire proposal of February 15, 1991 was titled simply: 'Baghdad's Conspiracy Theory of Recent History." Some conspiracies theories just happen to be true!

The Bush administration has never presented any evidence whatsoever for its charges that Iraq used poison gas on its own citizens. Rather it has simply repeated the charges over and over in the press. This event is analyzed in considerable detail in a study published by the Army War College called, Iraqi Power and U.S. Security in the Middle East. The authors of that study conclude that the charges were false but used by the U.S. government to change public opinion toward Iraq. They even go so far as to suggest a conspiracy against Iraq: "The whole episode of seeking to impose sanctions on Iraq for something that it may not have done would be regrettable but not of great concern were this an isolated event. Unfortunately, there are other areas of friction developing between our two countries.''

If the first part of the strategy was to create hostility and economic hardships, then the war was the second phase. The massive bombardment of Iraq coupled with the continued economic sanctions after the war completes a two-part strategy designed to leave Iraq both in a weakened state and dependent on western aid and bank loans for any reconstruction effort. The U.S. will want to have a puppet government in Baghdad, and even if it is impossible to impose a Shah-type government on the Iraqi people, the Bush administration assumes that a war-ravaged country that is economically dependent on the U.S. and European capitalist powers or on UN humanitarian aid will be forced into a subservient position.
The New World Order and Big Oil
We believe that the real goal of the United States war against Iraq is to return to the "good old days" when the U.S. and some European countries totally plundered the resources of the Middle East. Five of the twelve largest corporations in the United States are oil monopolies. Before the rise of Arab nationalism and the anti-feudal revolutions that swept out colonialist regimes in Iraq and other Middle Eastem countries in the 1950s and 1960s, U.S., British, and Dutch oil companies owned Arab and Iranian oil fields outright. Between 1948 and 1960 U.S. oil companies received $13 billion in profit from their Persian Gulf holdings. That was half the return on all overseas investment by all U.S. companies in those years.

In recent decades U.S. companies no longer directly own the oil fields of the Middle East, but they still get rich from them. That is because the royal families of the oil-rich Arabian peninsula, who were put on their thrones by the British empire and are kept there by the U.S. military and the CIA, have loyally turned their kingdoms into cash cows for Wall Street banks and corporations.

This is one way it works. Money spent on Saudi Arabian oil, for example, once went into the accounts of Rockefeller-controlled oil corporations at the Rockefeller-controlled Chase Manhattan Bank. Now it is deposited in the Saudi king's huge account at Chase Manhattan which reinvests it at a hefty profit to the Rockefellers. Chase Manhattan also manages the Saudi Industrial Development Fund and the Saudi Investment Bank. Morgan Guaranty Trust Company, which is linked to Mobil and Texaco, has a representative on the Board of the Saudi Monetary Authority and controls another big chunk of the kingdom's income. Citicorp handles much of the Emir of Kuwait's $120 billion investment portfolio. The total amount that the Gulf's feudal lords have put at the disposal of the western bankers is conservatively estimated at $1 trillion. It is probably much more.

While the big oil companies have a going partnership with the feudal rulers of Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, etc., they are relatively locked out of Iraq, Iran, Libya, Yemen, and Algeria. The goal of the U.S. war is to roll back the Arab revolution and all the other revolutionary movements that have swept the region since World War II.

The New World Order that Bush has in mind is, in fact, not so new. It is an attempt to turn the clock back to the pre-World War II era of unchallenged colonial domination and plunder of the land, labor, and resources of Africa, Asia, Latin America, and the Middle East by a handful of industrialized capitalist countries. Unlike the old world order of outright colonialism, the new world order will be imposed by Stealth aircraft, guided missiles, smart bombs, and tactical nuclear weapons - not l9th-century gunboats. This is based on grand geopolitical strategy that flows like water from Pentagon-sponsored think tanks in Washington. It leaves out the most important factor in the equation of the Middle East - the broad mass of the people whose hatred for foreign domination and capacity to struggle remains as powerful as ever.

The U.S. and its imperialist allies have won a temporary victory in the Middle East. But their policy of military domination to stop the natural progression of history - for people to liberate themselves from the yoke of colonialism - cannot succeed.
Notes

1. New York Times, September 3, 1990.
2. Stated to Brian Becker and other members of the Muhammad Ali Peace Delegation on November 30, 1990 by Iraqi Deputy Prime Minister Ramadan.
3. Newsweek, January 28, 1990; for more information on the revamping of Pentagon strategy in early 1990 see Michael T. Klare, "Policing the Gulf - And the World," The Nation, October 15, 1990.
4. New York Times, October 16, 1990.
5. New York Times, October 16, 1990.
6. Jean Heller, "Public Doesn't Get Picture with Gulf Satellite Photos," St Petersburg Times, January 6, 1991. Rpt. In These Times, February 27-March 19, 1991: 7.
7. Newsday, August 20, 1991.
8. See James Ridgeway, "Third World Wars: Iraq is a Model for Post-Cold War Colonies," Village Voice, January 29, 1991.
9. Newsday, February 4, 1991Ñour emphasis.
10. Speech by Secretary of State James Baker, New York Times, September 4, 1990.
11. American Foreign Policy: Current Documents {Washington, DC: Department of State, 1991X, p. 260.
12. New York Times, February 16, 1991: A5.
13. Don Oberdorfer, Washington Post, February 16, 1991.
14. Stephen C. Pelletiere, et al. Iraqi Power and U.S. Security in the Middle East (Carlisle, PA: Strategic Studies Institute, U.S. Army War College, 1990), p. 53.
15. Liberation and Marxism, #7 11990).

Brian Becker was a member of the Muhammad Ali Peace Delegation which travelled to Iraq in late November 1990 in an effort to prevent the war. This report was presented at the New York Commission hearing on May 11, 1991.
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 06:26 PM
Response to Reply #56
64. Read this already....meant nothing then either.
Little more than an op-ed with footnotes. If this is the best you've got, then I'd let it go.
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400Years Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 12:32 PM
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66. I don't even know what you are whining about at this point

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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 01:39 PM
Response to Reply #66
73. I have no idea what you've been talking about, at all
Either way, it really isn't worth the time.
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400Years Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 03:24 PM
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77. That is because it doesn't coincide with what you WANT to believe
Two days before the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, Assistant Secretary of State John Kelly testified before the House Foreign Affairs Subcommittee that the United States has no defense treaty relationship with any Gulf country." The New York Daily News editorialized on September 29, 1990, "Small wonder Saddam concluded he could overrun Kuwait. Bush and Co. gave him no reason to believe otherwise."
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ZapaPaine Donating Member (139 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 04:56 PM
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13. Too little, too late
She said it, "the price was worth it." The question was in plain English. Without US support, the sanctions could not have been implemented and enforced. For years NGOs that hated Saddam tried to get sanctions lifted by appealing to the US, all to no avail. Close to 1.5 million people died during Clinton's watch. Just because he's considered a God to many here does not cleanse his hands. And saying Saddam was stealing the money is a farce. Yes he kept his lavish lifestyle, but the money is pennies compared to the larger picture. Blaming Saddam in order to cover up for Clinton is simple defense mechanism at work: denial. Even the great ones fudge up. The quicker we can admit this the quicker we can move on.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 05:04 PM
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19. Correction...
Whatever number of people died during these years...and the numbers you cite are highly inflated...belong squarely at the feet of Saddam Hussein. These sanctions were imposed because that is the only viable mechanism available to neuter Iraq as a threat to those around him. Had he simply complied with sanctions and with the inspectors, most of this could have been avoided.

Even the Nation magazine, hardly a right wing rag, while criticising the U.S. (which I disagree with), cites Hussein a a primary factor in the deaths taking place in Iraq...

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20011203/cortright
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ZapaPaine Donating Member (139 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 06:17 PM
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58. If the numbers are inflated take it up with various legit NGOs
C'mon, Iraq was far from a threat, just ask Scott Ritter and varius weapons inspectors who knew this in the early 1990's. Saddam's weapons program had been finished, and the US knew it. You cite the Nation, the bastion of Clinton loving, of course they are going to blame Saddam. Don't cite the Nation when talking about blaming Clinton, that's akin to citing the Weekly Standard when wanting to blame Bush. The sanctions, like the aerial bombardment also maintained by Clinton, were not needed because Saddam was a figment of his former self. Madeleine said it was worth it, what does that tell you? She didn't blame Saddam in that quote, now did she? You just don't want to believe that Clinton was responsible for, at the least, 1 million deaths, 500,000 of them children under five. Hard to contemplate what our heroes do in the middle of the night, no?
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 05:05 PM
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20. Did Clinton kill those 1.5m Iraqis, or Saddam's policies?
Saddam DID steal oil-for-food from his own people. To call it a "farce" is demeaning to the people who suffered because of his corruption.

If I give you an apple to pass on to a child, and you sell it instead of passing it on....well, who's to blame? The evil rotten man who gave you the apple in the first place, or the misunderstood rascal who sold it? Not to sound elementary, but it is.
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400Years Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 05:19 PM
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31. If you know these children are starving because their daddy won't feed
them and you sit by and do nothing or even encourage it are you guilt free?

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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 05:39 PM
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39. So what would you suggest? Invasion? Liberation?
Edited on Thu Jan-26-06 05:41 PM by Hobarticus
Kinda comes right back around again, doesn't it?

We demonstrated more interest in feeding the Iraqis than Saddam did. He bled oil-for-food. Any claims to the contrary is just regurgitating his own propaganda.

Being "guilt-free" and being "responsible for" are two very distinct things.
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400Years Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 05:54 PM
Response to Reply #39
45. I'm saying the Clinton years were just part of a larger policy

Have you ever heard Clinton say we should not have invaded Iraq?

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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 05:57 PM
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48. Iraq invaded Kuwait! Why would we NOT invade? n/t
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400Years Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 06:08 PM
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53. Why do you continue to ignore certain facts


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_United_States_(1988-present)
Leading up to the invasion, Iraq complained to the United States Department of State about Kuwaiti slant drilling. This had continued for years, but now Iraq needed oil revenues to pay off its debts and avert an economic crisis. Saddam ordered troops to the Iraq-Kuwait border, creating alarm over the prospect of an invasion. April Glaspie, the United States ambassador to Iraq, met with Saddam in an emergency meeting, where the Iraqi president stated his intention to continue talks. Iraq and Kuwait then met for a final negotiation session, which failed. Saddam then sent his troops into Kuwait.

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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 06:12 PM
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54. What do the causes for the war have to do with oil-for-food?
Edited on Thu Jan-26-06 06:14 PM by Hobarticus
What am I missing? I'm not ignoring, just not understanding what meaning you want me to glean from this. Please, explain.

Saddam had trouble paying off his debts, yet still managed to field the fourth-largest army in the world, so we're supposed to feed his people for him and pay him reparations?

I'm sorry, I just don't follow your train of thought.

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400Years Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 06:14 PM
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57. Your saying Clinton and Albright have clean hands
Edited on Thu Jan-26-06 06:15 PM by 400Years
I'm saying they don't.

But your post was talking about Iraq invading Kuwait so we were justified in invading Iraq in GWI.

that is what I was responding to.




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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 06:25 PM
Response to Reply #57
63. You seem to have the inability to blame Saddam for anything. Why?
According to you, the war wasn't his fault. Starving his own people wasn't his fault. Economic sanctions weren't his fault.

Is Saddam responsible for anything?
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400Years Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 12:36 PM
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69. What a chickenshit reponse, Saddam was a tool of the U.S.
he is a scumbag but that doesn't make Clinton and Madeleine Albright a saint.

What a weird little world you live in.

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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 01:32 PM
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72. Please point out where I said either one WAS a saint.
When I'm told I said things I didn't, I have to wonder who's in a weird ittle world.
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400Years Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 03:04 PM
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74. You simply deny that Clinton and Albright were wrong, I don't

simple as that
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ZapaPaine Donating Member (139 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 06:25 PM
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62. The level of goods stolen by Saddam...
was minimal relative to the amount that was needed to feed and give medicine to an entire population. Not to sound elementary, but give me a break, do you know how much it takes to feed and give adequate health to a nation of over 20 million? Do you really think Saddam stole enough to kill over 1.5 million people, including 500,000 kids? Please, look at the big picture. The money and supplies needed was enormous, yet you blame Saddam for building a mansion or two? Where did the rest of the money, supplies and food he stole, enough to feed and give medicine to 25 million, go? He must have hid it in his spider hole, right? Or do you believe that story as well?

The truth is the money and the food and the medicine was never there because of the sanctions. The truth about Bill is emerging, and denial is how his fan's react. I can't say I'm surprised. It's human nature.
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 05:00 PM
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15. I think every now and then the truth slips out
and it did then. Sort of like when Bush* talked about saying propaganda over and over again.


I think the Clinton administration - on the heels of Bush1 made the risk assessment that the sanctions were worth it - just like she said - to accomplish the goals they wanted to accomplish. Of course they wanted regime change. And it did set the country up to be devastated before Bush*2's war.

I don't think the deaths were worth it - and I think if they didn't think they were worth it - they would have stopped the sanctions.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 05:02 PM
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17. While You are At It... the GOP Funded Sadam
while he gassed his own people.
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400Years Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 05:24 PM
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33. and when Henry B. Gonzales raised hell about it Congress did nothing

Henry B. Gonzales tried to actually impeach Bush Sr. over all this but he had no help at all.

RIP Henry

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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 05:30 PM
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36. Well it's not like kids are as important as oil. Especially Iraqi kids.
Or, Rwandan kids. Or, Cuban kids, or North Korean kids, or Sudanese kids.

http://www.firethistime.org/chrono2000.htm

Humanitarian Aid Co-ordinator Hans Von Sponeck was heavily criticised by the US for continuing his predecessor Denis Halliday’s outspokenness. Indeed the US State Department accused him of ‘….exceeding his authority…’ and allegedly tried to have him removed from his post. The truth was more disturbing. Von Sponeck actually attempted to resign in protest in late December. Kofi Annan would not accept his resignation.

Von Sponeck stated on 13th Feb. 2000: "As a UN official, I should not be expected to be silent to that which I recognise as a true human tragedy that needs to be ended. How long the civilian population, which is totally innocent on all this, be exposed to such punishment for something they have never done? The very title that I hold as a humanitarian co-ordinator suggests that I cannot be silent over that which we see here. program does not guarantee the minimum that a human being requires, which is clearly defined in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. My support, my commitment is for the Iraqi people as a group of deprived people whose tragedy should end."

Two days later he resigned.

When asked about Von Sponeck’s departure, U.S. State Department spokesman James Rubin said: "Good. I think an article in the Iraqi press praising his approach to his work is ample evidence of his unsuitability of this post. His job is to work on behalf of Iraqi people and not the regime and we look forward to an able manager who will maximise the benefits of the oil-for-food programme."

On Monday, February 14, Dr. Jutta Burghardt, the head of the UN World Food Program in Iraq also resigned, citing similar failure of UN relief programs in Iraq.

To date, despite constant public pressure, and the fact that any lifting of sanctions was dependent on Iraq supplying the names of the companies who supplied arms and biological and chemical materials to Iraq, UNSCOM has refused to publish the list. Additionally, an investigation into the gassing of Halabja in 1988 recovered the containers that the gas was carried in. They were supplied by a British company. Its’ identity remains unknown.

In January an Early Day Motion by British MP Alan Simpson was submitted to the House of Commons:

‘That this House regrets that British and American forces continue to fire over 100 missiles a month at targets inside Iraq and have done so throughout the whole of last year; questions the moral and military value of this approach and of the £4.5 million per month which it costs the UK to pursue it; and urges the government to end the bombing, lift the sanctions and re-direct expenditure towards the tragedy of child mortality in Iraq which has doubled in the nine years since sanctions were imposed.’

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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 06:02 PM
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50. Iraq Population Growth Rate (%) 1995-2000 = 2.8
Edited on Thu Jan-26-06 06:04 PM by TahitiNut
Population Growth Rate (%) 1985-1990 = 3.32
Population Growth Rate (%) 1990-1995 = 2.12
Population Growth Rate (%) 1995-2000 = 2.80
Population Growth Rate (%) 2000-2005 = 2.86

It's a wonder that they can sustain such a growth rate when so many children are killed, huh? :eyes:
Y'don't s'pose the war with Iran and the US (GW-1) and all the men killed had anything to do with it?


http://www.unhabitat.org/habrdd/conditions/westasia/iraq.htm

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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 06:32 PM
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65. give up 400years. you are NEVER going to convince
cult of personality types that their GOD, Bill Clinton,the Democrat, did something wrong. see how they bend and contort and make excuses.
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400Years Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 12:37 PM
Response to Reply #65
70. Yeah, Clinton can do no wrong in their minds, kinda sad huh?
We need to focus on facts instead of personality worship. That is one of the biggest problems we have.

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ZapaPaine Donating Member (139 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 04:14 PM
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78. The myopic legends of heroes are hard to quash
Big Bill will forever be in the minds of his most ardent fans a god, incapable of wrong. Yes, he did wonderful things, and for the most part I liked him quite a bit, but he also is to blame, though not completely, for the effects of Iraqi sanctions. His fans will never accept this as true because heroes are impervious to mistakes and in the minds of fans gods can do no wrong. To accept that he was somehow responsible in so much death and suffering is to accept that they love a mass murderer. This human nature cannot allow fans to accept and so they will forever deny truth.
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