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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 12:51 AM
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Lovely experience at the local repuke pub tonight.
Want to hear about it?
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 12:54 AM
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1. Bring it on
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:18 AM
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14. Well we didn't know the place was repuke until this crap went down.
My Ma loves country western music and I had taken my kid to a party so we decided to go have a couple of brewskies. :toast: My Mom is blind so we had her seeing eye dog and the one she is babysitting (I call him the republican dog because his blind owner is a repuke, but I've also convinced the dog to switch parties so :shrug:) So... we go into this joint and when we get to the door, the guy with the "cowboy hat" har har har says you can't come in here with those dogs. I say, "you have to let them in, they're pilot dogs," and walk on by. Ma comes in behind me. I go to the bar for the beers and in the meantime someone offers her (ma) a table. I get the beers and sit down with them. (We are both wearing Jim Pederson shirts) Kyltheshitbag v. Pederson. We drink the first beer as I try to gag down the country honky tonk wank and ask her does she want another beer. She does. So, I go for another beer come back sit down and start to drink. The same lady that had given us the table comes up and says, "I have to ask you to leave." I asked her, "What?" thinking I misunderstood her. She repeats, "I have to ask you to leave." I say, "Why?" She says, "because there isn't room in here for the dogs." I say "Fine, but I am going to change the name of this place, Ma what do you want to call this place?" I go to the bar to close the tab and the fucking owner starts screaming at me "YOU'RE AN ASSHOLE. YOU WORK FOR THAT JIM PEDERSON DON'T CHA?" (Keep in mind, I've never seen this motherfucker in my entire life) I say, "Just what in the fuck is your beef fucker? This is a free country, so and who I fucking work for is none of your business." I get a business card from the barkeep." :rofl: www.RustySpurSaloon.com Ron Peterson is the alleged owner. The lady who told us we had to leave gave us the name of Susan Anderson appeared as though she knew the whole deal was wrong, but this pig owner continued to curse so I finally get mad, "YOU FAT BRAINLESS MOTHERFUCKER, THIS REDNECK HOLE STINKS LIKE PIG SHIT AND WHAT YOU HAVE DONE IS DISCRIMINATE AGAINST A BLIND HANDICAPPED ELDERLY WOMAN WHO HAPPENS TO BE MY MOTHER YOU STUPID MOTHER FUCKER!" Then the whole place chimes in, "GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE YOU FUCKING LIBERAL" ... blah blah blah :rofl: FUCK YOU'S were exchanged as I faced the whole fucking place down. No one got to close as the dogs are dobermans. I couldn't figure out why they let me finish my beer. :rofl: So I've already called my lawyer, Jim Pederson's campaign and I'm about ready to call the KPHO. What do you think? Will my blind Ma be the proud owner of the HIPPY PALACE?
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:34 AM
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28. Christ on a bike!
It's ironic that their website has a section of "patron stories". Guess they wouldn't want yours up there. Bastards.

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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:35 AM
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31. Hey I think I better post it don't you?
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:39 AM
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36. If you did, it might stay up long enough for you to get a screen cap
Which might be worth having if you intend to pursue this. Though they would probably cite it later as evidence of harassment.



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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:44 AM
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46. What is a screen cap?
Edited on Sat Oct-28-06 01:49 AM by lonestarnot
Screen capture? I have the owner's business card, why would I want a screen capture?
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:53 AM
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53. Pull up a web page or any file in any program on your screen
I'm assuming you're on a PC - only because most people are. If you're on a MAc, the process is a little different, but just as easy - check the help files if so.

Just hit the Print Screen button, usually found just above the set of keys on your keyboard that includes Insert, Home, Page Up, etc. Then open any graphics app (Paint will do if you don't have anything else) and after opening a new file there, go to Edit>Paste. You should get a bitmap pic of whatever was on your screen when you hit the print screen button.

If you need more info on this, PM me. I'm signing off soon, but I'd be happy to help tomorrow if I can.

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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:55 AM
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55. Way cool. Will pm. Thanks for the info! I've already bookmarked
the thread for documentation of the event.
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:57 AM
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57. Good stuff.
Edited on Sat Oct-28-06 02:00 AM by JeffR
ON EDIT: I have no claim to knowing the legal value of such a thing. But I think if you seek redress for this, a polite and dispassionately accurate account of your experience submitted to the Client Stories part of their website might at least confirm your version of events in some sense, even if after the fact. You'll need smarter minds than mine to know if that opinion is really accurate.


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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 02:07 AM
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58. One further caution
Their site may not update in (near-)real time. So if they vet the customer feedback page before updating it, your story may never appear there at all. It's a wild card, I'm afraid.

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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 02:10 AM
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59. Well I'm going to try it in the a.m. after I sleep on it.
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 02:14 AM
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60. Worth a try
I just looked at their site and its source code again. I doubt if real-time submissions to them appear on that page without first being assessed and pasted in manually by their webmaster. It's also worth noting that most of the Patron Stories are pretty old. Given what you've said about their "hospitality", that's not surprising.

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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 02:20 AM
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63. Some real hospitable folks there alright.
:rofl:
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:15 PM
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70. I've researched the statutory agent at the corp. commission and
the liquor license and am going to pass on the screen cap. No sense bothering there. I will be bothering with a letter of demand through counsel. Teehee. But still would like to learn this screen cap stuff. Are you game?
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:33 PM
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77. Sure thing!
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AlienGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:37 AM
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33. You have a good case there, it is illegal under ADA to refuse service animals
Hippy Palace would be a cool name. You could even turn it into a dog bar like we have in Seattle, where people can bring well-behaved dogs in with them, and show the jerk just how many dogs will fit.

Tucker
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:38 AM
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35. Going to arrange a blind picket! WOODAMNWHOO!
MAIN STREET IN OLD SNOTSDALE! YEEEEHAAAAAW!
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 02:15 AM
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61. That reminds me of an old episode of Murphy Brown
She had made a disparaging remark about short people. When she went to the local bar to interview some politician, everyone else in the place was under 5'2. They kept sending over orders to Murphy like shrimp cocktails, etc.

I think it would be great if all the blind people in your city started to hang out there (with their dogs, of course)
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 02:22 AM
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64. That may be the plan. Most all of Mom's friends are blind and
most have dogs and they are going to be real pissed over this.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:30 PM
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75. ...and drink nothing but coffee...lots of free refills
Edited on Sat Oct-28-06 01:32 PM by me b zola
:D
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:36 PM
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79. The Happy Hippy Donut and Coffee Watering Hole.
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:45 AM
Response to Reply #33
47. Not only did they violate ADA but then compounded it by giving them a
hard time for their political views, or at least shirts.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:56 AM
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56. Yes true that.
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SaveOurDemocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:39 AM
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37. Sounds like the owner has some...


...major anger management issues. Guess you picked the wrong bar ... LOL


I think the new name needs a little work ... maybe ... "The Last Laugh" ?? :rofl:




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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:43 AM
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44. I intend to use his rusty ass spur! I would like to say that maybe
he'll think twice before he EVER picks on a blind person again, but you and I both know these fucking types can't think.
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G Hawes Donating Member (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 03:41 PM
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95. Cool story.
Edited on Sat Oct-28-06 03:42 PM by G Hawes
And good for you for standing up to the idiot. Now, take 'em down financially.

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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 05:01 PM
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108. Well financially or not, they have no right to abuse blind people.
I'm going to attempt a behavior modification through the Court and see what happens.
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johnfunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 05:45 PM
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115. The Wellstone -- Scottsdale's Handicapped-Friendly Honkytonk
Edited on Sat Oct-28-06 05:45 PM by johnfunk
I like that... has a nice ring to it...
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:46 AM
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49. You for congress OP!
Elbows to the teeth of the bullies! Knock the snot bubbles outa the phony, ignorant, blowhards.
(figuratively speaking -of course!)
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:53 AM
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54. Tee hee!
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 02:19 AM
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62. Sue for the value of the establishment.
Edited on Sat Oct-28-06 02:21 AM by kgfnally
Make it clear to the jury that YOUR ownership WILL NOT discriminate against the blind.

Congratulations on your windfall.

edited to add: I only wish something like this would happen to me. I need to get out of debt so I can go back to school.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 02:24 AM
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65. Windfall? The jury hasn't been seated yet.
Edited on Sat Oct-28-06 02:25 AM by lonestarnot
:rofl: I love your optimism! :hug:
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:38 PM
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84. I was being a LITTLE snarky,
but not much. :D
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 05:08 PM
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110. sssok.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 05:23 AM
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68. Were the dogs wearing the ID vests?
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:23 PM
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71. It doesn't matter.
Legally, you pretty much have to accept the claim that the dog is a service animal, because inquiring too much could violate the medical privacy of the person being served if their disability is not obvious. I had to look into this at work a few years back.

Generally you can only ask a person who has permission to be in your establishment to remove their service animal if it does something unreasonable like damage your premises or threaten somebody's safety, which is highly unlikely with a bona fide service dog.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 03:33 PM
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93. Thanks.
Guess I was kind of suprised at the idea of Doberman seeing eye dogs. I had always thought they used breeds of a particular temperament -- and I never heard of Dobermans being used for that purpose. Learn something new every day!
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 07:34 PM
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117. A friend of mine has a Doberman as a guide dog
very sweet animal. The first time I met him, she sat ON my feet and kept licking my hand and wanted to be petted. The dog had never met me before.

I am guessing they pick the dogs they train by their temperament as puppies.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 08:41 PM
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118. They not only pick them by temperament
as puppies, as I understand it, but they have another hurdle when they're over a year old. Some dogs turn out not to be right for the program.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:37 PM
Response to Reply #68
80. They always have on their pilot license tag, mom has a permit
and they always have on their harnesses when working.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 03:34 PM
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94. Sounds like any jury would be on your side then-- good luck!
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 04:51 PM
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102. thanks pnwmom!
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G Hawes Donating Member (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 03:51 PM
Response to Reply #80
96. A small point to check on.
Are stores, etc. required to allow more than one guide dog per handicapped person? Just a detail that you might want to check on.

Good luck with the lawsuit.

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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 04:51 PM
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103. It's not the person, it's the dog. The dog is licensed and trained to go any
place in America. Handlers are permitted to take them any place.
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 11:05 PM
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121. I experienced something similar in TX
Edited on Mon Oct-30-06 11:06 PM by DesertedRose
One of my good college friends is blind and we were looking at apartments...we were going to be roomates. So when we go to the office the worker told us we'd have to pay a 'pet deposit' since my friend had a 'pet.' We told her it was not a 'pet' but a service animal per ADA. Back and forth we went until we decided it wasn't in our best interest to live in an apartment community with such ignorant management.

Pffft.

PS keep us posted on what happens....
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 06:03 AM
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69. Sounds like a deal to me, you get the red ass and your mom gets the palass
intentionally mis spelled.

Rec
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:38 PM
Response to Reply #69
83. It's a weener!
:rofl:
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SouthernBelle82 Donating Member (879 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:27 PM
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72. Wow how horrible!
They were just awful! I would have left the first sign that they were being rude personally. I just don't put up with that crap anymore personally. How sad your Mom didn't get to have a nice night out and enjoy the music she liked live and a drink. :( So much for "compassionate conservative."
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:40 PM
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85. That's just it. They were not rude. We were totally shocked when
asked to leave since nothing had occurred in advance of being asked to leave, but for the door guy dude saying the dogs couldn't come in and my response back to him.
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:37 PM
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81. Boycott the Rusty Spur Saloon in Scottsdale, Arizona!!
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 04:52 PM
Response to Reply #81
104. If you want to yes, but I'm not advocating a boycott. I prefer to take a stand
against their intolerant ignorance.
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Coventina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:38 PM
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82. Is that the place that looks like a barn on Indian School Rd?
I know the address on the website says "Main St.", but I'm thinking it's actually on Indian School.

Or am I thinking of a different place?
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:41 PM
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86. No it's in Snottsdale on Main Street. Old Town Scottsdale.
I think you were thinking of a different place.
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Coventina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:56 PM
Response to Reply #86
90. You are right. I was thinking of "The Coach House"
Another old-timey bar in OT Scottsdale.


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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 04:40 PM
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98. I've heard of that place too. Bet they are nicer people. Hope they are.
Edited on Sat Oct-28-06 05:02 PM by lonestarnot
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:47 PM
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88. I'm confused.
How did he know you worked for this Jim Pederson? And it's really sad that they didn't want your business because you are a liberal. It's not like you were dissing Bush loudly or anything, you and your mom was just minding your own business.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 04:55 PM
Response to Reply #88
105. But I don't work for Jim Pederson who is running against Killer Kyl. I just
happened to have picked up t-shirts, yard signs and bumper stickers in support of his campaign yesterday and gave one to Mom and we both had on his shirts. LOL Apparently they are also intolerant of free speech and my choice of candidate. :rofl:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 02:50 PM
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92. "Dobermans"!
:rofl: I didn't know one used Dobermans for blind dogs!

Thank you for having so much guts!
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 04:56 PM
Response to Reply #92
106. Yes and they are absolutely beautiful and sooooooooo smart and well
mannered and totally spoiled.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 12:55 AM
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2. Guess not.
:(

I intend to file a lawsuit over what happened, so I guess best to keep it to myself. I am totally shocked and my poor old blind Mother about had a stroke over it.
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AlienGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 12:58 AM
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6. I'd like to know!
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:19 AM
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16. Below. 14
Edited on Sat Oct-28-06 01:29 AM by lonestarnot
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 12:58 AM
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7. Well????????????????????
C'mon, c'mon.

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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:19 AM
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15. See below.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 12:55 AM
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3. Dish!
:)
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:24 AM
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24. SEE 14
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SaveOurDemocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 12:56 AM
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4. Sure ...


:popcorn:

go ahead, get it off your chest. :argh:

:pals:

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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:25 AM
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25. See 14
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meldroc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 12:57 AM
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5. Let's hear it!
I'm a sucker for a good story...
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:20 AM
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17. Below
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Surya Gayatri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:00 AM
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8. Unfair to late-night posters, lonstar...
after a teaser like that, you gotta spill it! Come on, give out! SG
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:20 AM
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18. Below
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:28 AM
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26. 14
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:02 AM
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9. Remove the names to protect the innocent!
Also, maybe stating the situation in this public forum will help validate your pending lawsuit.

Okay, that's evil. I am a bad person. If you feel you should keep the details to yourself, then you should.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:20 AM
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19. Below
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:34 AM
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30. Were not any innocents. All fucking freaks. LOL A whole nest of em.
Just like a passle of snakes on a fucking plane!
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rhiannon55 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:04 AM
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10. You can tell me
I'm listenin'! :popcorn:
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:21 AM
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20. Below
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:05 AM
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11. You have a local repuke pub, WTF?
All I can say is, I Love L.A.!! I don't have one of those, that I know of, LOL...
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:21 AM
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21. I didn't know it was repug until the story below.
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SaveOurDemocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:13 AM
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12. I have a feeling it's not a short story ...


... think loanstar needs a few minutes to get it all down.



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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:22 AM
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22. Got it down it's here now, you were right. Took a while.
LOL
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:17 AM
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13. well i will tell you one to make all happy...
in very rethug monmouth county NJ ..i was at a huge mall today..and all around the mall someone or ones..put Kerry /Edwards signs ..everywhere around the mall..and near the street lights..any where there was grass to put them in...they were plastered everywhere!!

It truely warmed my heart..and there were no rethug signs..just Menendez a few local dems and lots of Kerry /Edwards signs!!

and i have lots of bumper stickers on my fancy car ( to my hubby's chagrin)..and i was getting thumbs up all day by people passing me!!

i now am certain ..we will win big..unless it is stolen..because i live in one of the most rethuglican area in the state of NJ!!

now is everyone happy?? i am thrilled ..and it was so good to see all the Kerry- Edwards signs..it was like someone turned the clock back two years!!

fly
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:24 AM
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23. The fuckers all went to the Rusty Spur tonight!
Edited on Sat Oct-28-06 01:29 AM by lonestarnot
:rofl: see 14
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:30 AM
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27. oops.
Edited on Sat Oct-28-06 01:33 AM by lonestarnot
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:43 AM
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43. Good ole' Monmouth
I went to Monmouth College back in the day when it was still called that instead of Monmouth University. My parents are in Holmdel and my brother just moved from Atlantic Highlands. It's a nice place to visit but too congested for my liking. Glad to hear the area is waking up politically. :D
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:45 AM
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48. Cool! about Monmouth!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:51 PM
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89. Sounds like a real statement was being made.
Your story deserves a thread of its own.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:34 AM
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29. Those dogs probably saved your life.
They let you finish your beer because your were packing dobermans.

You may not have a lawsuit but you've definitely got a local news story. I say tell the press.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:36 AM
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32. Absolutely illegal to refuse service due to a pilot dog.
Handicapped discrimination is illegal under the ADA. That's my business. Civil suit a com'n.
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AlienGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:38 AM
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34. Or any other service animal!
Edited on Sat Oct-28-06 01:54 AM by AlienGirl
Anecdotally, parrots (my specialty) are really good at alerting their humans to things like seizures, blood sugar/pressure crises, and even panic attacks. They have feet like sphygmomanometers, can see minute changes in muscle tension, and are very attuned to their owners' state of mind. They also remain behaviorally plastic throughout life, live 40-80 years, and can talk. If I had unlimited funding and knew how to do it, I'd like to set up a program to train parrots for medical alerts, and also train them to *tell onlookers what to do*. Though some species of parrot don't like change or being in public, there are others that are attention hogs and are even-tempered enough to withstand even crowds, malls, and sports events.

Imagine an animal that alerts to a cardiac event coming up so the human can get to a safe place, then tells people in the area, "Call 911!"

Tucker
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:39 AM
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40. Damn straight!
:toast: I think Jim Pederson can make some hay out of this too.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 02:27 AM
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66. From what I've learned of parrots over the years, this isn't unrealistic.
You should look into animal behavior specialists, particularly those who deal with birds, and find out if parrots could be a service animal. They can certainly be taught.

I would have said 'trained', but parrots, from what I've learned, are smarter than mere 'training'; they're smart enough to be taught.

A 911 crooning parrot that can detect cardiac distress or other imminent, sudden maladies could well be a very good thing for many people. You should pursue your idea. Something lifesaving could come of it- and even ONE life saved is worth all the effort.
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AlienGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 02:45 AM
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67. There already are some service parrots, but as yet no professional school for them
I've heard of at least one African Grey with unspecified service functions, and also a conure who acted as a guide bird by ringing bells on his blind owner's shoulders to let him know which way to go and when.

There are a lot of birds in rescues (mostly cockatoos, but also some African Greys and Macaws) who are so imprinted on humans that they want to be on their human "mate" 24/7. They are called "Velcro birds." I suspect many of them would gladly be service birds in exchange for constant human contact. Everyone would come out ahead: the human would have a life-long companion to alert them to emergencies, and the bird would have the contact and intellectual stimulation of having a job to do.

Tucker

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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:31 PM
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76. Gives me goosebumps!
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:30 PM
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73. I love birds! They are very intelligent creatures. The
bird brain misnomer is pathetic.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:44 AM
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45. Well then, you know the right channels
Whereas I would opt for someone else covering my legal fees, say maybe city code enforcement?
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:48 AM
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50. I'll check that out also. City of Snottsdale.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:39 AM
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38. no press
I'm guessing your local candidate doesn't need a news story about his staff (or volunteers, whatever) cursing folks out at the local saloon. That's not good press.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:42 AM
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42. I'm not his staff, nor his volunteer, I'm a fucking constiuent tax payer
with a mother who is in a protected class!
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:49 AM
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51. I'm laughing here
trying to picture him sitting in his office watching as you appear unexpectedly on the tv as one of his "fucking" loyal supporters.

See, if I ran for office, that's the sort of thing that would happen to me, guaranteed.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:51 AM
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52. This is a public board, so I can be myself. But this is casual
conversation, not TV talk. I would never do anything to hurt Mr. Pederson's campaign. He's not responsible for my naughty mouth.
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BlueJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:39 AM
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39. In the event that you lose the case, Email me and I'll get some of my....
...Redneck liberal friends and we'll burn the Fucking place down.. :)
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:40 AM
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41. Crack me the fuck up!
Edited on Sat Oct-28-06 01:58 AM by lonestarnot
:rofl: I know you're kidding or I'd give you a hard time.
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Homer Wells Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:30 PM
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74. I Think You and your Mom's blind friends should all get together
and every one of them should go to that bar (with their dogs), and have a big ol time there all evening.
Maybe do this every night, until that jerkoff gets the message.

:toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast:

:hippie:
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:33 PM
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78. I won't step foot in that place again until it's doors are shut and
Edited on Sat Oct-28-06 01:34 PM by lonestarnot
or they are under different ownership and severely economically punished for their discrimination against the blind, but I definitely see where you are coming from and intend to arrange informational picket against the establishment.
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Homer Wells Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 02:08 PM
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91. I fully understand your position
As an alternative, why not get the blind folk in your area, and perhaps anyone who has a disability that requires an animal for assistance, to organize a movement against that "sterling" establishment. (Sit-ins and all that, or maybe just all showing up at once and demanding service)
It would do double duty as both a righteous stand against intolerance, and pissing off the proprietor big time.
Just a thought!

Steve
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 04:48 PM
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100. Waiting for Monday. Going to do something just like you have described,
but I won't be taking part as I am not blind.
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Homer Wells Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 07:25 PM
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116. All the best to you, Lonestarnot,
I have this page bookmarked, and hope to hear good things from you.

:toast: :thumbsup:
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:42 PM
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87. "Old Town" Scottsdale? n/t
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 04:49 PM
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101. Yes, dating back to 1829 or something like that.
Edited on Sat Oct-28-06 04:50 PM by lonestarnot
Original buildings still standing, with some restorative and historical preservation.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 04:08 PM
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97. No offense, but I don't think you have a chance in hell of getting
a court to agree that you have a right to babysit a dog in somebody's bar.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 04:46 PM
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99. I think you are ignorant as to ADA law, and of pilot dogs. Pilot dogs
are allowed to stay even in hospitals with the person they guide. ADA, Adults With Disabilities Act protects the blind (protected class) from discrimination due to disability. It they are not treated like everyone else, then they are victims of discrimination. Last night was a perfect example, an ADA lawyers dream. I will let you know how I fair if you are interested, but from your comment re "babysitting a dog" I think you are blowing air.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 05:05 PM
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109. I'm glad you put quotes around "babysitting,"
Edited on Sat Oct-28-06 05:07 PM by BuyingThyme
because it's your word.

There are plenty of yes-men here who won't be honest with you, but I don't play that.

Read carefully:

You do not have the right to babysit dogs in people's bars. If you think you do, something has gone terribly wrong. And your rude arrogance in insisting to that you can take companion dogs anywhere you wish, even though they're not guiding, should be rejected outright by people who depend on, or defend, true companion rights.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 05:12 PM
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111. "babysitting" is what my Ma is doing, not me. Did you read the fucking
post. And they are not fucking companion dogs they are Pilot dogs. Dee Dee Dee. Jesus in petal pushers... get a freakin clue. Good thing the Courts vior dire jurors. :rofl:
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 03:46 PM
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119. So, are we supposed to pretend that your ma was handling both dogs?
Edited on Sun Oct-29-06 03:48 PM by BuyingThyme
I kinda doubt it, but it doesn't matter. You do not have the right to babysit a dog in somebody's bar.

You seem to be confusing dog rights with human rights. You see, it's not the dogs that have a right to enter public places; it's the people who have a right to bring the dogs into public places. You've got it backwards.

The fact of the matter is that you should have been arrested as soon as you barged into that bar. But the people there treated you with patience and respect, even in the face of your nastiness and on-the-spot blackmail.

If you need attention that bad, maybe you should find another way. What you did is like illegally parking in a handicapped space, but 5,000 times worse. It's exploitation beyond comprehension.

When you calm down, I hope you go back to that place and apologize. But I don't know how you can answer to all of the blind people who count on the rights you decided to exploit.
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GCP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 04:58 PM
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107. I have a feeling this won't end up on the Patron Stories page of their website
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 05:16 PM
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112. LOL. What a bunch of crap that page must be.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 05:22 PM
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113. What in the hell is the matter with the rethugs?!
First Michael J. Fox and now your mom who is blind! This proves they have absolutely NO compassion! :grr: Hope you win your suit against them!
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 05:27 PM
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114. Thank you GoldenRule, but first things first. Law suits take a looooooong
time. They certainly need to learn a lesson over there. Yes Michael J. Fox, what kind people they are hugh? That poor man is fighting for his life and they would rather piss on him than admit they are wrong.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 10:50 PM
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120. ARS 11- 1024 Section H
11-1024. Service animals; rights of individuals with disabilities; violation; classification; definitions

A. Any person or entity that operates a public place shall not discriminate against individuals with disabilities who use service animals.

B. It is not discriminatory to exclude a service animal from a public place if one or more of the following apply:

1. The animal poses a direct threat to the health or safety of others.

2. The animal fundamentally alters the nature of the public place or the goods, services or activities provided.

3. The animal poses an undue burden.

C. Public places may maintain a general no pets policy if it is not used to exclude service animals and if it does not grant rights to any person to bring the person's pet into a public place that otherwise does not permit pets.

D. A service animal handler is liable for any damage done to a public place by the service animal or service animal in training.

E. Any trainer or individual with a disability may take an animal being trained as a service animal to a public place for purposes of training it to the same extent as provided in subsections A, B and C of this section.

F. A zoo or wild animal park may prohibit a service animal, including a dog guide or service dog, from any area of the zoo or wild animal park where the service animal may come into direct contact with the animals contained in the zoo or wild animal park. Service animals shall not be excluded from public walkways or sidewalks or from any area that allows for physical barriers between the service animals, dog guides or service dogs and the animals in the zoo or wild animal park. Any zoo or wild animal park that prohibits dog guides and service dogs shall provide without cost adequate facilities for the temporary confinement of dog guides and service dogs. The facilities shall be adequate to accommodate the anticipated attendance of legally blind, deaf or physically disabled persons, shall be in an area not accessible to the general public, shall provide water for the dog guides and service dogs and shall otherwise be safe, clean and comfortable. The zoo or wild animal park on request by a legally blind person who is required to leave that person's dog guide or service dog pursuant to this subsection shall provide a sighted escort if the legally blind person is unaccompanied by a sighted person.

G. The driver of a vehicle approaching a legally blind pedestrian who is carrying a cane that is predominately white or metallic in color, who is using a service animal or who is assisted by a sighted person shall yield the right-of-way and take reasonable precautions to avoid injury to the pedestrian and the service animal. The pedestrian has the same rights as any other person whether or not the pedestrian is carrying the cane, using a service animal or being assisted by a sighted person. Drivers shall take the same precautions with respect to pedestrians who have a disability other than blindness and their service animals. A driver who violates this subsection is liable for damages for any injury caused to the pedestrian or the service animal.

H. Any person or entity that violates subsections A through G of this section is guilty of a class 2 misdemeanor.

I. This section is not intended to affect any civil remedies available for a violation of this section.

J. For the purposes of this section:

1. "Direct threat to the health or safety of others" means that a significant risk to the health or safety of others exists and cannot be eliminated by modification of policies, practices or procedures or by the provision of auxiliary aids or services.

2. "Discriminate" means discriminatory actions prescribed in section 41-1492.02 and includes:

(a) Refusing to permit an individual with a disability to enter a public place with a service animal or interfering with the individual's right to enter or use the public place.

(b) Failing to provide an individual with a disability the same services and access to the same areas of the premises as afforded to others.

(c) Attempting to impose a charge, fee or deposit because an individual with a disability is accompanied by a service animal.

(d) Requiring an individual with a disability to disclose disability related information. However, a public accommodation may ask if the animal is a service animal being used because of a disability.

(e) Requiring provision of identification for the service animal.

3. "Individual with a disability" means an individual who has a physical or mental impairment that substantially limits one or more of the major life activities of the individual.

4. "Public place" means any office or place of business or recreation to which the general public is invited, whether operated by a public or private entity and includes all forms of conveyance, including taxis, tow trucks and ambulances.

5. "Service animal" means any guide dog, signal dog or other animal individually trained to do work or perform tasks for the benefit of an individual with a disability, including guiding individuals with impaired vision, alerting individuals with impaired hearing to intruders or sounds, providing assistance in a medical crisis, pulling a wheelchair or fetching dropped items.

6. "Wild animal park" means an entity that is open to the public on a regular basis, that is licensed by the United States department of agriculture as an exhibit and that is operating primarily to conserve, propagate and exhibit wild and exotic animals.
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