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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 09:15 AM
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Amendment 4: Tin Soldiers & Nixon Coming ....
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonablesearches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrents shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the person or things to be seized."
-- Amendment 4

In 2005, Carroll & Graf Publishers reissued The Senate Watergate Report. This is the historic report that resulted from the Ervin Committee's investigation of the crimes we know collectively as "Watergate." These hearings played a significant role in the collapse of the Nixon administration.

It is important to remember that in January, 1973, after the convictions of the seven men involved in the break-in at the Watergate, it seemed likely that the White House could close the door on scandal. On February 2, Chief Judge John Sirica stated, "Everyone knows there's going to be a Congressional investigation in this case. I would hope, frankly, not only as a judge, but as a citizen of a great country and one of millions of Americans who are looking for certain answers -- I would hope that the Senate committee is granted power by Congress by a broad enough resolution to get to the bottom of what happened in this case."

In part of the Committee report, Senator Sam Ervin, Jr., wrote, "One shudders to think that the Watergate conspiracies might have been effectively concealed and their most dramatic episode might have been dismissed as a 'third-rate' burglary conceived and committed solely by the seven original Watergate defendants had it not been for the courage and penetrating understanding of Judge Sirica, the thoroughness of the investigative reporting of Carl Bernstein, Bob Woodward, and other representatives of a free press, the labors of the Senate Select Committee and its excellent staff, and the dedication and diligence of Special Prosecutors Archibald Cox and Leon Jaworski and their associates."

The copyrighted introduction by Daniel Schorr, we read that the "Watergate Committee's televised heyday, which left some shaking their heads and others shaking their fists," covered a total of 37 days (May 17 to August 7, and then September 24 to November 15). "In the way that it only does for great moments in history," Schorr wrote in 1974, "television dropped everything to focus on 'gavel-to-gavel' coverage. In the coming weeks, America sat through two billion viewing hours -- an average of thirty hours per household -- of Watergate hearings -- many of them avidly, some of them resentfully, wondering where the scheduled soap operas had gone. But, for some of those the Watergate hearings, with a teaful Strachan, a mocking Ehrlichman, a stonewalling Mitchell, had become a soap opera itself. And, in the end, having drifted to rotating coverage and then no coverage, the networks were surprised to learn that their aggregate audience during the hearings was greater than it would have been with normal programming." (xix-xx)

Schorr had reason to take interest in the hearings. As reported by John Dean, "Haldeman requested Larry Higby to direct the FBI to do an investigation of CBS news correspondent Daniel Schorr." (228) When this became public, the White House claimed that this was a mere back-ground check being cnducted because Schorr was being considered for an administration position. Dean testified that this was a lie, and that the White House was hoping to smear Schorr.

Indeed, in part of the public record under the heading "What Was Watergate?", Ervin wrote, "They branded as enemies of the President individuals and members of the news media who dissented from the President's policies and opposed his re-election, and conspired to urge the Department of Justice, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Internal Revenue Service, and the Federal Communications Commission to pervert the use of their legal powers to harass them for doing so."

That brings thoughts of Keith Olbermann's reporting on MSNBC's Countdown to mind. I would like to dedicate the following section of Ervin's "Why Was Watergate?" to Mr. Olbermann:

"They had forgotten, if they ever knew, that the Constitution is designed to be a law for rulers and people alike at all times and under all circumstances; and that no doctrine involving more pernicious consequences to the commonweal has ever been invented by the wit of a man than the notion that any of its provisions can be suspended by the President for any reason whatsoever.

"On the contrary, they apparently believed that the President is above the Constitution, and has the autocratic power to suspend its provisions if he decides in his own unreviewable judgement that his action in so doing promotes his own political interests or the welfare of the nation. As one of them testified before the Senate Select Committee, they believed that the President has the autocratic power to suspend the Fourth Amendment whenever he imagines that some indefinable aspect of national security is involved.

"I digress to reject this doctrine of the constitutional omnipotence of the President. As long as I have a mind to think, a tongue to speak, and a heart to love my country, I shall deny that the Constitution confers any autocratic power on the President, or authorizes him to convert George Washington's America into Gaius Caesar's Rome."

Let's make sure that we elect a democratic congress. We need both the House and Senate to put the imperial presidency of George Bush and Dick Cheney in check.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 09:27 AM
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1. aside from 2 and 3, which other of the bill of rights amendments
still apply?

ever read the Wars of Watergate?
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 09:31 AM
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3. Wars of Watergate ....
I have not read it. One of the things I really like about DU is having people recommend good books. Can you tell me the author, etc, so that I can order it? Thank you!
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 09:59 AM
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7. here you go: excellent overview -- first one by a historian
brevity is its major drawback, but it covers the entire affair in ways that other books, which concentrate on specific aspects, don't

http://www.h-net.org/reviews/showrev.cgi?path=12384873237648
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 10:00 AM
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9. Thanks! n/t
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 09:29 AM
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2. K&R!
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 09:35 AM
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4. What I Hope
is that as KO suggested, the killing of Habeas Corpus comes back to bite the blivet in his smirking...Ass.

*shadow government*
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 09:54 AM
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6. I thought his
talk two nights ago was great.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 11:02 AM
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11. And What Do You Know...
MSNBC is making big changes and the one they are going to fire is....Tucker. Honestly, I'm gobsmacked that management has let Keith deliver his comments.

*shadow government*
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 07:54 PM
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27. I'm curious ....
if the bit about Tucker is true. I saw something from a source that I'm not familiar with, and am wondering if you have heard this from a reliable source? He had recently been promoted as part of the changes at MSNBC.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 09:53 AM
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5. K&R! What a wonderful quote - it bears repeating:
"They had forgotten, if they ever knew, that the Constitution is designed to be a law for rulers and people alike at all times and under all circumstances; and that no doctrine involving more pernicious consequences to the commonweal has ever been invented by the wit of a man than the notion that any of its provisions can be suspended by the President for any reason whatsoever.

"On the contrary, they apparently believed that the President is above the Constitution, and has the autocratic power to suspend its provisions if he decides in his own unreviewable judgement that his action in so doing promotes his own political interests or the welfare of the nation. As one of them testified before the Senate Select Committee, they believed that the President has the autocratic power to suspend the Fourth Amendment whenever he imagines that some indefinable aspect of national security is involved.

"I digress to reject this doctrine of the constitutional omnipotence of the President. As long as I have a mind to think, a tongue to speak, and a heart to love my country, I shall deny that the Constitution confers any autocratic power on the President, or authorizes him to convert George Washington's America into Gaius Caesar's Rome."
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 09:59 AM
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8. Senator Ervin also
quoted from Marcus Tullius Cicero: "Most men, however, are inclined to forget justice altogether, when once the craving for military power or political honors and glory has taken possession of the, Remember the saying of Ennius, 'When crowns are at stake, no friendship is sacred, no faith shall be kept'."
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 10:03 AM
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10. Not bad from an old country lawyer
as he called himself.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 07:52 PM
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25. The more I read
the works of this "old country lawyer," the more impressed I am. Like most people my generation, I thought very highly of him during the Watergate hearings. And, from time to time, I've read parts of his writings. But I am finding it to be the most impressive now. It fits this situation as well as it did the Nixon era. Outstanding.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 11:07 AM
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12. k&r excellent post.... history is fascinating isn't it?
(as the fourth amendment is history now)
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 01:16 PM
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15. It is a strange
period in our history right now. A lot of the issues from the past are coming to the surface today. And the icing on the cake is an arrogant, obnoxious, spoiled brat being installed as president, who thinks that he is entitled to change the form of government that the nation is supposed to enjoy -- and for his own selfish reasons.

I spoke with my conservative brother two nights ago. Although he is in a decided minority of republicans, he is strongly opposed to the administration. He admitted that the Clinton years look pretty good now. I was reminded of a line in Woodward's new book, on page 8, where Dick Armitage was sizing up candidate Bush. "And there was Bush's smirk, Armitage said." Armitage told his wife that he didn't think Bush "filled the suit required of a president," and that Bush didn't appreciate the implications of the US as a world power.

I also think about a description on page 417, "Senator Harry Reid of Nevada ... a 65-year old former boxer .... told his staff, 'I just can't stand him.' He found it unbearable to watch most of the president's nationally televised speeches."

It's a hell of a thing when a guy at Armitage's level in the administration would recognize Bush as a smirking twirp. And Reid strikes me as a pretty easy guy to get along with. Hopefully some of the republican will unite with the upcoming democratic majority to confront the beast.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 04:05 PM
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18. Doesn't Fill The Suit!
That pretty much sums it up.

*shadow government*
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 05:04 PM
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20. I am right there with Senator Harry Reid.
I just can't stand him. I too find it unbearable to watch him. But as you suggest, the democratic majority needs to confront the beast. I can't WAIT until November!!!

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Lifelong Protester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 11:23 PM
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32. I have to turn down the car radio...
or risk driving off the road whenever I hear his voice.

Oh, and I have yet, my autographed picture of Sam Ervin. He didn't do photos but instead had a nice print of something like an etching. At one time I had pictures of all my Watergate 'heroes', but I can't find them all. Only "Chairman Sam" survives!
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Annces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 11:49 AM
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13. Thanks for the Friday read
I hope there is a major democratic turn-out for the vote.


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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 01:21 PM
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16. There will be.
The citizens of this country are going to be heard. Like Sam Cooke sang, a change is gonna come.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 12:19 PM
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14. May a thousand challenges to this law bloom, like flowers
pushing up through pavement, and may this law be repudiated in the history books read by the generations to follow ours.

Thank you for some inspiring excerpts from the Watergate era.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 02:23 PM
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17. I wish we could still conduct investigations like Watergate.
Maybe we will when we take back Congress. I've been reading up recently on Henry Gonzalez's investigation into Iraqgate, hopefully the room will be a bit more full when Conyers starts opening up the dirt on Dumbya:

raqgate--A Case Study of a Big Story With Little Impact
Despite hundreds of news reports, no public outrage has erupted over secret U.S. aid to Iraq.
David Shaw, Times Staff Writer
October 27, 1992

Eight months ago, the Los Angeles Times published the first in a continuing series of articles charging that the Bush Administration had secretly funneled several billion dollars worth of loan guarantees and military technology to Saddam Hussein from 1986 to 1990. Directly and indirectly, the stories said, this money and materiel gave Hussein the very weapons he later used against American and allied forces in the Persian Gulf War.

The Times stories--many based on previously secret papers prepared by the Bush Administration--also alleged that the Administration tried to cover up what it had done by altering documents it supplied to Congress and by attempting to obstruct official investigations of aid to Iraq.

snip

Shortly after The Times stories began running, Rep. Henry B. Gonzalez (D-Tex.), chairman of the House Banking Committee, cited them in calling for congressional hearings on Iraqgate. Gonzalez, who had been investigating the role in Iraqgate of the Atlanta branch of the Italian government-owned Banca Nazionale del Lavoro for more than a year, also read dozens of classified documents on Iraqgate into the Congressional Record.

snip

There was no public outcry over Iraqgate similar to that which triggered the Watergate and Iran-Contra investigations. When U.S. Atty. Gen. William P. Barr announced in August that he would not appoint a special prosecutor to investigate whether any laws were broken, the reaction, especially outside Washington, was barely perceptible. Only in recent weeks has the story spurred appreciable political activity, and even now, it does not seem to have had substantial impact on the general public.

http://www.latimes.com/news/obituaries/la-me-shaw27oct27,1,1804113.story?coll=la-news-obituaries
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 04:56 PM
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19. One of the things that I hope comes out of all this mess, if we survive
as a nation, is that many more young people start seeing the importance of history, and become GOOD and INSPIRING history teachers!

Thank you for bringing so much of our history to life, H2O Man!

:applause:
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 06:00 PM
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23. not only the importance of history, but I also hope that all people young
and old realize the importance of their civic duty(s) if and when we get through these dark days.


btw bravo H2O Man as always

thank you
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 07:48 PM
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24. Many thanks
to all of you. It does this old man good to have people read, and appreciate, the things I post on this forum.

I have another essay almost ready. It's taken me a bit longer to arrange and edit, because I have a habit of talking a lot. (grin) But! in the next couple of days, I hope to post an essay on "communication skills" based on the techniques of Malcolm X. I'm thinking that Brother Malcolm would be of great value were he here today. But by attempting to apply history's lessons today, we still gain.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 08:44 PM
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29. And it does so many others good
to have your essays to read. Your gift is very much appreciated.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 01:56 PM
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35. OHHHH, GOOODY!!!!
~~on edge of chair~~ :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

That's something we *ALL* need, and badly!\

I'm really anticipatory... :) :hi: :)

Thanks so much for all your time and effort on these projects, H2O Man! I'm really learning a lot from you, and looking forward to more!

chirp!
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 03:20 PM
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37. I have not
forgotten the suggestion! It has been taking me a little while to figure out exactly what I should put in. (I've been going through a lot of books and listening to the old albums of his speeches.)
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 03:22 PM
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38. I had a feeling you were simmering and hatching... ^_^
It kinda makes me feel guilty, knowing how much effort you put into these projects. :blush:

(Hey, I'm Lutheran... I do guilt really well... ) :hi:

I know I muchly appreciate it, and I'm sure many others do, also. :applause:
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 09:15 PM
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30. I, too, appreciate your history lessons, H2O Man.
My children are young (3rd and 5th grades). I have engaged in discussions with their teachers and teacher leaders the importance of children understanding the significance of the constitution. It's amazing that they push the pledge of allegiance on children, too young to understand (or care) what it means. I am making sure my children have a clear understanding of their government and their responsibilities as citizens.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 01:57 PM
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36. What a good mom! Wish mine had done that!
I grew up knowing so very little about this country, and politics in general.

That's great that you are taking the time to give your children that foundation!

And, it's really too bad that it's not something they get, in a meaningful way, from school. :(

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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 05:05 PM
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21. K&R!!!
:kick:
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 05:40 PM
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22. Kick and Recommend!
I haven't even read it yet...but don't want this to sink to archives............Am I blind? NO...I just didn't get to read yet...but I want to kick it.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 07:52 PM
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26. Good stuff, H2O Man
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 08:03 PM
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28. Here's to keeping George Bush and Dick Cheney in check
excellant piece!
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Alizaryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 11:13 PM
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31. We're finally on the run.
Hopefully its a GOOD omen!
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 12:59 AM
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33. K&R for the Sage of Democratic Underground.
:dem:
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 09:51 AM
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34. Kick for the Saturday morning crowd!
:kick:
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 05:12 PM
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39. Kick for the Saturday evening crowd.
:kick:
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