How much is "enough"?

[Horse with no Name]

When will you say "enough is enough"?
And what will you do when you reach that point?
I joined here right after the elections after lurking for awhile.
I just felt I had so much I needed to say and wanted to say it with people who felt the way I did. Other message boards that weren't strictly for liberals allowed vicious attacks and all the "Get over it" memes.
I was heartbroken when Kerry didn't win the election.
And mad. Oh was I mad.
I knew something had gone terribly wrong.
The researchers in the E&D forum were amazingly awesome.
I knew that John Kerry would make sure every vote counted. He told me he would.
Then he didn't.
Now while I realize that he didn't have the proof he needed, it still was a huge letdown.
Seemed the only recourse would be the self destruction of the blivet.
Then along came the DSM's.
Whew I thought to myself. Finally.
And nothing happened.
I can't even count all of the impeachable offenses and lies that this administration has thrust on the citizenry of this country, and each time thinking this was going to be the time they brought them down, only to have my hopes dashed every time.
What happened to bipartisan compromise that allowed Owen and Rodgers to advance to the courts unfettered?
Seems that we got the shit end of the stick on that one.
Fear isn't the only thing we have to fear.
We have an administration of vile, evil, sick bastards that are unaccountable to anyone or anything.
My worst fear is is that it is too late to do anything about it.
I have a feeling that my "enough is enough" is almost here.
I'll fight as long and as hard as I can, but I am not going to fault anyone for finally reaching the end of their emotional rollercoaster.
You gotta do what you gotta do, but in the end, you have to save yourself.

[niyad]

1. believe me, I know exactly what you mean. I will fight until there is

either a sea change in consciousness and awareness, or until I see that there is not one iota of hope left, and even then, will fight to my last breath. but I am also aware that I have, perhaps, an easier time of it, with far fewer obligations, than many. Like you, I will not fault anyone who just cannot take it anymore.

[PATRICK]

2. Makes a great tombstone epithet

I am rereading War and Peace and not finding things as I expected. Instead it is like reading a new book entirely. Such is the experience of age. One jolting blurb by Tolstoy is about the surrender of Moscow.
Nothing that came before or after, all the plans, all the actions all the judgments by people intimately involved and educated and active- meant absolutely nothing. Sure it is part of Tolstoy's monumentally repeated theory of history, but why did I get the feeling it applied to us, me? Not Napoleon, not his enemies, not any event or single person meant more than the sum of the parts and the predictable, inevitable results, many of them uncritical instincts and seeming accidents. then history is supposed to analyze it was this person or that policy that moved history uniquely.

At least we are privileged to reflect upon this together in the open as group with SOME influence on the incredibly absurd jaded dramas unfolding naively around us. At least we share as a group that we don't matter because the knowledge of the truth has not been allowed to matter- which foredooms all the efforts by the dysfunctional entrepreneurs of imperial destiny in a world way too advanced down another path entirely.

The urge to act spreads throughout the large body of humanity in crisis. It begins to move and undercuts all the presumptions on the manipulators of civilization as chessboard. The suffering will be immense but perhaps the issue is already decided against them. The only difference today is that the very scale of crisis(ecological, WMD's, disease, etc) just might take all or most human with it down the toilet.

But despite all its pride, intentions, self justifications and apparent success- the water is swirling the out of place Nazis down even now as we post.

Alito? Permanent martial law? Huge fatalities? Possible, but it won't matter. There is nothing the other side can do except advance and utter defeat is steadily approaching.

[Maddy McCall]

3. My bottom line is Roe v. Wade.

If Democrats spinelessly allow Roe v. Wade to be overturned, I will continue to fight, but it will be from within a third party.

[raysr]

4. Jeeze, it's way bigger than Roe!

This unitary executive thing is the utter end!

[Roho]

5. how much

How much of your own history do you know?

History can be a comfort and an adviser. There were bombs going off, bank robberies by underground resistance groups to fund civil disobedience, and riots on college campuses before the people were heard and the administration's policy in Vietnam was forced to change.

There was a draft that took the best and brightest off to a far away jungle to be slaughtered for a pack of lies.

The heavy weight champion of the world risked everything to take a stand against the racism and corruption of the day.

Ordinary people along with entertainment superstars risked life and liberty to affect the change they felt necessary to make carrying on worth it.

You called me a freeper troll earlier tonight for trying to make people realize that quiting the Democratic Party was counterproductive and even selfishly indulgent, and here you are posting a thread full of despair and understanding of those who would just quit and slink away to the best life they could carve out for themselves knowing that injustice and barberry was continuing unabated.

It seems you need some inspiration and some revolutionary role models to pick up your spirits and carry on the good fight.

Might I suggest an American History book as a good starting point and then let the character in them that you find compelling guide you next course of ACTION.

Here are just two of mine.

[radfringe]

6. my post from 11/27/05 Had Enough?

Had Enough?

After months of "stay the course" rhetoric - the White House, all of a sudden, announces an exit plan - of sorts. It's remarkably similar to plans offered by Murtha and Biden. The White House suddenly seems surprised at the hub-bub over leaving Iraq. The "Gee, we had a plan all along..." spin is at maximum RPM.

Between now and the The State of the Union address in January - bush* will be making a series of speeches to bolster his poll numbers - hoping that his coat tails will be long enough for Republicans to 'safely' ride going into the November 2006 midterm elections. He will be talking about border safety, Alito's nomination and most likely the same cut/paste phrases regarding Iraq with a spin on an "exit plan".

In the past couple of weeks - the Senate passed a resolution requiring "updates" on Iraq. The White House didn't like that. An amendment was attached to another bill regarding torture practices - The White House didn't like that. John Murtha called for a "timely withdrawal" from Iraq - The White House didn't like that. The White House's responsed in a typical fashion by pooh-poohing, throwing mud and smearing it's critics.

Now after two weeks of slamming critics, name calling, spinning and trying to squash the issue -- the White House has a "similar plan". Don't know what the fuss is all about.....

Had Enough?

bush* has stated many times he doesn't govern by polls. He's not lying about that - he doesn't govern by polls, but he does govern by politics. The politics of divide and conquer, the politics of diversion, the politics of bait and switch, the politics of discredit and smear his critics, the politics of fear. The "reverse course" exit plan is a response that his "politics as usual" is no longer working.

People are united, for the moment, in believing bush* lied about why we invaded Iraq. People are not being easily diverted from the issue of exiting Iraq. People are not taking the bait. More importantly - people are not taking every word that drops from bush* as gospel. People have had enough - for now.

Will this last? Has the tide turned? Has the drip-drip-drip of scandals and lies created a tsunami? Or will bush* be able to command the politcal waters and reverse the currents?

It's going to depend on whether or not people have really had enough.

Winter has arrived. Cold weather is setting in and many people do not have the money to heat their home, many more will find it exceedingly difficult to heat their homes. Choices will need to be made -- do I heat my home, buy food or get my medication refilled?

Venezuala's President Chavez is sending heating oil to the US to help OUR poor. OUR own oil companies boast record profits, the Republican congress turns a blind eye to our most needy. Where's the outrage? The United States of America, the most powerful country on the planet, is receiving foreign aid for our own poor. And what are the compassionate conservatives of the White House saying? Nothing.

Had Enough?

The Republican Congress is set to cut funding to programs which help OUR poor. The reasoning goes like this "In order to pay for rebuilding communities damaged by Katrina - funding for programs which help the poor will be reduced". It's robbing Peter to pay Paul. Or more to the point - robbing the poor to pay croney companies.

But not to worry - The Republican Congress is also poised for more taxcuts for the WEALTHY. More trickle down spin.

Had Enough? Not yet?

How about the White House connections to the Plame leak? The Abramoff investigation connection to Republican legislators? The lies that led to invading Iraq? The no-bid contracts to Halliburton and other croney companies? Over 2,100 members of our military dead, over 15,000 wounded/maimed? War drums beating at Iran and Syria - looks like these countries are next on bush*'s hit list? A federal budget deficit of $300 billion. Give-aways, bailouts and tax breaks to corporations. Kickbacks and "gifts" from lobby groups and special interests.

Haven't we had enough?

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1/26/06 addendum
add illegal wiretapping, refusal to disclose Katrina documents to the list. Meanwhile - bush* in "now concerned" about bin-laden just in time for pre-midterm campaigning, and Rove promises to make Terra-terra-terra the centerpiece issue for GOPer's running for office. Had enough now?

on edit: medicare prescription snafu.... What about now? had enough?

[mopaul]

7. it will be interesting to find out when enough is enough

and by that time it will be too late most likeley