WHEN HE TURNS HIMSELF IN HE EXPECTS YOU TO FOLLOW THE RULES TOO!

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DU Friends:

I just stumbled across this fascinating Vietnam war era audio clip from Armed Forces Radio Vietnam (AFVN) while web browsing that bears special listening to in light of the recent bill to legalize torture.

I thought this bit of audio history was quite interesting and enlightening regarding torture then vs. torture now:

http://www.manchu.org/sounds/afvn.ram

Transcript (I did my best, some words are unintelligible):

"This is the American Forces Vientnam network. This is AFVN tune in the American fighting man 24 hours a tday from the Delta to the DMZ with transmitters in Quang Tri, Da Nang, Quy Nho'n, Play Ku and Nha Trang with the key network station in Saigon Vietnam.

Striking a blow at the enemy without endangering yourself is hard to do. There is a way though. We call it the Chieu Hoi program. Every day thousands of leaflets are dropped along known and suspected enemy trails urging the enemy soldier to turn himself in.

HE'S PROMISED FAIR TREATMENT AND GOVERNMENT PROTECTION IF HE DOES SO. WHEN HE TURNS HIMSELF IN HE EXPECTS YOU TO FOLLOW THE RULES TOO!." (Emphasis added.)

Admittedly there was torture, assassination and tiger cages in Vietnam and we did many bad things in that country but torture, at least was not official nor legalized as it has just been made so this last week by the Congress.

Chieu Hoi = Vietnamese for "open arms"

Apparently our leaders, as bad as they were, had a lot more common sense THEN than they do now.

Doug D.

More on Chieu Hoi:

http://www.psywarrior.com/VNFlagSCP.html

The United States and its allies dropped over 50 billion leaflets on Vietnam. Many of them were safe conduct passes. These passes have been used in every war in recent history and were used in Biblical times, during Medieval times, and even in the American Indian wars. It is very powerful form of propaganda. It allows an enemy to defect with the absolute knowledge that he will be treated fairly and his life and safety are guaranteed.

During the Vietnam War, the United States produced a series of safe conduct passes depicting the flag of the Republic of (South)Vietnam with other allied flags, to encourage defection of Viet Cong and North Vietnamese troops. These safe conduct passes and their various vignettes also appeared on other airdropped leaflets. The passes and leaflets were produced under the jurisdiction of the Joint United States Public Affairs Office (JUSPAO).
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Both Viet Cong and North Vietnamese defectors and prisoners gave Saigon's safe conduct pass high credibility. Many cited it as an influential element in their decision to lay down their arms.
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[Sydnie]

1. Kick n/t

[ComerPerro]

2. That's a good way to frame it

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3. Thanks n/t

[PsychoDad]

4. Thanks to Bush, Rummy, Rice, Liberman...

And our staunch Dems who voted for the bill, there are no longer ANY rules.

As per order of the decider, everyone is entitled to interpet article III of the Genevea Conventions in their own way.

Support the troops.. buy a sticker but screw their safety.

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5. Don't worry Lt. Rogers your own gov't doesn't even consider this torture

[SammyWinstonJack]

7. If it doesn't cause organ failure or result it death, we don't.

:banghead:

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6. nt

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8. nt