This is GREAT! William Kristol getting lambasted at U TX Austin 10/3/06

[tk2kewl]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3814721269070440146&sourceid=zeitgeist

[Submariner]

1. I wish I was in the auditorium

I wanted someone (hopefully a veteran) to ask Kristol "What does it feel like to be a draft-dodging yellow-bellied chickenhawk coward and STILL want to send thousands to their deaths in Iraq and Iran?" Huh...???

[Swamp Rat]

3. Does that pansy Kristol have kids 18 yrs old and older?

If so, they should be on the next C-130 headed for Bagram, etc.

[Smarmie Doofus]

2. Interesting. I'm not sure about the "Bildenberg"...

...references. What's that all about?

[Rainscents]

4. Bildenberg and PNAC is one organization and that is the point guy

was trying to point out. Bildenberg is the who had been pushing for one world order since 1955, it's only the elites are allow to attend this meeting every year.

[redacted]

5. The professor was on the attendee list for the last conference.

As soon as the crowd "outed" him he called for the police. Incredible.

[Rainscents]

7. Interesting... no wonder why, guy got kicked iut in hurry.

[Critters2]

25. The Bilderberg Group is a body which holds secret meetings

to discuss international politics. It's named for the Hotel Bilderberg in Arnhem, the Netherlands, where it's first meeting was held. That first meeting was to discuss anti-Americanism in Europe and American/European relations in general. Meetings since then have been held in secret with no minutes or public reports. All of which leads to much speculation as to what they're up to. Lots of PNAC types are involved, so there seems to be a Neo-con leaning.

But Bilderberg is not a guy.

[Rainscents]

34. But Bilderberg is not a guy.

I know that. What I was trying to say, a man who got kicked out because he mentioned Bilderberg. Sorry, I should had been more clear. :hi:

[Critters2]

51. My bad. Sorry. nt

[windbreeze]

32. Let ME get this straight....

ARE you saying that Bilderbergers and PNAC'ers are the same people?? I just need to understand what you are saying...
windbreeze

[Rainscents]

33. Yes, they're working together.

Do internet search or go to Alex Jones web site. He has lot os info about Bildenberg and this is where, I learned about them.

[windbreeze]

35. You do realize

some very well known Democrats are Bilderbergers, right? ....The reason I really asked...is because I never heard anyone before ever say they are the same people...interesting thought...
Have you ever checked out the Council on Foreign Relations? Google that one...
wb

[Critters2]

52. There's some overlap

Bilderbergers are secretive enough that anything anyone says about them is speculation.

[Jcrowley]

8. Excellent smackdown

and that bastard Kristol just smiles while he sends off the lambs to the slaughter. Smilin' to hide the fact that he was sweating bullets and pissin' pants.

Google Bilderberg Conference

[arikara]

14. Its actually Bilderberg

Do some research, the whole thing is pretty ugly.

[icymist]

6. From The Daily Texan Online:

Protests, insults disrupt Kristol 9/11 speech

A speech by William Kristol, former chief of staff for former vice president Dan Quayle and editor of The Weekly Standard magazine, turned hostile Tuesday when students began hurling insults at Kristol, alleging his and the U.S. government's complicity in the Sept. 11 attacks.

"9/11 is your Pearl Harbor," said one student protestor, referring to a pre-Sept. 11 statement released by the Project for a New American Century, a conservative think tank Kristol chairs.

In a Sept. 2000 report titled "Rebuilding America's Defenses, " the group wrote, "Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor."

Some of the student protestors are members of the new UT student organization, Project for the New American Citizen, but the group did not officially organize the protest, said founder Matt Dayton. The nonpartisan, anti-imperialism group encourages people to seek out truthful information regarding the U.S. government's policies and actions, said Dayton, an art studio and radio-television-film junior. The group's name is a counter to Kristol's neoconservative think tank.

Read the article

[bvar22]

9. Kristol = Sociopath!

For video PROOF, go here:

http://www.crooksandliars.com/index.php?s=Kristol


My question for William Kristol:

Mr Kristol,
you are aware that the propagandists for the 3rd Reich stood in the Dock at Nuremberg alongside the other NAZI War Criminals. Did you breathe a sigh of relief last week when Congress passed Blanket Retroactive Immunity for Republican War Criminals?

:rofl:

[vssmith]

13. Kristol = Zionist!

[Behind the Aegis]

19. so?

[vssmith]

36. It goes to motive

Why else has he encouraged the US to: invade Iraq and set up permanent bases, start war with Iran etc etc

[Behind the Aegis]

41. It doesn't go to motive at all.

Someone being a zionist doesn't go to motive for the things you have listed. He is Jewish, but I don't know if he is a zionist or not. They are not interchangeable terms, nor do all zionists support the military action in Iraq or the threats to Iran.

[vssmith]

48. I should have used a more more precise term...

Pro-Likud

I know what a Zionist is. One doesn't have to be Jewish to be one and not all Jews are Zionists.

[Behind the Aegis]

50. Still irrelevant.

"Pro-Likud"

You do know that Likud is no longer the majority party, yes? Is he a war-monger? Yeah. Does it have anything to do with Israel? Perhaps. Does it need to be mentioned every time his name emerges? No.

Be very careful with the misuse of Zionist.

[aquart]

45. Well, perhaps you could explain it to a fool like me.

How could the desire to see a Jewish homeland be helped by the invasion of Iraq? What positive excellent thing has it done for Israel? Please enumerate all the benefits to Israel of this expansion of American hegemony.

[Jim Sagle]

40. So he's a Zionist, so fuckin' what? So am I.

[Phrogman]

42. Why do you feel you've got to post something like that?

What is your reason?

[Jim Sagle]

43. I don't like it when someone uses the word "Zionist" as an ugly slur.

I don't like it AT ALL!

[aquart]

46. Neither do I.

Thanks for speaking up, Jim.

Time for the creepy crawlies to go scurrying back under their slimy rocks.

[vssmith]

49. Careful-- you will give creepy crawlies a bad name!

[redacted]

10. For another good clip see this thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2329383&mesg_id=2329383

In this one, we're talking overturned tables and the neocon asshole speaker physically kicked out of the hall. And crybaby Young Repubs complaining about how liberals are so "uncivilized."

I guess if you're "civilized" you don't have to go fight in Iraq. What a bastard.

[Jcrowley]

12. excellent

Thanks for that. You can keep decorum, remain calm and "civilized" but once they get into the boardrooms and war rooms it's bombs away and there ready to kill at the drop of a dime. Well have someone else kill for them and then have a nice civilized dinner out on the town. Well Manicured Psycopaths.

-Why is it unheard of for someone to call a politician or corporate CEO a liar? Why do we instead hear terms such as "they are not telling the whole story", "he needs to come clean" or "he is misrepresenting the facts"?

-Why do massive demonstrations (Feb 15, 2003 for example) seem to end with people walking away, planning the next event, and feeling re-energized?

-Why are we not flooded with images in our mainstream media of Iraqi and Afghani children killed by coalition troops, or for that matter dead or injured U.S. soldiers?

-Why have so many been turned off by the confrontational work of the rather dishevelled-looking Michael Moore? Has he not been seen lately making his rounds on late night television clean-shaven in a suit and tie?

-Why does an increasing cynicism of the U.S. intervention in Iraq not translate into wholesale changes in staff or policy?

I think that the answer -at least in part- lies in the shallow North American notion of decency, morality and civility. We have, in some ways, gone from being citizens to consumers, and lost a meaningful connection to deeper issues, particularly those that don't appear to impact us directly.

<snip>

Is this civility? In this harsh new world we are putting politeness and decorum above substance. Our attention is focused on how the homeless person smells, as opposed to looking at the issue of affordable housing. Sure, we can send books and care packages to U.S. soldiers in Iraq, but we cannot call the Bush administration a pack of liars for manufacturing their case for the invasion. For days last month, the image of a U.S. soldier holding a blood-soaked Iraqi child made the media circuit, but no such image of an Iraqi parent with their blood-soaked child is appropriate material. It is clear that we can tolerate a bland John Kerry or a challenged George Bush, but not an emotional Howard Dean.

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=7930

[Raksha]

31. Very good article - thanks for the link.

I especially like this part:

I think that the answer -at least in part- lies in the shallow North American notion of decency, morality and civility. We have, in some ways, gone from being citizens to consumers, and lost a meaningful connection to deeper issues, particularly those that don't appear to impact us directly.

We have...gone from being citizens to consumers...

Absolutely true! If that only meant we've become consumers of material things it would be bad enough, but the statement goes well beyond simple materialism. Being a "consumer" means becoming PASSIVE in all aspects of life. It means becoming willing to be spoon-fed absolutely everything, including news (information) and even religion--this being the most dangerous form of passivity there is. It means being willing to be spoon-fed basic values instead of using the discernment of a truly free human being.

Consumerism as a substitute for conscience. Scary thought!

[jefferson_dem]

11. Not cool, in my opinion. I freaking hate Kristol and his war-mongering ilk

and i can support public displays of discontent...agitation. But i cannot celebrate the wild-eyed, hysterical shouting down of people who are invited to speak in public forums. That is, provided there is a question-answer period when knuckle-dragging Kristol types can be forced to defend their assertions and be exposed for the scum they really are. Sorry, but free speech is not a one-way proposition.

[Subdivisions]

15. With all due respect...

bullshit. Sorry to be so blunt because I do partly agree with you. But I have to say this:

Some people don't deserve respect and Kristol is our enemy!

Thanks. Peace out! :headbang:

[Critters2]

18. The only people who came out looking bad in this clip were

those who wouldn't let him speak. He was cool and collected, they were jerks. Some way to beat your enemy.

[Subdivisions]

26. I digress. I am a victim of the venom that courses through my

veins when I think about what the Neo Cons have done to this once great nation. If I had been in that room, you'd be making these same comments about me and I would have been thrown out of their myself.

[Critters2]

29. I would have confronted Kristol with his lies and PNAC propaganda

during the Q and A....long after you had lost your opportunity to speak by getting yourself thrown out.

[Critters2]

17. I agree

I hate Kristol and all that he stands for. And in a forum like that shown, I would have told him so--loudly and clearly, but during the Q and A period.

Today I've seen two instances of progressive students on university campuses shouting down speakers with whom they disagreed. This strikes me as a disturbing trend. We need to be the side of each argument that allows dissent and a variety of viewpoints. If we have truth on our side, we can allow others to speak. Truth will out.

And then there's the argument that, if we treat them this way, there's no reason for them to be any kinder toward us. Let Kristol and the Minutemen guy and anyone else speak. And then challenge them at the appropriate moment in the appropriate way.

If nothing else, it leaves us looking a lot less like neanderthals.

[Jcrowley]

24. Power cedes nothing without a struggle

War criminals and architects of mass murder deserve no respect and no civility. Kristol is a well-manicured and a 'civil' psycopath who deserves much worse than what he got.

Maybe our problem is "An Excess of Civility"

Feb 15, 2003 may be remembered as one of the greatest single days in the history of public protest, as millions gathered across the globe to demonstrate their opposition to the Invasion of Iraq. Reflecting on this peaceful day, Arundhati Roy made an observation that non-violent resistance is becoming symbolic and that governments have simply learned to wait it out. "Unless civil disobedience becomes real, not symbolic, there is very little hope for change" and very little chance to do damage to empire. (Roy, The Checkbook and the Cruise Missile, 2004)

<snip>

-Why is it unheard of for someone to call a politician or corporate CEO a liar? Why do we instead hear terms such as "they are not telling the whole story",  "he needs to come clean" or "he is misrepresenting the facts"?

-Why do massive demonstrations (Feb 15, 2003 for example) seem to end with people walking away, planning the next event, and feeling re-energized?

-Why are we not flooded with images in our mainstream media of Iraqi and Afghani children killed by coalition troops, or for that matter dead or injured U.S. soldiers?

-Why have so many been turned off by the confrontational work of the rather dishevelled-looking Michael Moore? Has he not been seen lately making his rounds on late night television clean-shaven in a suit and tie?

-Why does an increasing cynicism of the U.S. intervention in Iraq not translate into wholesale changes in staff or policy?

I think that the answer -at least in part- lies in the shallow North American notion of decency, morality and civility. We have, in some ways, gone from being citizens to consumers, and lost a meaningful connection to deeper issues, particularly those that don't appear to impact us directly.

In many jurisdictions of North America, some ominous trends -and in many cases accompanying legislation- are taking root:
                         
-the creation of  "no-go" zones at peaceful demonstrations
-new legislation to stop panhandling on street-corners
-by-laws to crack down on homeless and squeegee kids
-the Patriot Act and other "anti-terror" legislation
-severe cuts to income assistance and services for families and children
-xenophobia at Canadian, Mexican and U.S. borders

Is this civility? In this harsh new world we are putting politeness and decorum above substance. Our attention is focused on how the homeless person smells, as opposed to looking at the issue of affordable housing. Sure, we can send books and care packages to U.S. soldiers in Iraq, but we cannot call the Bush administration a pack of liars for manufacturing their case for the invasion. For days last month, the image of a U.S. soldier holding a blood-soaked Iraqi child made the media circuit, but no such image of an Iraqi parent with their blood-soaked child is appropriate material. It is clear that we can tolerate a bland John Kerry or a challenged George Bush, but not an emotional Howard Dean.

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=7930

[Critters2]

28. Ghandi removed the British Empire from India

without shouting people down in public meetings. Martin Luther King led the civil rights movement with very strict rules about public conduct.

And you have all my support in calling the Bush Administration a pack of liars. During the Q and A.

[redacted]

38. Not so sure about that Critters

I hate to disagree because like you, I'm involved with animal rescue as well.

However, with respect, I need to point out that "polite discussions" will never get on the 11PM news, and won't get any attention on YouTube or Google Video. At least a not-so-polite discussion as a chance. We know their bullshit positions anyway, and by being polite with them, you're only giving them the opportunity to further spread their lies--as if they don't already have enough opportunities! After all, they control the discussion on the corporate media and Limbaugh spreads his lies daily on 600 stations.

I don't think that raising one's voice to demonstrate strength and courage of convictions is necessarily evil. I don't think that's disturbing at all, and I HOPE it's a trend. It was certainly effective against Lyndon Johnson in '68. And I'm not sure how many other options they've left us with at this stage that from a practical standpoint might be effective as long as we're fighting this kind of brutal media control. Polite discussions in this environment, to me, seem rather pointless, and I just don't see how much, if anything, they could possibly accomplish.

[bigbrother05]

16. kick

[dogday]

20. See Texas does something right

sometimes...

[ComerPerro]

21. Why does the "Never Forget" crowd

always jump to tell us to "get over it" when we want to investigate what happened?

[Behind the Aegis]

22. What are you talking about? Who are they?

[ComerPerro]

23. at the beginning, he was making some vague reference

to why more investigations aren't really needed.

Or did I hear him incorrectly?

[Behind the Aegis]

27. I think you are right.

That is why I asked, because I wasn't sure what you were referencing.

[ComerPerro]

30. was thinking to myself

"wow, if he didn't say that, my comment probably sounded really weird"


EDIT: and, for the record, "they" obviously refers to the voices in my head.

[Chomskyite]

37. Not good

When those of us on the Left act exactly how the Right wants us to, we deliver them a huge huge victory.

[texasleo]

39. agreed. the "spoiled hippie" stereotype gets fed well

sadly

[Mind_your_head]

44. K & R ...... very interesting.....well worth watching! n/t

[redacted]

47. KRISTOL VIDEO NOW #21 IN YOUTUBE RATINGS