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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-03-06 05:59 PM Original message |
What about sexual contact with a kid 16 and up? (Aravosis nails it) |
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Greybnk48 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-03-06 06:01 PM Response to Original message |
1. Excellent, K&R n/t |
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hedda_foil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-03-06 06:01 PM Response to Original message |
2. Tweety said the same thing right after the bogus press conf. |
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texasleo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-03-06 06:02 PM Response to Original message |
3. and he was "molested" from age 13-15. Strange that his page was 16. |
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DaveJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-03-06 06:03 PM Response to Original message |
4. Glad that's settled... |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-03-06 06:07 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. No one is excusing the behavior. |
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DaveJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-03-06 06:10 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. Understood... |
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The Velveteen Ocelot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-03-06 06:04 PM Response to Original message |
5. Yup. If you really want to get technical, a pedophile is somebody who |
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Skidmore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-03-06 06:04 PM Response to Original message |
6. Begs the question indeed. He preys on minor children and |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-03-06 06:05 PM Response to Original message |
7. Mark Foley is an ephebophile. |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-03-06 06:07 PM Response to Original message |
9. Sorry.. If you need a parent's signature on a consent form |
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sunnystarr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-03-06 07:35 PM Response to Reply #9 |
42. I just wanted to add ... |
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DaveJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-03-06 06:07 PM Response to Original message |
10. Don't foget the alchohol... |
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Swede Atlanta (906 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-03-06 06:07 PM Response to Original message |
11. Let's "reframe" the issue |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-03-06 06:13 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. Well, I have to say I'd love how he'll explain the alcohol aspect |
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tsuki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-03-06 06:19 PM Response to Reply #11 |
21. Parents send their children to learn about the workings of a democracy. |
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Carni (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-03-06 06:30 PM Response to Reply #11 |
29. Foley's type was commonly known as a *dirty old man* in my day |
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elehhhhna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-03-06 06:55 PM Response to Reply #11 |
39. thank you for an excellent post and |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-03-06 06:12 PM Response to Original message |
13. the average person that reads this or hears it |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-03-06 06:18 PM Response to Reply #13 |
19. Oh, of course, but John's point was that the lawyer was trying to |
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The Wielding Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-03-06 06:26 PM Response to Reply #19 |
28. Not against their will, you can't! If they were in a vulnerable position |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-03-06 06:32 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. That issue hasn't come to the fore and no accusations have yet been made |
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Swede Atlanta (906 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-03-06 06:18 PM Response to Reply #13 |
20. Agree on that level |
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Oeditpus Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-03-06 06:12 PM Response to Original message |
14. I doubt most voters will care |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-03-06 06:33 PM Response to Reply #14 |
31. Hey, he's not running,..he's out of it. His lawyer is trying like hell to |
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Oeditpus Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-03-06 06:37 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. Yeah, but in the bigger picture |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-03-06 06:39 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. Oh sure, but in the context of this thread, it's what the lawyer is doing |
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Oeditpus Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-03-06 06:55 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. Okay |
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Lone_Star_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-03-06 06:14 PM Response to Original message |
16. Well thought out! K&R |
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intheflow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-03-06 06:17 PM Response to Original message |
17. If he's talking about hard ons with 16-y-o's, that's sexual contact. |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-03-06 06:48 PM Response to Reply #17 |
37. Talking about hardons is sexual contact? So what about all those |
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intheflow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-03-06 07:18 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. There's a difference between alluding to sex in an ad and |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-03-06 09:03 PM Response to Reply #40 |
45. That happened to me too, many times. I just said 'no thanks' |
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intheflow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-03-06 10:24 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. Not permanently scarred, but |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-03-06 11:43 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. I guess I understant, mostly...or some |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-04-06 06:43 AM Response to Reply #17 |
60. So, Sex-Ed Teachers are engaging in "sexual contact" with teens? |
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progdonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-03-06 06:17 PM Response to Original message |
18. Exactly, whenever one of these Repub lawyers say ANYTHING... |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-03-06 06:19 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. Or that the kid was thirteen when it happened!!! |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-03-06 06:20 PM Response to Original message |
23. I read that 5 times and can't see any point. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-03-06 06:22 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. The point is the lawyer is playing word games to mitigate his client's |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-03-06 06:37 PM Response to Reply #25 |
33. The way you pasted the article didn't make it clear who was saying what. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-03-06 06:40 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. The entire paste is from John's blog, without commentary |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-03-06 06:46 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. No, not with commentary but with no way to separate quotes from opinion. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-04-06 07:44 AM Response to Reply #36 |
61. Uh, the way I copied and pasted was EXACTLY as it appeared |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-03-06 10:24 PM Response to Reply #25 |
50. It doesn't matter what his lawyer says on TV |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-04-06 07:58 AM Response to Reply #50 |
62. Well, of course |
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BlueEyedSon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-03-06 06:21 PM Response to Original message |
24. He's a hebephile (or ephebophile). Look it up. |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-03-06 06:23 PM Response to Original message |
26. The lawyer sure seems to be admitting a lot with his parsing. |
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truthisfreedom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-03-06 06:26 PM Response to Original message |
27. San Diego. don't forget San DIego! if he had sex with a minor there, |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-03-06 10:26 PM Response to Reply #27 |
51. I've been waiting for someone to Google up... |
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Egalitariat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-03-06 07:21 PM Response to Original message |
41. Has anybody alleged that he committed a crime? |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-03-06 11:44 PM Response to Reply #41 |
53. He has already been convicted and sentenced. Didn't you notice? |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-04-06 09:00 AM Response to Reply #41 |
65. Well, lots of folks are shouting "criminal" |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-03-06 07:39 PM Response to Original message |
43. The best response is: "No minors? Okay, what about juveniles?" n/t |
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buddysmellgood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-03-06 08:55 PM Response to Original message |
44. Call talk radio programs and ask about Republicans and pedophilia. Say |
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MissMarple (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-03-06 09:13 PM Response to Original message |
46. Two things: position of trust and internet communication. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-04-06 08:26 AM Response to Reply #46 |
64. No, not anymore. In 1983, I think, they changed the rule |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-03-06 09:40 PM Response to Original message |
47. The lawyer if full of shit on two counts |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-03-06 10:20 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. "Sexual Contact" is defined in 18 USC 2246 by the terms of the Walsh Act |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-04-06 02:37 AM Response to Reply #48 |
55. That's not what we're talking about |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-04-06 06:35 AM Response to Reply #55 |
58. Impressive |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-04-06 08:04 AM Response to Reply #47 |
63. States' rights, perhaps? |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-04-06 02:06 AM Response to Original message |
54. Exactly. Foley had sex with at least a few 16 to 17-year-olds. n/t |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-04-06 02:50 AM Response to Reply #54 |
56. I think you're right |
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radfringe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-04-06 04:30 AM Response to Original message |
57. Below 16, you're a minor. 16 and up, you're not a minor. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-04-06 06:41 AM Response to Reply #57 |
59. Not in DC or FL |
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