Killing is being done by US backed death squads from the Interior Ministry

[NNN0LHI]

That is what I heard Michael Ware report from Baghdad a few minutes ago on CNN.

I guess that is how the death squads with the electric drills get around Baghdad so well without being noticed.

:scared:

Don

[MrModerate]

1. US-backed in a very general way . . .

More like out of control. I think this is different from El Salvador, et al, where we were actively training death squads in their craft. I think these guys already know how to use an electric drill.

I do wonder, though, how they charge the damn things with the power out most of the day

[EFerrari]

6. My friend wrote a book that argues, BushCo has imported

the very tactics they used in Nicaragua and El Salvodor pretty directly into Iraq. She covered the situation in those countries extensively when they were happening.

[Virginia Dare]

18. Negroponte's fingerprints?...n/t

[EFerrari]

20. Yes and others -- aren't the Iran-Contra guys all still around? n/t

[gratuitous]

33. Negroponte, Elliot Abrams, Otto Reich

Yep, the gang's all here!

[EFerrari]

34. And, the rest of them have turned media guys like Ollie North.

You have a good memory, gratuitous! Mine wouldn't give me their names.

Btw, I just heard a WJ CSPAN caller insist that Iran is supplying the "insurgency" in Iraq.

Now, in all likelihood, *we* are directly or indirectly responsible for most of the violence there. But this is very similar to Reagan's claims that Nicaragua was funding the "rebels" in El Salvador, isn't it? In fact, the "Contras" were bought and paid for by US tax dollars.

Another similarity: The Ortega government was in constant talks with the so called "Contra" leaders but Raygunz claimed they were not as a way to justify the funding. And I seem to remember that Iran was attempting to talk to Junior a few months ago but the Cabal has claimed this whole time that they refuse to negotiate.

Back to the future.

[EFerrari]

35. Oh -- and Poindexter. Total information Poindexter. n/t

[rman]

23. I'd say they use those kinds of tactics anywhere where they think

it serves their purposes and where they think they can get away with it.
The same principal was applied in Europe after WW2 (see "Gladio" http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1966516&mesg_id=1967008)

[EFerrari]

27. That makes sense to me. I'd like to see that. n/t

[NNN0LHI]

7. They have electrical power in the Green Zone 24/7

I am not suggesting these guys didn't know how to use a drill before we got there.

But it does appear these guys are drilling heads with the tacit approval of our government.

Don

[MrModerate]

24. In actual fact, I met one of the original trainers . . .

Of Iraqi security forces when I was in Baghdad in the fall of 2003. He was a real piece of work, and demonstrably proud of his work in Central America ten years or so previously. He gave a presentation to our whole group there, and I wanted to ask the obvious question -- "Are you training them the same way you did the death squads of El Salvador?" But since I wanted to keep my job, I held my peace. I'm not particularly proud of that moment.

On the other hand, I don't think these militias needed much guidance from us to select their methods or their targets. Iraqi society has been so brutalized for so long, that the sorts of acts we're seeing now could easily have been predicted before the invasion. And in fact were predicted as an inevitable outcome of the invasion -- but no one with power to stop the enterprise bothered to listen.

[mom cat]

30. Rechargable cordless drills.

:grr:

[dollydew]

2. Death Squads

Many here predicted that the death squads would come with Negroponte. Unfortunately, they were right.

[tnlefty]

3. Welcome to DU, dollydew!

Negroponte is such a nice man with such good intentions I don't understand how you could say such a thing about him :sarcasm: :hi:

[bluerum]

4. If the american people knew 1% of the violence that the military

sponsors, backs, supports, enables, and equips their jaws would hit the floor.

So much of what happens is under the radar and covert for that very reason. The people do not want or need to know. They want to live in their warm little house with the flowers out front and forget about the misery that their government is responsible for.

But the world will hold us the people responsible, not the government.

And people wonder why Americans are reviled.

[malaise]

5. Negroponte

was there -what else do you expect.

[truth2power]

8. As soon as Negroponte showed up, I knew

what was going to happen, and said as much.

No surprise here.

[DemonFighterLives]

9. Not surprised

Many questionable and false flag operations have gone ou under our noses.

This explains why w is always so happy. More death- eh,eh smirk
:dem:

[leftchick]

10. they actually bragged about it last year...

El Salvador-style 'death squads' to be deployed by US against Iraq militants

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,11069-1433353,00.html

Under the so-called “El Salvador option”, Iraqi and American forces would be sent to kill or kidnap insurgency leaders, even in Syria, where some are thought to shelter.

The plans are reported in this week’s Newsweek magazine as part of Pentagon efforts to get US forces in Iraq on to the front foot against an enemy that is apparently getting the better of them.


Iyad Allawi, the interim Iraqi Prime Minister, was said to be one of the most vigorous supporters of the plan.

The Pentagon declined to comment, but one insider told Newsweek: “What everyone agrees is that we can’t just go on as we are. We have to find a way to take the offensive against the insurgents. Right now, we are playing defence. And we are losing.”

[EFerrari]

14. This is the book I mentioned above. I haven't read it

but I heard Roxanne talking on BookTv and it sounded interesting if something this awful can be interesting.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0896087417/sr=1-7/qid=1156344180/ref=sr_1_7/104-4470254-9397525?ie=UTF8&s=books

[leftchick]

29. thanks

it is good to learn of the US terrorism in other countries.

[YankeyMCC]

11. Can't even f things up in original ways

Tried and true establishment techniques...except they never learn it doesn't work...or maybe I'm being naive I guess it does work long enough for them (them being 'the powers that be') doesn't matter how much it doesn't work for the general population.

[CollegeDUer]

12. We won't even know the half of how much blood we have on our hands

in Iraq. 30 years from now it'll all be declassified and we'll be saying "that was bad, but TODAY is different." Then we'll do it again.

[M155Y_A1CH]

13. More info:

This is the skinny from The Washington Institute for Near East Policy:


"While U.S. and coalition forces—and increasingly the Iraqi Security Forces (ISF)—struggle to defeat the Sunni insurgency in Iraq, they are also dealing with a range of armed groups that complicate the security scenario. Militias and ad hoc units with different levels of government sanction are growing in strength, and the training of the ISF is progressing unevenly. While it is not possible to conduct a comprehensive survey of both independent groups and ISF units, a sampling of less publicized units illustrates how diffuse military power in Iraq has become.
snip:
Former interior minister Jabr and Shiite religious leaders maintain that these attacks are being carried out by outsiders who have stolen police uniforms and that the death squads are emerging from private security agencies, such as the Facility Protection Service, rather than from Interior Ministry forces. However, the frequency of these murders and the fact that police are often recruited from their local militias suggests that militias are working within the Interior Ministry and increasing sectarian violence.
snip:
Some police and army units within the ISF have moved away from their original training and developed independent and often problematic methods of operation. A variety of notable Police Command Units, such as the Scorpion, Tiger, and Thunder Brigades, were formed by the former interior minister Falah al-Naqib, a Sunni, in summer 2004 without the consent of U.S. commanders. These forces originally drew praise as effective Iraqi security initiatives and for their success in counterterrorism operations, but their high level of independence and reputation for brutality are causes for concern."

found at: http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/templateC05.php?CID=2507

Unfortunately too old for LBN :(

[oc2002]

15. This is not a War, it is a Slaughter of people in Iraq.

Death squads backed by Washington's knowledge...oh, snap, who would of thought of that one! John Negroponte?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Negroponte

[nashville_brook]

16. see Harper's august... Ken Silverstein: The Minister of Civil War

"By any reasonable measure, Iraq is in a state of civil war, and some of its most ruthless and lawless combatants are members of the government's own security units.

"The rise of the death squads corresponds almost precisely to the April 2005 appointment of Bayan Jabr as interior minister in Iraq's transitional government."

http://www.harpers.org/the-minister-of-civil-war-399309.html

[nashville_brook]

17. here's a link:

http://www.harpers.org/the-minister-of-civil-war-399309.html

[magellan]

19. Riverbend reported the Interior Ministry activities starting last November

http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/2005_11_01_riverbendblog_archive.html

snip...
And another thing- you know when they say 'men dressed in Ministry of Interior uniforms' or 'men in official cars claiming to be from the Ministry of Interior', etc. when describing some horror committed by the new Iraqi security forces in the news? Here's a thought: they aren't 'claiming' and they aren't in costume- they actually ARE from the Ministry of Interior! One would think they'd do this covertly so as not to enrage Iraqis or humanitarian organisations, except that it doesn't matter to them because SCIRI and Da'awa aren't out to win hearts and minds. They have American favor- what more does one need in the New Iraq?

For over a year corpses have been turning up all over Baghdad. Corpses of people who are taken from their homes in the middle of the night (lately they've been more brazen- they just do everything in the light of day), and turn up dead somewhere. That isn't as disturbing as the reports about the bodies- the one I can't get out of my head is that many of the corpses are found with holes in the skull left by an electric drill.

I guess the lucky ones go to Abu Ghraib...…

And it's not only 'suspected insurgents' who disappear- Iraqi security forces have been known to raid complete areas and detain any males from the ages of 12 to 60- especially in Sunni areas. Those 'suspected terrorists' that are rounded up and taken away- you know where they disappear to now.

Interior Minister Bayan Jabr (SCIRI Thug-Made-Government-Official-In-Italian-Suits) is mollifying Iraqis with this little gem,

...the group included Shiites as well as Sunnis...…

I'm sure we can all sleep better at night with the knowledge that SCIRI/Da'awa torturers don't discriminate according to religious sect- under the new constitution, American military guidance, and the blessings of the Pentagon- all Iraqis will be tortured equally.

[rman]

21. Small surprise. Would anyone be interested in seeing

Gladio - BBC Timewatch (1992)
http://www.thedossier.ukonline.co.uk/video_CIA.htm
Three-part series investigating the secret activities of 'stay behind' units in Europe after the Second World War. Exposes the clandestine terrorist activities of these groups in Belgium & Italy, and their involvement with the CIA. Directed by Allan Francovich.

[Name removed]

22. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Name removed]

25. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Canuckistanian]

26. Negroponte

It's all Negroponte, the name now synonymous with "death squad".

[leveymg]

31. Juan "Mano Blanco" Negroponte

[kiki]

28. Here's a "DUer"...

...who thinks the death squads ROCK!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2793507&mesg_id=2794078

What a contemptible little turd.

[GeorgeGist]

32. Murder by proxy...

the neocon coward's wetdream.