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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 07:29 PM
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Chelsea Clinton is so beautiful. Here's a screen cap from her dad's...
...60th birthday celebration.

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greatauntoftriplets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 07:31 PM
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1. Where were they???
That's a great family photo and a beautiful backdrop.
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LonelyLRLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 07:39 PM
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11. Looks like taken at the Clinton Pres. Center
Backdrop would be view of Arkansas River.
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greatauntoftriplets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 07:58 PM
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29. It looks like the ocean to me...
a barrier island beyond the first narrow bit of water, then open water. How wide is the Arkansas River?
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INDIA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 09:06 PM
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52. Edgartown Mass? MV? Looks like it. n/t
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 04:19 PM
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125. It does, a bit. I was just in MV in July
with my grandchildren. I have some lovely evening shots taken there, including at South Beach where we swim and jump waves.
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Tinksrival Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 12:56 PM
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123. You gave me an excuse to post this pic from the Clinton Library
Thanks!

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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 07:31 PM
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2. And WHY isn't she in the Army in Iraq supporting the WAR both her
parents LOVE.. :grr:

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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 07:33 PM
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4. The well-heeled don't do war nt
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 07:37 PM
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9. So true she is making 6 figures on her name
:grr:

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ContraBass Black Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 07:57 PM
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28. No, she went to Ivy-league college and did well for herself.
Her name didn't buy her honors.
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 08:08 PM
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35. use what ya got
She's a house slave like the rest of us, and
she broke the big consultancy con game ring, so we'll see if she makes
partner for her sales, or whether she has a spine.

Life is long and she's young, good luck to her.
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 08:18 PM
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38. Can you name anybody fresh out of college who's first job salary is over
$100,000... I can not other than ppl like her.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 08:45 PM
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44. Actually, if you don't think that a lot of kids just getting out
of college are not making over $100,000 then you are not talking to the same kids I see all of the time. Honestly, some of them seem rather stupid (certainly not that smart) and start their very first jobs at $120-130,000.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 07:47 AM
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102. Well whoopty mother f***ing doo for them
Edited on Mon Aug-21-06 07:48 AM by YOY
Fresh out of a top grad school and speaking several languages and I can't find anything (after 2+ years of seeking) over 55K. I guess you're just surrounded by lucky little shits with connections. I frankly don't see who or what you are talking about.

Face it babe, she is where she is because of connections. It works for the pubs and it works for our rich and well connected.
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itcfish Donating Member (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 12:12 PM
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115. Where do you live?
Location Location Location.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 12:28 PM
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120. It's on my Profile
DC (Arlington to be specific)
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ShaneGR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 08:17 AM
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106. Stanford/Oxford grad??? 100k is on the low side
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 08:28 AM
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108. My brother...
:-|
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demigoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 04:28 PM
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127. i know someone making 83,000 right out of college and he did not go
to an Ivy league college, did not have Rhodes scholar parent, and did not have a big name in the big city. you can do it , you just have to apply yourself and have a few brains.
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DarkTirade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 03:37 AM
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138. I did have a few... but the dog ate them.
I suppose I should have put a lid on the jar.
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L A Woman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 02:13 PM
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142. Where on earth do you live?
That's not a very high salary! And she did graduate from two of the finest schools in the world - with honors.
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 09:57 PM
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69. well, no, she went to Stanford
not an Ivy. It was Barbara Bush who went to an Ivy League School (Yale). and then I think Oxford, but it might have been Cambridge. and if you don't think she used family connections to get her job, you're just being silly.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 04:22 PM
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126. Well, Stanford's great but not Ivy
at least I have never heard of it being called an Ivy League school. However, Stanford is terrific on its own. Your point is very well taken otherwise.
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Lindacooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 12:59 AM
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94. I don't waste my time getting angry at people who have nothing
to do with making policy. It's a foolish waste of time and energy.

Why are you so angry, anyway?
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 05:08 PM
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131. If I had that name, I'd totally use it for the cash. Be a fool not to.
What's the argument against it? That there was some other pampered Ivy Leaguer who got deprived of the job that she took from them? If someone's gonna make that kind of bread, it might as well be someone who's in favor of fixing the country's problems rather than just robbing us.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 09:53 PM
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 10:00 PM
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70. it's only fair to question why the Bush twins aren't at war
and wonder why the daughter of a Senator that supported the war isn't there as well. good for the goose and all that.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 10:31 PM
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75. Especially when THEIR father, NOT Clinton, started this damned war.
And I'll bet Chelsea actually worked for the grades she got, rather than getting in on a pass to go to a party school and drink and party like the bush twins did. Chelsea is a president's daughter I can respect - daughter of a president who actually won the office twice - FAIR AND SQUARE. You can't say that about the father of the bush twins. He only got in because he cheated. Probably the only way he got in anywhere. And good for Chelsea for turning into such a swan. A nice kick in the teeth to people like limbaugh who couldn't crow loudly or frequently enough about her as "the White House dog." I bet they're laughing out of the other side of their ugly faces now.
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:23 PM
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84. but her mother, you may recall
voted to authorize the war and continues to vote to spend money to pursue the conflict. right? why are the sins of the fathers passed on to the children, but the sins of the mothers are not?

let me make this very clear. Senator Clinton supports the war in Iraq. Everytime she has hade the oppotunity to vote on the matter, she has supported contining military operations. Senator Clinton supports sending Americans to die in the sand. Why does her daughter get a pass on that, when the President's don't? you didn't answer that.

second, why is it somehow great that a Senator's daughter takes a consulting gig making a ton of money, while it is unacceptable for a President's daughter to take a job in a museum? Which one really serves the community more? your anger blinds you.

as a final comment, I think most people would be amused to hear you call Yale a party school. And if you don't think that Chelsea partied at Stanford and Oxford, then you are sorely misguided (in case you're wondering, a classmate of mine in highschool was her next door neighbor in Palo Alto, and a cousin was at Oxford at the same time as her) she did the same thing that many rich kids (yes, I was one of them) do in college. nothing different. I have no doubt she's an intelligent woman, but if we are going to lambast the Bush twins for their parents' politics, we must do the same for Chelsea, it's only fair. (you remember, of course, that without the Senate approving funding for the war, it would have stopped three years ago)

be reasonable.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 04:28 PM
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128. Hillary feels she has to be tougher than a man
or she'll be discredited as a woman. Sadly, she may be right about that. I wish she had taken another path, but I also wish John Kerry had too. This, however, is hindsight. I'm paying close attention to what Hillary will do next on the war.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 10:40 PM
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:33 PM
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86. I said nothing about the Former President, actually
I mentioned the current Junior Senator for New York, who has, at every opportunity, supported the War. That makes her no different, really, than the people running the war, since she refuses to publically question it, and continues to authorize spending obscene amounts of money to continue operations. I'm sorry if that upsets you, but it is, in fact, the case. How'd she vote on the resolution to withdraw troops again? right.

If, therefore, it is reasonable (and I don't think it is, by the way) to ask why the Bush twins are not fighting in the war, then it is just as reasonable to ask why the daughter of a sitting US Senator who supports the war isn't fighting in the war. I don't see how that is "sniveling and snarking and pissing" as you so eloquently put it, simply pointing out a noticable double standard. I see people here all the time who say "if you support the war, send your children to fight it" fine. explain please, why this standard does not apply to Senator Clinton?

and do you somehow think that Ms. Clinton didn't use her family name to a: get into Stanford in the first place (surely she deserved it, but then 8 thousand deserving people a year get turned away from Stanford, it's a crapshoot for almost everyone) and d: get a high paying job? she'd really be an idiot if she didn't use family connections, that's what they're there for, right? and we've established that she isn't an idiot, far from it.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 05:48 AM
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139. Yeah, but Chelsea sure is a beautiful. Right?
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 09:03 AM
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140. she is attractive, I wouldn't use beautiful
but then she's not my type. Which is why I prefer to talk in words like intelligent, accomplished and the like, which are metricable, and have nothing to do with personal taste. I also prefer, quite frankly, not to talk about people's personal appearance, unless it is relevant to the person at hand (like the woman down the hall who wears completely innappropriate things to work, that's fair game, but I wouldn't call her 'ugly')
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 02:02 PM
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141. I hear you
... but the nasty words of Rush Limbaugh still resonate. She indeed is an intelligent, accomplished young woman and I'm sure the Clintons are very proud of her.

As opposed to ...


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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 07:34 PM
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5. Okay, you're gonna get it now. Not that I don't agree. Her parents are
content to see other kids fight and die. They're content to stay the course. Why aren't Chelsea and the bush** twins over there as well?

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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 07:35 PM
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6. But what if she doesn't support the war?
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 07:39 PM
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10. I wasn't given a choice if I wanted to go to Vietnam myself
:shrug:

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Monkeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 07:45 PM
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13. Same Same number was 50
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 07:51 PM
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23. Granted, it'd be ridiculous for her to resist a draft
if her parents initiated or supported one, regardless of her personal feelings on the war, for exactly the reason you mentioned. But, for the most part, a non-draft situation I think is different. (Of course, there were definitely plenty of already enlisted men and women who didn't support the idea of an Iraq invasion.)
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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 09:05 PM
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50. There Isn't A Draft Now
certainly I get your point

I don't know that either Hillary or Bill supported this war the way in which it was done

that sounds like the Republican Meme "Clinton did it too"

Most Senators and Representatives who voted for the pResident to have the right to use force, did not envision him going about it the way he did, in the time frame he did it.

I'd have to know more about Clinton and Clinton's positions on the war before I'd proclaim a judgment against them on this.

No one thinks Saddam was a good guy. He needed to be gone. The UN was doing it's job verifying the lack of WMD's. I think that there were many options open to "take out" Saddam more creatively than the one that was chosen.

No, I don't and didn't support the war.

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INdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 09:30 PM
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60. You reminded me of the days when I would check my mail daily
and hoped that little brown envelope had'nt arrived on that day..The stress was too much so I enlisted in the Navy..But you are correct we didnt have a choice.I will not allow my grandsons to fight in a Republican war for oil...I wont..
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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 07:48 PM
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16. It doesn't help matters much if she opposes the war....
and says nothing about it.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 07:46 PM
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15. I haven't heard anything but maybe
Chelsea doesn't support it? We know the bushtwins do.
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 07:48 PM
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18. I understand your frustration. Regardless of their political positions...
...Chelsea and the Bush twins will never have to join the military just to pay for college or to earn something more than minimum wage.
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 07:52 PM
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25. I could respect her IF she said she was against the War
but, IMHO she is just one of the Bush girls, making big bucks on her name...
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ContraBass Black Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 07:59 PM
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30. Is she a political figure?
I don't see her out campaigning, for herself or anyone else.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 08:04 PM
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32. I agree with WakeMe on the issue of her making it on the basis of her name
Edited on Sun Aug-20-06 08:05 PM by brentspeak
Speaking only for myself, if I were the son of a famous person (or persons, in Chelsea's case), I wouldn't want to rely on my name to make it in the world. For instance, if I wanted to be an actor and my father were a famous actor, I'd use a different last name while auditioning for parts, try to make it on my own merits.
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never_get_over_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 10:08 PM
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71. Realistically how in the hell could Chelsea not use her name
its not just her name EVERYBODY in this country has seen pictures of her - it would be impossible for her to apply for any job and not have people know who the hec she is - I don't think this is at all a valid criticism of her - she can't help who she is and if it has helped her get a good job than so be it...She probably is a complete brainiac like her parents and even if who she is helped her I'm betting she is more than able to do the job....not like the dumb ass in chief who traded on his name all his life.... and probably his dumb ass daughters too....
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KurtNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 09:50 AM
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110. Her name? did that work for Roger Clinton?
Nope. If a am McKinsey (her employer) and I look at applicants, what I would see in Chelsea is:
- an extraodinary amount of experience with powerful people in high profile situations (grant you she wasn't the one negotiating, etc but she certainly knows the dynamics and vocabulary better than any 22YO out there)
- an outstanding education
- grace under fire (from the age of about 12)
- connections and access to mom and dad's rolodexes once and a while

Completely worth the $120K IMHO. If Roger Clinton came looking for same job his name wouldn't mean anything.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 10:49 PM
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 08:07 PM
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34. that is what I want to know
wtf? where are her fatigues for her mother's war?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 10:52 PM
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 09:06 PM
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51. Did Chelsea state her position on the war? Or does it matter?
:shrug:
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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 01:11 AM
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96. That's not fair
Perhaps she doesn't agree with them. Just because our parents may have held wrong beliefs does not mean that we did or had to support them. I'm willing to bet she doesn't support the war.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 05:22 AM
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101. If Bill or Hillary were president there would have been no Iraq War
Voting for it as a member of Congress is not the same thing as initiating the war as a president.

In addition, you don't know what Chelsea's position is on the war herself.
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FredMertz Donating Member (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 08:06 AM
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103. Because she's an individual?
Maybe SHE doesn't support the war.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 12:32 PM
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121. That's a good point.
If the party hardy * twins should be signing up, so should Chelsea.

Chelsea's the only Clinton that I like, but fair is fair after all. :shrug:
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Karenca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 07:32 PM
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3. Even prettier in person
I was having lunch with my son,
and there she was, at the next table with two friends.

She really looked great.
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cdsilv Donating Member (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 07:36 PM
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8. She's an adult and makes her own choices, not matter what her parents want
I expect the same from my kids. Make your own decisions. If I supported the war, I'd find a way to go over there (I don't support it). I would not expect my kids to 'follow suit'. I expect them to be critical thinkers, and to make their own decisions.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 07:35 PM
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7. She really blossomed didn't she?
She reminds me of a Titian painting.
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HockeyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 07:39 PM
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12. Where did the time go?
She has her Mom's eyes.
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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 07:48 PM
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17. Let's hope she has more progressive politics
than her Wal-Mart, NAFTA, CAFTA, GATT, WTO and Iraq war loving parents.
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never_get_over_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 10:16 PM
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72. Well said
and thank you!
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Chipper Chat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 07:46 PM
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14. Rush Limbaugh once called her "the White House dog" on air!
Bastard.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 07:48 PM
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19. limpbaugh is a stupid person
with a microphone and a desire to destroy this country..he has never been right about anything and he lies.
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mac56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 08:12 PM
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36. And Letterman shot him down over it, right to his face.
Said to Limpballs:

"And you can say that, because you're such a fine-looking specimen yourself."
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globalvillage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 08:49 PM
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47. John McCain called her 'ugly'.
I hate that bastard.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 09:11 PM
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53. Imagine that comment coming from a guy with a face like a road map?
:wow:
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 08:54 AM
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109. That one that goes with his peanut shaped head? nt
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 09:19 PM
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56. Remember McCain's joke:
Why is Chelsea so ugly? Her father is Janet Reno. http://www.salon.com/news/1998/06/25newsb.html
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never_get_over_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 09:35 PM
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64. Yeah because John McCain is so
fucking handsome.....PUHLEEEEEEESE I heard he was on the Sunday shows saying how effective the illegal wiretapping has been - so not only is he ugly he's stupid. Hey Jackass John its not about the wiretapping its about the doing it without a warrant.....
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 10:23 PM
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73. I Did Not Know This
until now - what an asshole!

Now I hate him too, more than I did yesterday.
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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 01:44 AM
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98. Johm McCain calling someone ugly is like shrub calling someone "Stupid."
Has that man looked in the mirror recently?
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MoseyWalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 07:49 PM
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20. Inside and out
beautiful.

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Balbus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 07:50 PM
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21. That's just an attractive family all the way around.
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physioex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 07:54 PM
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27. Yea............
But I do agree with the critics their marriage as it stands now isn't real.
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Lindacooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 01:04 AM
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95. How do you know?
Nobody knows what a marriage is like except the people in it.

And the Clintons have stayed together through some very rough times, unlike Repigs Reagan, Gingrich, Limbaugh, Dole, Dick Armey, Phil Gramm, Pete Wilson, George Allen, Giuliani, John Warner, McCain, Kissinger, Henry Hyde, ad nauseum, who are all divorced at least once.
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kdpeters Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 02:11 AM
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99. How can you even think that, much less say it?
Both of these fine politicians have personally demonstrated their commitment to marriage as a sacred institution, so much so, they had the courage to stand up, at significant political cost, to protect it








..... from committed same sex couples.
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demigoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 04:36 PM
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129. i think you bought the repug propaganda, no man would stay with a wife
that he didn 't love AND help her run for senate and maybe president. He obviously adores his daughter and is close to her and I have heard him speak about his wife with great pride and joy, that only comes from love and, get this, he respects her !!! Lots of you guys should be so lucky.
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MzNov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 07:50 PM
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22. that's a really nice picture. They all look good. nt
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 07:52 PM
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24.  believe me she`s a daddy`s girl
you can tell by the way they stand together..you`ll never see the bush family that close and that loving...
for all his personal faults and nafta i really miss his leadership and warmth.
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Virginian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 01:17 AM
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97. I think NAFTA /CAFTA and the others might have
been tweaked a little if Clinton were in office today. I think there would more protection added to make them more FAIR rather than FREE trade agreements.

Remember, when Clinton was in office we had peace and prosperity. It wasn't until after the election when there was a chance the decision could go either way that the stock market had its first nervous dip and not until after Bush took office that it started to fall.

Then there was offshoring and h-1b visas that hurt working Americans.
We had a JOBLESS recovery because the rich were getting richer and the gap increased between the middle and upper income Americans.

Clinton would have done something for the working class. That is just the kind of man he is.


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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 12:26 PM
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119. Wait a minute-Clinton was responsible for NAFTA!
Clintons "golden" years weren't so "golden" for everyone. Maybe it's easy for you to forgive his misdeeds, but our family is working class and the passage of NAFTA hurt the working class badly!!! Clinton did us NO favors with NAFTA in the 90s and we struggled for years through his administration and the beginning of the * occupation, when my husband lucked upon a good paying union job. I doubt Clinton would be helping us now-he's all for the elite and moneyed class-he proved that with NAFTA! Don't forget his buddy buddy friendship with the * family. UGH! :puke:

Thanks for nothing "big dog"! :eyes:

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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 07:01 PM
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135. I believe NAFTA passed in 1993..Clinton and Gore
had plenty of time to "tweak" it to favor labor rights in the US and Mexico. They did as their corporate masters wanted...got unfettered trade between the US and Mexico.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 07:53 PM
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26. Taste is purely a matter of taste, I guess. n/t
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 07:59 PM
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31. They Were SO Awful To Her In The Press
I remember her at a very awkward stage, it would have killed me dead at age 13 to turn on SNL or something and see ugly jokes coming my way!! They did a wonderful job of keeping her protected from all that...
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 08:06 PM
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33. i guess that her education doesn`t warrant a 6 figure job
"Chelsea graduated from Stanford University with a degree in history in 2001; her undergraduate thesis was on her father's mediation of the 1998 Northern Ireland peace agreement. She went on to earn a Master's degree at University College, Oxford University in international relations."

yup, she`s just trading on her name....

"her undergraduate degree thesis was on her father`s mediation of the 1998 northern ireland peace agreement" i wonder what the bush twins,oh wait a minute they already graduated.i bet they are making 6 figures!
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 08:20 PM
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39. and name one Normal person that makes over $100,000 on their first job
out of college.
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 08:47 PM
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46. This Normal person makes 6-figures with your tax money.




Which is worse?
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 09:51 PM
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67. It wasn't right out of college - it was after a Masters degree from Oxford
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 10:38 PM
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77. I have friends that made over $100,000 straight out of Yale
and a couple that made $100,000 straight out of HS during the dot.com boom. It does happen. Sorry to pop your little bubble. It doesn't happen much, but it does happen.
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datasuspect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 08:19 AM
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107. i've worked with scions of wealth
who made 300,000 a year right of college. with a four year degree. the dude was like chet the kegmeister, but his father was extremely well-connected.

this was in a high-level commercial real estate type company though.
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:38 PM
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87. um, anyone with an MBA or a JD from a decent school?
Chelsea does have a Master's from a fairly decent little place across the Pond, you know?

in the corporate world, I'd be suprised if she wasn't making that kind of money, with her experiences, education and connections.
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Karenca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 08:17 AM
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105. My nephew. EOM
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Tyrone Slothrop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 12:12 PM
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116. I know several people who work at the same firm she does
They all make approximately the same thing and most of them are on their first jobs too.

That's a fairly standard starting salary for an Ivy League grad working in finance.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 08:15 PM
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37. I bet Chelsea is going to be the first female president.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 09:15 PM
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55. I think it a possibility
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 08:26 PM
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40. I think DUers should go easy - she doesn'tappear to flaunt anything and
also appears to work hard on avoiding the camera. Some people go for money that comes to them when they're in front of the camera - it appears she is seriously working and leading a single's life with the help of well chosen friends.
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patricia92243 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 08:35 PM
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41. This kind of post brings out the lurking Republicans It is almost fun
Edited on Sun Aug-20-06 08:37 PM by patricia92243
funny - in a sort of repulsive way. It is very hard for them to keep their hate under wraps.


PS I love the picture. She is a lovely young lady.
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BlueJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 08:58 PM
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48. I was thinking the same thing...In fact , I was getting ready to tell....
...about half of the posters on this thread to go Fuck themselves....
..but being a Gentleman, I won't do that.

B-)

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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 08:59 PM
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49. Yeah
I agree, but it's difficult to prove and well nigh impossible without the right kind of evidence.

Chelsea is definitely pretty, and obviously intelligent as well. But then, both her parents are highly intelligent, and she's got the ability to go far.

The difference between her and the Bush twins is quite obvious; monied or not, there is a difference when someone has class, and someone doesn't. You could be the richest person in the world, but if you don't have an understanding of the world around you, and the wisdom to deal with it gracefully, you lack the class that makes you part of the real human race. Otherwise, you end up just like GWB: a rich idiot.
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PinkyisBlue Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 10:55 AM
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112. Class
The "twins" seem to be as classy as Britney Spears or Paris Hilton, whereas Chelsea Clinton has the class of Grace Kelly.
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guinivere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 06:14 PM
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133. There you go.
The Bush twins have plenty of money, education and connections. They choose to party and spend money rather than make something of themselves. Voila! Rich idiots!


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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 09:30 PM
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59. Good point...I thought I was reading a thread from FR.
I feel sorry for people who can't give a person their due. Yeah, I'd say Chelsea deserve's whatever salary she's making...she's proven herself academically and I'm sure she's got plenty of real world experience to command the salary she's making. Her name is both a curse and a benefit...it's always that way for children of famous people. Some handle it well...like her. Others, not so much. I'm sure Barb and Jenna could have found jobs paying as much, or more...but I think we all know that would be another Arbusto special.
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Libby2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 08:42 PM
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42. Beautiful young lady
For the rest of you with a "hard on" for Chelsea.....screw you.
She is her own person.

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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 08:43 PM
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43. She looks marvelous
Time has treated her quite well.
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globalvillage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 08:46 PM
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45. Very pretty.
Wonder if McCain's seen this pic? Maybe I'll send it to him as a reminder of what a complete asshole he is.
Shame, every time I see Chelsea I have to think of that bastard.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 09:14 PM
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54. the media treated her far worse than the Chimpanzee
one thing the Clintons could never be criticized on is their parenting. when it came to their girl they always put her ahead of any issues they had with anyone or even each other. they should be proud .
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Democrat 4 Ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 09:32 PM
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61. Seems like so many people in this thread just want to knock Chelsea
because of her parents. Jeeze, she went to college, made good grades, (I don't recall any major scandals like fake IDs, out rip roaring drunk, etc.), got her Masters and is now working. Hell, a company would be lucky to have her. This young woman has seen and EXPERIENCED history from a very unique position, comes from two very smart, accomplished parents, was very successful in college, made her own way and doesn't seem to cause anyone a minute of trouble. There is so much to dislike.

And look at the Kennedy kids, Gores', Kerry's - all those people are smart, articulate, producing adults - unlike so many repugs who are boasting on My Space about sex, drugs and rock and roll. There are two twins that are worst than useless lying around the White House, chain smoking and generally partying their 20s away like dear ol' Dad. Some comparison.

Yeah, I'd knock Chelsea, too. She is such a horrible, horrible person. :sarcasm:

I would be proud to call Chelsea my daughter and I'm pretty sure her parents are, too. Beautiful inside and out.

And Happy Birthday, Big Dog!
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 09:33 PM
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62. I'll never forget McCain's cruel remark about Chelsea.
It says so much about his lack of character.
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InvisibleTouch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 09:20 PM
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57. They all look great
And it's sad to see all the bashing in this thread.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 12:40 PM
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122. It really is, isn't it?
:wow: Chelsea Clinton is a beautiful young woman, and quite accomplished in her personal life as well. She deserves to have a life.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 09:28 PM
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58. What a beautiful looking family period.
Edited on Sun Aug-20-06 09:28 PM by cat_girl25
Chelsea looks just like her mom. Very nice screen grab you got there. :thumbsup:
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 09:35 PM
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63. She got the best of both parents,
and she has matured into a lovely young woman.
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 09:40 PM
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65. Fantastic portrait of
a wonderful family.
And regarding some of the seeming-freepers who posted here: I dare say there isnt ONE person here who hasnt used everything at their disposal to get ahead in this world and economy. One uses education as well as "contacts" to be successful. Anyone here who says that they dont is lying to themselves.
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Sleepless In NY Donating Member (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 10:26 PM
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74. How many of you here graduated from Stanford & Oxford & work for McKinsey
Obviously not a lot or you or you wouldn't be so shocked at what Chelsea has accomplished & what her salary is. Nor what a lot of grads from Yale, Harvard & other Ivy League schools "start off" making in NY. The sky is the limit. Chelsea is exactly what McKinsey & Company looks for when hiring.

As far as I'm concerned Chelsea is not only pretty, & intelligent, but most importantly, she has class & that is something you can never accuse the bush twins of possessing. Say what you will about her parents, but criticizing a young woman as accomplished as dignified she is, is just plain stupid & viscious.

Some background on Chelsea & the firm she works for, suggest you all read this before you judge her:

Chelsea was a National Merit Scholarship semifinalist in 1997, graduated from Stanford University with a degree in history in 2001; her undergraduate thesis was on her father's mediation of the 1998 Northern Ireland peace agreement. She went on to earn a Master's degree at University College, Oxford University in international relations.

In 2003, she joined the consulting firm McKinsey & Company in New York City, Known internally as "The Firm" Marvin Bower who joined The Firm in 1933 broke with industry practice in his time by focusing hiring efforts on recent graduates from the best business schools, rather than among experienced managers. The premise for this was that analytical rigor and fresh insights were of greater value to clients than conventional wisdom. McKinsey has been known to make rare exceptions to this policy by hiring senior staff from industry, and in later years it has diversified its recruiting base by soliciting candidates from graduate programs within law, medicine, engineering, science, and the liberal arts as well as by recruiting "experienced hires" from a variety of professional backgrounds including the military, law and medicine.

McKinsey is one of the most sought-after destinations for graduates of top MBA programs, having been rated #1 in the Universum survey of most desirable employers for the past nine years. The Firm is the largest single recruiter at the world's top business schools. It is also the largest private recruiter at Harvard Law School and employs more Rhodes Scholars than any organization outside of the State Department.

McKinsey also recruits very selectively among undergraduates, hiring as "Business Analysts" recent graduates from top universities to work as consultants alongside its associates for ~18-24 months. The BA program is one of the most competitive in industry and is coveted by many business-oriented undergraduates. Some business analysts choose to stay at McKinsey for an additional year as a BA, often to join an office abroad or specialize in a given industry. Many business analysts are sponsored by McKinsey to attend graduate schools, usually for a MBA but sometimes for other master's or Ph.D. degrees, after their initial two years at McKinsey and rejoin the firm afterwards. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McKinsey_%26_Company

Also worth reading and keep in mind these kids don't even have Chelsea's credentials, in fact, they haven't even graduated yet:

Companies entice top talent with pricey perks
Ultimate summer internships offer weekend getaways, extravagant lunches http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13324489
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 10:40 PM
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80.  she traveled overseas with both her mother and dad
she wasn`t just traveling because she had to go along for the ride but she absorbed everything she experienced during those travels. do you realize she has more education and world experience than the mope that runs this country....scary isn`t it!
yes chelsea is a spoiled rich girl from the east coast white anglo saxon protestant blue bloods who is given anything her heart desires...opps!wait a minute, that`s the twins and their daddy...
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Geek_Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 06:25 PM
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134. Judging by those Credentials
I would say McKinsey & Company would be lucky to employee her. I'm sure she'll be very successful in life. She's sharp educated and beautiful.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 10:33 PM
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76. she has really blossomed
seems she has really come into her own
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 10:40 PM
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78. Fabulous pic. K&R.
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 10:44 PM
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81. She has turned out really nice
Anybody seen the Bush twins of late? :popcorn: :rofl:
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:26 PM
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85. I'm sure she's very bright, compassionate, well-educated, ...
... and an all around wonderful, but the idea that she's physically attractive is just bizarre to me.
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:40 PM
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88. even more important
is the idea that, on a putatively liberal website, it's still the first thing people mention. can we move past looks eventually?
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:43 PM
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89. Troo dat.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 09:58 AM
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111. "..but the idea that she's physically attractive is just bizarre to me."
What? You don't think she is physically attractive? Now that's weird to me, and I'm not even a guy.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 04:14 PM
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124. I would never have guessed in a million years that ANYONE...
... found her physically attractive.

Well, anyone with at least average vision, at any rate.

Not to lose track of the fact that her intelligence, good intentions, and the like are vastly more important for her - so it really doesn't matter (or it shouldn't, at any rate).
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 12:19 AM
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90. I have a feeling that both of her parents
are very proud of her.
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PBass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 12:25 AM
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91. What did McCain say about Chelsea???
He's not exactly easy on the eyes. In fact, it looks like he's having some serious problems with his face, so he really shouldn't talk.

On the other hand, Chelsea Clinton is a fine young lady!!!
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 12:40 AM
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93. Please see my post number fifty six
above. The link gives all the gory details.
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 12:35 AM
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92. She's a beautiful lady.
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DarkTirade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 04:21 AM
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100. She was just unlucky enough to be put into the public spotlight
right during her 'awkward phase'. Everybody goes through it. Some of us less than others thankfully. :)
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DiverDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 08:07 AM
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104. Gawd the "awkward phase" I HATED IT!
I was 5'6 and 95 lbs in 7th grade, by 9th I was 6'1" and 155.
I couldn't walk and chew gum at the same time, trip over painted lines...man, my BONES hurt from the stretching...awkward phase, indeed.
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DarkTirade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 04:57 PM
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130. I was lucky... my awkward phase was just my junior year.
A little later than most others... but it meant I was able to date and whatnot all three other years of high school. :) The regular growing awkward phase kind of missed me though. I hit my growth spurts early but they took the entire course of middle school to finish. So at the end of 8th grade, I was the same height I am now. My awkward phase was just when my face exploded. Freshman year... 5'10, 125 pounds... sophmore year, put on some muscle, 150 pounds, starting to look good then BLAM. Junior year came around and I developed such bad acne that my face actually HURT most of the time. I was on prescription medication for it, and it barely made a difference.
Of course, I kinda let myself go then and was up to 180 by my senior year... but once the face cleared up, a couple of extra pounds still wasn't enough to make me not look hot. :)
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 11:16 AM
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113. That is a beautiful family photograph
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4_TN_TITANS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 12:01 PM
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114. This thread is ridiculous....
at least what I was able to stomach. It's amazing how many people came out of the woodwork at the chance to bash a Clinton.

There is absolutely nothing I've ever seen or heard about Chelsea for her to deserve what's being said about her.

And yes, she's gorgeous!
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itcfish Donating Member (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 12:14 PM
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117. Everyone is So Amazed
That she is making $100,000?? Wow she comes from a mother and a father with very high IQ, don't you think the young lady has inherited the "smart" gene from her parents? By the way $100,000 today is not such a big deal.
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Tyrone Slothrop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 12:16 PM
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118. I agree, but...
I don't think that's a very good picture of her.

Actually, I'm not sure that I've ever seen that great of a photo of hers. Perhaps she's not very photogenic -- I've had the fortune to meet her once or twice in real life, and she looks GREAT in real life. Much prettier than any picture I've ever seen of her.
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SNAKE MAN Donating Member (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 05:59 PM
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132.  She sure has grown up!!
She sure has "matured" in looks the last couple years!!!!
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Crewleader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 08:11 PM
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136. Chelsea is very beautiful!
She got the best of Mom & Dad! ;-)


:hi:
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OnceUponTimeOnTheNet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 08:53 PM
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137. Thank You for posting this lovely pic
I hope they had a wonderful day together Celebrating the big 60!
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