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BlueStater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 08:38 PM
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Why do some people on this board keep calling Dobbs a racist?
He's against illegal immigration. So what?

I agree with him. I don't think these people should come into our country, break our laws, and then be rewarded for it by being allowed to stay. I think it's an insult to the millions of immigrants who come into America legally and work hard to become citizens.

Seriously, what makes Dobbs a racist? What racist things has he said?
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 08:40 PM
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1. and he is against out sourcing jobs to third world nations
IMHO he is all about JOBS...
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:11 PM
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55. And he really, really likes paper voting ballots, he hates diebold
I like Lou a lot
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 02:21 PM
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95. Dobbs is against outsourcing jobs to third world nations? Splain this then
Edited on Sat Aug-12-06 02:23 PM by NNN0LHI
http://www.cjrdaily.org/behind_the_news/the_two_faces_of_lou_dobbs.php

<snip>Dobbs devoted a column in the March issue to touting the prospects of the Minnesota-based Toro Company, which makes outdoor landscaping-maintenance equipment. He told subscribers that Toro was a "long-term wealth-builder," and praised Toro's "formal code of ethics, something I think is sorely needed at more of America's companies," and its "...exemplary corporate governance structure, which aligns the interests of shareholders, employees, and customers." He concluded his interview with Toro CEO Kendrick Melrose by frankly telling him, "I like the way you treat your shareholders, employees, and customers."

One wonders whether Dobbs' admiration extends to Toro's 2002 decision to move 15% of its workforce -- about 800 jobs -- to Juarez, Mexico. Indeed, CEO Kendrick Melrose might be interested to know that Toro appears on Dobbs' own list of companies that are "exporting America."

And Toro is not alone. Of the 14 companies Dobbs has highlighted for investors since starting his newsletter last year, eight appear on his CNN website as companies that outsource jobs.

Greenpoint Financial is another company that's received conflicting treatment from Dobbs. CEO Tom Johnson enjoyed the Dobbs interview treatment in June 2003. Dobbs promised readers, "I think you'll find Tom's comments and the way he runs his business thought-provoking and insightful."

Apparently one of the "thought-provoking and insightful" methods that Dobbs was referring to was not the 2002 decision by Greenpoint to export much of its mortgage and customer-service operations to Bangalore, India, a move that produced significant savings, but that cost 150 U.S. workers their jobs. Greenpoint Mortgage, a subsidiary of Greenpoint Financial, appears on Dobbs' list of outsourcers.
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 08:41 PM
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2. I like Lou.......
He's about the only person on the M$M that sticks up for the middle class these days.
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 08:48 PM
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4. Lou Dobbs is dangerous to the progressive cause
I bet Randi Rhodes is over her Lou Dobbs crush.
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FighttheFuture Donating Member (748 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 09:25 PM
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23. Why? And do you know or suspect that about Randi?
Why is Lou dangerous?
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 09:07 PM
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16. I agree,Ohio
:hi:
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 08:48 PM
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3. Lou is the most credible newscaster out there...
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 09:25 PM
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22. Is Dobbs really the most credible newscaster out there?
He's a business editor talking head for the CorporateNewsNetwork! He's fatally ethically challenged from the start.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 08:49 PM
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Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
AlamoDemoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 08:51 PM
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6. I have watched Lou Dobbs before he came back from his retirement
Edited on Fri Aug-11-06 08:52 PM by AlamoDemoc
...at the time he was strictly involved in presenting market news. Then, he came back with having red hair (prior he had gray hair...he is 61 year old Irish decent) and now he bashs immigrants on his prepared show. I think there are producers within CNN that would want him to come back from retirement that had his opinion at heart. Therefore, he is transformed and making money from retirement being racist.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 08:53 PM
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8. You said not one thing in response to the OP's question. n/t
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AlamoDemoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 09:02 PM
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12.  "I said enough Jody....but you no like my singing" that is a song
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 09:22 PM
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20. Fill in the blank. Lou Dobbs can be considered racist because _____.
Can ya do it?

This is your last chance before .
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AlamoDemoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 09:26 PM
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24.  Before what?
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 09:43 PM
Response to Reply #24
32. Before I see you in November.
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AlamoDemoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:18 PM
Response to Reply #32
42. See you in November indeed
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countryjake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:09 PM
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39. He touts the Council of Conservative Citizens, among other things.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:01 PM
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52. Exactly!
That, alone, clinches it for me as far as he's concerned. That is one of the most racist, bigoted, hateful groups in existence in this country today. One of their main tactics is fear-mongering that, before long, the US will be just a "huge mass of brown goo." Disgusting! And so is anyone who quotes them.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 02:02 AM
Response to Reply #39
71. when did he do that?
the cofcc is nothing more than a kinder, gentler klan (well, they put on the face of kinder and gentler, anyway.)
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 12:15 PM
Response to Reply #39
87. Yuppers, and they are nothing but the "public" Klan
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BlueStater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 08:56 PM
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9. Don't you mean ILLEGAL Immigrants?
You know, I hate it when the GOP deliberately leaves out information to make their arguments and it's no less annoying when Democrats do it.

Please don't call them immigrants because that's not what they are.
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AlamoDemoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 09:10 PM
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18.  I think many of us here at DU would want safe and secure border
Yet, what Mr. Dobbs spouses on CNN are rather dictionary thinking of illegal aliens.
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FighttheFuture Donating Member (748 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 09:28 PM
Response to Reply #18
25. I don't usualy watch Lou, can you quote what he says that upsets you so?
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AlamoDemoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 09:46 PM
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34. I am not upset
I am simply pointing out that Mr. Dobbs and his producers are racists
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 02:03 AM
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72. all of them?
:shrug:
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sgxnk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 10:56 AM
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79. false
here's another dumb meme

"bashing immigrant" "anti-immigrant"

being against illegal immigration, or having different viewpoints on ILLEGAL immigration is not "bashing" and it is certainly not bashing IMMIGRANTS

immigrants were not the issue.

it's ILLEGAL immigration

do you grok the difference?

more rhetoric from people with lots of name calling and soundbites in them, but no willingness to discuss facts

plenty of people bash immigrants. david duke comes to mind. criticizing aspect of ILLEGAL immigration is not the same thing

not to mention that illegal immigrants come in all races. it so happens that most illegals in our country HAPPEN to be hispanic. hispanic is not a race anyways, its a cultural designation. one can be black hispanic, white hispanic, asian hispanic, etc. but i digress

yes, most illegal immigrants happen to be of mixed race, from the country of mexico

so, criticizing anything regarding illegal immigration automatically makes one a RACIST because the subject of criticism HAPPENs to have skin that is not white

file under racist identity politics and kneejerk rhetorical crap

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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 08:51 PM
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7. He thinks he is a populist,
Edited on Fri Aug-11-06 09:01 PM by IChing
He at least lets Randi Rhodes on his show even though he stacks the program so she is out numbered 1 against 3.
Here is a good article to think about why he is viewed
in such light.

http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?itemid=20893
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 09:01 PM
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10. Well, if he's FOR the Minutemen, he's RACIST!!!1 n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:09 PM
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38. There is that. lol
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 09:02 PM
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11. You had to have watched him during Katrina.
He had a little scorecard on the race of all the officials.

When the city was in disarray, he asked how the black mayor could do that, leave a city unprotected.
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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 09:02 PM
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13. Many DUers just hate Dobbs
because he does not agree with their agenda 100%. They also use the same tactic the repukes used during the NAFTA debates. All the dems opposing NAFTA were called racists by the repukes.
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sgxnk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 11:00 AM
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80. bingo
it's wrong when the right does it

it's wrong when the left does it

i would really love if people would stop using identity politics and deal with ISSUES vs. (false) accusations of racism anytime the subject of a debate happens to have a skin color that makes the charge convenient

it's dumb

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OnceUponTimeOnTheNet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 09:05 PM
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14. Anyone who is anti NAFTA is tops
in my book. Lou is one I appreciate. Thank You Lou!!
America First!
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rudeboy666 Donating Member (959 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 09:06 PM
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15. maybe not a racist, but a reactionary who appeals to racists
p.s. Before the hate starts firing in, I am not for open borders. Immigration is a legitimate issue. It should be discussed.

However, when people start talking about law-breakers, aliens, and those people(who happen to be members of a historically oppressed group in America), I tend to side with the oppressed.
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 09:23 PM
Response to Reply #15
21. imagine a world where no passports...
where anyone could go anywhere, anytime. dividing humanity leads to conquering them.
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FighttheFuture Donating Member (748 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 09:36 PM
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27. Yeah... in the meantime, back in the real world...
it's not there, and it will not be there any time in the forseeable future. The EU was a good start but it has a long way to go.

For now, the illegals need to be sent back. The best way to do that is send CEO's and managers that hire them to jail for a year, or more, and fine the shit out of them and their company. Then the incentive to come here will die down.

Look what's happening in Mexico. Imagine what would happen if the really desperate who came over here were there instead to start demanding a better, more responsive government and, if need be, start chopping heads!! Mexico is nothing more than a criminal enterprise, run by about 40 families with an ex-Coc-cola exec as its puppet "el Presidente". Unless the people of Mexico start asking "what the fuck?" instead of taking the easy way (in comparison) out running here, it will never change.


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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 01:04 AM
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61. It would be a great thing if the people of Mexico took to the streets
when their elections were stolen with the aid of BushCo -- just like we do here --

:blush:
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OnceUponTimeOnTheNet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 09:40 PM
Response to Reply #21
30. Such a World is a long way off.
That's just reality. Would be nice, thou.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 01:55 AM
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69. Deorganizing people also leads to conquering them.
Edited on Sat Aug-12-06 02:03 AM by w4rma
How come I never hear you pro-"free" trade people talking about tearing down corporations as well as nations? Or would you rather see a world divided by feudal corporations *instead* of nations?

In a world without nations, people can swear fealty to their company's stockholders instead of their countrymen.
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 07:30 AM
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74. im not pro free trade
passports were intro'd back in the colonial era in order to help manage the corporate interests, using the 'commonwealth's' needs as cover ...today, micro managing the people, their relationships, their wealth and their personal power all is the main/only action of the nation state/corporate pig...
if anyone called me a pro free trade-er to my face, i'd punch their lights out :)
removing the artificial, systemic passport system which empowers the police statists would force communities and neighborhoods/'nations' to establish some form of law enforcement that maintained order while respecting freedom-a tall order no matter how it's phrased, agreed. But we are members of a dying species on a doomed planet, and most people have no idea of the crimes committed 'in their interests' which is what doomed the planet in the first place. At one time, a person could take public transit trains from vermont to florida, so well developed was the mass transit system. and even now, even with all the info available, it's a fact the NOONE either knows or cares how the car/highway became the only way for the average citizen to get around. Passports were part of the process that handed power to bureaucratic pigs, whose only interest in the 'public' was hiding the truth from them, and who were under orders of elected pols who themselves only pandered to the 1/2 the electorate who voted, in most cases.
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FighttheFuture Donating Member (748 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 09:39 PM
Response to Reply #15
29. Also appeals ot people who would like their society back working ...
for them, rather than illegal immigrants and offshoring coporations.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 09:08 PM
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17. Because it's easier than arguing their differing opinion?
:shrug: The straw man fallacy is second only to the ad hominem in popularity. :evilgrin:
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AlamoDemoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 09:20 PM
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19. Lou Dobbs is retired White Man who came back from retirement
His writers are white men with an agenda. He is just a face on CNN.
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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 09:33 PM
Response to Reply #19
26. Kitty Pilgrim, Lisa Sylvester, & Christine Romans are white males?
:crazy:
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joemurphy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 09:38 PM
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28. No. They are female sycophants that Lou trots out to
second his "outrage of the day" or when he wants somebody to nod when he reads the results of one of his moronic "polls". Lou loves dittoheads.

I've always distrusted millionaire Republicans that claim to be champions of the workingman. Lou's no exception.
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AlamoDemoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 09:42 PM
Response to Reply #26
31. Did you ever notice how they report?
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joemurphy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 09:47 PM
Response to Reply #31
35. "Yes, Lou...Right, Lou...Couldn't have said it better, myself, Lou"
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 09:45 PM
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33. I don't like Lou Dobbs....
but then I don't like any cable news program. While I give him credit for taking the 'outsourcing' issue as his own, and apparently cares about the lack of 'made in the USA', and what outsourcing has done to our economy....our biggest export is weaponry...he knows better than to point the finger at illegal immigration as any cause celeb. What that does is it takes the spotlight away from the cause...which let's face it is capatalistic greed...and puts it on people that are already victims of life's more unfortunate circumstances. So, while I would not call him a racist...I would call him a con...
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BlueStater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:20 PM
Response to Reply #33
43. You don't think that illegal immigration is a serious issue and problem?
That's where you and I disagree.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:41 PM
Response to Reply #43
47. No I don't.
I think the corporations and industry's that make and break our laws for the good of they and theirs are the problem. Illegal Immigration as well as a plethora of other issues are symptoms of what's ailing our world...but treating symptoms rather than addressing the disease can kill you.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 09:59 PM
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36. I watch Lou Dobbs almost every weeknight...Naturally, I don't
Edited on Fri Aug-11-06 10:01 PM by rasputin1952
agree w/everything he says/stands for; but I am like that with everyone I know and see.

Dobbs is indeed a bit of a populist, but so what? the bottom line is, he takes on the bush cabal regularly and for that I thank him. Just because he says something I don't agree with, certainly doesn't mean he's "this or that", he is speaking his opinion, and quite often, that opinion is in line w/what I am thinking. He has a voice that none of us have, and he uses it to cremate most of the policies the bush admin comes up with.

If anyone is looking for someone to be in agreement with everything a specific poster wishes, perhaps the mirror is a better place to get ones info from.
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AlamoDemoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:15 PM
Response to Reply #36
41. you watch Mr. Dobbs every night
imagine being immigrant with access to Mr. Dobbs every night. Better yet a value of someone worked his or her entire life to make a difference on one particular issue: Immigration. They both would never want to watch Mr. Dobbs.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:31 PM
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46. Immigration is different from Illegal Immigration...
it is quite simple...but I digress, please read the post, there are things I don't agree w/on. I cannot see where one issue is shows the entire extent of a man's or woman's Points of View on everything else.

For what it's worth, a question...If someone is here illegally, and watching Dobbs or whomever, should they not be worried? After all, the bottom line is that they are breaking the law.

One last thing, I am not a racist, nor does this issue strike me as something that is beyond redemption w/o discussion. When I lived in AZ, I sponsored a Mexican Immigrant I worked with, he went through all of the hoops and hassles. He, (as well as illegals), was a fine worker and I was as proud as he was when he got his citizenship, maybe even prouder, I'm not sure. Curiosity makes me wonder why this young man took the time and effort to come here legally, first on a work visa, and eventually become a citizen, should see his work dismissed, while others just drift in?

Dobbs has a lot of other things on his plate, and I'll admit that Illegal Immigration is right up there...but so is outsourcing, tax-cuts for the wealthy and corporate crime...there is more to Dobbs that Immigration, just as there is more to me than despising bush...:)
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AlamoDemoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:53 PM
Response to Reply #46
50. They are here because they have TV
Edited on Fri Aug-11-06 10:55 PM by AlamoDemoc
They are here because they purchased a house. They are here because they have done better job on paying taxes. And they are here because they pay more tax than red jerky
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:05 PM
Response to Reply #50
54. I really don't want to make this about Mexican Immigration....
but I support Legal Immigration, and do not support Illegal Immigration.

My point is, Dobbs takes on many issues, this is just one of the myriad of issues he takes on.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 11:01 AM
Response to Reply #54
81. I see what you're saying, rasputin1952 but, I simply don't
understand why so many people here seem to be so willing so dismiss Dobbs blatant racism as "one of the issues".

Racism isn't only an opinion. It is a cancer in our culture that gets people dead.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:04 PM
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37. i think they just trip cause he rails against illegal immigration...
the bulk of them being from mexico and such :shrug:
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aein Donating Member (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:12 PM
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40. another opinion
Edited on Fri Aug-11-06 10:30 PM by aein
Lou Dobbs might not be a racist but he appeals to the simple-minded racist. Most of the immigrants are people are honest, hard-working people who don't care two flips about politics, only feeding their families. They don't care about the political situation in Mexico and the reforms or what-not. For them, the thinking is very simple: there are jobs in America, people want to hire them, and they're willing to work for what they pay. It's a very powerful force that drives people to America. They are willing to walk hundreds of miles, pay thousand of dollars just to get an opportunity to work here.

The same thing is happening in Europe. Northern Africans are setting themselves adrift into the mediterrean. Most of them die, but they're willing to do it, and their families are all for it. They don't want to wait generations for political and economic reform. They want to live their lives now.

So people can go around yelling "ILLEGAL" immigrants all they want, but the problem is real, and is beyond the criminal-justice system to fix. That argument is a non-sequitar. If we legalized them tomorrow, then they are not "illegal."

The problem is real, complex, and beyond the simple-minded bellowing of Lou Dobbs.

There are more than 7 million illegal immigrants in America. Some of them have been here most of their lives. The only rational choice is amnesty. We did it in the 80's. We allowed 3 million immigrants to become legalized and the rule of law did not end: http://www.uscis.gov/graphics/aboutus/history/may1987.htm.


11 million
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jerry611 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:52 PM
Response to Reply #40
49. You jump the border....you are not honest...you are a criminal
It isn't fair that these illegals get to stay when there are thousands of people waiting in line to become citizens outside the country.

If you believe in illegal immigration, then you are part of the neo-cons free trade agenda. You want to allow Mexico's poor to flood our nation in order to bring down the average wage. This in turn will lower labor costs, bust the labor unions, and provide the corporations with mega-profits.

We cannot take in 50 million people from Mexico, all who are in poverty. It will turn us into a 3rd world country. We just simply don't have the money to take care of that many people.
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High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:42 PM
Response to Reply #49
56. Don't tell me what I believe. Keep your projections to yourself.
Who believes in illegal immigration? I see that we have 10 million or so people in this country without papers. They are NOT criminals. They are hard-working people. I say we grant them a way to regularize their status so they can avoid being exploited.

Who says we're taking in 50 million people from Mexico, anyway? Hyperventilating exaggeration doesn't score you many debating points.
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zippy890 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 08:42 AM
Response to Reply #40
75. very well put
he promotes xenophobia and racism

"The problem is real, complex, and beyond the simple-minded bellowing of Lou Dobbs"

and welcome to DU:hi:
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 09:29 AM
Response to Reply #40
76. We allowed 3 million in the 80's
and now we have 20 million illegals, depressed wages,
high unemployment, overburdened social services,
and a myriad of other problems.

If the criminal justice system had been doing their job
for the last 20 years, (not to mention the INS) this would
not be a problem.


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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 12:18 PM
Response to Reply #40
88. Good, thoughtful, non-ranting post -- welcome to DU!
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Raydawg1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:24 PM
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44. Die hard Mexican immigrant supporters "play the race card"
Edited on Fri Aug-11-06 10:42 PM by Raydawg1234
whenever someone intelligent challenges them. It's childish and ignorant.

all you "open borders" types, you know who you are.
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aein Donating Member (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:29 PM
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45. "whenever someone inteligent chalanges them" - speaks for itself
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Raydawg1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:42 PM
Response to Reply #45
48. what are you talking about?
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:57 PM
Response to Reply #44
51. I'd rather be an "open border" type
Than a close-minded type.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 01:37 AM
Response to Reply #44
67. Sure. We are fairminded people who recognize racists when we
see them or read them. I mean, it's not like you have to go looking for them.

It's vastly amusing to be accused of playing "the race card" as if the history of this country isn't steeped in racism. And as if many people every single day aren't dealing with it right here, in Bush World.





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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 12:19 PM
Response to Reply #44
89. "Play the race card"?
Oh boy...
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:04 PM
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53. He comes out against anything that does anything for non-WASPs

They don't all wear white robes anymore.
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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:53 PM
Response to Reply #53
57. The mods need to stop some of this hatred aimed at Lou Dobbs
It is totally out of hand with certain members. Now he is accused of being a KKK member. I guess the next thing you will post is that Dobbs worships Hitler and sleeps in his SS uniform.
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:59 PM
Response to Reply #57
59. I didn't say he was a member or that he wears a robe

but make up what you want
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 12:20 PM
Response to Reply #57
90. No, we said he supports racist organizations
The Minutemen are racists, and the CCC ARE the frigging Klan.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 08:20 AM
Response to Reply #57
103. He endorses an organization that is the public Klan
And has been for a long time. THe CCC is infamous. Dobbs endorses many of their views and actions. Just because they have college degrees and wear suits instead of sheets doesn't make the CCC any less extreme racist.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:58 PM
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58. Dobbs is a "respectable" racist.
Like the "respectable" Ronald Reagan and his allusions to "welfare queens". Same methods different minority.
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SeveneightyWhoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 12:58 AM
Response to Reply #58
60. Again, what makes him racist? n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 01:05 AM
Response to Reply #60
62. Well, his racism. LOL! Like when he insinuated that Mexican
people were importing THE PLAGUE into the United States.

Other than that and on most subjects, I could enjoy his commentary.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 12:22 PM
Response to Reply #60
91. His racist statements, his support of known racists and racist orgs.
That tends to make people think he is racist... or, would it make you feel better if we just called him a "racist enabler"?

I agree with some of his ideas and opinions -- on outsourcing, etc. But, that doesn't excuse his other views.
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BlueStater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 02:12 PM
Response to Reply #91
94. What racist statements are you talking about? n/t
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 08:22 AM
Response to Reply #94
104. What racist statements?! OMG
He endorses the CCC, he has said Mexicans will bring a health plague into the US, etc.

Trying to spin Dobbs into some angelic hero against illegal immigrant isn't true, no matter how you want to spin it. He endorses racist organizations, I have heard him say racist things with my own ears.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 01:08 AM
Response to Reply #58
63. I was thinking today that in order to be effective, racism must be
subtle and must sound reasonable -- it must employ pseudo logic.

Akin to the logic that accompanies psychosis.
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 01:09 AM
Response to Reply #58
64. I know the CODE word stuff well. I just think law-following is different
In-sourcing is as bad for workers as out-sourcing and off-shoring.
Thom Hartman says government needs to punish corporations.
It's what every other functional country does.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 01:24 AM
Response to Reply #64
65. Two things. If you know the code, you know "law and order"
is code.

Second, while Thom may be right about punishing the powerful and not the people, in these discussions it always seems that poor brown people evolve into policymakers and not just people trying to earn a living and contributing above their cost to this society. Like good units!

:)

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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 01:37 AM
Response to Reply #65
66. How do you feel about water finding its lowest common level
as do wages? That's what I am concerned with. I have travelled and seen hardship. Do we want to bring that here for the sake of corrupt corporate governments such as ours and Mexico's?

It's a hard trudge, careful what you ask for. Do you work hard manual labor everyday?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 01:46 AM
Response to Reply #66
68. Do you? (Smile) I've worked at everything from manual labor
Edited on Sat Aug-12-06 01:46 AM by sfexpat2000
to university teaching.

Why do we fear these powerless people?

It's propaganda to focus our attention "over there", an old Republican standard. We are in no crisis. My people have travelled back and forth across this land since time immemorial and we will continue to do that. That's what we do.

It's nothing new.

/oops

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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 01:55 AM
Response to Reply #68
70. It's a function of capitalism to me. Like a zero sum game in that sense
Edited on Sat Aug-12-06 01:56 AM by upi402
I don't fear the people. Just realize that they will lower our standard of living. That's why other countries don't allow it. Just the corporatocracy here. I love your altruism. It's a wonderful way to be. I don't want any part of trying to change it. I wish I still were more altruistic.

If the world could be one somehow, I'd be down with that and do with less in a heartbeat. I just see the world as less like Jean-Jacques Rousseau and more in the needless direction of Hobbes. Maybe I'll get my lost heart back someday. Until then I just try to live indoors and eat good food.

And yes, very hard physical labor for many years. But mitigated by US labor standards. Never under the draconian 3rd world conditions I've only seen.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 02:09 AM
Response to Reply #70
73. upi, I didn't mean you feared anything -- that's just the propaganda.
The corporatists have to put us at each other's throats so they can steal and manipulate and you know that whole song and all its verses.

When we make common cause, we are more able to effect the change we need. But, I guess that kind of thinking pretty much makes me a commy pinko.

:)

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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 10:45 AM
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77. Here are the Southern Poverty Law Center search results for "Lou Dobbs"
That would be the first link in the quote, below. Besides that, posts #42, 56, 7, 13, 17, 30, 35, 44, 43, 85, 74, 57, 62, 66, 67, 75, and others have answered the o.p.'s question. It has been my experience with topics like this that when an o.p.'s seemingly sincere question is answered MULTIPLE and CONCLUSIVE times, and yet the topic goes on and on and the questioner NEVER ACCEPTS the answers, uh...

From the begining of the "illegal immigration" issue, many of us IMMEDIATELY saw the red flag of racism. One wingnut plaintively decried, "Why is it that illegal immigration canNOT be discussed without somebody yelling 'RACISM!'?" My answer is, because the LEADERS in the illegal immigration debate, namely the Minutemen, habitually MIX the issues, COVER their CORE racism with the OTHER issues of "securing the border" or "protecting American workers' wages" or "upholding the law" or "against OPEN BORDERS".

We are Democrats: We are FOR civil rights FOR EVERYBODY, social justice FOR EVERYBODY, and humane treatment FOR EVERYBODY. We are NOT for illegality. We ARE for SANELY secure borders. We are NOT for "open borders".

Now, as for Lou DOBBS, he might well have many positives from our Dem point of view, but specifically on the "Broken Borders" deal, he is solidly and UNQUESTIONINGLY on the side of the Minutemen. It is INDISPUTABLE that, scratch the surface of the MM and THERE IS RACISM. They offically eliminate overt racists from their membership, but the official members just COVER better. There are MANY MORE wannabe Minutemen who are skinheads, Nazis, and plain ol' unaffiliated racists (more links forthwith).

*******QUOTE*******

http://www.splcenter.org/search/s-query.html?tx0=Lou+Dobbs&op0=%2B&fl0=&ty0=w&col=splcall&ht=0&qp=&qt=&qs=&qc=&pw=100%25&la=en&qm=0&st=1&oq=&rq=0&ql=a&si=0&x=38&y=8

Search SPLCenter.org

Results for +Lou +Dobbs Document count: +Lou (17) +Dobbs (62) 10 results: 1-10

SPLCenter.org: Broken Record
Lou Dobbs' daily 'Broken Borders' CNN segment has focused on immigration for years. But there's one issue Dobbs just won't take on.

SPLCenter.org: Anti-Immigration Movement
In recent months, CNN's Lou Dobbs, who hosts

SPLCenter.org: Immigration Watch for July 5, 2006
An e-newsletter monitoring extremism and the anti-immigration movement.

SPLCenter.org: Immigration Watch for Feb. 7, 2006
An e-newsletter monitoring extremism and the anti-immigration movement.

SPLCenter.org: Tell the Truth
A teen magazine makes a to leave out reports of twins' white supremacist roots.

SPLCenter.org: Minuteman Project on fear-mongering campaign
The Minuteman Project, a group of self-styled border vigilantes, arrived in Washington on Friday to support its anti-immigration agenda. Read about the ...

SPLCenter.org: Immigration Watch for Dec. 13, 2005
An e-newsletter monitoring extremism and the anti-immigration movement.

SPLCenter.org: Immigration Watch for May 30, 2006
An e-newsletter monitoring extremism and the anti-immigration movement.

SPLCenter.org: Passive Agressive
Activists met recently to plan a defense against 'The War on Christians. Instead, they attacked and vilified gay people.


SPLCenter.org: The Watcher
A young law student describes his experiences monitoring the anti-immigration vigilantes of the Minuteman Project.

10 results: 1-10


http://www.splcenter.org/intel/news/item.jsp?aid=71

.... Jim Gilchrist...co-author of "Minutemen: The Battle to Secure America's Borders," thought it was just a another truck ad -- until Bilingual Babe speaks Spanish to Manuel. That made him mad.

"It's part of the Trojan horse domination of our culture. Now they're coming after our language...It's another steppingstone in a literal takeover of our country, eventually. . . . I'm supportive of a boycott of Ford, because now they'll be complicit." ....

Luis Lopez, president of the Lake Havasu City chapter of LULAC (League of United Latin American Citizens) doesn't have a high opinion of minutemen-type organizations, "I think they're more racist than anything else," he said. "They're just using (illegal immigration) as a pretense." ....

Want to learn more about the anti-immigration movement? Read these articles from the Southern Poverty Law Center's Intelligence Report:

The Nativists
A survey of hardliners who are fanning the flames of anti-immigration extremism.

The Little Prince
An investigative profile of Minuteman Civil Defense Corps leader Chris Simcox.

Playing Rough
Profiles of some of the more than 40 anti-immigration vigilante outfits formed in the first six months after the Minuteman Project.

The Puppeteer
A report detailing links between white supremacist organizations and anti-immigration groups backed by Federation for American Immigration Reform(FAIR) founder John Tanton.

Open Season
A 2003 feature on anti-immigration vigilantes in the pre-Minuteman era.

The Battle of Georgiafornia
A feature on the hate crime backlash against Hispanic immigrants in Georgia.

Arizona Showdown
A feature on the landmark April, 2005 Minuteman Project in Arizona.

********UNQUOTE*******
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 10:50 AM
Response to Reply #77
78. And a Minutemen treasury
Edited on Sat Aug-12-06 10:53 AM by UTUSN
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Sugarcoated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 11:08 AM
Response to Original message
82. He's not
and the people who say he is are extreme.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 11:25 AM
Response to Reply #82
85. Sympathizers and enablers ARE what they sympathize with and enable n/t
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 12:27 PM
Response to Reply #82
92. Oh boy
People who admire and talk up the CCC and the Minutemen aren't exactly NOT racist.

Nice tactic: calling people "extreme" if they think someone who talks up known racist organizations is probably racist. You know us, the extreme Left Wing. Just like people who talk about Operation Rescue being a great organization are probably not pro-choice or pro women's rights.

Zounds.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 02:38 PM
Response to Reply #82
96. Specific illustrations have been provided in this thread.
Unless, you mean I have an extreme dislike of being dehumanized in which case, I'd have to agree with you.
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El Fuego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 11:13 AM
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83. It's the new "O.J. Simpson" genre of racism
Anyone who defines themselves as a "race" gets a free pass.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 11:19 AM
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84. Do you even watch Lou Dobbs?
Immigrants. Red Chinese. Immigrants. Red Chinese. Jobs being sent overseas to foreigners. Immigrants. Red Chinese again.
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BlueStater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 02:11 PM
Response to Reply #84
93. I watch him every night
You know, you're trying to fool people to think Dobbs is against immigration by not including the "illegal" part of the word. That is a tactic Bushlickers constantly use so I wish you wouldn't do that.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 06:13 AM
Response to Reply #93
100. Have you noticed that everything he does is some kind of "foreign" threat
piece? That's classic xenophobic behavior. Of course he doesn't come right out in the open and say it.
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OregonBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 11:35 AM
Response to Original message
86. Racist/Not Racist, I don't know but I also am opposed to illegal
immigration. I agree with much of what he says. I think he's the only pundit out there really trying to fight for middle-class America.

I don't think that opposing illegal immigration is racist. I do think that the Minutemen are racist and he supports them but, I'm still gonna watch him, I'm still gonna defend his right to have an opinion and I'm still gonna defend your right to agree with him.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 03:02 PM
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97. I have had some neighbors who were "legal" that I would have just loved...
..to have traded for a family of "illegal" immigrants if I could have.

Those same "legal" neighbors that I had didn't like "illegal" immigration just like you and Lou don't. And they really liked saying so too. Kind of like you do.

Funny that, huh?

Don
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BlueStater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 03:17 PM
Response to Reply #97
98. What's with the quotation marks?
And I don't like illegal immigration. I make no secret of it. If you expect me to somehow feel guilty that I would like this country's laws to be upheld than you're looking towards the wrong guy.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 03:18 PM
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99. Cause he is
It's the unrelenting, obsessive anger that marks a true bigot. For Dobbs, everything seems to come back to immigrants.
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entanglement Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 06:28 AM
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101. He isn't a racist, but he's certainly very xenophobic
Watch his show and you get the idea that immigrants are responsible for all our economic woes.
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tlsmith1963 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 07:20 AM
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102. He Uses the term "Illegal Alien"
They aren't from another planet, Mr. Dobbs! I think that term is definitely racist.

Tammy
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