Question: If Lamont Wins, And Lieberman Goes Indy

[SPKrazy]

how will that affect the general election?

does the repuke have enough support to win if Lieberman steals votes from Lamont?

[queenbdem87]

1. NO

the poll ive seen showed lamont and leiberman tied at 40% with the republican a distant third at 15%

[SPKrazy]

5. That's Good

I just don't want to lose a seat

I'd rather have Lamont

If Holy Joe runs Indy, grrrrrr

[TrueFunkSoldier]

6. Fuck that!

It all depends on how big Lamont wins. I think he will win regardless if he wins tonight. There's no way in hell Dems in CT will allow a Repug to win. I think the Dems will unite on whoever the candidate is. I think they will be turned off that LIEberman has turned against the party. He will come off as a self-promoting oppportunist.

[LynzM]

2. Last poll with that possiblity was 40(L)/40(L)/12(Repub)

The last poll with those three was a 40/40/12 split, with the repub getting 12%. So, probably not.

[MercutioATC]

28. That's before the primary results. If Lamont wins, his numbers will go up.

...and Lieberman's will go down.

[LynzM]

45. One would assume so....

So, we will see!! :bounce:

[MrBenchley]

3. Lieberman will most likely win as an Independent

and then we'll spend quite a while listening to the far left cry that it's everybody else's fault that they fucked up.

[SPKrazy]

7. He Needs To Back The Fuck Off

if he loses

he is truly a sore LOSERMAN

[MrBenchley]

11. Why? Because the people who pissed all over party loyalty

now want everybody else to have what they did not?

[Junkdrawer]

17. Say what?

Primaries challenges are not allowed for incumbents?

:wtf:

[MrBenchley]

20. The far left ran a scorched earth campaign

and tomorrow it will be complaining that things are burned....

[SPKrazy]

23. Wahhhhh Wahhhhh Wahhhhhhh

cries little Joey tomorrow

[MrBenchley]

30. That's about what the far left posts here every day

[SPKrazy]

36. Mr. Benchley- Meet The Far Left!

he is ME

Lieberman=GOOD RIDDANCE

no more DINO's

[MrBenchley]

43. Already seen them plainly

The far left is a cancer on the Democratic party.

[SPKrazy]

47. Or It Could Be That The Far Left Is The Healthy Tissue

and the rest like Lieberman are the cancer!!!!!!

[MrBenchley]

57. Not even close to true....

But it's hilarious to hear you pretend so.

By the way, wonder how Lamont is going to do wooing back the 48% of his state's Democrats (mostly working class and poor) who were called "traitors" for supporting Lieberman? I'm sure the racist caricature will be a big help there.

[hoboken123]

83. Racist?

Example please?

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[MrBenchley]

55. Hilariously

neither are you the Democratic party.

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[Horse with no Name]

79. ....

:hi:
Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya.

[Ms. Clio]

81. ciao, little troll

[JerseygirlCT]

39. You keep saying that, but haven' t bothered to back it up with any facts

Want to try?

[MrBenchley]

58. Hey, if you want to play let's pretend

do it without me.

[JerseygirlCT]

69. That's what I thought -- you've got nothing nt

[theHandpuppet]

56. Yeah - 52% of the Dem vote is just the fringe element, the "far left wing"

Sorry, that lame argument doesn't fly anymore. If Lieberman wins in November it will be because of republican votes, which is approriate because that's who he's representing now.

[MrBenchley]

61. Wow, talk about somebody out of touch with reality

"If Lieberman wins in November it will be because of republican votes"
In a state where Republicans outnumber Democrats and moderate independents outnumber both. Good job, there. I expect as the summer turns to autumn and the leaves turn to red and gold, a whole raft of threads from the far left explaining how everybody else screwed up what had been the Democratic party's safest seat.

[JerseygirlCT]

70. Wrong

Biggest number are unaffiliated.

Democrats are the next biggest by a healthy margin.

Republicans are the smallest group in the state.

[Ms. Clio]

82. hey, don't stop being wrong now

this will be fun again in November.

[stepnw1f]

78. Maybe We Only Appear to Be Far-Left

because you are so far right. Just maybe...

Lieberman carried water for the most right wing administration our country has ever seen. So in essence you see Lieberman's support as "mainstream"? What is so moderate about Bush.... or Lieberman?

[SPKrazy]

21. Pissed Over Party Loyalty?

Lieberman Pissed All Over Party Loyalty!

he supported Bush's war, and denounced those who dare to criticize Bush

he shot himself in the feet

fuck him

[MrBenchley]

25. The far left has pissed all over party loyalty

and now they're going to reap what they sowed.

[SPKrazy]

29. Lamont Victory?

yeah, that's good

[Squeech]

49. Please define your terms

Specifically, how does party loyalty apply to somebody who regularly goes on television to attack his own party?

How does party loyalty apply to somebody who says that if he loses his party's primary election, he'll run as an independent?

And how does party loyalty apply to somebody whose constituent outreach has sucked for many years?

Yeah, there was some scorched earth in Connecticut, but I don't think it's where you think it is.

[JerseygirlCT]

71. He won't. He seems to subsist on one-liners that

say nothing of substance.

[Ms. Clio]

80. yep

and everybody knows it.

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[Bridget Burke]

67. You won't switch parties....

You'll continue to vote Republican.

[Don Claybrook]

73. get out now

You had a wonderful 18-post run, but it sounds like it's time for you to (cough, cough) "switch parties".

[TX-RAT]

74. Have to agree with ya Mr B.

If your anything like an FDR-TRUMAN-SCOOP JACKSON, Democrat, you've got a big target on your back.

[Iniquitous Bunny]

24. Primaries decide who we want representing us.

If Lieberman wins, I will vote for him in November. So will Lamont. I expect the SAME respect and party loyalty from Lieberman.

[The Magistrate]

27. He Will Not Win As An Independent, Sir

Should he fail in the primary, as seems likely tonight, he will be a man tainted, who has like Skarphedin of the Saga "lost his luck", and will find none to stand with him in a future contest.

[MrBenchley]

35. I doubt that very much

[The Magistrate]

44. Several Months Ago, Sir, There Was No Doubt He Would Win The Primary

The atmospherics are very important in politics. Once a figure loses the air of invincibilty, his fortunes can dwindle with astonishing speed.

[MrBenchley]

62. That's true

Several months ago, the Republicans' only Senate challenger (a barber from some dink town) had dropped out of his race, and the state's Democrats were trying to unseat the GOP governor. Then the far left got involved and managed to turn the Democrats' safest seat into a seat the Republicans have a good chance of picking up under several not so far fetched scenarios:
--Lieberman turns independent, Schlesinger stays in the race, and Joe gets elected by a coalition of disaffected Democrats, independents and Republicans
--Lieberman turns Republican, Schlesinger drops out of the race, and Joe gets elected by a coalition of disaffected Democrats, independents and Republicans
--Lieberman drops out of the race, Schlesinger drops out of the race, the popular GOP governor names a successor (perhaps Lowell Weicker) and the successor gets elected by a coalition of disaffected Democrats, independents and Republicans
--Lieberman drops out of the race, Schlesinger stays in the race, and Schlesinger gets elected by a coalition of disaffected Demcorats, independents and Republicans riding the governor's coattails.

The alternative is that the Unknown Millionaire somehow manages to win back the 48% of Democrats he and his followers have been calling traitors, etc., and picks up enough independents to win. But Connecticut voters have historically never responded well to extremism, and Lamont has got his primary victory by appealing to the crazies. Look around this board at his whoopsters. Think they can do it?

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[The Magistrate]

72. In My View, Sir

Most of the Democrats who voted for Lieberman in the primary will vote in November for the Party's nominee. People who are committed enough to the Party to show up for its primaries are by and large a loyal lot, who close ranks after such an intramural contest. Indeed, Lieberman's announcement he would break eanks with the Party for an independent run if he lost the primary probably cast him Mr. Lamont's margin of victory. It seems unlikely to me that any number of voters feel themselves stigmatized as traitors and the like for voting as they did in the primary. Mr. Lamont has certainly not called those who voted for his opponent any such thing, and very few people are directly impacted by the excesses of comment on the internet.

Independent voters are a pretty fickle bunch. They generally imagine themselves carefully making rational assessments of candidates "on the issues", but this is mere ordinary human self-deception: the fact is that they have little in the way of political ballast and are the element of the population most swayed by emotional factors. Above all they flock to perceived winners, and shun perceived losers. Lieberman's leading asset with independents was the aura of inevitable victory, and he has lost that irrevocably. Further, he has revealed a very low character trait and raised it to prominence, namely self-interestedness carried to the point of petulance. It is a repellent spectacle on an emotional level: people do not like it, and do not willingly identify themselves with a person who displays it.

The general mood of the people in the country, Sir, is "throw the bums out!" It is, overall, a dangerous time to be an incumbent, and ro be identified with the present regime in Washington. Mr. Lamont is well suited and positioned to capitalize on this mood. His position on the war in Iraq is the general position of the people of the country. Neither his manner nor his expression is extremist, nor is his background.

[JerseygirlCT]

37. You sure have a twisted idea of party loyalty

Wonder if you'd be saying the same if you couldn't stand an incumbent?

[MrBenchley]

41. LOL!

[fujiyama]

50. LOL what?

Are you happy or not that McKinney is losing her race? Tough luck Mr. B. This is how Democracy works. Sometimes your guy or girl doesn't win. And if care so fuckin' much about party "loyalty" you wouldn't support someone jumping ship if he/she lost.

And no, I don't support McKinney if she loses her race (hell I don't support her at all).

[MrBenchley]

63. LOL!

[Ms. Clio]

77. (snicker)

LOSERman.

[Selatius]

60. What the fuck are you going on about?

Either you believe in the Democratic rank-and-file's right to have a primary, or you don't. You can't have it both ways. It's a yes or no question. Either you believe in it, or you don't.

[wakeme2008]

8. IMHO I Joey loses by 10% or more he will not run nt

[princehal]

10. It will allow

Joe to betray us ONE MORE TIME!

[MrBenchley]

12. You got no kick coming....

The far left were the ones yowling he had to leave the party....

Real Democrats were trying to beat actual Republicans....

[TrueFunkSoldier]

14. You know...

you are really getting on my fucking nerves! Why don't you just go away already! Whoever CT chooses is NOT up to YOU!!!!

[MrBenchley]

18. You know, I really don't give a shit

[TrueFunkSoldier]

32. Not only do you not give a shit...

...you apparently don't know shit, either! I'm not surprised...

[d_b]

52. You learn quickly around here.

Welcome to DU!

[KingFlorez]

19. What is with all the far left talk?

Hmmm

[MrBenchley]

22. Don't cry to me because you're clueless....

[KingFlorez]

31. Whatever

[Ms. Clio]

76. just par for the course with this one

one of the more desperate DINOS.

[Tesha]

13. Or maybe not.

But that would suck for you, wouldn't it?

Tesha

[newsguyatl]

16. ha! u wish

[Ms. Clio]

75. (snicker)

[rpgamerd00d]

4. No. Latest polls show Ned vs LIEber in dead heat for general.

GOPer is a joke.

[readmoreoften]

9. I am concerned that some republicans might flip, just to ensure

that their "lesser of two evils" wins.

[JerseygirlCT]

34. Not just some. Lots. nt

[ISUGRADIA]

15. No, he's raised $35,000 as of June and has admitted

going to casinos under a false name after being banned. He's not a threat.

[Nikki Stone 1]

38. What a strange candidate!

:D

[fujiyama]

53. He's barely polling double digits

In a way I want to see Joe run as an independant just to see him betray his senate supporters in the primaries. It'd be great to see Schumer and others squirming to distance themselves from a man running as a SPOILER!

And they should know, if they ever want broad support from Dem constituents, they should use better judgement next time in not supporting such a repuke ass kisser.

[Nikki Stone 1]

54. I'm surprised he's polling at all.

But as far as Lieberman is concerned, running indy will make it clear that he is about self and not party. Any Dem that supports him will be working against the party for their own interests.

[cgrindley]

26. If Lieberman goes Indy, Danica Patrick will kick his ass

He's way too old to handle one of those cars.

[JerseygirlCT]

33. No, I think it would still come down to

Lieberman vs. Lamont. But Lieberman could have a whole lot of the state's Republicans voting for him.

[Cleita]

40. He will act as a spoiler.

I hope he cares enough about his country not to do this. Now he could run as a Republican and no one would give a damn.

[SPKrazy]

42. 38% Reporting! Lamont 54%-LIEberman 46%

U.S. Senate - - Dem Primary
287 of 748 Precincts Reporting - 38.37%
Name Party Votes Pct
Lamont, Ned Dem 61,449 53.62
Lieberman, Joe (i) Dem 53,159 46.38

[fujiyama]

46. This exchange looks so amusing

I'm going to have to take someone off my ignore list!

[Lilith Velkor]

59. I wouldn't

It takes a special quality to make Jim Sagle look like the Magistrate.

[SPKrazy]

51. Tightening Up 50% Reporting--52%-48%

U.S. Senate - - Dem Primary
376 of 748 Precincts Reporting - 50.27%
Name Party Votes Pct
Lamont, Ned Dem 70,444 52.13
Lieberman, Joe (i) Dem 64,700 47.87

[natrat]

68. the nader douchebag will run in ct

god do i fucking hate him

[Freddie Stubbs]

84. Not the current Republican running

But if her were to withdraw (and there is pressure for him to do so) it will be a Lamont vs. Lieberman race.