Can we talk? Please??

[kentuck]

http://billmon.org/

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Two weeks ago Lebanon's Prime Minister was demanding an immediate cease fire while Shrub and company were insisting that only a "lasting cease fire," leading to a "permanent solution," would do.

Now it's the other way around:

Speaking to reporters today at his ranch in Crawford, Tex., where he is on vacation, Mr. Bush said, “Everyone wants the violence to stop.’’

“People understand that there needs to be a cessation of hostilities in order for us to address the root causes of the problem,’’ he said . .

Mr. Siniora said he opposed the cease-fire resolution in its current form, saying it would not effectively halt the violence. “It barely leads to a cease-fire,’’ he said, with tears in his eyes. “We want a permanent and full cease-fire.’’

Obviously, something has changed -- that something being the completely unexpected outcome of the war (unexpected by everyone but Hizbullah I mean.)

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But every word spoken by the respective sides since Sunday indicates that the Israelis and the Americans have reached a point where they both want a cease fire more badly than Hizbullah does. The Israeli papers have been filled with loose talk from Jerusalem about what a good deal the Anglo-French draft is for the Jewish State (or rather was, since it appears DOA.) Either the Israelis are being exceptionally crafty (i.e. they want Hizbullah to think they want a ceasefire when actually they don't) or they're just bad poker players. Under the circumstances, and given the growing hysteria about the IDF's inabilty to stop or even slow Hizbullah's rocket fire, I'd say it was the latter.

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[acmavm]

1. That's what happens when bullys who expect to be able to

walk in, kick ass, and clean up find that the guy(s) they're picking on aren't impressed anymore.

edit: The Palestinians and Hebzollah have had a long time to get ready for this. They've taken constant shit from Israel and gotten the short end of the stick from the US.

[Nimrod2005]

2. Very good post, sums up our foreign policy - Schitsofrantic.

Or no policy at all, just a bunch of repeated shots in the dark...

Have I told you how much I hate these people?

[leveymg]

3. This is what happens when you have the same group of idiots who got the

U.S. to invade Iraq design a war in Lebanon.

Just call in Captain Chaos, Giggles and the Gold Rolex Unplanned Casualty Squad



Planning another, bigger war for you!

[madokie]

4. Now that is five scary duds

and not a fucking one of 'em is a patriot

[leftchick]

7. you forgot one

he makes my skin crawl!

[leftchick]

5. bush is a liar

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Bush is on vacation, his favorite place to be during a major crisis. The August retreat is the only open admission he makes that Cheney and Rumsfeld are actually running the country, and he just doesn't need to be in his office. The only difference between his stonewalling of Lebanon and the way he let New Orleans drown is that he has put away the banjo this summer, at least in public view. He had someone tie a necktie on him and stopped manically clearing brush for long enough to come out with Condi and hold a press conference. He lied, saying that no one wants to see the violence continue. He wants to see the violence continue. Otherwise he would insist on a ceasefire. You see, if you don't have a ceasefire, the violence continues. If you oppose a ceasefire, you are saying you want the violence to continue. He does.


http://www.juancole.com/

[Oversea Visitor]

6. The Arab league untite and bang tables

OIC is also there but quiet.
NAM is there but quiet
Ante got up.

Russia state their position it is on their news.Anything reloution that does not include the Lebanon point of view not acceptable.

China has engineer ready to help Lebanon.

EU siding with Lebanon.

US and Isreal alone here.

UK blair pants on fire, no sound from Australia or Japan.

bush can rant rave all he wants. I think lots of countries have enough of all his nonesense.

He is not going to get his way. And if he do not give way here. Something going to blow.

[leveymg]

8. Good point, OSV. This just about blows any chance of getting the UN

to agree to any sort of Iran sanctions. Nobody in their right mind is going to give the BushCons a ticket to start another war under these circumstances.

The rest of the world is going to decide to end this on their own terms, not those spelled out in Washington and Jerusalem.

[Oversea Visitor]

9. Forget about sanction on Iran

They need another 20 years to get a nuke.
All this talk about Iran just so much hogwash by bush.
We do have CNN here even my 84 years old mother turn it off when he start talking.

[madokie]

10. Give her a hug for madokie if you will

:hi:

[Oversea Visitor]

11. It is something to do with body language

He is ........ :puke:

[pooja]

12. I think you need to read the cease-fire agreement... it would

not stop Israel from being able to "defend" itself against hezbollah. Essentially, lebanon gets creamed.