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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 01:07 PM
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Just heard on CNN - NORAD to be moved out of Cheyenne mountain.
To be sent to an Airforce base because, get this, THEY (Bush and crew) decided the chances of China and Russia attacking us with nuclear weapons is very unlikely. I call bullshit on this one here and now!

Something's up.
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leeroysphitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 01:08 PM
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1. This makes me nervous. Anyone got a decent link?
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 01:10 PM
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5. Check this thread:
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Wonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 01:10 PM
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6. NORADs Daily Operations To Move
The U.S. militarys nuke-proof operations center at Cheyenne Mountain in Colorado will move to nearby Peterson Air Base, a military spokesman told Air Force Times on July 28.

Officials with the North American Aerospace Defense Command will keep the facility on warm standby, said Lt. Cmdr. Sean Kelly, a NORAD spokesman, but the day-to-day work carried out there now will shift over the next two years to NORADs headquarters at Peterson.

more
http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?F=1985137&C=americ...
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 02:03 PM
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25. This is weird, too
Edited on Fri Jul-28-06 02:04 PM by Emit
Apparently, there had been a study before this decision was made (this article below says they are not really shutting it down, just downsizing the crew) -- and the study was prompted by:

The study is rooted in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, the former government official said.

That day, Gen. Ralph Ed Eberhart, who at the time was chief of NORAD and U.S. Space Command, spent 45 minutes getting from Peterson to Cheyenne Mountain, which had communications capabilities not available at Peterson.

Enroute, he lost a cellphone call with Vice President Dick Cheney, underscoring the fact that Eberhart, now retired, wasnt at his battle station inside the mountain.

A short time later, the order was given to shoot down a hijacked airliner, five minutes after the plane plunged into a Pennsylvania field.

New repeater stations were installed almost immediately to fix the phone problem, and Congress began pumping money into Peterson.
http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:VIGAsyoylAQJ:www.glo...

On edit -- oops, meant to reply to OP -- ah well.



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Jara sang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 01:11 PM
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7. Here you go, from NORAD:
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ceile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 01:09 PM
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2. What about NK?
Or Iran? Or any other country with nukes? Definitely something up there.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 01:13 PM
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12. My thoughts exactly, why move critical operations away from
a fortified area? Relocation to an Airforce base means exposure to the environment! Shit like this really pisses me off!
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Nickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 01:15 PM
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13. Wonder if it's moving from one Congressional District to another?
I'd be curious to see who is losing out if at all in this move from a Congressional District aspect.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 03:31 PM
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30. If that is the case then they are playing with national security
wouldn't surprise me in the least.
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 01:26 PM
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20. The official reason
is that it's inefficient for the commander, located at Peterson, to have to move to Cheyenne during a crisis.

http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?F=1985137&C=americ...
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 03:39 PM
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33. So, because of the commanders inability to get there fast
Edited on Fri Jul-28-06 03:39 PM by Rex
the entire structure must be moved to an unprotected air base. I mean, protected but not nuclear protected (as if there really is any safe guards against a direct nuke hit).

Just reminds me of something my late grandfather would say, 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it.'
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uncle ray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 07:55 PM
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47. ha! protected?
i live literally just a few blocks from the enterance to peterson afb. i was quite shocked at the low level of security on a daily basis. i'm not military, but had some personal business on base, met someone who lives on base outside the gate, and followed them onto base in my car, no search, no ID check, just waved me on through.
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bananarepublican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 12:43 AM
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49. They should have been based at the WTC !!!
At least then their incompetence would have cost them something.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 01:10 PM
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3. Coming soon to every city near you...
eom
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 01:10 PM
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4. Shadow Government
Edited on Fri Jul-28-06 01:12 PM by Beetwasher
They're moving it to a new super-secret location that only Neo-Cons will know about, so any future Dem administration or congress will have no control or say or knowledge of it ever again.
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 01:13 PM
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11. Dick Cheney will disappear on August 3rd!
kidding!

But, yes. I wonder where the Bilderberg's are heading for. :scared:
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 04:15 PM
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35. Yup, that was my first thought
A new Civilian Spy Facility, boardrooms, torture chamber and living quarters.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 04:28 PM
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36. Post in LBN says a Denver paper guy opined the place will be used
as a 'second government' structure. What I don't understand is if they all want to Rapture, why hide inside a mountain?
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 01:11 PM
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8. Halliburton needs a new contract?
Jebus, they've spent hundreds of billions in the mountain, I'm sure it's still as much state of the art tech-wise as when I worked in there back in the 60s. Boy, things that make you go :wtf:
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 01:12 PM
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9. I have no expertiese on NORAD, but I don't trust the opinion of
anyone in this admin at all! I know, for years, I was told NORAD was always watching, and any attack from ANYWHERE would be spotted and "handled", except on 9/11, I don't think I even heard NORAD mentioned, at least not for several days! That was one of the big questions I had at the time!

Are they now saying they were only watching Russia and China, and since Shrub doesn't see any threats there, he's disolving NORAD??????
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 01:12 PM
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10. Didn't they have some nefarious plan to set up a capital near Denver?
NORAD is more down near the Springs, but I'm sure they'd find the uber-fundie climate most congenial. :puke:
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 01:17 PM
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14. Does anyone smarter on these matters than I am know
whether NORAD has ever been moved out before. This is such a weird thing -- pretty odd given all the 'terra, terra, terra' imposed on us and then this.
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 01:24 PM
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17. I don't believe so
"NORAD" and "Cheyenne Mountain" have been used interchangably as the name for over 40 years, though its operations are dispersed over the continent. The locus is at Cheyenne and has never moved as far as I know.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 01:20 PM
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15. Are they setting up a target for an attack by N. Korea so
that we can set up martial law, declare war on N. Korea and cancel elections?

Also, won't that bunker be a good place to move the Washington government into while nuclear war happens all over us? I say if they do move in there, we should seal the entrances and keep them there.

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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 07:06 PM
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46. That's my plan. Spoof an attack, get them all into bunkers and then click!
Lockie doorie.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 01:22 PM
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16. Maybe they're expanding Stargate Command.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 01:30 PM
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22. You beat me to it.
Edited on Fri Jul-28-06 01:45 PM by TheWraith
This seems very odd--I can't see any sufficiently good reason why you'd want to move your main aerospace defense command out of a hardened facility and into an open air base.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 07:03 PM
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45. LOL! Good one!
I thought they were working in area 51 instead.
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benddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 01:25 PM
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18. Isn't Peterson AFB
right in Denver?? Or is it downtown Colorado Springs. It's been a long time since I was stationed there.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 01:56 PM
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24. Peterson is on the EAST side of CSpgs. Cheyenne Mtn is way on the WEST
side, up against the Front Range of the Rockies. There is no easy way to drive from one to the other, last I was there. Tangled spaghetti streets.............though in a crisis they could helicopter him across town.
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 05:27 PM
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41. It's not like that
These days it's not hard to drive from Peterson to NORAD, but maintaining the operation inside the mountain is pretty expensive considering that they could just have it at Peterson, where all the other non-operation people they deal with already are. Considering that a warhead these days could blow down the entire Cheyenne mountain anyway, let alone the structure inside, it makes perfect sense to have the operation at Pete field.

Personally I don't buy in to this shadow government theory.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 01:26 PM
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19. maybe there are setting us up for the next attack
these are very sick people.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 01:27 PM
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21. oh shit.
:scared:
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 01:31 PM
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23. OMG!
Edited on Fri Jul-28-06 01:32 PM by cat_girl25
They know something! :scared:
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MissB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 02:04 PM
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26. Supervolcano is going to explode any day now.
No biggie.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 02:17 PM
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27. If it's true at all, they could just be planning on using it as...
...a new toxic/nuclear dump site. With today's technology, they could just be upgrading to a mobile NORAD, thus eliminating its biggest weakness. It could be something really bad, but there's no reason to assume that right off, again if it's true at all.
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 02:24 PM
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28. So what are they going to start using it for after NORAD moves out.
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 02:29 PM
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29. They wouldn't happen to be shutting down Gitmo anytime soon, would they?
Edited on Fri Jul-28-06 02:29 PM by JHB
Instead of offshoring their bad business, they'll just put it underground -- literally.

Just my paranoid guess.
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 03:31 PM
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31. Let me guess .... they're moving NORAD to Pearl Harbor, right?




:shrug:



:nuke:




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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 03:34 PM
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32. The NeoCons are dismantling our defenses.. something wicked this way comes

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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 03:43 PM
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34. it's because they are building the Star Gate there instead
They need the room.
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malmapus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 05:01 PM
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39. Beat me to it heh
They need to move Stargate Command there.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 05:03 PM
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40. I see some others beat us to it too.
damned wormholes.
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 04:32 PM
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37. Maybe Bush and Cheney want to move into Cheyenne mountain themselves.
Edited on Fri Jul-28-06 04:33 PM by gatorboy
A nice large area for the "have mores" to hunker down in when the missiles start flying.

And wouldn' t that be a bite in the ass? The world goes to shit because of Bush and it will probably be him and his buddies that will survive it.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 04:36 PM
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38. I think Bush wants to move into the Garden of the Gods.
And Cheney just wants to award another no bid, cost plus, contract to Halliburton/B&R, to half assed build something else that we didn't really need!
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my_pet_wolf Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 11:38 PM
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48. OMG!c- maybe it is a set up for the top secret - OPERATION:Rapture !! n/t
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 09:55 AM
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52. BushCo and their brethren, the cockroaches.
Rev. Moon bought a lot of land in Paraguay, too. It's near the world's largest aquifer. Coca grows there, as well.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 05:27 PM
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42. the NORAD complex in Cheyenne Mountain was basically obsolete just
Edited on Fri Jul-28-06 05:29 PM by Raster
a few years after completion. NOTHING, NO PLACE is nuclear blast proof. NORAD's perceived trump card--besides being buried beneath a mountain of solid granite-- was that the targeting of big payload rockets with a single warhead was precarious at best. NORAD was meant to survive a near miss, not a direct hit. That all changed with the development of (a) smaller, lighter warheads; (b)the multiple re-entry vehicle (MERV); and (3) Global Positioning technology. Add to the mix festive things like cruise missiles that can be delivered to just inches from a selected target, and no place on Earth can be rendered nuclear blast proof. NORAD was based on late sixties and seventies technology.

on edit: Beside, where would they put the Stargate?
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steely Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 06:24 PM
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43. Making room for a Stargate? hmmmmm?
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 07:02 PM
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44. Let me guess - Cheney wants the space, needs a bigger bunker? nt
Edited on Fri Jul-28-06 07:03 PM by glitch
edit: looks like I wasn't the first to hit that conclusion.
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OnceUponTimeOnTheNet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 12:58 AM
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50. off topic perhaps
but, so what. the cheney minions are gonna drop a nuke on us somedang where. that is what i see them doing. nothing is beyond their capabilities and willingness. nothing.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 01:14 AM
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51. CNNs Paula Zahn will be doing a special on the End Times
this Monday! I think that's how you spell her name. My question is, what if it happens Sunday. Boy will she have egg on her face!

Cheney minions can't wait to make more money er defend freedom!
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