Pandering Alert: House Votes to "Support" Israel

[SammyBlue]

House overwhelmingly backs Israel in vote

By ANNE PLUMMER FLAHERTY
Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 16 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - The House, displaying a foreign affairs solidarity lacking on issues like Iraq, voted overwhelmingly Thursday to support Israel in its confrontation with Hezbollah guerrillas.

The resolution, which was passed on a 410-8 vote, also condemns enemies of the Jewish state.

House Republican leader John Boehner cited Israel's "unique relationship" with the United States as a reason for his colleagues to swiftly go on record supporting Israel in the latest flare-up of violence in the Mideast.

Little of the political divisiveness in Congress on other national security issues was evident as lawmakers embraced the Bush administration's position.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060720/ap_on_go_co/us_mideast

Now, I support Israel completely. It is the one place in the world (save the United States, but that can be debated if you look at hate crime statistics) where Jews can be Jews without worry of a Holocaust, pogrom, inquisition or some hate minded, half brained genocidal jackass looking to wipe out the Jewish people from within.

However, this is complete political pandering to the Jewish vote in this country. So long as Israel exists, these Rapture Rights on the GOP side of the aisle see nothing wrong with Jews (or Arabs. . .especially Arabs) dying in their warped view of the second coming. Add to that their transparent election year pandering to the Jewish Vote and it no suprise the Republicans would do this.

What these people don't understand is their base are most anti-Semetic, Jew hating rednecks that would listen and read the preachings of the National Alliance (don't click this link unless you really want to gouge your eyes out) and Hal Turner (Again, HUGE WARNING). Ever wonder why people like that find a home in the Republican party? The Republican base listen to this with the intent of believing that Jews put their horns away in public, control the world and use the Holocaust as a mass Jewish conspiracy to gain sympathy. These people believed the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and still do.

I am tired of the Republicans using Israel as a political tool. The Republican fought recognizing Israel because Jews didn't deserve a State. Now, they bleed the Star of David??? Bullshit!!!

[ComerPerro]

1. Their ads this fall are gonna be interesting

[Jacobin]

2. I have a question

I really don't know the answer and I'm not trying to be snarky. You say that the U.S. and Israel are the only two places in the world where Jews aren't subject to very bad treatment.

Do you have an explanation for that? Other than 'discrimination'...I mean there are a couple of other religions/races I can think of that suffer from pretty intense discrimination.

Why is it that you believe Jews are the object of scorn to the extent that you describe?

Thank you and I'll just shut up and read any response.

[SammyBlue]

4. Simple.

Jews are looked at as the Killers of Christ. It's that simple.

[Jacobin]

12. I don't think so.

The fundamentalists are the biggest supporters of Israel in the country today. What you say is true 20 or 40 years ago, but in the last 15 years or so, there has been an enormous shift.

I listen to RW fundie preachers on the radio in my drives in the south and they forking WORSHIP Israel. I know its for a delusional reason..i.e. they think Jayzus is coming back when the Arabs attack the Jews and Jayzus will be the major of Jerusalem and all the Jews will be converted to Xtianity...I know their reasoning is utterly bonkers, but they DO NOT HATE JEWS. They LOVE the Jewish people.

The other day I heard one of these fundie preachers saying that the Bible creates a covenant with Israel and that all his listeners should call congress AND ENCOURAGE THEM TO SEND US TROOPS TO DESTROY LEBANON.

This IS NOT an isolated phenomenon. It is what is happening in the RW fundie churches all over america.

[SammyBlue]

13. Rapture. . .Fundies need Israel to exist for the Rapture to happen.

[Jacobin]

15. I know that

But they are the biggest supporters of Israel out there.

What does that do to your theory of why Jews are hated, posited by the original poster in this thread?

[SammyBlue]

17. Reinforces it, because if Israel didn't exist, the Rapture wouldn't happen

They hate Jews, but need Israel for their delusional Rapture Needs.

[Jacobin]

22. that is so far off the mark

its not even worth responding to

[jonnyblitz]

14. i read a book called "the history of anti-semitism"

and the book basically said the same thing. The Catholic Church was the biggest promulgator of it. Even the nazi's SECULAR bigotry parakeeted the religion based anti-semitism. they told the same bullshit myths which i dont care to list.

Christianity(catholicism) is or was the biggest promulgater of it, based on what I have read.

and of course we all know about the Nazi ratline via the vatican to south america after the war.

[Jacobin]

16. Please see my post above

Christian churches, particularly the RW fundy churches, are enormous supporters of Israel, which is one reason why Smirky falls over backwards in what he THINKS is supporting Israel. (I believe he is wrong and that not brokering peace is going to hurt Israel more than allowing it to blow the crap out of its neighbors, but thats another story)

[MercutioATC]

3. I'm not against the existence of a Jewish state...

...I'm against plunking it down in the middle of a bunch of Arab countries.

Take the kid who's always picked on in class, arm him to the teeth, and put him at the lunch table with all of the kids that hate him. On what planet was this a good idea?

[coalition_unwilling]

6. Ding, ding, ding! King of Saudi Arabia warned FDR against

establishing Jewish state in Palestine and suggested instead it be established in the ruins of post-war Germany. That, to my mind, would have been far preferable to what actually did happen.

I believe that Jews deserve a state, have no doubt, but I wanted that state to be established on ground that would serve the needs of justice (Germany), not injustice (Palestine).

[SammyBlue]

7. Because Jews have a historical and religious claim to the land

and the country that controlled the area (Britian) didn't want Holocaust survivors.

Put yourself in 1948. You have displaced Jews that NO COUNTRY IN THE WORLD WANTS. These Jews have wanted to return to the land of Zion since Theodor Herzl came up with the concept. Britian, that controls it, is leaving the area. Where do you put these people?

NO COUNTRY, NOT EVEN AMERICA, WANTED TO TAKE THESE PEOPLE IN!!! After 12 years of Nazi brutality, no Western country cared enough to say "please come here, Jews." Remember, Canada stated it best. When asked at a 1938 conference on the German treatment of Jews how many refugees the Canadians would take, the Canadian diplomat stated "None is too many."

What do you do? Put yourself in 1948.

[MercutioATC]

9. So do Christians and Muslims.

I realize that nobody wanted them... including the Middle East.

Since nobody wanted them, it was decided to place them in the midst of a bunch of countries that hated them. Does that make any sense?

[SammyBlue]

11. WHERE WOULD YOU PUT THEM, if where they were put is illogical?

NO ONE WANTED THEM!!!

Don't give me a cop out. . .give me an answer. Not even the USA wanted them.

[MercutioATC]

20. Anyplace else.

My point is that you're right...NOBODY wanted them. Regardless of where the Jewish state was created, it would have caused issues.

...but creating it in the Middle East was perhaps the WORST idea possible. ANYPLACE else would have been better.

[Jacobin]

18. oh, the bible said it was their land

gotcha.

:eyes:

[SammyBlue]

19. Ignored for being stupid.

[Norquist Nemesis]

8. Unfortunately, we can't turn back the clock

I agree it did a disservice to the Jews. At this point, it reminds me of an abused child who we raised, but now we just keep making excuses for her now that she's all grown up and continuing a cycle of violence.

[Ian David]

10. Why didn't we all just move to Canada after November 2004? n/t

[Norquist Nemesis]

5. Kudos to Ron Paul, John Sununu, and (one I can't remember)

I watched part of that "debate" and those are the only three that I saw who stood to criticize the resolution for not recognizing the Lebanese people. From what they said, it originally had wording that was more 'balanced', but it was taken out.

[SammyBlue]

24. You're praising right wing uber-loon John Sununu???

[warrens]

21. They might wanna read the front page of today's WSJ

I only have the paper version, but the headline is something to the effect of, "Air war in Lebanon ineffective, Israel mulls land war."

Yeah, that's the ticket. House to house fighting in Beirut. The last time, it lasted over a decade.

[SammyBlue]

23. Retarded for Israel to do that. They were successful with

Operation Wrath of G-d. Time to do that again. . .wanton destruction is not needed to get rid of the terrorists in Hezbollah.

[The Magistrate]

25. Locking

Links to hate sites are against the rules, whatever the purpose behind the link. It is clear that there is a good deal of poisonous expression to be found on Middle Eastern matters from outright hate-mongers.

This is a matter, however, in which people of good heart and sound intellect may well find themselves taking opposite stands. It would help if this was borne in mind when the matter is discussed here.