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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 09:25 AM Original message |
John Kerry: Public Enemy #1 to the DC Establishment |
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stepnw1f (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 09:27 AM Response to Original message |
1. This Puts a Big Smile on My Face |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 09:33 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Thanks -- sometimes art allows you to put together all the pieces |
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freesqueeze (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 09:35 AM Response to Original message |
3. I've also noted the Kerry Demonization |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 09:39 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Because it will say something that the Bush administration doesn't |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 11:06 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. I don't think that's it |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 12:13 PM Response to Reply #8 |
15. Well, he's a bigger target and often will get more attention |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 12:51 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. Sorry, that's just |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 04:21 PM Response to Reply #8 |
72. Leahy was also a target for anthrax by these people. Of course, Kerry is |
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LittleClarkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 10:18 AM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Not to mention the travesty of an article at CNN.com |
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_dynamicdems (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 12:36 PM Response to Reply #3 |
18. They're worried about their careers. They don't want anyone |
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wisteria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 10:12 AM Response to Original message |
5. Chuck D sounds like a very astute guy. Oh, and it is true about |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 10:53 AM Response to Original message |
7. Cool post! n/t |
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NoodleyAppendage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 11:17 AM Response to Original message |
9. And, so begins the Kerry rehabilitation / obfuscation campaign... |
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MH1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 11:35 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. My, you haven't been paying attention, have you? |
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NoodleyAppendage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 01:11 PM Response to Reply #10 |
20. So quick with the DU rules quotations...you Kerry lovers. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 11:43 AM Response to Reply #9 |
13. Nothing can inspire opinion like democracy, heh? n/t |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 12:21 PM Response to Reply #9 |
16. And that has anything to do with my post because why? |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 04:54 PM Response to Reply #9 |
79. No need to tear down one guy- just prop up your own. n/t |
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Democrafty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 11:41 AM Response to Original message |
11. Good observations! |
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Revolution_July4 (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 11:43 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. John Kerry is the Washington Establishment |
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NoodleyAppendage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 01:13 PM Response to Reply #12 |
21. Careful, Rev. Your opinions are not welcome by the Kerry crew. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 03:57 PM Response to Reply #21 |
66. It's more like that opinion has no basis in the historic record. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 02:58 PM Response to Reply #12 |
39. That's the Dem PARTY PLATFORM. Kerry is the most ostracized lawmaker |
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bobbieinok (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 03:29 PM Response to Reply #12 |
49. and when he took on the BCCI he was part of the DC establishment???? |
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iconoclastNYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 12:13 PM Response to Original message |
14. Sorry but that doesn't pass the giggle test. |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 12:35 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. I guess you didn't see how his amendment was purposefully |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 01:43 PM Response to Reply #14 |
22. What's a Howard Dean like figure? Am I missing something? |
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iconoclastNYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 02:16 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. Just how useless was his analogies? |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 02:33 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. Sorry, but maybe you need to re-read Dean's biography |
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iconoclastNYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 02:54 PM Response to Reply #31 |
36. Sad you choose to insult Dean to defend Kerry |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 03:08 PM Response to Reply #36 |
42. Kerry grows up in Boston and Europe and he "effects" a Kennedy accent? |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 03:17 PM Response to Reply #36 |
45. You left me no choice but to go after Dean, when you said . . . |
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iconoclastNYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-02-06 01:55 AM Response to Reply #45 |
95. He appeals to the people. |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 03:29 PM Response to Reply #36 |
48. And one more thing: YOU brought Dean up in the first place, not me!! n/t |
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midnight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-01-06 06:17 AM Response to Reply #48 |
92. You have informed me on little thinks about Kerry and Dean. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 02:44 PM Response to Reply #26 |
34. So you respond with the |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 03:11 PM Response to Reply #26 |
43. Smells like flopsweat. Stop revising 2004. That's Rove's job. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 04:57 PM Response to Reply #26 |
81. Evidently BushInc believes so - he's the one they still attack the most. |
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MH1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 05:46 PM Response to Reply #26 |
87. Hmmm....need someone "likeable"... |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 01:55 PM Response to Reply #14 |
23. I hear he's practicing his yee haws. |
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iconoclastNYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 02:12 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. The ones that vote Democratic are more radical then 'centrist' |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 02:19 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. Nonvoters: there's also the apathetic/too busy explanation |
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iconoclastNYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 02:23 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. There was also unprecedented SUPRESSION efforts |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 02:30 PM Response to Reply #25 |
30. The #1 concern in Ohio was "security," as I recall. |
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iconoclastNYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 02:39 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. Why was "Security" the number one issue? |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 02:53 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. What's the point of your contradictions: he didn't win, but he won? n/t |
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iconoclastNYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 02:57 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. My point is |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 02:55 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. Have you forgotten the Breslan school massacre from the fall 2004? |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 06:16 PM Response to Reply #32 |
91. Not much Kerry could do about 9/11. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 03:02 PM Response to Reply #14 |
40. Still haven't read the National Security Archives, eh, icon? Can you NAME |
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Kerry fan (351 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 01:57 PM Response to Original message |
24. I think their biggest problem with both Kerry and Gore |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 03:25 PM Response to Reply #24 |
46. Exactly - while Dems blame, GOPs KNOW that both Gore and Kerry won and |
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IA_Seth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 02:22 PM Response to Original message |
28. Thanks for the post... |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 02:43 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. Ha ha -- did you see that B movie Bulworth with Warren Beatty, |
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NYCGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 03:04 PM Response to Original message |
41. What the hell does Chuck D have to do with John Kerry? NT |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 03:14 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. She's talking about the way Kerry was attacked last few weeks by GOPs and |
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NYCGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 03:36 PM Response to Reply #44 |
54. It's certainly a reach. NT |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 03:42 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. I think ANYONE who sticks their neck out and makes uncomfortable truths |
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NYCGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 03:55 PM Response to Reply #56 |
64. Except that Kerry is coming from a position of more power than most of us |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 04:03 PM Response to Reply #64 |
68. In one way, yes... in another, he has made some dangerous choices.... |
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NYCGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 04:22 PM Response to Reply #68 |
74. It's the price you pay for being in the public eye. He knew the job was |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 04:25 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. Sure - but he never had establishment protection because it was the |
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Clarkie1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 03:28 PM Response to Original message |
47. uh...Kerry is part of the DC establishment. That's a fact. nt |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 03:30 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. See BLM's posts for why that's NOT a fact. n/t |
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Clarkie1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 03:32 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. LOL. Is this 1984? Is war also peace? left is right? up is down? |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 03:40 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. Your snarky remarks have nothing to back them up. |
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Clarkie1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 03:44 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. He's a career politician and has been part of the priviledged elite |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 03:53 PM Response to Reply #58 |
63. Who never chose the easy path of going along just to get along. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 04:51 PM Response to Reply #58 |
78. HAHAHAHAHAHHAHH..... what a narrow view - as if there are no exceptions |
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LittleClarkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 06:12 PM Response to Reply #58 |
90. And when your "outsider" gets elected |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 04:08 PM Response to Reply #52 |
69. Kerry started in office in 1985. 21 years of bucking DC establishment |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 04:18 PM Response to Reply #52 |
71. Ah. You've now decided to play the Skull and Bones card. |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 04:57 PM Response to Reply #52 |
80. Please list Kerry's evil deeds performed through his S&B connections. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 03:32 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. The OP makes an excellent case, as does Kerry's work, to disprove that n/t |
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Clarkie1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 03:35 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. Sorry, but you can't disprove a fact. nt |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 03:43 PM Response to Reply #53 |
57. But you can prove a fact: So, What is the DC establishment? |
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Clarkie1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 03:47 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. Career politicians. Any senator that has served over one term. nt |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 03:52 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. There are politicians fighting against |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 03:56 PM Response to Reply #60 |
65. Unlike Thelma Drake, Republican in my district who hasn't even |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 04:12 PM Response to Reply #60 |
70. That's absurd. Many pols have served multiple terms and never been |
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Clarkie1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 04:25 PM Response to Reply #70 |
75. hmmm....I not sure sure. Difference of opinion, I guess. nt |
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MH1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 05:24 PM Response to Reply #60 |
83. So, you are including Paul Wellstone. Got it. nt |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 05:00 PM Response to Reply #57 |
82. Clark . He spends so much time speaking with the Democratic leadership |
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MH1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 05:25 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. Yep, I would say Clark has some insider status. nt |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 03:44 PM Response to Reply #53 |
59. Here are the facts for which I referred to in the previous comment: |
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Clarkie1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 03:49 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. My definition of establishment: a priviledged, elitist, career politician. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 03:59 PM Response to Reply #61 |
67. HAHA...tell that to the DC establishment - no one has been more OSTRACIZED |
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Clarkie1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 04:21 PM Response to Reply #67 |
73. Ted Kennedy has ostracized John Kerry? |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 04:28 PM Response to Reply #73 |
77. Some Kennedys tried to talk Kerry OUT of expanding his BCCI investigation |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 05:25 PM Response to Reply #59 |
85. I trust Kerry first and foremost to open the books on the DC establishment |
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midnight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-01-06 06:19 AM Response to Reply #85 |
93. What do you mean open the books? |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-01-06 07:52 AM Response to Reply #93 |
94. The documents on IranContra and BCCI that Poppy Bush was being taken to |
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dorkulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 05:33 PM Response to Original message |
86. New slogan for Kerry... |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 05:47 PM Response to Reply #86 |
88. LOL!! Good one, dorkulon!! n/t |
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dorkulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-30-06 06:11 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. Glad you like it... |
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