CONGRESS OKS HARVESTING OF WILD HORSES

[leftyladyfrommo]

THOSE ASSHOLES.

NO PUBLIC HEARINGS.

EFFECTIVE JAN 5

http://www.banderabulletin.com/articles/2006/06/27/news/lifestyles/life70.txt

Does anyone know how we can fight this.

WHY DON'T WE JUST PAVE THIS COUNTRY OVER IN ASPHALT - THAT SEEMS TO BE WHAT THEY WANT TO DO TO IT.

THIS REALLY PISSES ME OFF.

[sweetheart]

1. arn't the horses themselves an introduced species?

I'm seen flocks? Heards? of wild horses inround northern arizona,
and lots of them die from starvation and stuff. Do you let your
stray dogs in the street to starve, or do you kill them in death camps.

[enlightenment]

13. Yes, horses are an introduced species --

introduced by the Spanish in the 16th century. They are not runaway stable nags. Yes, there are problems with starvation, particularly since we allow big biz and corporate ranching to utilize and destroy the most productive areas of public land.

There are herds of wild horses in eleven western states and 3 eastern states; the largest herd (over 18,000) is in Nevada. Currently, there are 178 wild horse and 58 wild burro herds -- an estimated 34,500 horses. This according to the BLM, the agency legally charged with their protection.

They're not "strays," they are a natural resource (not to mention living creatures), and they have a right to exist -- not to be rounded up and slaughtered for sale. This isn't about humane culling of a herd that has grown to large to survive on limited resources, it's about greed and another Congressional moment of ignoring and undermining existing law to benefit someone's economic bottom line. The Wild Free-Roaming Horse and Burro Protection Act is existing law -- or was, until this Congress got their greedy paws on it. See here: http://www.wildhorseandburro.blm.gov/theact.pdf

[sweetheart]

23. The ownership society can't tolerate living creatures

Living creatures have externalities, and ownership denies externalities exist, that
life is an irony of kapital flesh.

If all the land is owned, then the grazing stocks are owned, and it is a total
corruption of the constitution, but wasn't sport hunting the death of the great buffalo
heards, and the coming of the white man, isn't that the new neo-narrative that we've been
drummed with, that "our" cultural identity is to kill living creatures for kicks, to
cull them for profit senselessly that our hearts are so hardened, we would terrorize
a million people or a billion people with nuclear weapons without batting an eyelash.

This sounds injust, but i would hope horse lovers rise up and let their aristocratic
voices heard by the american oligarchy.

[TAPat]

2. Oh that's just great...

:grr:
Hope there is something we can do about it - count me in!

[leftyladyfrommo]

4. We beat these guys back and beat these guys back

and they just keep sneaking one liners into bills - nobody even knows they are there - and then get their bills passed that way.

Since when is that how a democracy is supposed to work?

There are lots of powerful groups that are really going to up in arms over this. I have a feeling the fight has just begun.

Slaughtering horses to ship their meat off to Europe and Japan is not going to go over well in this country.

[The2ndWheel]

10. "Since when is that how a democracy is supposed to work?"

When it gets too big. When one representative "represents" 600,000-700,000 people and 3 million people on average. It's easier to listen to a couple lobbyists that have the real money.

[timber84]

3. Anyway to access how they voted so I can email mail this to

freeper friends who will be pissed?

[Ioo]

5. I think that is okay - Wild Horses have little natural means to thin pops

Most wild horses in the US are from released domestic ones... There is nothing to eat them, so they die VERY CRULE DEATHS because there is a little food, and a lot of horses.

I am a huge animal lover, I have 5 in my house right now, but I also understand the need to control wild ones as well.

[leftyladyfrommo]

7. Have you ever looked into how horses are slaughtered?

It is just plain God awful.

If there are too many they should have experts shoot them.

[Ioo]

9. I don't disagree there at all !!!

I think you are right, What I was commenting on was the blind hate of the action killing them. I also submit that the way they are killed is nothing as god awful as them starving to death over the course of days or weeks...

[OnyxCollie]

18. Not to question your love of animals

but I have a little trouble with your reasoning. What is your goal? To make the remaining horses stronger, or to just kill them before they starve? It reminds me of chimpy's logic that chopping down trees makes forests better.

Conservation is important, but Conrad Burns (Abramoff's buddy) is no conservationist. Opening the horses, wild or otherwise, to slaughter will wipe out all of them for profit.

[Rhiannon12866]

6. This is one of the latest "actions" I've received from HSUS on this.

I've been taking part in these for more than three years and thought than a permanent ban on horse slaughter in this country was very close to becoming law. Contact your reps through this site, included an e-mail "action" and urges you to also contact them by phone, tells you how...:grr:

https://community.hsus.org/campaign/FED_2006_horses_cosponsorhouse

[lonestarnot]

25. Do you mind if I post a seperate thread with this action address?

[Rhiannon12866]

26. Not at all! Yikes! Please do! We need all the help we can get!

And if you need for me to do it, I will.:-)

[The Backlash Cometh]

8. Almost feels like those Wild Horses are what's left of the old American

spirit.

[Ioo]

11. Just Remember Horses are not native to the New World.

http://www.bbhc.org/unbrokenSpirit/menu4_02.cfm

The Horse in the New World: Return of the Native?

When the second voyage of Columbus arrived at Hispaniola on November 22, 1493, both the Old and New Worlds would be forever altered. On 17 ships were 1,200 immigrants and numerous domesticated animals such as cows, pigs, sheep and horses - all brought along to establish ranch colonies in Santo Domingo and the other islands of the West Indies.

Hernán Cortés was the first person to land horses on the North American continent. As part of an effort by the Spanish to establish a colony on the mainland of New Spain (Mexico), Cortés landed at Tabasco on March 13, 1519. Arriving with him on their 11 ships were 508 soldiers and, most importantly, 16 horses. Due in part to his ability to build alliances with Native people, the military advantage of the horse, and the fact that Montezuma thought him the incarnate of the Aztec god, Quetzalcoatl, Cortés and his soldiers managed to overthrow the powerful Aztec empire.

Many other Spanish expeditions ventured into the inland territory of New Spain. In 1521, Juan Ponce de León (on his second trip) sailed for Florida with two ships, 200 men and fifty horses landing near Charlotte Harbor. De Soto's explorers had 237 horses on their 1539 trek from Florida to Missouri. In 1540, Francisco Vázquez de Coronado's explorers conduct extensive inland reconnaissance from what is now Mexico and Arizona to Kansas in search of the Seven Golden Cities of Cíbola. They travelled with 248 stallions, the preference of the Spanish military, and two mares.

Although the basis of legends, escaped horses from the early Spanish expeditions were not the seed stock of the wild horse herds of the American West. Only after the mission system in New Spain was established did horses begin to populate North America. Native groups, like the Apache, did raid the missions for horses, and undoubtedly a few horses would have escaped. However, only after the Pueblo Revolt of 1680 could large numbers of wild horses be seen roaming the grasslands of the Plains.

[enlightenment]

16. Probably better to say reintroduced rather than not native.

There is ample evidence of prehistoric horse remains in North America -- the grand-daddy of the modern horse was indeed "native" to the continent, it just died out (or more likely, became a convenient food source for other critters, human and otherwise). Yeah, I'm splitting hairs, but so are you . . .

And does it matter how they got here, in the end? Does being non-native make them more eligible for slaughter? I understand the point you're trying to make, but this isn't about humane culling of a too-large herd -- it's about wholesale slaughter for economic profit. Wild horses and burro herds are an irritant to agri-biz, corporate ranching, and others who would like to profit from the sale and use of public lands, much the same attitude of cattle ranchers to sheep ranchers (if you recall the 19th century range wars).

[The Backlash Cometh]

20. Here I have to side with the immigrants.

You don't have to defend this on the native vs. non-native basis, because the point is, those horses came in with us, with what we know of as today as America. Now the argument is that they're overpopulated and we have to dwindle the herd. Well, to some extent, the same thing is being done to us.

If you really want to take a leap, I think Cheney wanted a perpetual war so he could inforce a draft and dwindle the herd.

[shain from kane]

12. I hope they all die from mad horse disease. n/t

[shance]

14. It's no harvest. It's slaughter for profits to the white good ole boys.

n/t

[timber84]

15. Anyone remember this horse:

http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=17051

[niccolos_smile]

17. This smells on a couple of levels...

I understand the need for conservation and thinning (4 years of a 4-H Wildlife Habitat program will teach you that, as well as few college classes, before I decided to major in politics), but this just isn't right. It's not conservation.

But what I really don't like is this: Republican Senator Conrad Burns of Montana introduced the one-page Rider #142 into the 3,000-page Federal Appropriations Bill HR 4848

I hate that legislators can slip in these riders without going through a hearing. As much as I dislike our convaluted Texas Constitution, the one thing I like about it is that bills must be limited to one subject, so crap like this shouldn't happen.

[leftyladyfrommo]

19. Exactly!

[NV Whino]

21. Harvesting?

HARVESTING?

Maybe that's what we're doing in Iraq--harvesting.

[leftyladyfrommo]

22. Isn't that an awful word? Harvesting?

Sometimes spin just gets totally out of control.

[blogslut]

24. I am uneducated on this subject.

However, I've noticed a few LTEE's in my local paper condemning the sale of horses for slaughter, from members and supporters of the American Quarterhorse Association. They claim that Quarter Horses are getting sold because of black market dealers n stuff...educate me