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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 12:34 AM
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The list of republican cowards, draft dodgers, and chickenhawks
I've posted this several times before, but since these dickheads are back to their brave war talk - - - - -


Service Records Comparing Democrats To Republicans

Democrats

David Bonior: Staff Sgt., Air Force 1968-72
Leonard Boswell: Lt. Col., Army 1956-76; Vietnam, DFCs, etc
Jimmy Carter: Lt. Commander in the Navy 1946-53
Wesley Clark: Army 1966-2000, Vietnam, Silver star, purple heart
Max Cleland: Captain, Army 1965-68; Silver/Bronze stars, Vietnam
Bill Clinton: Did not serve (opposed war)
Tom Daschle: 1st Lt., Air Force SAC 1969-72
Gray Davis: Army Captain in Vietnam, Bronze star
Michael Dukakis: Army 1955-57
John Edwards: Did not serve
Richard Gephardt: Air National Guard, 1965-71
John Glenn: WWII and Korea; six DFCs; Air Medal w/18 Clusters
Al Gore: enlisted Aug. 1969; sent to Vietnam as journalist
Tom Harkin: Lt., Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74
Howell Heflin: Silver star WWII
Fritz Hollings: Army officer in WWII; Bronze star
Daniel Inouye: Army 1943-47; Medal of Honor, WWII
Ted Kennedy: Army, 1951-53
Bob Kerrey: Lt. j.g. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam
John Kerry: Lt., Navy 1966-70; Silver/Bronze stars, purple hearts
Tom Lantos: Served in Hungarian underground in WWII
Jim McDermott: Navy 1968-70
George McGovern: Silver star & DFC during WWII
Zell Miller: Marine Corps, 1953-56
Walter Mondale: Army 1951-53\
John Murtha: Retired Marine officer and decorated Vietnam combat veteran
Pete Peterson: Air Force Captain, POW. Purple Heart, Silver star, etc
Charles Rangel: Staff Sgt., Army 1948-52; Bronze star, Korea
Jack Reed: Army Ranger, 1971-79; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91
Chuck Robb: U.S. Marine Corps, 1961-70, Vietnam
Pete Stark: Air Force 1955-57
Mike Thompson: Staff Sergeant, 173rd Airborne, Purple Heart
John Conyers US Army


Republicans

Spencer Abraham: Did not serve
Eliot Abrams: Did not serve
Richard Armitage: Navy, three tours in Vietnam
John Ashcroft: Did not serve
Roy Blunt: Did not serve
Michael Bloomberg: Did not serve
George W. Bush: Texas Air Nat. Guard; skipped duty; didn't take physical; suspended from flying
Jeb Bush: Did not serve
Saxby Chambliss: Did not serve. Attacked Cleland's patriotism
Dick Cheney: Did not serve
Christopher Cox: Did not serve
Tom DeLay: Did not serve
John Engler: Did not serve
Douglas Feith: Did not serve
Bill Frist: Did not serve
Newt Gingrich: Did not serve
Rudy Giuliani: Did not serve
Lindsey Graham: National Guard lawyer
Phil Gramm: Did not serve
Dennis Hastert: Did not serve
Tim Hutchison: Did not serve
Jack Kemp: Did not serve. "Knee problem," continued in NFL for 8 years
Jon Kyl: Did not serve
Trent Lott: Did not serve
John McCain: POW in Vietnam, Legion of Merit, Silver star, DFC, many more
Mitch McConnell: Did not serve
John McHugh: Did not serve
George Pataki: Did not serve
Richard Perle: Did not serve
Colin Powell: 35 years in Army, 4-star general
Dan Quayle: Journalism unit of the Indiana National Guard
Dana Rohrabacher: Did not serve
Karl Rove: Did not serve
Don Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as flight instructor
Rick Santorum: Did not serve
Arnold Schwarzenegger: AWOL from Austrian army base
Richard Shelby: Did not serve
JC Watts: Did not serve
Vin Weber: Did not serve
Paul Wolfowitz: Did not serve
Andy Card no service
Condi Rice no service
John Bolton no service
Don Nichols no service
David Dreier - no service



Pundits, Preachers, and Judges

Bill Bennett: Did not serve
Wolf Blitzer: Did not serve
Pat Buchanan: Did not serve
Mann Coulter: Did not serve
Charlie Daniels: Did not serve
Lou Dobbs: Did not serve
Paul Gigot: Did not serve
Sean Hannity: Did not serve
Bill Kristol: Did not serve
Rush Limbaugh: Did not serve
Chris Matthews: Did not serve
Michael Medved: Did not serve
Ted Nugent: Did not serve
Bill O'Reilly: Did not serve
Dan Rather: Army Reserves
Ralph Reed: Did not serve
Michael Savage: Did not serve
Antonin Scalia: Did not serve
Kenneth Starr: Did not serve
Clarence Thomas: Did not serve
George Will: Did not serve
Roger Ailes (Fox) Did not serve
Anne Coulter Did not serve
Fred Barnes Did not serve
Gary Bauer Did not serve
Neil Bortz Did not serve
Tony Snow - Did not serve
Pat Robertson - US Army
Jerry Falwell - Did not serve
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 12:40 AM
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1. imo, it's inappropriate in the EXTREME to put.... POWs, and....
... 4 star generals who fought in Vietnam on this list...

Don't get me wrong - there's PLENTY of shit to deservedly speak of such people. But to lump them in with the chickenhawks is a MASSIVE wrong.

Or put it this way: the wrong committed by the POWs and the 4 star Generals is NOT the wrong of being too cowardly to put oneself in harm's way, while at the same time being willing to put others in harm's way.

I think there's a WORLD'S difference between the kinds of wrongs. Not (necessarily) greater-lesser, but DIFFERENT.

imo.
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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 12:43 AM
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2. It's grouped democrats vs republicans
There are those on the democratic side who did not serve. There are those on the republican side who did serve.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 12:46 AM
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3. Powell proves that you can give 35 years of your life to America.
Then ruin a 35 year reputation in 5 seconds, by waving around a vial of powder before the UN. Funny that.
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 01:53 AM
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8. powell has had no reputation with anyone who is aware that he was
one of the people instrumental in attempting to cover up MyLai early in his career.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 01:02 AM
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4. Thanks for the amazing list of GOP chickenhawks
It's a who's who in the GOP party.

Shame on them in every way. It makes Michael Savage, Rush, and all the rest look the clowns they are.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 01:12 AM
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5. This is what I was talking about, Elwood - see what I mean?
Edited on Fri Jun-16-06 01:13 AM by BlooInBloo
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 01:32 AM
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6. after removing "did not serve" (etc) entries, we are left with this...
Democrats

David Bonior: Staff Sgt., Air Force 1968-72
Leonard Boswell: Lt. Col., Army 1956-76; Vietnam, DFCs, etc
Jimmy Carter: Lt. Commander in the Navy 1946-53
Wesley Clark: Army 1966-2000, Vietnam, Silver star, purple heart
Max Cleland: Captain, Army 1965-68; Silver/Bronze stars, Vietnam
Bill Clinton: Did not serve (opposed war)
Tom Daschle: 1st Lt., Air Force SAC 1969-72
Gray Davis: Army Captain in Vietnam, Bronze star
Michael Dukakis: Army 1955-57
Richard Gephardt: Air National Guard, 1965-71
John Glenn: WWII and Korea; six DFCs; Air Medal w/18 Clusters
Al Gore: enlisted Aug. 1969; sent to Vietnam as journalist
Tom Harkin: Lt., Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74
Howell Heflin: Silver star WWII
Fritz Hollings: Army officer in WWII; Bronze star
Daniel Inouye: Army 1943-47; Medal of Honor, WWII
Ted Kennedy: Army, 1951-53
Bob Kerrey: Lt. j.g. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam
John Kerry: Lt., Navy 1966-70; Silver/Bronze stars, purple hearts
Tom Lantos: Served in Hungarian underground in WWII
Jim McDermott: Navy 1968-70
George McGovern: Silver star & DFC during WWII
Zell Miller: Marine Corps, 1953-56
Walter Mondale: Army 1951-53\
John Murtha: Retired Marine officer and decorated Vietnam combat veteran
Pete Peterson: Air Force Captain, POW. Purple Heart, Silver star, etc
Charles Rangel: Staff Sgt., Army 1948-52; Bronze star, Korea
Jack Reed: Army Ranger, 1971-79; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91
Chuck Robb: U.S. Marine Corps, 1961-70, Vietnam
Pete Stark: Air Force 1955-57
Mike Thompson: Staff Sergeant, 173rd Airborne, Purple Heart
John Conyers US Army


Republicans

Richard Armitage: Navy, three tours in Vietnam
George W. Bush: Texas Air Nat. Guard; skipped duty; didn't take physical; suspended from flying
Lindsey Graham: National Guard lawyer
John McCain: POW in Vietnam, Legion of Merit, Silver star, DFC, many more
Colin Powell: 35 years in Army, 4-star general
Dan Quayle: Journalism unit of the Indiana National Guard
Don Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as flight instructor
Arnold Schwarzenegger: AWOL from Austrian army base


Pundits, Preachers, and Judges

Dan Rather: Army Reserves
Pat Robertson - US Army


Yes. That's better. :evilgrin:

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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 01:40 AM
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7. The Republican Hawks are one big joke
I'll send you to die but I'm not interested. How pathetic these chickenhawks are. Bush/Savage/O'Rielly/Rush are a bunch of wimps.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 06:25 AM
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10. Pat Robertson's service was strange too
Edited on Fri Jun-16-06 06:46 AM by Botany
On the boat over to Korea (he was a 1st Lt. in the Marines)
That position had an 80% casualty rate ..... he called his
daddy ..... a U.S. senator from VA ....... Daddy called the Sec. of the
Navy ..... Pat and 2 friends got off the boat for duty in Japan.

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Sailor for Warner Donating Member (615 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 06:59 AM
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13. Just a point
Edited on Fri Jun-16-06 07:03 AM by Sailor for Warner
Lindsay Grahm is a Military Judge in the US Army Reserve. (My friend used to clerk for him)
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ObaMania Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 05:14 AM
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9. Great, now where's the list..
.. or Dem vs. Reps under indictment, jailed, etc?
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 06:36 AM
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11. Wow look at all the Republican Cut and Runners!
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 06:43 AM
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12. Sen. Chuck Hagel (R) served.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Hagel

"He served in the U.S. Army infantry, attaining the rank of Sergeant (E-5) from 1967-68 while serving during the Vietnam War. Hagel is a Vietnam War veteran, receiving the Vietnamese Cross of Gallantry, Purple Heart, Army Commendation Medal and the Combat Infantryman Badge."

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Sailor for Warner Donating Member (615 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 08:13 AM
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14. Just to be fair
Republicans

-John Bolton was in the National Guard during 'Nam but was not called up (not due to family connections, he was the son of a fireman)

-Rumsfeld was a Naval Reservist, serving until 1989 retiring as a 0-6 Captain.

-Bob Dole was a highly decorated war hero in WW2 earning 2 purple hearts and a bronze star.

-Oliver North, LTCOL Marine Corps silver star, bronze star, 2 purple hearts, vietnam.

-Ben Nighthorse Cambell, US Air Force, Korea, Air Medal (Former Dem)

-Pete Wilson, USMC 1955-58

-Barry Goldwater, USAAC/USAF, Retired as a Major General

-Ronald Regan, US Army 1935-41, Propaganda/Moral films, combat disqualification

-Gerald Ford, US Navy WW2

-Richard Nixon, LCDR US Navy, WW2, Supply Corps, South Pacific

-George HW Bush, Youngest Naval Aviator, 1943-45 Shot Down twice, sunk 4 enemy ships, participated in Wake Island, Bonin Island, and Phillipine Campaigns, 3 Distinguished Flying Crosses, 3 air medals.

-Phil Grahm and Richard Shelby started as Dems

Dems:
-Nancy Pelosi, Barbra Boxer, Mark Warner, Howard Dean, Bob Graham, Chuck Schumer, Keith Olberman,
Pat Leahy, Dick Durbin, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and Joe Biden, did not serve.

-Jed Bartlett did not serve but Mat Santos sure did :)
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Sailor for Warner Donating Member (615 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 08:25 AM
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15. Sorry
I thought the post was a little dishonest (intentionally or unintentionally I dont know)
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Ioo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 08:29 AM
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16. What we need is a list of ALL Sen and Reps and their service..
So we are as fair as we can.
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Sailor for Warner Donating Member (615 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 08:31 AM
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17. True, but this post also got pretty historical
and brought in the Govs and Political Advisors, and Pundits too. Even speechwriters (Buchannan)
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