Just a reminder: Jason Leopold did NOT get Rove off the hook...

[Junkdrawer]

If you want to find out who did that, you'll need to look into names like Attorney General Alberto Gonzales and Judge Reggie Walton.

Jason Leopold is simply a reporter who was given false tips, probably to have us believe that Jason Leopold is at fault for all of this. He's not.

You may now return to your regularly scheduled flame wars.

[npincus]

1. I wonder if he will out his sources now

?

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

3. That was going to be my question. We were promised that. eom

[npincus]

5. funny, but though very disappointed, I feel a relief the wait is over

A calm feeling, replacing the tension of waiting. Not what any of us wanted, of course. But now all of our energies can go elsewhere.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

22. I wanted Rove to be indicted, tried, convicted and meet a cellmate named

Big Boy, as much as anyone else. I had no faith in Leopold's tale, so there is no disappointment of being "betrayed" by one who is supposedly one of our own. I am furious that it was probably the Shrub's Executive Order re his and Cheney's ability to declassify classified information that has been able to keep free most of these traitors, and no one is doing anything about that.

Like you, I believe it's time to move on. Score another one for the bastards but eventually Karma will bite them all firmly on the ass.

[Gman]

2. K&R

[Totally Committed]

4. Leopold got played...

he's not the first reporter that has happened to, and with these slimy b*stards, won't be the last. There is no reason to be angry with him. Hell, we've ALL been played by this administration for years now. I think we all need to focus our anger and frustration where it will do some good -- making sure this is the last Republcian-run Congress, and the last Republican Administration for at least the coming century.

TC

[Junkdrawer]

34. Agreed.

:hi:

[NicoleM]

6. That doesn't make sense.

Somebody set him up weeks ago knowing that Rove wouldn't be indicted so that people would think the leak got Rove off? A) A relative handful of people in this country have ever heard of Jason Leopold or Truthout, and B) if Fitzgerald thought Rove had committed a crime and he could prove it, why would it matter who leaked what to whom?

I don't get it, sorry.

[HereSince1628]

7. Yea, right. you betcha. Whadever.

Hang in there JD this is gonna pass.

[Magrittes Pipe]

8. No, he didn't.

He just passed along a bunch of made-up stuff and told everyone it was news.

No better than Fox. :thumbsdown:

[H2O Man]

9. One error:

Judge Walton had absolutely no role in the investigation of Rove. He had no more to do with it than Homer Simpson.

[Junkdrawer]

17. I'm just saying he might know the story of how Rove got off the hook. n/t

[KharmaTrain]

10. Apples Have Now Become Oranges...Ready...Aim...

It now appears Leopold got the entire story wrong. Let's see how TO deals with this.

And who said Rove was "on the hook". Isn't this country still flimsily based on the concept of innocent until proven guilty. Fitzgerald never issued a target letter either. All he did was kept open his investigation to see if there were additional crimes/charges that related in the obstruction. He couldn't find enough to bring an indictment that would bring a conviction. It's how the justice system is supposed to work.

Le Guerra Leopold here is a silly battle of egos and other than the fact Rove's name stumbled into the mess, this vain flame game has more to do with the personalities involved than anything of any consequence. The fact Truth Out has solidly stood by Leopold speaks for itself to many of us and have long since moved on. The ongoing flame wars have turned a lot of people off on not only Truth Out, but on this forum as it's turned from Discussions of serious issues into a playground brawl.

Carry on...

[Skinner]

11. Technically, you're correct. Jason Leopold did not get Rove of the hook.

But so far I haven't heard anyone trying to make that claim. Seems like a rather bizarre thing to suggest.

But let's be clear here: Jason Leopold blew it. He's not "simply a reporter who was given false tips." Part of his job as a "reporter" is to judge the credibility of the people who give him his tips, and to think critically about the likelihood that these tips are true or not. He blew it, big time. Spectatularly and publicly. People who trust his "scoops" after this fiasco are fools.

You know... Fool me once, won't get fooled again...

[Junkdrawer]

14. Of course no one made that claim, but I'm guessing there will be...

more folks angry at Jason Leopold than Alberto Gonzales, something I find bizarre.

[Skinner]

20. To be honest... I'm pretty angry at Jason Leopold.

I'm no fan of Alberto Gonzales either, but I'm not really sure why he's being brought up in this context. What is his relevance is to the lack of a Rove indictment?

[IsIt1984Yet]

21. If you're comfortable answering...

what are your thoughts on Will Pitt's handling of the matter?

If you're not comfortable answering... please don't ban me ;).

[Skinner]

25. I am not comfortable answering.

I am sorry.

[IsIt1984Yet]

27. Fully understood.

I am with you in my anger towards Leopold. It's irresponsible journalism; a pattern for him.

[Jersey Devil]

28. I knew you'd said that

and think you are wise for doing so. I'm sure it's a tough deal trying to administer something on this scale and having to hold back on your feelings and opinions sometimes even though you are the one who started the vehicle in which others are freely expressing their opinions.

Well done and thank you for this place.

[Junkdrawer]

26. Let's see if Sealed vs, Sealed ever sees the light of day.

Did Gonzales Kill Fitz's Rove Indictments?
by JiggyFlunknut
Sun May 21, 2006 at 03:40:51 PM PDT
Last Friday, Judge Reggie Walton, the presiding judge in the Libby trial, deliberated over a case titled "SEALED v. SEALED." There is growing speculation that sealed v. sealed is Fitzgerald v. Gonzales' Deputy, Paul McNulty (Fitzgerald's direct superior).
...



http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/5/21/184052/881

[Skinner]

30. We don't know who Sealed v. Sealed are. (nt)

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

33. According to a poster last night, there are 31, I will repeat 31 Sealed vs

Sealed cases. Why must any of those be in regard to the Plame Case? I am sure there are many Federal
investigations going on.

[KittyWampus]

45. According to a LOT of DU'ers there's no such thing as "Sealed v Sealed"

funny that.

We went to no such thing to 31 cases?

[tritsofme]

47. I would assume they are all civil cases

There is no reason for the state to seal their own involvement in a prosecution.

[TornadoTN]

23. The devil you know versus the one you don't

We already know that Gonzales is the spawn of satan, so anything he does, however apalling and illegal it may be, it is expected. However with Leopold, he was supposedly on the same side that most of us place ourselves. Shame on us for not looking at his merits and his reporting history rather than taking his report with a grain of salt and skepticism.

[Strong Atheist]

15. Agree about Leopold. He seems to be more of an attention-seeker, than

a meticulous reporter, based on his (admitted) checkered past and this current "reporting" ...

[TornadoTN]

18. Agreed and interestingly

Leopold has always had this type of situation plaguing his reporting for years. I can't help but wonder if this was just another blind stab at an "expose" that he was hoping would come to fruition, rather than any of it being remotely based on fact other than the basis of the Plame case.

We were all duped mainly because we *wanted* to see the results he was predicting, rather than examining the merits of the story and the fundamental legal basis.

[nashville_brook]

35. the facts of the case could have changed after his piece...

he could have been targeted for disinformation...
he might have just blown it...

no matter how this shakes out, eating our own is a VICTORY for the RW and bush admin.

those with a dog in this hunt would be wise to smile to themselves, remove Leopold from their daily reading routine, and move on. you were right. yay for you. but lets not beat up this writer anymore. he's a WRITER, not an elected official. and, he's not guilty of anything that rises to the level of Judith Miller... Bob Novak... or any of the people who outed Plame in the first place. he hasn't offended anyone's humanity like Ann Coulter and Matt Drudge does on a regular basis.

he thought he had the story. he was wrong. are we going to let this DIVIDE US AMONG OURSELVES? are we going to beat this dead horse until we have no energy left... with elections looming??

[Snivi Yllom]

37. amen

The reporter who cried wolf, but there never will be a real wolf.

[durrrty libby]

12. So what goes Sealed vs Sealed mean? n/t

[capi888]

16. Sealed vs Sealed...

means, indictment in hand, to let the singing begin. Fitz wants the Big Fish!!! He wants the sand out of his eyes. Wonder what song ROVE sang!!!

[durrrty libby]

31. So someone will be idicted..just not Rove? yes? n/t

[LoZoccolo]

24. If means people don't know the two names. n/t

[Flubadubya]

13. I have no idea what the real story is...

but I do believe with all my heart that some sort of odious deal has gone down amongst "the powers that be" to Teflon the stinking Turd and to keep an indictment from sticking to him.

I even believe that the grand jury probably did send up an indictment and that it got kiboshed. Wouldn't you love to talk with some of the grand jurors? :grr::argh:

[Jersey Devil]

19. Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!

WTF are you talking about? Jason Leopold is retread, virtually unknown writer for an internet blog that most people never heard of and couldn't give a hoot about. The only thing I can make out of your post is that you are suggesting he was setup because, for some reason, apparently known only to you and Jason Leopold, destroying his credibility on Plamegate was crucial to the White House and Rove.

[meisje]

29. I know some reporters and Jason Liepold is NO reporter!

[Nimrod2005]

32. Of course not, nobody said he did, but everyone is saying Jason is

a big fuckup, that's all...

[Junkdrawer]

36. .

[Junkdrawer]

44. .

[sheelz]

38. It's bizarre that you think the Leopold has the

power to get Rove off the hook.

[Junkdrawer]

39. What's even more bizarre is that, on the day Rove shows he's above...

the law, the anger is directed at a reporter from a liberal website.

[Generic Other]

40. Yeah, how come I'm more mad at Rove than Leopold or TO?

Must be the kool-aid I drank.

:shrug:

[Junkdrawer]

41. Must be the good stuff. Pass it around. We need it today...

:hi:

[OzarkDem]

42. Agree, its bizarre

[sheelz]

43. I'm for Truth

and not for conmen.

[OzarkDem]

46. Agree

I'll believe Leopold over Rove any day.