A couple new arguments I am starting to hear...

[SunDrop23]

In response to the miserable failure in Iraq, I'm hearing the freepers in the office advance one of two new arguments:

"Well if we had taken care of this years ago, we wouldn't have these issues."


("years ago" is freeper speak for "this is Clinton's fault").

OR

(from the party of family values)

"Well if we had just blown the place off the map we wouldn't have these issues now."

Be on the lookout for these new excuses to permeate conversations.

[warrens]

1. Oh, you mean in 91 when Clinton got to the Iraqi border, then turned tail?

Oh, wait, that wasn't Clinton. Who WAS that anyway?

[bullimiami]

5. got to the iraqi border and reality kicked old bush in the balls.

unfortunately his retarded black lamb is not reality based.

[melnjones]

2. Those aren't new arguments here...

Heard those, especially the first one, for a loooong time.

[emulatorloo]

3. OTOH maybe they are talking about Bush 1

since he invaded Iraq and "didn't take care of it"

To which you can say, "yes all these Bushes are disasters arent they"

[SunDrop23]

14. No, they clearly mean Clinton

After all, Sudan handed him Osama's head on a platter. So if he had attacked Saddam in the mid-90's and taken care of Osama, 9/11 would have never happened.

[Selatius]

4. Bush Senior didn't invade because he feared protracted guerrilla war

His son, on the other hand, had no fears about that.

[AndyA]

6. I've been hearing those statements for quite some time.

They conveniently have forgotten who set Saddam up in the first place (refer to photo of Rumsfield chumming it up with Saddam), and the fact that it was BUSH-HITLER #1 who left the job unfinished in the first place.

I tell them to grow some gonads and face up to the fact that their PARTY IS A FAILURE. JUST LIKE THEIR PRESIDENT. JUST LIKE EVERYTHING THEY TOUCH.

GOP = FAILURE!

[LSK]

7. WE DID TAKE CARE OF IT YEARS AGO

SCOTT RITTER??? UN INSPECTORS IN THE EARLY 90S?????

:wtf: :wtf: :wtf:

[Warren DeMontague]

8. Oh, yeah. Just like Vietnam, it'll be the fault of the people who were

against the war.

Great fucking logic. Never the acknowledgement that the clusterfuck might have been an atrociously bad idea to begin with.

[jobycom]

9. Caught a few moments of Rush bringing up the latter on Friday

I was at work and a co-worker had him on. Same excuses for Viet Nam. Soon they will be claiming that our soldiers weren't allowed to win, and blaming all the liberals for hindering the war effort. They have to cling to their denial, or they have no identities at all.

[SunDrop23]

13. Is that the beginning of the gop 2008 platform?

Dems caused us to lose the war. They kept our troops from winning.

[jobycom]

15. What else can they do? And it will get uglier.

If they push that line, they have to follow it up with promises to actually win a war or two. They'll be blaming us for losing the war (forget that they controlled both houses of COngress and got everything they wanted, and that the person who limited the troops was Rumsfield) and they'll promise to start a few more that they can win. They will set the debate so that we argue over whether to invade Iran or North Korea or Aruba (it really doesn't matter to them), and will cal us traitors for opposing such wars. It's hard to close Pandora's Box, now that they've opened it. They will fight with their lives to keep it open.

[SunDrop23]

20. Talked to a freeper yesterday

And he's digging his heels around

"The media won't let us win the war...have you ever talked to somone over there? They are doing a miraculous job of rebuilding the country but you'll never know it..."

So he's going in that direction. I think the "media won't let us win the war argument" is a late 2004 rehash, unless I am mistaken.

I explained that I have several members in Iraq and added the country we are rebuilding is the one we destroyed. He invoked 9/11 and how the world was a better place without Saddam. I explained that Saddam was not connected to 9/11 and launched an offensive on human rights. His reply was predictable (arms folded) "I am not going to talk to you about this anymore. Bush won the election so get over it."

[louis-t]

10. "Well if we had just blown the place off the map.."

So, the people who are still alive there should be thankful? 'Cause they're still alive? Thank you george bush, thank you. Meanwhile, WWIII starts. Such small-minded people.

[Lexingtonian]

11. (snort!)

"Well if we had taken care of this years ago, we wouldn't have these issues."

-Rummie and Reagan propped up SH and helped his war vs Iran (priorities, eh)
-Bush Sr screwed up, or he didn't, in not toppling SH
-Clinton- guess who hamstrung him from even a half decent war effort for Kosovo (yes, Gingrich and Lott), never mind Iraq. And gee, we won in Kosovo and got Milosevic toppled and democracy installed in Serbia without more bloodshed. Just can't keep a competent man down.

"Well if we had just blown the place off the map we wouldn't have these issues now."

-Yeah, but then we couldn't have converted them to Christianity, could we?

Personally, I always apologize to Republicans that Clinton didn't leave the world in absolutely perfect shape for Bush to fuck up turn into a utopia. After all, Republicans are going to leave us with the country in far better shape than Clinton did, right?

[kahleefornia]

12. taken care of what?

all those WMDs? Are there still people holding on to that fairy tale?

Try to get them to tell you what the threat was.

[ThomWV]

16. The weapons Bush couldn't find were destroyed by Clinton

And you answered the second one yourself.

[Tactical Progressive]

17. Easy to hit this one out of the park

1 - Republicans run the entire government

2 - they lied six ways to Sunday to start the war

3 - and rammed it down our throats with the help of the major newspapers

4 - they screwed up the war, the rebuilding and the nation building

5 - now they're trying to blame everybody else.


Short and sweet.

You can even cut out 3 and shorten the rest for a one-line response.
'Republicans lied us into a war, screwed it up, and now they're blaming everybody else.'

Or just use 1 and 5.

[SunDrop23]

18. Very nice!

[mdmc]

19. nice

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