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ROLLING STONE: WAS THE 2004 ELECTION STOLEN (COMPLETE ARTICLE)

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ROLLING STONE: WAS THE 2004 ELECTION STOLEN (COMPLETE ARTICLE)Updated at 5:57 PM
Was the 2004 Election Stolen?
Republicans prevented more than 350,000 voters in Ohio from casting ballots or having their votes counted -- enough to have put John Kerry in the White House. BY ROBERT F. KENNEDY JR. Page 1 2 3 4

The complete article, with Web-only citations, follows. For more, see exclusive documents, sources, charts and commentary.

Like many Americans, I spent the evening of the 2004 election watching the returns on television and wondering how the exit polls, which predicted an overwhelming victory for John Kerry, had gotten it so wrong. By midnight, the official tallies showed a decisive lead for George Bush -- and the next day, lacking enough legal evidence to contest the results, Kerry conceded. Republicans derided anyone who expressed doubts about Bush's victory as nut cases in ''tinfoil hats,'' while the national media, with few exceptions, did little to question the validity of the election. The Washington Post immediately dismissed allegations of fraud as ''conspiracy theories,''(1) and The New York Times declared that ''there is no evidence of vote theft or errors on a large scale.''(2)

But despite the media blackout, indications continued to emerge that something deeply troubling had taken place in 2004. Nearly half of the 6 million American voters living abroad(3) never received their ballots -- or received them too late to vote(4) -- after the Pentagon unaccountably shut down a state-of-the-art Web site used to file overseas registrations.(5) A consulting firm called Sproul & Associates, which was hired by the Republican National Committee to register voters in six battleground states,(6) was discovered shredding Democratic registrations.(7) In New Mexico, which was decided by 5,988 votes,(8) malfunctioning machines mysteriously failed to properly register a presidential vote on more than 20,000 ballots.(9) Nationwide, according to the federal commission charged with implementing election reforms, as many as 1 million ballots were spoiled by faulty voting equipment -- roughly one for every 100 cast.(10)

much more at:
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10432334/was_the...
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   Thank you so much!  VolcanoJen   Jun-01-06 02:26 PM   #1 
   Muchas gracias ! Bookmarked and nominated for greatest page nt  EVDebs   Jun-01-06 02:28 PM   #2 
   Go Get Em' Jen!  stepnw1f   Jun-01-06 02:29 PM   #3 
      I saw it with my own eyes. Kennedy is RIGHT.  VolcanoJen   Jun-01-06 02:34 PM   #11 
         That Would Have Sickened Me As Well  stepnw1f   Jun-01-06 02:40 PM   #17 
         They did ask, and I was heartbroken.  VolcanoJen   Jun-01-06 02:42 PM   #23 
            I'm Sorry Jen.. That Must Have Been Really Difficult  stepnw1f   Jun-01-06 02:52 PM   #30 
         I live in NY  Tyrone Slothrop   Jun-01-06 03:36 PM   #59 
         blame it on HARVA  NewYorkerfromMass   Jun-01-06 04:55 PM   #93 
         That is one of the saddest things I have ever read in my entire life.  VolcanoJen   Jun-02-06 01:13 PM   #268 
         awful  mdmc   Jun-02-06 04:03 PM   #284 
         There is a reason I call myself purgedvoter.  PurgedVoter   Jun-01-06 04:24 PM   #80 
         That is so  zidzi   Jun-01-06 09:21 PM   #170 
            Not really, that frustrating but thanks,  PurgedVoter   Jun-01-06 10:37 PM   #183 
         Jason watched the same thing happen  prolesunited   Jun-02-06 12:25 PM   #257 
   The Timing is Just Right  stepnw1f   Jun-01-06 02:29 PM   #4 
   Exactly - they needed the public to understand the CORRUPTION of GOPs in  blm   Jun-01-06 03:30 PM   #55 
      yes... just like the last Presidential Election in the Ukraine  stepnw1f   Jun-01-06 11:02 PM   #186 
   Keep in mind, Ohio was only one state. Florida, New Mexico come to mind...  Notoverit   Jun-01-06 02:29 PM   #5 
   Thanks for posting this...  bluefish   Jun-01-06 02:30 PM   #6 
   You can also scroll down to the bottom and give opinions :-)  Deb   Jun-01-06 02:33 PM   #7 
   keep this sucker kicked  CatWomanDU Moderator   Jun-01-06 02:33 PM   #8 
   Better late than never  Downtown Hound   Jun-01-06 02:33 PM   #9 
   In politics, timing is critical. I think Mr Kennedy has.......  Esra Star   Jun-01-06 06:38 PM   #129 
   another reason I love DU  NJCher   Jun-02-06 01:56 AM   #207 
   This deserves to go straight to the TOP of the Greatest Page.  Stand and Fight   Jun-01-06 02:34 PM   #10 
   Thank you, kpete! As devastating as this story is, I'm so glad it's  babylonsister   Jun-01-06 02:35 PM   #12 
   Sister and Brothers...  kpete   Jun-01-06 02:38 PM   #15 
   This is a damn good article  MelissaB   Jun-01-06 02:35 PM   #13 
   I want the thieves to hang.  aquart   Jun-01-06 02:38 PM   #14 
   Reading this article just depresses me. We have known this  carolinalady   Jun-01-06 02:39 PM   #16 
   Exit polls vs results  Notoverit   Jun-01-06 02:40 PM   #18 
   Do you have a link for that?  MsKandice01   Jun-01-06 05:07 PM   #100 
   Link  eowyn_of_rohan   Jun-01-06 05:40 PM   #114 
   umm.....  Febble   Jun-01-06 08:03 PM   #154 
   link to all the graphs  eowyn_of_rohan   Jun-01-06 10:49 PM   #184 
   Remember These CNN screen shots.  fearnobush   Jun-02-06 01:31 AM   #203 
   Is this going to be Rolling Stone's Cover Story?  VolcanoJen   Jun-01-06 02:41 PM   #19 
   yes!!!!!  mod mom   Jun-01-06 04:39 PM   #87 
   The first page alone is absolutely damning!  Gregorian   Jun-01-06 02:41 PM   #20 
   thanks, I was looking for this earlier  LSK   Jun-01-06 02:41 PM   #21 
   How much longer will the politicos IGNORE THIS FREAKIN' ISSUE???  in_cog_ni_to   Jun-01-06 02:42 PM   #22 
   Curiouser and curiouser  truedelphi   Jun-01-06 02:43 PM   #24 
   lol, actually I think the new republican way is  hopeisaplace   Jun-01-06 02:49 PM   #27 
   I think that is exactly right.  soonerhoosier   Jun-01-06 04:12 PM   #74 
   Shouldn't Blackwell be in jail for subverting an election?  Gregorian   Jun-01-06 02:53 PM   # 
   Absolutely. Blackwell is a criminal who deserves hard prison time.  NEOBuckeye   Jun-02-06 01:42 AM   #204 
      Blackwell WILL be the next Governor...The voting machines will steal it  LaPera   Jun-02-06 03:39 AM   #225 
   she'd just plead "Not Guilty by Reason of Insanity"...  Raster   Jun-01-06 03:19 PM   #50 
   Riveting.... look at this paragraph, for those who forgot the Exit Polls.  VolcanoJen   Jun-01-06 02:44 PM   #25 
   I read a synopsis of this 2 years ago...where have they been???  hopeisaplace   Jun-01-06 02:50 PM   #29 
   Damn  DoYouEverWonder   Jun-01-06 02:54 PM   #35 
   where is TIA?  grasswire   Jun-01-06 03:45 PM   #68 
      TruthIsAll  DoYouEverWonder   Jun-01-06 04:19 PM   #78 
         I hope TruthIsAll knows he was a BIG BIG part in getting this story out  Phoebe Loosinhouse   Jun-01-06 07:37 PM   #144 
            Can't read anything about the polls without thinking of TIA  CornField   Jun-02-06 02:24 AM   #214 
   it is so painful to read those words  renate   Jun-01-06 06:35 PM   #127 
   There is much more to this story than illegal suppression of Dem votes  Peace Patriot   Jun-01-06 02:46 PM   #26 
   Outstanding work, Peace Patriot  me b zola   Jun-02-06 01:59 AM   #208 
   I dedicate this story...  Tandalayo_Scheisskopf   Jun-01-06 02:50 PM   #28 
   absolutely, I remember a lot of his material...I read so much  hopeisaplace   Jun-01-06 02:53 PM   #33 
   I was a lurker until this post.  PhilYerHead   Jun-01-06 06:53 PM   #135 
      Welcome to DU, :)  hopeisaplace   Jun-01-06 10:56 PM   #185 
   I will join you on this, T_S.....  DemExpat   Jun-01-06 03:25 PM   #52 
   Square that salute, buddy.  blm   Jun-01-06 03:28 PM   #54 
   what has happened to TIA?  lavenderdiva   Jun-01-06 03:41 PM   #64 
   I have the same question! I think of TIA everytime I read about exit  WiseButAngrySara   Jun-01-06 05:24 PM   #106 
   Google Truthisall he can be contacted. I just wrote him a letter.  rainy   Jun-01-06 05:25 PM   #107 
   Scrubbing people off the registration lists in Ohio  JPZenger   Jun-01-06 02:52 PM   #31 
   thank you kpete, for posting this--  lavenderdiva   Jun-01-06 02:52 PM   #32 
   I'll have to pick up the hard copy at the store  rox63   Jun-01-06 02:53 PM   #34 
   thank you-k&r !!!  JennasLiver   Jun-01-06 02:57 PM   #36 
   Told KO to cover this on Countdown...  originalpckelly   Jun-01-06 03:01 PM   #37 
   GREAT idea!  helderheid   Jun-01-06 03:03 PM   #39 
   Reading this  PearliePoo2   Jun-01-06 03:02 PM   #38 
   I did exactly the same thing  Downtown Hound   Jun-01-06 03:43 PM   #66 
   yup...  PearliePoo2   Jun-01-06 04:30 PM   #84 
   No, I was okay, heh, heh  Downtown Hound   Jun-01-06 04:57 PM   #95 
      nice words Hound  PearliePoo2   Jun-01-06 05:33 PM   #111 
      I joined  Epiphany4z   Jun-01-06 09:26 PM   #172 
   I know when Bush gave the signal to flip the election...  tinrobot   Jun-01-06 04:31 PM   #85 
      Was that the quick trip to Ohio?  blogslut   Jun-01-06 07:53 PM   #152 
      After that...  tinrobot   Jun-01-06 08:27 PM   #156 
         hmmm  blogslut   Jun-01-06 08:40 PM   #163 
      same thing happened in 2000.... wasn't it earlier, though... I thought it  blm   Jun-01-06 11:23 PM   #190 
   It sure does  Epiphany4z   Jun-01-06 09:19 PM   #169 
   Went to bed in 2k and 2k4 expecting the best..  NastyDiaper   Jun-01-06 03:09 PM   #40 
   I suspected with the machines they'd steal it but was hopeful.  helderheid   Jun-01-06 03:10 PM   #43 
   kick for your sig!  mdmc   Jun-01-06 04:47 PM   #92 
      kick for that ADORABLE picture!  renate   Jun-01-06 06:44 PM   #131 
         thanks for your post  mdmc   Jun-02-06 12:42 AM   #199 
   Well, there it is America. Laid out for all to see.  Gregorian   Jun-01-06 03:09 PM   #41 
   kick  skypilot   Jun-01-06 03:10 PM   #42 
   Blackwell not only has dirt on his hands, they are covered in blood  tinfoilinfor2005   Jun-01-06 03:11 PM   #44 
   blackwell is guilty of Electoral Treason, a crime which should be  Raster   Jun-01-06 03:17 PM   #48 
      I'd settle for hard prison time.  NEOBuckeye   Jun-02-06 01:54 AM   #206 
   Stunning and Indisputable  Beetwasher   Jun-01-06 03:14 PM   #45 
   Finally!  memory   Jun-01-06 03:14 PM   #46 
   damn good article  Jeffersons Ghost   Jun-01-06 03:17 PM   #47 
   Is this a ground-breaking article? It feels like it.  Kurovski   Jun-01-06 03:18 PM   #49 
   Hee! He even links to the Blackwell letter  MelissaB   Jun-01-06 03:23 PM   #51 
   Looks like others now joining the conspiracy nuts like us at DU  DemExpat   Jun-01-06 03:28 PM   #53 
   kicking n/t  emulatorloo   Jun-01-06 03:33 PM   #56 
   Kick  Amaryllis   Jun-01-06 03:33 PM   #57 
   Printer Friendly Version  kpete   Jun-01-06 03:36 PM   #58 
   The printer friendly only shows the first quarter of the article. nt  tandem5   Jun-01-06 03:41 PM   #63 
      I thought it stopped in a weird place  NoSheep   Jun-02-06 12:40 PM   #259 
   Thanks, kpete!  Patsy Stone   Jun-01-06 03:38 PM   #60 
   Great article, k & r....blahblahblah...but  dwp6577   Jun-01-06 03:40 PM   #61 
   kickeroni!  daveskilt   Jun-01-06 03:41 PM   #62 
   Thanks so much kpete.  Ladyhawk   Jun-01-06 03:43 PM   #65 
   In short, was the election stolen? YES!!!!!!!!!!!  EOO   Jun-01-06 03:45 PM   #67 
   YYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEESSSSSSSS!!!  AAARRRGGGHHH   Jun-01-06 03:56 PM   #69 
   The truth. FINALLY.  fooj   Jun-01-06 03:57 PM   #70 
   Will the Chair of the Franklin Co Dem Party now offer election reformers  mod mom   Jun-01-06 04:01 PM   #71 
   I did a lot of interviews during the whole Ohio Recount mess...  stevenleser   Jun-01-06 04:03 PM   #72 
   I did...and I'd like to see more links, too!  renate   Jun-01-06 06:59 PM   #136 
      My pleasure, check this out...  stevenleser   Jun-01-06 09:39 PM   #177 
   We need to send this to all of our reps.  oxbow   Jun-01-06 04:07 PM   #73 
   Also send a copy to the editors of your local newspaper.  blm   Jun-01-06 11:12 PM   #187 
   Yes it's on the cover of the magazine-top banner!  Generator   Jun-01-06 04:13 PM   #75 
   Kick for...  obreaslan   Jun-01-06 04:15 PM   #76 
   "And we'll find you a leader that you can elect"  robertpaulsen   Jun-01-06 05:34 PM   #112 
   K&R!  cat_girl25   Jun-01-06 04:18 PM   #77 
   felt like I should say something too  jsamuel   Jun-01-06 04:21 PM   #79 
   "We... cannot be certain that the right man now occupies the Oval Office."  MallRat   Jun-01-06 04:25 PM   #81 
   We knew most of this the day after the election  tinrobot   Jun-01-06 04:28 PM   #82 
   tinrobot is exactly right.  disndat   Jun-01-06 06:01 PM   #116 
      Consider, PROVING Fraud is a Catch 22. You can't get into the machines  cryingshame   Jun-01-06 06:21 PM   #123 
         Exit polls are accurate  disndat   Jun-01-06 08:51 PM   #166 
            nope, sorry, that's my field  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-01-06 09:29 PM   #173 
               And in 88 the exit polls showed  Yupster   Jun-02-06 01:18 AM   #202 
               haven't we been here before? ;)  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-02-06 10:28 AM   #247 
                  The Dukakis Pennsylvania call  Yupster   Jun-02-06 02:53 PM   #276 
                     ah, cool story  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-02-06 03:59 PM   #283 
               OTOH...  me b zola   Jun-02-06 02:26 AM   #216 
                  say what?  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-02-06 10:25 AM   #246 
                     Nations that want to prove legitimacy of their elections...  me b zola   Jun-02-06 11:34 AM   #253 
                        well, it is important to check facts  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-02-06 01:12 PM   #267 
                           (Carter on U.S. elections in his own words)  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-02-06 04:06 PM   #285 
   Look at this quote  geardaddy   Jun-01-06 04:28 PM   #83 
   Welcome to DU, geardaddy! As for Freeman --  IndyOp   Jun-01-06 05:02 PM   #99 
      Thanks IndyOp  geardaddy   Jun-01-06 05:16 PM   #104 
         good catch, geardaddy!  renate   Jun-01-06 06:49 PM   #134 
   Up on Cincinnati Enquirer Political Blog:  mod mom   Jun-01-06 04:34 PM   #86 
   Excellent article, complete with all references. Kudos to Rolling Stone!  sinkingfeeling   Jun-01-06 04:39 PM   #88 
   Thank you Bobby!  DFW   Jun-01-06 04:39 PM   #89 
   RFK jr. 2008!  mdmc   Jun-01-06 04:41 PM   #90 
   Yeah Baby! n/t  Southpawkicker   Jun-01-06 07:41 PM   #147 
   I am speechless... I am so proud of RFK  DearAbby   Jun-01-06 04:43 PM   #91 
   Hopefully, this will start the debate  InaneAnanity   Jun-01-06 04:56 PM   #94 
   What an article!  DUBYASCREWEDUS   Jun-01-06 04:58 PM   #96 
   DU was the only place where people stayed focused on this.  bleever   Jun-01-06 05:01 PM   #97 
   we believed  FayeDU Moderator   Jun-01-06 08:35 PM   #159 
   And we were right.  bleever   Jun-01-06 08:48 PM   #165 
   Yes, we believed. And we still believe,  Raksha   Jun-02-06 04:30 AM   #232 
   Let the good times roll.  reprehensor   Jun-01-06 05:01 PM   #98 
   It's about damn time  Ammonium   Jun-01-06 05:12 PM   #101 
   It has a map showing the polls vs. the results......  kerry-is-my-prez   Jun-01-06 05:13 PM   #102 
   God, I love you kpete!!! Thanks so much for posting this and all  WiseButAngrySara   Jun-01-06 05:15 PM   #103 
   Are we Wise and Angry Enough Today Sara?  kpete   Jun-01-06 05:29 PM   #109 
      You can make claims to wisdom! (not me, my name is wrong!!!)  WiseButAngrySara   Jun-01-06 06:10 PM   #119 
         I am probably older than you  kpete   Jun-01-06 06:15 PM   #122 
            I bet you're not older, but I've not that mature for my age either! BTW,  WiseButAngrySara   Jun-02-06 12:35 AM   #197 
   I'm afraid it will be water off a ducks back for most people...  GOTV   Jun-01-06 05:18 PM   #105 
   Truth, but no justice.  Minstrel Boy   Jun-01-06 05:25 PM   #108 
   I could only get through half of this article  durrrty libby   Jun-01-06 05:31 PM   #110 
   true WHAT can we do NOW ! I did send the link...  jarnocan   Jun-01-06 09:18 PM   #168 
   "...a massive, coordinated campaign to subvert the will of the people..."  milkyway   Jun-01-06 05:35 PM   #113 
   Spread this far and wide. Without the right to vote, all is lost.  bj2110   Jun-01-06 05:51 PM   #115 
   Spreading...n/t  Ladyhawk   Jun-01-06 06:01 PM   #117 
   I'm satisfied.  JackDragna   Jun-01-06 06:04 PM   #118 
   K&R  RedSpartan   Jun-01-06 06:11 PM   #120 
   This took less than 2 years. Good work DU and everybody!  McCamy Taylor   Jun-01-06 06:12 PM   #121 
   The next morning after the election...  Ragazz68   Jun-01-06 06:22 PM   #124 
   He forgot another one  nxylas   Jun-01-06 06:22 PM   #125 
   Welcome to DU  ellisonz   Jun-02-06 07:18 AM   #240 
   Huff Po's commentary getting freeped. Anyone interested in giving a  mod mom   Jun-01-06 06:24 PM   #126 
   ugh  FayeDU Moderator   Jun-01-06 07:27 PM   #142 
      I posted a link to your film in my comment on Huff Po!  mod mom   Jun-01-06 07:44 PM   #148 
         ooo  FayeDU Moderator   Jun-01-06 08:27 PM   #157 
            no, I linked to Velvet Revolution site, so no freeper mail!  mod mom   Jun-02-06 04:18 PM   #288 
   Takes me back to Election Night '04..Kerry had a substantial lead  AzDar   Jun-01-06 06:37 PM   #128 
   excellent... kick  trekbiker   Jun-01-06 06:39 PM   #130 
   Thank you RFK your Dad's smiling somewhere  bklyncowgirl   Jun-01-06 06:44 PM   #132 
   We know what KKKarl was doing election night. (photo)  deminks   Jun-01-06 06:47 PM   #133 
   Nov. 2006  Blutodog   Jun-01-06 06:59 PM   #137 
   Google on: "Robert F Kennedy"  LongTomH   Jun-01-06 07:00 PM   #138 
   It was a coup d'etat  degreesofgray   Jun-01-06 07:04 PM   #139 
   the machinery of a coup was complex  ngant17   Jun-01-06 07:41 PM   #146 
   This article means nothing.  brainshrub   Jun-01-06 07:16 PM   #140 
   Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-01-06 09:25 PM   #171 
      ..and therein lies the dilemma in Gore's head.  lildreamer316   Jun-02-06 06:26 AM   #238 
   This article  Hope2006DU Moderator   Jun-01-06 07:26 PM   #141 
   Proves 2 things - election fraud and collusion of the media  Phoebe Loosinhouse   Jun-01-06 07:34 PM   #143 
   Why wasn't it the Post or the Times? Collusion and collaboration.  Raster   Jun-01-06 07:45 PM   #149 
   Kennedy For Prez!  Southpawkicker   Jun-01-06 07:40 PM   #145 
   This is why I remain a registered Republican  Pluvious   Jun-01-06 07:48 PM   #150 
   kick and recommended!!! n/t  Swamp Rat   Jun-01-06 07:50 PM   #151 
   Great article; why am I so depressed by it???  SmokingJacket   Jun-01-06 07:54 PM   #153 
   This really burns me up: 80,000 votes RFK Jr. calls OUTRIGHT FRAUD!  robertpaulsen   Jun-01-06 08:25 PM   #155 
   but it isn't true (although other stuff in the article is)  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-01-06 09:40 PM   #178 
      What does Gore 2000 have to do with the 2004 election? n/t  wisteria   Jun-02-06 12:22 AM   #192 
      it refutes the claim that downticket candidates  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-02-06 10:31 AM   #249 
      Re: but it isn't true (although other stuff in the article is)  PhilipDC   Jun-02-06 11:55 AM   #255 
      whoops, if I had seen yours first...  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-02-06 06:49 PM   #296 
      "NEW" versus "ALL" -- the article is right. nt  smartvoter   Jun-02-06 12:41 PM   #260 
      no, I don't think so  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-02-06 01:23 PM   #270 
      80,000 for Kerry to 160,000 for *=vote flipping  mod mom   Jun-02-06 04:21 PM   #289 
         right, but the "troubling evidence of outright fraud" is  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-02-06 06:57 PM   #297 
   very very very very good  FayeDU Moderator   Jun-01-06 08:32 PM   #158 
   They will be instructed not to read it. They must obey. nt  smartvoter   Jun-02-06 12:43 PM   #262 
   So, what the hell do we do?  Onlooker   Jun-01-06 08:35 PM   #160 
   Blackwell needs to go to prison for a long long time n/t  peanutbrittle   Jun-01-06 08:37 PM   #161 
   He also needs to be defeated in his run for Gov. n/t  wisteria   Jun-02-06 12:23 AM   #193 
   So there you have it...........  ClintonTyree   Jun-01-06 08:39 PM   #162 
   Did anyone on Air America or Ed Schultz talk about this today????  Quixote1818   Jun-01-06 08:42 PM   #164 
   Thom Hartmann talks about it all the time. Shultz and Franken aren't  Amaryllis   Jun-01-06 09:56 PM   #179 
   Thank you john boy!  The Sushi Bandit   Jun-01-06 09:17 PM   #167 
   Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-01-06 09:35 PM   #174 
      That's horsepoo - if Kerry WAS part of it then WHY did he BEAT BUSH so  blm   Jun-01-06 11:19 PM   #189 
      good points!! why WOULD kerry beat-up * in the debates,  txb   Jun-02-06 12:30 AM   #194 
         You think Kerry wasn't a part of why Kennedy took on this issue? Or that  blm   Jun-02-06 03:22 AM   #219 
            2 Court Cases in OH -- keep waiting for Mr. Kerry? Gimme a BREAK!  txb   Jun-02-06 03:57 AM   #226 
               Kerry WAS quoted in the article - did you even READ THE ARTICLE?  blm   Jun-02-06 04:00 AM   #227 
               swftboating....nice misdirection. now calm down.....  txb   Jun-02-06 04:35 AM   #233 
                  There are many logical reasons why Kerry chose to concede.  wisteria   Jun-02-06 09:09 AM   #242 
                     What if  disndat   Jun-02-06 01:11 PM   #266 
               Kerry enigma  disndat   Jun-02-06 09:19 AM   #243 
                  What a crock - Kerry was the senator who INITIATED Alito filibuster when  blm   Jun-02-06 10:30 AM   #248 
                  Nagourney is poisonous  disndat   Jun-02-06 11:36 AM   #254 
                  You forget Gore has been stigmatized also.  wisteria   Jun-02-06 01:08 PM   #265 
                  Are you kidding?  TheGoldenRule   Jun-02-06 01:32 PM   #272 
                     That's ABSURD - if Gore was serious about fraud, he had 4 years to  blm   Jun-02-06 03:08 PM   #277 
                     reality? how about John Kerry tries reality?  txb   Jun-02-06 03:21 PM   #279 
                        History will show that IranContra, BCCI, illegal wars in Central America,  blm   Jun-02-06 03:35 PM   #280 
                           nice point re: history.....  txb   Jun-02-06 03:43 PM   #281 
                              Conyers and Kerry are working together - no one could be so obtuse  blm   Jun-02-06 03:48 PM   #282 
                                 conyers is forced to work with Kerry cause the guy won't go away...  txb   Jun-02-06 04:09 PM   #286 
                                    Clinton had the benefit of running with BAD HEADLINES for Bush1 thanks to  blm   Jun-02-06 04:16 PM   #287 
                                       you are off your rocker officially now.  txb   Jun-02-06 04:24 PM   #290 
                                          HE HAD NO EVIDENCE - get it through the cloud - machines need securing  blm   Jun-02-06 04:32 PM   #292 
                     Excellent Points! Who does John Kerry think we are?!  txb   Jun-02-06 03:10 PM   #278 
                  I strongly disagree with most of what you say.  wisteria   Jun-02-06 12:55 PM   #263 
      , Huh? Your post is just plain nonsense. Kerry is still just about the  wisteria   Jun-02-06 12:30 AM   #195 
      Welcome to DU;  lildreamer316   Jun-02-06 06:32 AM   #239 
         thanks! 8-)  txb   Jun-02-06 11:25 AM   #252 
            yeah i saw the 23 posts and thought  daveskilt   Jun-02-06 11:24 PM   #300 
   "Mighty Texas Strike Force"..does that burn your ass or what! n/t  peanutbrittle   Jun-01-06 09:36 PM   #175 
   eww tanks kpete.  lonestarnot   Jun-01-06 09:37 PM   #176 
   Maybe some country will invade us  democrank   Jun-01-06 09:58 PM   #180 
   Oh happy Day  malaise   Jun-01-06 10:13 PM   #181 
   kick for RFK Jr.  peekaloo   Jun-01-06 10:29 PM   #182 
   KICK!  Connie_Corleone   Jun-01-06 11:13 PM   #188 
   Thank you, Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.  charles t   Jun-01-06 11:46 PM   #191 
   Wow, that could have been written by TIA  Redneck Socialist   Jun-02-06 12:34 AM   #196 
   great post and great article. It is nice to have a respected man such  wisteria   Jun-02-06 12:36 AM   #198 
   I was just trying to debate this with someone  upi402   Jun-02-06 12:59 AM   #200 
   I live in Columbus, OH  Botany   Jun-02-06 01:16 AM   #201 
   I was in Akron-Canton area that day...I saw it too...  Pachamama   Jun-02-06 03:32 AM   #221 
   Me too! On the East side of Columbus. My precinct includes our convict  mod mom   Jun-02-06 04:30 PM   #291 
   Loved most of it  Land Shark   Jun-02-06 01:49 AM   #205 
   Glad the article was done, thank you RFK JR. Now lets bring on the  autorank   Jun-02-06 02:56 AM   #217 
   Has John Kerry or any other High Profile Democrat  brettdale   Jun-02-06 02:04 AM   #209 
   Should we mass email this to the media  brettdale   Jun-02-06 02:06 AM   #210 
   Yes, but do more than that (see below) n/t  Senator   Jun-02-06 02:10 AM   #212 
   OK - Party Tonight --- Tommorrow, Get to Work !!!  Senator   Jun-02-06 02:09 AM   #211 
   So many of us feel helpless most of the time.  dancingAlone   Jun-02-06 09:55 AM   #245 
   will do it  NJCher   Jun-02-06 11:07 AM   #251 
   Republicans are soooo EVIL. They are maggots from hell.  Zorra   Jun-02-06 02:11 AM   #213 
   MOST IMPORTANT SENTENCE OF THE ARTICLE!!  CornField   Jun-02-06 02:24 AM   #215 
   OMG! This has to be stopped! This will be the destruction of much of  Pachamama   Jun-02-06 03:20 AM   #218 
      Don't worry, the cat is out of the bag.  dailykoff   Jun-02-06 03:32 AM   #222 
      it IS utterly sickening, but...  renate   Jun-02-06 04:02 AM   #228 
   . . . and that's why they killed JFK Jr.  dailykoff   Jun-02-06 03:27 AM   #220 
   Your correct...Republicans knew JFK Jr. was the democrats future golden  LaPera   Jun-02-06 03:36 AM   #224 
   Excellent! K&R.  Vidar   Jun-02-06 03:34 AM   #223 
   When will KERRY have something to say about this???  txb   Jun-02-06 04:07 AM   #230 
      We Should Replace Bush with Kerry  stepnw1f   Jun-02-06 04:41 PM   #293 
   I don't know to what extent  DFW   Jun-02-06 04:05 AM   #229 
   the silence is deafening!  txb   Jun-02-06 04:25 AM   #231 
   Quote from Kerry in Rolling Stone Article:  txb   Jun-02-06 05:01 AM   #234 
      Constant attacks on Kerry who wants all electronic voting machines banned  blm   Jun-02-06 10:39 AM   #250 
         Pretty Obvious Isn't It blm?  stepnw1f   Jun-02-06 04:42 PM   #294 
   no  FayeDU Moderator   Jun-02-06 12:58 PM   #264 
   I live in one of the Ohio counties discussed. Voting that day was a joke.  cassiepriam   Jun-02-06 05:20 AM   #235 
   ttt n/t  Blue_Tires   Jun-02-06 05:42 AM   #236 
   kick! for TIA! n/t  WeHoldTheseTruths   Jun-02-06 06:07 AM   #237 
   Paper ballots and Hand counts NOW!!! Democracy NOW!!! God speed RFK & TIA!  In Truth We Trust   Jun-02-06 07:49 AM   #241 
   Oh happy day. n/t  NoSheep   Jun-02-06 09:29 AM   #244 
   Why doesn' t everyone register as a repub, then vote dem?  halobeam   Jun-02-06 12:03 PM   #256 
   Damn! Thats an idea. My SO registered as an independent for that very  NoSheep   Jun-02-06 12:42 PM   #261 
      Honest question,  halobeam   Jun-02-06 01:31 PM   #271 
   This is the issue that brought me to DU. RFK Jr. is My Hero!  TheGoldenRule   Jun-02-06 12:34 PM   #258 
   I've Believed This All Along... Having Watched Results Here In Florida  ChiciB1   Jun-02-06 01:22 PM   #269 
   This article confirms my own beliefs and evidence about 2004  distantearlywarning   Jun-02-06 01:34 PM   #273 
   This is so excellent.  bloom   Jun-02-06 01:45 PM   #274 
   "The biggest most important story in the history of the United States"  LaPera   Jun-02-06 02:15 PM   #275 
   PRESIDENT KERRY  stepnw1f   Jun-02-06 04:43 PM   #295 
   Dupe!  LaPera   Jun-02-06 09:15 PM   #298 
   Cheers to Rolling Stone Magazine & RFK Jr. Buy a copy & give it to someone  LaPera   Jun-02-06 09:15 PM   #299 
 
VolcanoJen (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 02:26 PM
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1. Thank you so much!
Thank you Robert Kennedy Jr., thank you Rolling Stone, thank you BradBlog, and thank you, kpete.

This Buckeye is still waiting for justice.

I'm calling you from somewhere deep in Ohio,
Jennifer
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EVDebs (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 02:28 PM
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2. Muchas gracias ! Bookmarked and nominated for greatest page nt
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stepnw1f (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 02:29 PM
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3. Go Get Em' Jen!
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VolcanoJen (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 02:34 PM
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11. I saw it with my own eyes. Kennedy is RIGHT.
Edited on Thu Jun-01-06 02:34 PM by VolcanoJen
From the article:

In what may be the single most astounding fact from the election, one in every four Ohio citizens who registered to vote in 2004 showed up at the polls only to discover that they were not listed on the rolls, thanks to GOP efforts to stem the unprecedented flood of Democrats eager to cast ballots. And that doesn?t even take into account the troubling evidence of outright fraud, which indicates that upwards of 80,000 votes for Kerry were counted instead for Bush. That alone is a swing of more than 160,000 votes -- enough to have put John Kerry in the White House.

As many of you know, during the campaign, I single-handedly registered 30+ voters... coworkers, friends, young people who wanted to know how to express their displeasure with the administration.

"How?" they would ask me.

"VOTE!" I would say. I always carried a stack of Registration Cards in my car, and eagerly signed everyone up.

I personally know of SEVEN voters I personally registered who never received a registration card. I looked up their precincts and gave them the information needed to vote.

These SEVEN people showed up... and they weren't on the rolls. I cannot express how sickened I felt, and continue to feel, about this.

If I registered about 30 voters, and I personally know SEVEN people who's rights were denied, then Kennedy is SPOT ON about his 1 in 4 statistic.
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stepnw1f (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 02:40 PM
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17. That Would Have Sickened Me As Well
My God...did they ask you what happened?
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VolcanoJen (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 02:42 PM
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23. They did ask, and I was heartbroken.
They were so disappointed. Three of them were coworkers I work with to this day.

And to this day, I wonder if they think I never mailed those cards. To be certain, I did NOT mail those cards. I took all of them, in one bundle, straight down to the Board of Elections office.

Now, I know that the other voters did get registered. But seven of thirty were... what? Thrown out? Shredded? Disposed of? Laughed at?
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stepnw1f (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 02:52 PM
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30. I'm Sorry Jen.. That Must Have Been Really Difficult
Don't blame yourself... you did what you could, and probably inspired others to do what they can. Give yourself a pat on the back instead.
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Tyrone Slothrop (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 03:36 PM
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59. I live in NY
But something similar happened to me too.

I was registered in a different state as I had moved to NY in late 2003. In April of '04, I filled out a form to have my registration transferred to NY state from IL. No problem.

In September of '04, I received a postcard from the state's election board specifically addressed to me and telling me exactly where I was supposed to go vote, which precinct I was in, etc. On Election Day, I took the card with me just in case.

The pollworkers indicated that I was not in their books; I wondered if this might happen as I had transferred my registration relatively recently (as far as bureaucracy runs, anyway). They gave me one of the "special" ballots and told me that the main registration office would look me up and if I had valid registration it would be counted. I figured this was what happened and that the registrar had forgotten to add me to the book given to the pollworkers; after all, I had receieved the notice from the election board telling me where to go, etc.

I left feeling patriotic and hopeful that we were going to take the WH back.

Of course, we didn't.

What stuck in my craw, however, was the letter I received from the election board about 4-5 months after the election. They informed me that I had never registered with the state etc. and so my vote was not counted. In fact, my ballot I had filled out was included in the rejection form letter they sent me.

It still makes me slightly nauseous just thinking about it.
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NewYorkerfromMass (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 04:55 PM
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93. blame it on HARVA
that is, the Help American REPUBLICANs Vote Act.
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VolcanoJen (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Jun-02-06 01:13 PM
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268. That is one of the saddest things I have ever read in my entire life.
Wow, Tyrone. :-(
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Jun-02-06 04:03 PM
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284. awful
:mad: Dems that voted for HAVA are just as bad...

Man, this is disheartening...
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PurgedVoter Donating Member (589 posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 04:24 PM
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80. There is a reason I call myself purgedvoter.
I have been purged twice. I have heard 4 different excuses why. I have heard that I was fixed when I was not.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu Jun-01-06 09:21 PM
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170. That is so
Frustrating! Belated Welcome to DU!
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PurgedVoter Donating Member (589 posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 10:37 PM
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183. Not really, that frustrating but thanks,
Edited on Thu Jun-01-06 10:38 PM by PurgedVoter
I live 5 miles from the Bush Library, so I figure that when I do get to vote it gets flipped anyway. Still, the fact that they are bothering to mess with my vote tells me they don't feel secure even in this area. The fun part is that I know election officials who have changed over to our way of thinking because of the experiences they have had helping with the polls.
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Jun-02-06 12:25 PM
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257. Jason watched the same thing happen
in Clark County. They stole Ohio in 2004 as much as they did Florida in 2000.
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stepnw1f (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 02:29 PM
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4. The Timing is Just Right
Kick for Democracy!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 03:30 PM
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55. Exactly - they needed the public to understand the CORRUPTION of GOPs in
Ohio and all over the country before an issue THIS HUGE could be DIGESTED.
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stepnw1f (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 11:02 PM
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186. yes... just like the last Presidential Election in the Ukraine
nice "pre-emptive strike". :evilgrin:
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Notoverit (302 posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 02:29 PM
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5. Keep in mind, Ohio was only one state. Florida, New Mexico come to mind...
Kist because dear Bev muddied the waters about Florida so much that no decent person was able to look for anything, didn't make that result valid.
Greg Palast spoke of New mexico and a few other state.
So, that question mark in the title - purely rhetorical.
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bluefish (166 posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 02:30 PM
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6. Thanks for posting this...
I voted this for the Greatest Page.
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Deb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 02:33 PM
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7. You can also scroll down to the bottom and give opinions :-)
Thanks for posting this link, I'm sending this article out to others.
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CatWoman DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 02:33 PM
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8. keep this sucker kicked
:kick:

and recommended!!!
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Downtown Hound (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 02:33 PM
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9. Better late than never
is all I have to say. It's funny that when places like DU are discussing issues like this two years ago, we're labeled as paranoid and conspiracy theorists. Then a couple years later, this stuff starts to become mainstream.
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Esra Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 06:38 PM
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129. In politics, timing is critical. I think Mr Kennedy has.......
done the research and is aware of the opponents.
He would also be familiar with their tactics.
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Jun-02-06 01:56 AM
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207. another reason I love DU
Edited on Fri Jun-02-06 01:57 AM by NJCher
It's funny that when places like DU are discussing issues like this two years ago, we're labeled as paranoid and conspiracy theorists. Then a couple years later, this stuff starts to become mainstream.

Man, I would so hate being MAINSTREAM.

:puke:




Cher

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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 02:34 PM
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10. This deserves to go straight to the TOP of the Greatest Page.
Recommending! Let's get this on the homepage, folks!
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 02:35 PM
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12. Thank you, kpete! As devastating as this story is, I'm so glad it's
finally seeing the light of day!

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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 02:38 PM
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15. Sister and Brothers...Updated at 5:57 PM
We WILL Win This Battle Yet!
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 02:35 PM
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13. This is a damn good article
and I'm not even half way through it yet.

:kick:
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu Jun-01-06 02:38 PM
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14. I want the thieves to hang.
They are so drenched in blood, they are almost invisible for the red.
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carolinalady (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 02:39 PM
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16. Reading this article just depresses me. We have known this
for years, so it is great to see it validated, but what really upsets me is that it will only go down in the annals of history, and no one will be punished.

:banghead:
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Notoverit (302 posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 02:40 PM
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18. Exit polls vs results
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MsKandice01 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 05:07 PM
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100. Do you have a link for that?
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114. Link
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Febble (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 08:03 PM
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154. umm.....
that is one weird link. It turns up from time to time, and I once pursued it to Wikipedia, where, to my astonishment, it was attributed to me.

Well, it isn't mine, and it's wrong, as anyone can check by looking at the voting methods attributed to each state.

So to put things straight let me tell you how it was:

Precinct level discrepancy was lower, across all voting methodologies, including paper, in suburban and rural areas, and in urban areas of less than 50,000. In urban areas of more than 50,000, precinct level discrepancy was higher. There was also a significant difference by voting methodology. However, the difference was in the opposite direction to that implied by these charts: the discrepancy was significantly greater in precincts using older technology (levers, punchcards) than in precincts using DREs or optical scanners.

I do wish someone would put those charts out of their misery. I scrubbed the Wikipedia one (seeing as I was supposed to the source) but they keep turning up in the oddest places.

Cheers

Lizzie
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 10:49 PM
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184. link to all the graphs
Edited on Thu Jun-01-06 10:52 PM by eowyn_of_rohan
The one I posted showed only some of the states' graphs. This one has all of them.
http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=4272

The original webpage was here, back in early Nov., 2004, but is gone now.
http:/ / img103.exs.cx/img103/4526/exit_poll. gif

(web address showed in post as an x'd out image, so I had to separate the address components)

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fearnobush (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Jun-02-06 01:31 AM
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203. Remember These CNN screen shots.
Thanks to DU member EarlG for grabbing these screen shots on fraudlection night 2004!

<>

Kerry up 2 among men, up 6 among women at 12:21am

At 1:41am they changed the results to favor Bush:

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VolcanoJen (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 02:41 PM
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19. Is this going to be Rolling Stone's Cover Story?
Oh, I hope, I hope, I hope.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 04:39 PM
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87. yes!!!!!
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 02:41 PM
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20. The first page alone is absolutely damning!
This is everything we've been screaming about and yelling about for years now.

Of course, here we are in the same place we were in 2003. November is already upon us.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 02:41 PM
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21. thanks, I was looking for this earlier
:thumbsup:
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 02:42 PM
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22. How much longer will the politicos IGNORE THIS FREAKIN' ISSUE???
I wonder if Chris Dodd will look at the evoting issue as he did when Kerry wanted it investigated or made an issue?
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 02:43 PM
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24. Curiouser and curiouser


That despite all these allegtions and actual PROOFS, what
are the penalties?

You get the feeling that if someon e had seen Barbara Bush
bent over in a Registrar of Voters' Office, throwing a switch altering
all Kerry votes to bush votes, she would have only been fined
with 200 hours of community service.
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hopeisaplace (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 02:49 PM
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27. lol, actually I think the new republican way is
to come out and virtually admit things are wrong, gone wrong, going wrong, have gone wrong,
could still possibly go wrong, may or may not go wrong, ..."but we're on it and we're not going to
accept anything less than right". (oh.my.gawd.)

I swear it's the old let's just admit it, explain it away, and move on routine now...cause
neener-neener-you-can't-catch-me-neener-neener..

(lol, although not really lol, that's my opinion)
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Chiyo-chichi Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu Jun-01-06 04:12 PM
Response to Reply #27
74. I think that is exactly right.
That is exactly what they do... and they get away with it.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 02:53 PM
Original message
Shouldn't Blackwell be in jail for subverting an election?
It's crazy. No justice. No media. America is a runaway mess.

It's difficult to stay rational around here. :)
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NEOBuckeye Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Jun-02-06 01:42 AM
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204. Absolutely. Blackwell is a criminal who deserves hard prison time.
I'm glad that SOMEONE has finally put the microscope over this terrible man and what he has done. Thank you, Robert Kennedy Jr!

Blackwell has the audacity to claim he is following in the footsteps of Martin Luther King and Ghandi, but as an African-American, he has in fact, betrayed the very movement and people like King who sacrificed their very lives, just so he would have an opportunity to attain government office in the first place. Ken Blackwell is nothing more than a slimy, fork-tongued, self-serving snake. He needs to take a very hard fall at the hands of justice.
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LaPera (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Jun-02-06 03:39 AM
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225. Blackwell WILL be the next Governor...The voting machines will steal it
very easily for him...Shit, Ohio...there is no doubt about this one!
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 03:19 PM
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50. she'd just plead "Not Guilty by Reason of Insanity"...
She was out of her beautiful mind.
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VolcanoJen (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 02:44 PM
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25. Riveting.... look at this paragraph, for those who forgot the Exit Polls.
On the evening of the vote, reporters at each of the major networks were briefed by pollsters at 7:54 p.m. Kerry, they were informed, had an insurmountable lead and would win by a rout: at least 309 electoral votes to Bush's 174, with fifty-five too close to call.(28) In London, Prime Minister Tony Blair went to bed contemplating his relationship with President-elect Kerry.

My God.
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hopeisaplace (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 02:50 PM
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29. I read a synopsis of this 2 years ago...where have they been???
oh yah, I forgot, sleeping.
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DoYouEverWonder (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 02:54 PM
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35. Damn
I wish TIA was here.

I hope he's at least in good enough shape to get to see this article.

TIA nailed it.

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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 03:45 PM
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68. where is TIA?
Did something happen?
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DoYouEverWonder (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 04:19 PM
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78. TruthIsAll
He did tons of work crunching data comparing exit polls and the vote counts.

Check out the election forum for some of his work.

Unfortunately, last I've heard he was very ill.


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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu Jun-01-06 07:37 PM
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144. I hope TruthIsAll knows he was a BIG BIG part in getting this story out
I think he was a consistent drip that became a waterfall. Maybe he saved Democracy for future generations. God bless him. I don't know him, but I read almost all of his postings and I used to think, "keep at, keep at it, someone will hear, someone will listen"
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CornField (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Jun-02-06 02:24 AM
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214. Can't read anything about the polls without thinking of TIA
Hope he is smiling at this report... after all, it's everything he's been saying since the election was stolen.
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renate Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 06:35 PM
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127. it is so painful to read those words
I just want to cry, and cry, and cry, and cry, and cry....
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 02:46 PM
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26. There is much more to this story than illegal suppression of Dem votes
by Bushites election officials and operatives. Bushite corporations have gained control of the actual vote tabulation, with 'TRADE SECRET,' PROPRIETARY programming code in the new (2002-2004) electronic voting systems. Here's a rundown on this deeper problem, which will keep putting Bushites in office, illegitimately, now and forever, no matter how many Voting Rights Acts we pass or manage to get enforced--if we do not address the deeper problem of NON-TRANSPARENT, corporate-run elections.

OVERVIEW: AMERICAN REVOLUTION II

What we now have is several big electronic voting corporations with very close ties to the Republican Party and rightwing causes--Diebold, ES&S and Sequoia-- 'counting' all our votes with 'TRADE SECRET,' PROPRIETARY programming code--code so secret that not even our secretaries of state are permitted to review it--with virtually no audit/recount controls. This is the result of the infamous "Help America Vote Act" of 2002, a $4 billion electronic voting boondoggle engineered by the biggest crooks in Congress, Tom Delay and Bob Ney (and abetted by Bilderber 'Democrat' Christopher Dodd).

Our elections are now NON-TRANSPARENT and UNVERIFIABLE, and under the control of partisan corporations. The $4 billion and millions in lavish lobbying were also used to corrupt election officials from one end of the land to other. And those they have not been able to corrupt, they have driven from office (Kevin Shelly in California), or sought to intimidate (Ion Sancho in Florida, and others). Corruption or bullying by the Bushite Feds has resulted in the widespread purchase of this extremely insecure, unreliable and hackable--and very expensive--election theft machinery.

Restoring TRANSPARENT elections is a MUST DO, PRIORITY ONE, MATTER, if we want our country back. Without the right to vote, we can do little or nothing to restore lawful government. We can protest. We can be appalled. But if the will of the majority--which has always been for peace and justice, and good government, consistently over the last six years, in ALL the issue polls--cannot be enforced, then we might as well be shouting to the wind.

--------------------------------------

SOME RESOURCES FOR AMERICAN REVOLUTION II:

Practical suggestions for the immediate future:

1. ABSENTEE BALLOT VOTING. Promote absentee ballot voting. It's not the ultimate solution, by any means, but it at least provides a tangible paper record for challenging suspicious election results, and for recounts and investigations. (Absentee ballots were a great help to investigators in 2004.) Absentee ballot voting is also a form of protest against the machines. 50% of Californians are now requesting Absentee Ballots. If enough people do it, the machines will be obsolete; then we can work on getting rid of the central tabulators.

2. MONITOR THE ELECTIONS. Join with others to closely monitor the coming elections and gather and document evidence. See www.UScountvotes.org, and other resources, below. UScountvotes.org needs donations!

3. DEMAND INDEPENDENT EXIT POLLS. Demand that the Democratic Party fund INDEPENDENT EXIT POLLS. Exit polls are used worldwide to verify elections and check for fraud. The war profiteering corporate news monopoly exit polls cannot be trusted (they are doctored to match the results from the voting machines' secret programming code; rather than being used to verify elections, they are used to confirm NON-TRANSPARENT "official results"). The Democratic Party owes us, big time, for their lack of vigilance--and in some cases corruption--on electronic voting. This is one critically needed thing that they can do to help.

4. THINK LONG TERM. Saving our democracy promises to be a long hard struggle. We obviously can't get rid of these machines before the '06 elections, so focus on doing our best with the Diebold/ES&S handicap (a 5% to 10% "thumb on the scales" for Bushites and warmongers), and getting rid of these machines afterward, for '08 and beyond.

5. TELL PEOPLE THE TRUTH. They NEED to know it. Engage them in the fight. Bumper sticker: "Help Us Beat the Machines--VOTE!" There is nothing more demoralizing and disempowering than constantly losing and not knowing WHY. There is evidence that the machines CAN be beaten by massive turnout. Get people involved! Help them to SEE what's happening! THEY will solve the problem, ultimately--if they can only IDENTIFY what it is!

6. PRESSURE LOCAL/STATE ELECTION OFFICIALS. Right now, the best place to fight this fight is at the state/local level, where ordinary people still have some influence. Bush's Congress is NOT going to give us back our right to vote--they are the ones who took it away (with the collusion of some corrupt Dems). Don't look to the Feds--look to your local county registrar, your state election boards, your secretaries of state. Demand TRANSPARENT elections. Also educate and mobilize your local Democratic Party groups.

History has chosen us to save this great democracy and pass it on to the future. The first priority in this historic fight is restoring our right to vote--the mechanism by which we exercise our sovereignty as a people. Without it, we have no power. We MUST change this.

Never give up on our right to vote! NEVER!

----------------------

ADDITIONAL RESOURCES FOR AMERICAN REVOLUTION II:

Hopeful signs - latest news:

California voters sue the state over Diebold:
www.VoterAction.org is suing the state of California and 18 Calif county registrars on behalf of 25 California voter/plaintiffs, on the illegal Diebold "certification" by Schwarzenegger appointee Bruce McPherson.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Seven of these counties have promised the judge they would use PAPER BALLOTS, and were dismissed from this lawsuit (4/27/06).
http://kcbs.com/pages/29285.php
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Maryland rejects Diebold:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Florida - anti-trust accusations against Diebold, ES&S and Sequoia, re: heroic Florida election official Ion Sancho:
(FLA AG subpoenas the companies)
http://www.computerworld.com/governmenttopics/governmen...
http://www.tbo.com/news/politics/MGBKSY8W8LE.html
(info & discussion)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Utah county clerk fights back!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

(Tide turning?) New York Times: "New Fears of Security Risks in Electronic Voting Systems" (5/12/06)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

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INFORMATION AND ACTIVIST RESOURCES for American Revolution II:

www.votersunite.org (MythBreakers - easy primer on electronic voting--one of the myths is that HAVA requires electronic voting; it does not.)
www.UScountvotes.org (statistical monitoring of '06 and '08 elections--they need donations)


(Activist sites with links to state activist groups or info)
www.votetrustusa.org (news of this great movement from around the country)
www.votersunited.org (good general info, and state links)
www.verifiedvoting.org (great activist site)
www.solarbus.org/election/index.shtml (fab compendium of all election info)

www.freepress.org (devoted to election reform)
www.bradblog.com (also great, and devoted to election reform)
www.TruthIsAll.net (analysis of the 2004 election)* :patriot: :applause: :patriot:
www.votepa.us (well-organized local group of citizen activists in Pennsylvania, where important legal issues are at stake, including state's rights over election systems)
Provisions of the PA lawsuit:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

The Voter Confidence Resolution
http://tinyurl.com/rlnr2 (“We Do Not Consent”)
http://guvwurld.blogspot.com (GuvWurld blog main page)
http://tinyurl.com/amryg (Voter Confidence Resolution

www.debrabowen.com (Calif Senator running for Sec of State to reform election system)
www.johnbonifaz.com (running for Massachusetts Sec of State on strong election reform and antiwar platform)

:applause: CALIFORNIANS, VOTE FOR DEBRA BOWEN IN THE DEM PRIMARY THIS JUNE 6! :applause:

*Some tributes to TruthIsAll, who is very ill:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Congressional bills:

Russ Holt's HR 550 requires a real paper ballot, bans secret software in "voting machines", and has more than 170 co-sponsors, but the audit required is too weak, it promotes electronic voting and centralized power, and the secret software might be permitted to continue in the central tabulators (the bill is not clear). At lot of discussion at DU of the loopholes/pitfalls in HR 550 (many DUers support the bill):
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
To sign the HR 550 petition: http://www.rushholt.com/petition.html

(Note: Senate Bill-SB 330 and House-HR704 simply require a "voter verified paper audit trail" (VVPAT), which may be best for the moment.)


Also of interest:

Michael Collins (Autorank)'s searing election reform article for New Zealand's Scoop.com
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Bob Koehler (-- four recent election reform initiatives in Ohio, predicted to win by 60/40 votes, flipped over, on election day, into 60/40 LOSSES!--the biggest flipover we've seen yet; the election theft machines and their masters are now dictating election policy! Title: "Poll Shock" 11/24/05)
http://commonwonders.com/archives/col321.htm

Bob Koehler's latest: "Trust us: Take this box and stuff it" (3/16/06)
http://commonwonders.com/archives/col337.htm
More Koehler:
www.tmsfeatures.com/tmsfeatures/subcategory.jsp?file=20...

Amaryllis (Diebold, ES&S, Sequoia lavish lobbying of election officials - Beverly Hilton, Aug. '05)
www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=vi...

HOWARD DEAN remarks on electronic voting machines 04/06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

------------------------------------------------

Throw Diebold, ES&S and ALL election theft machines into 'Boston Harbor' NOW!

:think: :patriot: :woohoo: :patriot: :think:

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"That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it." --Thomas Jefferson, The Declaration of Independence
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Fri Jun-02-06 01:59 AM
Response to Reply #26
208. Outstanding work, Peace Patriot
May we right this wrong.


((((((Peace Patriot))))) :patriot: :applause: :patriot:
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 02:50 PM
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28. I dedicate this story...
To Dear TruthIsAll. Verily, he wrote so damn much of it and was a voice crying out in the wilderness.

God bless him.

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hopeisaplace (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 02:53 PM
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33. absolutely, I remember a lot of his material...I read so much
on this issue after the election - I was outraged.
(was a DU Lurker in those days)
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PhilYerHead (160 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 06:53 PM
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135. I was a lurker until this post.
TruthIsAll did us all a great service. We're lucky to have him.

Phil
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hopeisaplace (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 10:56 PM
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185. Welcome to DU, :)
he sure did.. :)

:hi:
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DemExpat (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 03:25 PM
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52. I will join you on this, T_S.....
I dedicate this to TIA as well, and am very happy and at the same time strangely saddened to see lots of what he put together come to more light.

:kick:

DemEx
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 03:28 PM
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54. Square that salute, buddy.
To TIA.
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lavenderdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 03:41 PM
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64. what has happened to TIA?
Edited on Thu Jun-01-06 03:42 PM by lavenderdiva
I read a couple of threads by his sister, but never heard how he is doing?

on edit: he would LOVE this article. Have his writings ever been published anywhere? if so, any links?
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WiseButAngrySara (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 05:24 PM
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106. I have the same question! I think of TIA everytime I read about exit
poll analysis! How I loved his articles (I was a new DUer at the time). I hope he is well, but like you, I haven't been aware of an update on his reportedly 'grave' condition.
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rainy (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 05:25 PM
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107. Google Truthisall he can be contacted. I just wrote him a letter.
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JPZenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 02:52 PM
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31. Scrubbing people off the registration lists in Ohio
Edited on Thu Jun-01-06 02:54 PM by JPZenger
At least Blackwell is probably going to lose the Governor's race in Ohio. Here's another excerpt from the article:

"To stem the tide of new registrations, the Republican National Committee and the Ohio Republican Party attempted to knock tens of thousands of predominantly minority and urban voters off the rolls through illegal mailings known in electioneering jargon as ''caging.'' During the Eighties, after the GOP used such mailings to disenfranchise nearly 76,000 black voters in New Jersey and Louisiana, it was forced to sign two separate court orders agreeing to abstain from caging. But during the summer of 2004, the GOP targeted minority voters in Ohio by zip code, sending registered letters to more than 200,000 newly registered voters(64) in sixty-five counties. On October 22nd, a mere eleven days before the election, Ohio Republican Party Chairman Bob Bennett -- who also chairs the board of elections in Cuyahoga County -- sought to invalidate the registrations of 35,427 voters who had refused to sign for the letters or whose mail came back as undeliverable. Almost half of the challenged voters were from Democratic strongholds in and around Cleveland.

There were plenty of valid reasons that voters had failed to respond to the mailings: The list included people who couldn't sign for the letters because they were serving in the U.S. military, college students whose school and home addresses differed,and more than 1,000 homeless people who had no permanent mailing address. But the undeliverable mail, Bennett claimed, proved the new registrations were fraudulent.

By law, each voter was supposed to receive a hearing before being stricken from the rolls. Instead, in the week before the election, kangaroo courts were rapidly set up across the state at Blackwell's direction that would inevitably disenfranchise thousands of voters at a time -- a process that one Democratic election official in Toledo likened to an ''inquisition.'' Not that anyone was given a chance to actually show up and defend their right to vote: Notices to challenged voters were not only sent out impossibly late in the process, they were mailed to the very addresses that the Republicans contended were faulty. Adding to the atmosphere of intimidation, sheriff's detectives in Sandusky County were dispatched to the homes of challenged voters to investigate the GOP's claims of fraud."

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(Comment - By the way, if this system had been used in Pennsylvania, Rick Santorum would have been kicked off the voting rolls. When the Pittsburgh paper mailed a questionaire to his only address within PA., it came back to them with no forwarding address, because Santorum really lives in Virginia.)
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lavenderdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 02:52 PM
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32. thank you kpete, for posting this--
I have bookmarked your thread, nominated it, and am now kicking it. This is one of the most important articles to be published recently.
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 02:53 PM
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34. I'll have to pick up the hard copy at the store
or print it out myself. 'Cause it's a long 'un, and staring at the computer screen for that long will surely make me blind before my time.

K&R :kick:
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TheUnspeakable Donating Member (720 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 02:57 PM
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36. thank you-k&r !!!
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 03:01 PM
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37. Told KO to cover this on Countdown...
hopefully he will read my e-mail.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 03:03 PM
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39. GREAT idea!Updated at 6:23 PM
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PearliePoo2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 03:02 PM
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38. Reading this
brings it all back......
I was intently watching the exit polls. I whooped for joy, turned off my laptop and headed to town to buy a bottle of good bubbly. I felt good about my campaign involvement since I had encouraged 4 young people to register to vote for their first time. I answered all their questions about the importance of this election to the best of my ability.
I remember arriving back home with Scampi and champagne for two and that is when the "flip" happened.
I was incredulous, nauseated,..... still am. bastards :cry:
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Downtown Hound (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 03:43 PM
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66. I did exactly the same thing
Although I went and bought two bottles, heh, heh. And I got home, put on Air America, and all of a sudden, WHAM! I could practically pinpoint the moment that the switch happened. Funny how we we're both doing the same thing, huh? When it became clear that Kerry was going to lose, I knew right away what had happened, and I was so mad that I threw what was left of my champagne bottle across the room and it shattered on my fireplace. Fuckin' Bush. He's destroyed my country, the world's environment, Iraq, and now my champagne! Is there no end to this man's destruction?
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PearliePoo2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 04:30 PM
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84. yup...
I was literally bouncing around the store, spent $$ I shouldn't have on the feast, wanted to shout from the rooftops.
After the horror became clear, I fired off a GREAT (half-intoxicated) 2 page e-mail rant to a few repug in-laws.
They responded that it was just sour grapes on my part. (they're now ex-in-laws, ha!)
A year later, they are now grumbling...well fuck 'em.
Seems you can't find anyone now that admits voting for the bastards. Well, I know better and I'll never forgive them. In fact, I don't want to ever talk to them again or anyone else that was so stupid to not see these fascists for what they are.
As far as the environment and our country, yes, you are right. I feel the same way.
I spend a lot of time camping and fishing. Highway 101 down the Washington, Oregon, and California coast is one of my favorite trips.
But seeing the clear-cuts behind the ribbon of trees along the road makes me furious, especially knowing they won't be happy until they hack down the last old-growth fir or Redwood.
Hmmmm, looks like I've got another mini-rant going!
What can we do???? I still have energy left.
(hope you didn't cut your feet on the broken glass!)
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Downtown Hound (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 04:57 PM
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95. No, I was okay, heh, heh
Generally I'm not a mean or violent drunk that throws tantrums, but that night was an exception, and I was alone, so I didn't scare anyone else.

As to what we can do, I think the most important thing is simply to carry on. Keep on doing what we're doing. Get our personal lives in order so we can devote more time to the fight. Marching, posting on DU, listening to Air America, volunteering for campaigns, all of these things are important. But the most important thing is to not let them get the best of us. When we give in to despair, they've won. And we can't let them win. In the end, they will undo themselves. Remember what Ghandi said,

"When I despair, I remember that all through history, the way of truth and love has always prevailed. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall. Think of it....always."

More and more, I see these words as coming true. As for me, I volunteered my time for the Kerry campaign, just as you did. And now I'm about to go off to college for a second degree in mechanical engineering so I can learn about ways to combat global warming. What we need to do is just stay sane and keep a long term focus. These bastards are going to be with us for a long time, but we can't let them get the better of us. Just keep living your life, contribute where you can, and look for ways that you can help. If enough people keep doing that then we are going to beat these bastards someday, I have no doubt of it.
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PearliePoo2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 05:33 PM
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111. nice words Hound
I keep the hope too. I have turned many people on to Air America 1090 in Seattle.
I have XM radio channel 167 playing quietly at my workplace. heh heh (can Randi play quietly?)
I know a couple of co-workers who have "flipped". Yes!
Good for you and your pursuit to combat global warming. I have been to Glacier National Park and have seen the melting first hand. Going To The Sun Highway scared the crap out of me though.
Long term focus, long term focus, lather, rinse, repeat.
Nice talking to you. Best of luck at school!
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Epiphany4z (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 09:26 PM
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172. I joined
my Local Dem group. We help get Dems elected in our little corner of the world and do some fund raising, we run LTTE contest registration drives ...I said after the election we have to start local give them less places they can pull this shit and that is what I have done. On the plus size its been great fun , I get to meet candidates, go to marches and get all the local gossip..hee hee. I was evan elected secretary although I have no idea why..lol I can't spell or read my own dam writing ..lol
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tinrobot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 04:31 PM
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85. I know when Bush gave the signal to flip the election...
It was when he held that bogus little press conference at about 10pm.

I'm convinced that was the signal, because right after that, things turned.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 07:53 PM
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152. Was that the quick trip to Ohio?
Cause that trip gave me pause. That like, hour-long quickie to Ohio on election day?
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tinrobot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 08:27 PM
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156. After that...
He did go to Ohio during the day, which was odd in itself.

But that night, he watchedd results at the White House and, right when it was looking bleak, Bush came out read some sort of statement. Usually, it's tradition that the candidates remain quiet until they concede or claim victory.

Right after the staement was read, the tallies started flipping.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 08:40 PM
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163. hmmm
See, what got me about Dubya's peppy lil' visit to Ohio was that it was a great excuse to blanket the city(s) he hit with massive security. If his Daddy and his Daddy's old boss were any indicators, that would entail, streets cordoned off, sharpshooters on rooftops, ambulances, SS vehicles, local police all over...

A tinfioly gal would call that move a state-wide lockdown.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 11:23 PM
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190. same thing happened in 2000.... wasn't it earlier, though... I thought it
was about 7 or 8.
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Epiphany4z (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 09:19 PM
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169. It sure does
I remember watching the number and some reporter talking about Rove poking his head in to where the Bush was saying something is wrong with these exit polls that is when I knew Rove knew he had in fact pulled it off.
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NastyDiaper (806 posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 03:09 PM
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40. Went to bed in 2k and 2k4 expecting the best..
..but ending up with the worst. So they stuffed the ballots in value voter country.

Hey, if they are willing to start a war just to profit, should we really expect that this would be beneath them?

Or did we just refuse to belive it could be as bad as it really is.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 03:10 PM
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43. I suspected with the machines they'd steal it but was hopeful.Updated at 6:23 PM
Woke up and cried the entire day the next day.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 04:47 PM
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92. kick for your sig!
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renate Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 06:44 PM
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131. kick for that ADORABLE picture!
Reading a year and a half too late about this mess, I feel sick and brokenhearted at how a presidential election was stolen in broad daylight with not a dissenting peep from the corporate media, and what a disaster that was for the entire world, especially those in need of compassion and a helping hand....

...anyway, what I meant to say was....

Your picture is a gorgeous, precious reminder that there is still so much joy and love in a world that can seem a little overwhelming at times.

Give that darling baby a big :hug: for me!
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Jun-02-06 12:42 AM
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199. thanks for your post
peace and low stress!
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 03:09 PM
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41. Well, there it is America. Laid out for all to see.
An illegal election to reelect an already illegal president who started an illegal war.

There is nothing legitimate about politics in America since December of 1999.
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skypilot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 03:10 PM
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42. kick
*
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tinfoilinfor2005 (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 03:11 PM
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44. Blackwell not only has dirt on his hands, they are covered in blood
as well. He is directly responsible for the deaths of thousands of people.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 03:17 PM
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48. blackwell is guilty of Electoral Treason, a crime which should be
punishable by death.
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NEOBuckeye Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Jun-02-06 01:54 AM
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206. I'd settle for hard prison time.
Being held accountable for his crimes is the one thing Blackwell probably fears more than anything. But then again, he comes off as being so smug and arrogant that he probably doesn't believe that he will ever be caught and nailed to the wall.

My aversion to capital punishment fosters my belief that Blackwell should not be put to death for what he has done. But I do believe that he should definitely be made to witness his entire political career, his name and everything he has worked for totally exposed, discredited and then completely and irreparably brought to ruin in a very public and universally broadcast trial.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 03:14 PM
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45. Stunning and Indisputable
k&r
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memory (154 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 03:14 PM
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46. Finally!
I remain hopeful that the true depths of the acts of this administration will be exposed to the very bright light of day and explode into the consciousness of the American people.

It's still hard to understand that most people remain totally "in the dark"!

I'm so glad that Robert F. Kennedy and Rolling Stone are talking about this. :bounce:
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 03:17 PM
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47. damn good article
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 03:18 PM
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49. Is this a ground-breaking article? It feels like it.
Will the media and elected leaders finally break through the relative silence and deal with ALL the facts in this case?

Very well documented. A great deal of effort went into that beautiful article.

Thank you to ROBERT F. KENNEDY JR. and all who fight the good fight.
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-01-06 03:23 PM
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51. Hee! He even links to the Blackwell letter