There is no way Rove will ever be indicted for anything

[burythehatchet]

I suggest that everyone please give up on that possibility and move on. The rule of law is inoperable right now. And please, please forget the word Fitzmas.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. And you know this...how, exactly?

[seriousstan]

An unquestionable source.........truthout

[burythehatchet]

4. A humble opinion

To believe that Bush would allow it to happen is fantasy. In the context of all the laws that have been broken, it is simply absurd to believe that Alberto the torturer will allow it to happen.

[speedoo]

29. And what do you think Fitz will do, if that is the case?

Simply submit?

Resign and explain why?

Disappear?

Are there any other options for him?

[burythehatchet]

32. Fitzgerald is not the issue here.

He may make himself the issue, and that would be right and good. But he is actor in a play that is orchestrated by very evil forces. These forces are not going to allow an investigation to derail their grand plans.

[speedoo]

34. You did not answer my question.

He "may" make himself the issue? Does that mean you believe there is a possibility that he would just submit?

Another question: why did they permit the Libby indictment?

[burythehatchet]

35. I don't profess have anything but an opinion.

And yes, if the DOJ wants him to submit, he may. They've killed senators for less.

[speedoo]

36. Certainly your opinion has merit, based on the ugly reality.

However, my questions are intended to make you question your own opinion. And the fact that you have evaded those questions makes me think even less of your opinion.

Did you think through questions like these before you expressed your opinion here?

[radio4progressives]

2. Exactly what I've been saying ever since the first reports.

DU needs to get over it and move on and i agree, please 86 the "fitzmas" meme - it is so not fitzmas.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

3. Oh Thank God For You! Why Didn't We Just Ask You To Begin With!

It coulda saved us alllllll this trouble of wondering and waiting. All we had to do this whole time was ask the all knowing all powerful burythehatchet!

God, I'm so stupid. Why, why, why didn't I just ask you.

:spank:

[burythehatchet]

7. You must not have been reading my posts.

There was no reason to ask me.

[burythehatchet]

10. Given the level of emotion invested in wanting to see

these criminals brought to justice, I believe that we sometimes lose sight of certain realities. So you are free to put the sarcasm gear into overdrive, it doesn't hurt my feelings, but I would urge anyone who is able to put aside the emotion and confront the reality.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

14. The Reality, Dear Sir, Is That We Have No Idea What The Outcome Will Be.

So please, try and confront THAT reality.

[burythehatchet]

15. Relax...emotions only serve to cloud judgment

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

20. LMAO! Relax? LMAO!

Yeah, I should really tone down the rage I expressed in that post. I, I, I, I mean I just totally went OFF there didn't I? Wow, I need to take a breather after that. I usually don't let so loose on a message board. Sorry I was so amazingly rageful. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[burythehatchet]

21. Relax.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

25. Relax Buddy. It'll All Be Ok. I Promise.

[burythehatchet]

26. I pray that it will be. So much has gone wrong though.

I never dreamed that these dark ages would happen in America.

[AndyTiedye]

5. Move On To What?

If the rule of law is inoperative, then Al Gore does not stand a chance of being elected,
nor does any other Democrat. They'll just fix the elections and say they won. Again.

[proud patriot]

6. Booooo .... Hissss

I hope and pray you are wrong .

[burythehatchet]

8. No one will be happier than me if I am wrong

[BeHereNow]

11. I'm afraid you are not/will not be wrong.

It's going to take a while for people to
catch up as far as just how far gone it is.
That is deliberate.
They are WAY ahead of us.
BHN

[burythehatchet]

13. As I have said, they play chess while we play checkers.

[BeHereNow]

16. More like...

They OWN the checkers, chess boards and
everything else that wasn't nailed down while we
slumbered.
WE are so beyond screwed, but hey...maybe
a corporate owned democratic will save us?
HAHAHAHAHAHA...
BHN.
(Oh crap, there I go again, being a realist...forgive me.)

[proud patriot]

31. I know

:hug:

[Catherine Vincent]

9. I'm glad you started this thread.

That way maybe the Rove apologists can post here and stay away from the Truthout threads.

:)

[burythehatchet]

12. What does Rove apoligist imply, exactly.

Do you perceive that I am a Rove apologist?

[Maddy McCall]

17. Completely dishonest of you.

If your only argument is that anyone who raised questions about the Leopold article is a "Rove apologist," you are being terribly dishonest and manipulative. "You're either for Leopold or for Rove." Sounds kinda, hmmm...ROVIAN, doesn't it?

[burythehatchet]

18. You either support the president or you're a terrorist

:)

[Maddy McCall]

22. Exactly.

It's the same "with us or against us" bullshit. Most DUers can see through posts that say that kind of stuff. It's the hallmark of a weak argument.

[Maddy McCall]

19. I think he will be indicted. I don't think it's already happened...

and I think that the Kos diary's theory is absurd.

But I do think that Rove will be indicted.

[burythehatchet]

24. If it happens it will truly be a blessing

The only thing better would be Cheney...but...

[Quixote1818]

38. I lean toward it's already happened

It makes sense that it was a sealed indictment and now it's plea bargaining time, and they want to get as much info about the "conspiracy" as possible before making the public announcement. In this instance Roves team would be denying any indictment has happened. I am not usually the hopeful type but this is my gut feeling. I am not going to get my hopes up though. Anything can happen at this point.

[enid602]

23. alternatives

Seems to me that in simpler times a man named Nixon also tried to wave the rule of law by removing Archibald Cox as Watergate Special Prosecutor. I don't recall if there was (at the time) an effort to keep it mum, but it backfired on him nonetheless. What else would you expect Bush to do? He's up against the wall, with no political capital or legal alternatives left to him. This apparent course of events (having Gonzalez somehow reverse an indictment in process) should come as a shock to none.

[Fovea]

27. Past the rule of law lies only insurrection

is that what you recommend at this point instead?

I figure it may well come to that, but is now the time?

[burythehatchet]

28. Since I've had threads deleted along those lines

I'll just whistle.

[truthisfreedom]

30. well, you're certainly entitled to your opinion.

but don't presume to speak for the rest of us.

[burythehatchet]

33. I'm not sure where you got the impression I was speaking for anyone else

but myself. I am, however, trying to sway some opinions because I see a lot of energy spent on this issue. Personally, I think the time would be better spent focusing on fair elections and taking the house in November.

[Matariki]

37. Is your post flame-bait, or an attempt at irony?

slyly making fun of the rw talk point to "move on"?

or should i get some popcorn?

[Moderator]

39. Locking.

Please keep the Rove/Indictment/Truthout/Leopold ruminations in the Official Thread.

Thanks.