"By my hand alone almost 200 were taken out, that's just a rough estimate"

Army Ranger Jessie Macbeth speaks about War Crimes he and other Rangers committed in Iraq with the encouragement and blessing
of their superiors.

http://www.peacefilms.org /



Article here

http://dahrjamailiraq.com/weblog/archives/informational...

Thanks to DUer Barrett808 for this original thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Below is a rough paraphrase of what he said - I just typed fast while he talked. I missed a lot and probably typed some things wrong. Most of what I have here, MacBeth said...

I got sh-sh-shipped off to Oson. Once I got there (Baghdad) the whole aspect of the country changed. Our job over there is to strike fear in the heart of Iraqis. Do whatever it takes to make them fear you. T-t-t-o be brutal. We have our own purpose. We aren't there for them. The Geneva Convention ain't nothing but crap. I thought we were going over the liberate the people. Operation Iraqi Freedom - it was more like Operation Iraqi Slaughter. Most of them were families hiding down there but we were told Saddam's forces were down there, a lot of them were dead, but a lot of them weren't dead. Smell of burnt flesh, people crying. They thought we were there for them. Seeing people lying around and rotting. S-s-s-some of them that weren't wounded very bad, we had to kill them. After witnessing that it changed me. I feel like I lost a lot of myself. W-w-we would go in, there would be an average of 5-6 people that were hurt just a little bit, they avoided the main blast because they hid behind something, a lot of time they knew there weren't insurgents in there, I think they said that to make it look like we were doing the right thing. The insurgents did a lot of jacked-up stuff to the American soldiers. People have a right to fight for their families. I don't blame them. I would do the same thing. By not speaking out I feel like I am betraying all my boys that died. We would do night raids, we would have them on their knees, if the man of the house did not answer we would shoot the youngest kid in the head. An average joe, trying to support his family. We would start killing off his family until he told us something. I didn't feel anything. I just wanted to do my job. I had to make myself hate them in order to do my job. I had to make myself not think of them as people, think of them as a target, so I could complete my job. I didn't keep counted, b-b-b-y my hand alone there were probably over 200 people taken out - that is a rough estimate.

On edit: The rest of the really, really rough 'transcript' is here:
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I can support this Ranger and any others that have the courage of their convictions to speak out about the atrocities they were encouraged or ordered to commit by superior officers.

At the same time I am completely revolted by what he and others did
to innocent Iraqi civilians.

I want all troops to put down their weapons. Now and forever.

I want romanticization of the military to end.

I want American's belief that they need protection from the world to end.

I want an end to all of the media and computer game bullshit that portrays killing as the highest moral action one can take in this world: At the end of the show the good guys kill the bad guys. At the end of the show the good guys kill. Good guys kill. Good guys kill.

I want an end to the policies that give our lower socioeconomic young adults piss poor options and allow the military to build lavish "Career Centers" that bring 'em in in droves.

I want an end to an American Public that is willing to cheer for soldiers going to war like they cheer for a football team.

I want an end to politicians who cannot tell the truth about war - it is all about which rich fat white bastard gets the $$$.

Many of the troops join out of misguided patriotism or personal desperation and they are destroyed as they are made to destroy. They suffer far more than I ever will.

I don't support the troop's actions. I want them to all stop fighting now and forever.

On edit: My cousin Mac served as a Green Beret in Vietnam. He was a surgeon who was on the front lines. He saw and did everything. We lost him. After he returned home he could not go on. He was destroyed by what he did. He joined for the right reasons - he believed the lies about freedom and liberty and democracy being in danger from the communism. He acted to care for patients and protect his buddies and he contributed to the conduct of war crimes by serving. This is a nightmare for all.

"My cousin Mac served as a Green Beret in Vietnam. He was a surgeon who was on the front lines. He saw and did everything. We lost him. After he returned home he could not go on. He was destroyed by what he did. He joined for the right reasons - he believed the lies about freedom and liberty and democracy being in danger from the communism. He acted to care for patients and protect his buddies and he contributed to the conduct of war crimes by serving. This is a nightmare for all."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

"He is wearing his beret on backwards. I doubt he is even who he says he is.

It's a shame that crap like this gets posted on DU. Giving credibility to these kinds of lies demeans the whole site."

"First thing I noticed that the Chevrons on his camo jacket are Marine issue. The Army sews on green patches, Marines use metal pins."

You can't see his "chevrons" in the video.

Mother Fu**ng LIES!

I hope all of you read what I have to say about this. First, I speak to you, of Ogrish, as a combat veteran myself. I spent 6 years in the army as an Airborne Ranger stationed with an Infantry bgd at the 82nd, and with the 101st LRS Detatchment. This is the most disgusting piece of propaganda footage I have yet to see about the war in Iraq. While there *ARE* instances of deliberate abuse, killing and even torture of Iraqi non combatants, this particular interview is completely staged. Here are my conclusions...
First of all, in the beginning of the picture, the patch the supposed "Ranger" is wearing can be clearly seen on the right shoulder. A US Army soldiers right arm indicates a combat patch. You dont get one unless you've spent 6 months in a designated combat area. That's fine, except, he is wearing a Special Forces "Group" patch. I only know one ranger Unit that is authorized to wear that patch and they were deployed to Afganistan with 5th group. Also, he has two "tabs" sewn above the right arm patch. This is incorrect. An "Airborne" tab should be sewn above it, but nothing else. I assume the second patch is either the "Special Forces" tab, or his supposed "Ranger" tab. Bull s***. It doesn't go there. Also, notice his rank... Two stripes, Corporal (E-4). Thiese are pinned on. Most Units standards will state that rank is to be SEWN ON. Not pinned. Certainly, a ranger unit would uphold this standard. That's WRONG. Next, take a look at his military photo. The wall photo is similar to the ones you will find of any soldier who goes to the E-5 board for promotion. It is required that they have a "Soldier's Photo" taken for their packet. The standard is either BDU's, or Class-A's. He is shown wearing BDU's. His "Ranger" tab should be sewn above his unit patch. It's not there... Next, notice that above his name tag, there is NOTHING sewn on the uniform. Almost 99.9% of Rangers are airborne qualified. It's par for the course. I've NEVER met a L.E.G. (Low Energy Ground) Ranger. This is usually completed before attending ranger school- except for very rare circumstances. Any airborne soldier would proudly display their Jump Wings. Where are they??? Next, no god damned Unit Crest is placed in the center of the patch in his berrett. Finally, his sleeves are rolled up. For most infantry units, this is not allowed. Support units (and some combat units) will roll up their sleeves in warm weather while in garrison- However, Infantry soldiers are usually not permitted to do so because it is NON-TACTICAL for their job duty. "We train like we fight- And we dont ever fight with our sleeves up." Also, they are rolled improperly. The US Marines roll their sleeve like the liars piture. The US Army rolls up their sleeves but then folds the cuff area over the lighter portion of the sleeve to keep the uniform's camof**e pattern continuous. That's wrong. Here's an abbreviated list of discrepencies...

1. Special Forces Combat Patch (Wrong)
2. Two "Tabs" sewn above SF patch (Wrong- Only One)
3. No Ranger Tab
4. No Airborne Wings
5. No Unit Crest
6. No Sewn on Rank
7. No One in the Army rolls their sleeves like that.
Bonus: 8. Mustache is out of regulation by extending past the corner of the mouth.

You don't take a picture like that- with your uniform looking like you got it from some steven segal movie set. Its disrespectful, and an Army ranger would be upholding those standards.

I don't care what the j*** says... He is completely uncredible.

I am completely against the war in Iraq. Completely. I followed the link to this video in hopes of seeing a soldier speak out against the war in a manner that would inspire others to do the same. Aside from the lack of dates, places and names, I found a few other oddities that I think bear consideration in interpreting this veteran’s interview.

I read through all of the posts after viewing the video. As I found the second post on the matters concerning military dress interesting, I went back and replayed the first part that shows the wall picture.

As a former soldier myself (medic, 91B), I can assure you that no one in the Army rolls their sleeves that way. Absolutely no one. It's no big deal that they're rolled while he's giving the interview, but they are again rolled in the photo on the wall showed at the beginning of the video. There is just no way that could be an acceptable Soldier's Photo. He'd have been called out of regulation in a heartbeat, and those pictures are not taken until the photographer decides the soldier is 'dress right dress.' Or at least that’s what I’ve experienced. You see, in the Army and Airforce we all roll our sleeves so that the inside of the BDU's (battle dress uniform) are not shown. The reasoning is that in any situation, a soldier can yank the cuffs down in one movement. Only Marines and Sailors roll their sleeves in the manner displayed in the wall picture. (And sleeves are never rolled in a combat situation. When I served at Yongsan Garrison's military hospital in Korea, we were not exactly at war but it was still considered a combat theatre-so even in the boiling hot of summer, we weren't allowed to roll our sleeves. And when I worked in Germany after 9-11, the post commander didn’t allow anyone to roll their sleeves because the military was in a combat situation. And I've never seen a battle-ready ranger with rolled sleeves at any time).

Also, all enlisted have a metal unit insignia on their berets, and all officers wear their rank on their berets. This young man has no unit crest on his beret in that photo, which is auspiciously out of regulation. Most important to me is that active members of groups like rangers, pathfinders, snipers and airborne (etc) have khaki patches sewn on to the fronts of their BDU's to identify their specialty. The picture of the young man showed no such patches. And his corporal rank was pin-on. That would never fly in a Soldier's Photo. And yes, his mustache is out of regulation. Though I doubt that would ever get past a ranger's platoon leader much less his 1SG, it would certainly not be allowed in a Soldier's Photo.

Even assuming that the photo shown was taken after he got out of the military, I still have trouble with the sleeve rolling. I can explain away the lack of unit crest, desert BDU’s (issued only to the forces in Iraq) and patches by assuming he threw his uniforms and stuff away when he got out. But even in those circumstances, I wouldn't even think to roll my own sleeves in that way. The Army manner of sleeve-rolling looks much more impressive, is much more versatile and is, well, an integral part of military dress. Assuming he had thrown his old uniforms away, but then went through the trouble of purchasing a new uniform for a photo-op or for family memorabilia (and those ranger berets aren’t easy to come by)- well, it just doesn’t make sense in that context to then put the uniform on incorrectly.

I’m having trouble reconciling myself to the possibility that this interview could be posturing to serve the anti-war movement- and I don’t know whether to hope that I’m right or hope that I’m wrong. To me, the end never justifies the means on any side. We just need more information on this one.

that the photo in question was taken by THEM?

That's too low and too loose. I agree with you; even if he was deliberately disrespecting the uniform:

A) I think force of habit would make rolling sleeves in a non-standard way unlikely,
B) Woodland camouflague is suspicious
C) Old-style (non-digital) camouflague is pretty suspicious too. The Corps has had the digis since '02 and the Army went in, what, '04?

is not the picture in the video that I watched. His beret is "fine" and medals can't be seen as it's a head shot. Further he has some medals pinned to the outside of his picture frame and his moustache was shaven.

The beret is on in the same position as Tillmans was in his enlistment photo. This MIGHT be propaganda, but those who are debunking it apparently have not watched the video?

... It is clearly backward...

Not, over one eye vs. the other.

After spending time around them, I think they would rather have their balls flattened with a rubber mallet, (And we can only imagine how much that would hurt), than to be seen, much less have a photo taken improperly wearing their beret...

Just My opinion...

Look at these:

http://images.google.com/images?svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&safe...

and this:



And now look at this and tell me his beret is fine:



His uniform is not remotely correct.

It's a fake.

by Iraq Vets Against the War? But, having his patch over the right eye is not "backwards" which is what I was responding to. It may not be "army proper" but it's not a reason to dismiss every thing this man says.

However, times have changed and perhaps wearing it over the right eye is a sign of protest?



I'm not gullible for giving a guy who wears his beret "differently" the benefit of the doubt. I don't believe nor disbelieve him.

Why would a Ranger roll his sleeves like a Marine?

Seriously, little shit like that gets pounded into your head every day you're in the military.

in a pic below.

The army pic in the video does not look "legit" as in taken by the army, but he had a banner below it that said "Iraq Vets Against The War ..." and I wondered if they take photos or took it for him?

I'm not defending him as truthful or not, but I think there was truth to what he said about the experience in Iraq.

protesting veteran with a beret on is wearing it downwards to the right, the correct way. Still no evidence that wearing it downward to the left is a "sign of protest" as you have suggested (made up).

This guy: http://www.ivaw.net/index.php?id=180

And the third photo down on this link: http://www.ivaw.net/index.php?id=167

wear ones beret "wrong" regardless.



http://dakev.com/myblog/2003/05/Biography.html

Actually yes, the beret is over the wrong eye.

Upon arrival to my first duty station, I was issued a beret, along with a ton of other stuff. Up until that point I had always worn my soft cap. Nobody told me which eye it was supposed to go over, I just assumed, wrongly, it went over my right eye.

I wore it incorrectly for months until Master Sergeant Tyler caught it and corrected me.

I've done worse things.

Like saluting indoors. I was not told until recently that was a no-no. They just saluted back... so I didn't know I was wrong.

Also, in France the beret is worn downward over the left so a protest in this manner makes a bit of sense.



And, most importantly read this "proper wear of the beret" see specifically "COMMON MISTAKES" - the swiveled beret. Note the word common and the pictures that follow.

http://afsf.lackland.af.mil/Policy/Beret_wear.pdf

Flash not over left eye, swiveled to the left side of your head. The opposite is the Target Beret; swiveled to the right, a flash in the middle of your forehead gives sniper a great place to put cross hairs

I'm not ready to dismiss what he said because his beret was not on "right." I'm not vouching for him either, but I'm certainly not going to call him a liar because his hat was on funny.

his beret sloping downward to his left. Berets are ALWAYS worn sloping downwards towards their right.

If you can prove that wearing the beret downward to his left is CORRECT or even ACCEPTABLE, then maybe we'll believe you that "His beret is fine". Until then, you are dead wrong on that point.

I'm not going to argue that his uniform is correct or not as I have no knowledge, but I'm not dismissing everything he says based upon the uniform alone.

SIMPLY HOLD A SIGN UP TO A MIRROR TO SEE WHAT I MEAN. THAT PHENOMENON CAUSES THE VIDEO INVERSION ISSUES. Some cameras compensate for image inversion but fail when it's a picture of a picture as in the video.

Windows platform media players typically use a system known as DirectShow to decode video files. As part of this system special filters can be installed, in order to handle additional video formats or add effects during decoding, for example. Unfortunately some filters can have undesired effects, such as inverting the video or commandeering DivX decoding from the genuine DivX decoder.

Upside down or mirrored video is commonly caused by these filters:

* Bicubic resize filter
Filename: bicubic_resizer.ax
Installed as part of many codec packs, this filter is perhaps most responsible for inverted video.

* G400 filter
Filename: divxg400.ax
Also installed as part of many codec packs, this filter can also invert the video.

* XviD filter
Filename: xvid.ax
Again, installed as part of many codec packs, the XviD filter can decode DivX video as inverted.

more info at: http://forums.divx.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/441101651 ...

this guy's LACK of being an effective speaker makes it more believable because if it was a lie, they'd have hired a better speaker.

This is the great taboo, IMHO. Must be talked about. Where's the line between the 'Support the Troops' rhetoric and the fact that the GESTAPO were made up of REGULAR PEOPLE??? Deserves to be talked about, openly.

"What if they threw a war, and nobody came?"

This is a nightmare for all and a lot of people are not prepared for what happens when these soldiers finally come home. America is about to get a real good look in the mirror.

this false bravado...this John Wayne heroism bullshit.

It is time this country learned the truth about what exactly is going on over there...that our troops are being maimed and killed and are killing for a bunch of lies; lies that make a few people very, very rich.

Bush and his cronies are criminals pure and simple. They are using the men and women of our military to do the work they won't do themselves.

In Iraq, as in Vietnam.

Wat

The stupidest thing humans ever invented, this war business.

Imagine if the defense budget was around just $100B,,, we could not have even thought about invading Iraq.

But with $400B + it became inevitable that the war junkies would act.

"I want all troops to put down their weapons. Now and forever.

I want romanticization of the military to end.

I want American's belief that they need protection from the world to end."

That pretty much sums up my feelings.

Kill your TV!

First, cannot even access the video now, probably due to high demand. Second, there should be a transript anyway.

This is why so many are coming back with ptsd. What is the most difficult thing for a soldier to bear? Being shot at? No. (though that certainly causes high stress)
It is far more difficult to go against everything one is taught, a very basic instinct really, to not kill, maim, other humans.

It gets worse...

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Or maybe the trauma of war makes him do so?

This would have been picked up in the foreign media if it was happening.

So take this with a big grain of salt, people.

No wonder so many are coming back from Iraq with messed up minds. This is awful.

...if it's true...well.....let's not even think about that yet....verification is the first thing to address.

I respect the group. If he is an IVAW member then I think he must be real - he couldn't pull the wool over fellow vets' eyes, I would not think.

(I emailed Dahr Jamail Iraq Team)

http://www.dahrjamailiraq.com/weblog /


When the invasion began, Jamail, a fourth-generation Lebanese American who grew up in Houston, decided he could sit at home, depressed and angry, or he could take action. He bought a laptop computer, a digital camera, and a plane ticket.

In Iraq for eight months between November 2003 and February 2005, Jamail reported “collateral damage” far beyond what the military or embedded journalists acknowledged. He wrote of soldiers shooting people in prayer at a Baghdad mosque. He relayed accounts of civilians in Fallujah with extraordinary burns (later revealed to be caused by white phosphorus) and of men and women who bore white flags being shot in the Euphrates River as they tried to swim to safety. Jamail also watched those profiting from the war, reporting examples of blurred lines between the military and corporations operating in Iraq, as well as Bechtel’s failure to restore potable water after being paid hundreds of millions to do so.

Unrelated sources corroborated the stories Jamail heard. “So either it’s a city-wide, conspiratorial lie, or it’s the truth,” he says. Acknowledging his reliance on interpreters, Jamail says, “I trust them. They put their lives on the line to even be seen with me, in an effort to get the truth out.”

After starting with a homemade press pass and no outlet but e-mail, Jamail created a web site, dahrjamailiraq.com, and began writing for the Inter Press Service, The Asia Times, and The Nation, among others. He also reports for Democracy Now! and the BBC. At the culminating session of the World Tribunal on Iraq in June 2005, he documented U.S. violations of Fourth Geneva Convention provisions for health care in occupied countries.

http://www.americanswhotellthetruth.org/pgs/portraits/D...

the "Army Rangers" have (or did recently)...this guy is a blithering idiot.
He may be speaking truth but ... what a sorry-ass excuse for a spokesman.

Because he stammers he's an idiot? That's just an ignorant and idiotic statement.

Just sayin'

I assure you that recounting such an experience would have me struggling to maintain composure and clear thoughts...

and how that has changed his perception of War and the Military.

If you shut it of after 1 minute that says a whole lot.

on the one hand, I've heard of converted Austrian soldiers being forced to fight with the SS soldiers getting their battalions lost and doing other things to avoid their orders so as to not lose lives fighting, and this level of resistance without getting yourself in trouble represent ways soldiers can resist without causing personal court martial activity..

AND, how this man managed to kill 200 is a little sad to me when inside he did not feel good about it, but I can understand the culture of killing in the military and the ways they punish you for not participating.Kevin Benderman got 15 months in the brig for doing 10 long years for the military and 2 tours of duty in Iraq, and still got 15 months for being a conscientious objector.

I totally respect this man for his courage and coming forth now...

his studdering is a verbal condition likely FROM BIRTH and has nothing to do with his testimony which I find to be accurate and from his heart... studderers often studder more when they get emotional about something... I suppose killing people against your will would make one emotional in the recounting of what must horrendous mental images... I very much pity this man and yet, I'm proud of his courage now.....

THIS MAN IS AN AMERICAN HERO... and while I wish he had the foresight to 'forget to carry out' some orders like killing the kids and women, I also think his speaking up now jeopardizes his life and marks him for death by the psychos at the top.....

rough call, but to call him an idiot is not warranted.. his sentences were articulate and his story was genuine. This man is no idiot.. and you my friend, owe him an apology for having to endure an unfair war...

it only made me feel that EVERYONE INVOLVED IN THE WAR are victims... the iraqis are victims, the soldiers are victims, the american populace left with a 9 trillion dollar deficit are victims.. world governments depending on a strong US economy are victims.. this whole thing is a crock of shit and needs to stop immediately..


PEACE THE ONLY WAY!!! peace now... peace to my brother MacBeth.. peace man.. you are a courageous american hero despite your awful deeds.....

LOL

Name calling wow! karlschneider you actually shocked me with this one.

as horrid as it is.

....where he made it all up.

...might make me stutter and stammer.

We would do night raids, we would have them on their knees, if the man of the house did not answer we would shoot the youngest kid in the head.

P-L-E-A-S-E!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

... deserves another.

And I'm a night-owl, so I'm willing to do this all night long ...

Kickin' it

Welcome to DU!

Please, if you have not seen the video. Please do.

... and still in a kickin' mood!

... ooops! I guess I just inadvertently kicked again, didn't I?

Last thing anybody needs is another Micha Wright.

http://jimtreacher.com/ranger.htm

let's say he's off in the # he killed.

let's even say he killed no one

let's say, the worst this man had to endure was the hot sun, in one fucking hot desert like shit hole.

then , assuming all this,

a. The Iraq war is still total bullshit
b. Soldiers and Ex-Soldiers alike need to stand up and speak out against the war
c. Citizens need to his all the soldiers speaking up like this guy
d. he's still 10 X more patriotic than me for sacrificing his time doing what he was FORCED to do per his military agremeent and for this I give him points... more points than I get sitting behind my stupid computer kicking stuff..... (well, ok I" make political documentaries.. but the point is about scale of personal sacrifice made by soldiers)....

and let the citizens decide for themselves if it's true or false...

as for me, I trust Macbeth 10000% percent more than Fox news... and we put fox news in MegaMillions of US households everday.....

my worry for accuracy from this boy is less buoyed than my understanding what he risks to merely speak before the camera....

the sheer courage of speaking about anything that is not RA RA RA KILL DEM TERARISTS is worth hearing and worth hearing by the American people uncensored...

and a few simple fonecalls to buddies he worked with can corroborate down to the finest details this guy's story...
i'm sure that will be forthcoming...

kicking like crazy.....

Yes, that will help tremendously.

proper spelling, I believe..

woops, an accidental kick as well... my bad!

LIES AND EXAGGERATIONS?

Holy mindfuck, this malAdministration knows NOTHING but LIES AND EXAGGERATIONS, and you are trying to use that phrase when someone DARES SPEAK OUT?

Abu Graib, Gitmo, illegal CIA prisons abroad.

So why do you think this guy exaggerates?

is a very reliable source.

I've been following his reports since he put up his website. He wouldn't put this fellow's story out unless it was true. If you need verification go look at some of his photo galleries. There's plenty of verification there that we've committed atrocities.

Just sayin'... no one is perfect.

is a little more street wise at this point in his life. Dan was too in his day, but his day had passed decades earlier.

doesn't seem right.

What unit was he in? Did he ever apply for conscientious objector status? That doesn't even look like the proper way for a Ranger to wear a beret...but I'm not military.

I hope this story has been 100% vetted.

I've never heard of the organization 'Pepperspray Productions" before, so I have to have some degree of suspicion until proven otherwise.

I don't believe this guy, and I hope I'm not proven wrong. Some of his accusations are unbelieveable. Also, he sounds coached to me.

Pepperspray Productions is an independent video activist collective in Seattle. We bring you independent video from the front lines of the global battle against the corporate state. In addition to creating individual video pieces, we produce the activist video quarterly The Leader and the weekly public access TV show Indymedia Presents, currently showing on public access stations in the Seattle area, in St. Paul, Minnesota and Tuscon, Arizona. We also dub and distribute Indymedia Newsreal, a monthly compilation of short video pieces screened in IndyMedia Centers around the country and shown on Free Speech TV.

http://peppersp.server312.com /



Eyewitness in Iraq: Dahr Jamail, an Unembedded Report

A Pepperspray Production, 28 minutes

Dahr Jamail recognized that Americans were being misled about the US occupation of Iraq, so he went to Iraq to find the truth. After being unembedded in Iraq totaling over 8 months, he returned to the States to tell what he discovered. In this video Dahr Jamail speaks of the horrors of occupation, the use of illegal weapons by American forces, the rip-off of American taxpayers by Bechtel and other US corporations, the shabby and biased media coverage of the situation by US media, and of the resilient determination of the Iraqi people to be free from foreign occupation.

A portion of the price of this video goes to support Dahr in his ongoing efforts.

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their agenda, and get others to lie for them.

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mighty strong accusations.

We have a Sec. of Def. who sits in on torture sessions. I too have spoken to Kevin Benderman's wife and to him. He went to jail rather than go back to Iraq to follow the kind of orders he was given, such as shooting children for throwing rocks. I don't think anyone has contradicted him.

Here's what's happening after these soldiers come home ~ this is not the first such story I've read about some of them committing suicide and murder ~ this is a particularly brutal murder:

Soldier convicted in wife’s death, mutilation
Machine gunner wounded in Iraq war sentenced to life in prison

FORT LEWIS, Wash. - A soldier was convicted Saturday of murdering and mutilating his teenage wife, a Fort Lewis spokesman said.

An Army jury found Spc. Brandon Bare, 20, of Wilkesboro, N.C., guilty of premeditated murder and two counts of indecent acts for chopping his wife to death with a meat cleaver and desecrating her corpse.

After a five-day court martial, the jury deliberated about four hours Friday night before reaching the verdict shortly after midnight, said Fort Lewis spokesman Joseph Piek.

........

His defense lawyer said he was an emotionally and physically damaged combat veteran, angry over his wife’s infidelity and the pending breakup of their marriage, who killed in a moment of rage.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12895003 /

This soldier's story (in the video) sounds believable when you remember all the other stories, which in the beginning we found too horrible to believe. There was the slaughter at the wedding party near the Syrian border, eg.


There's the admission now, after trying to deney it, about the slaughter of 15 family members last fall, including small children ~ and another similar incident earlier this year. And these are only the ones we hear about.

I remember the words of Gen. Miller to the troops after he went to Abu Ghraib from Guantanamo Bay ~ 'treat the Iraqis like dogs' he said ~ and I'm glad it has not been forgotten. These are cruel, evil people. They delight in the suffering of others ~ Rumsfeld, Cheney, Bush ~ Ledeen who thinks the entire ME should be turned into a cauldron. Insane people have taken over this country. It happens occasionally in history. But it needs to end quickly and all of those responsible for this, have to be held accountable.

While most of this is kept from the American people, it is not a secret elsewhere ~ the image of this country is stained, maybe forever ~ to the rest of the world, looking on in horror, we are no different to any other cruel, evil colonial empire, slaughtering, torturing and pillaging in foreign nations. Bush is fooling no one with his ridiculous rhetoric about freedom and democracy. In fact those words are becoming hateful. I know I can't stand to hear them anymore, because I know what they mean ~ the citizens of Iran know their deadly meaning and will resist even more than the Iraqis any invasion by this cabal.

Their policies create a radical reality, so people who speak out about it inevitably say radical things.

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It's called WAR.

During a war, horrible and unbelievable things happen.

The people 'winning' the war do a pretty good job hiding those things until later.

Well, it's getting pretty late already in this war.

In fact, a huge story just came out in the last few days about a massacre in Haditha. Committed by US soldiers against innocent civilians. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/20...

You think that was an isolated event? You think Abu Ghraib was just a few bad apples?

Well you need to think again.

Fallujah being the largest with close to a thousand people killed. And they were not all "insurgents". Houses are routinely targeted by US air strikes in Ramadi. The full accounting of just how many have been slaughtered may never be known.

I'll try to see what I can find out tomorrow.

I just watched it, and I believe him. His mannorisms, his stutter is more pronounced when he talks about the things he did, the dis-connected thoughts... he's telling the truth.

too. I guess in your view American soldiers can do no wrong? Give me a break.

The Iraq "WAR" is a TOTAL LIE from start to finish. I believe anyone with a set big enough to CONFESS to War Crimes that are MOST CERTAINLY going on there.

One more thing-Look at that guys eyes-there's ALL the proof anyone needs, right there.