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"By my hand alone almost 200 were taken out, that's just a rough estimate"

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"By my hand alone almost 200 were taken out, that's just a rough estimate"
Army Ranger Jessie Macbeth speaks about War Crimes he and other Rangers committed in Iraq with the encouragement and blessing
of their superiors.

http://www.peacefilms.org /



Article here

http://dahrjamailiraq.com/weblog/archives/informational...

Thanks to DUer Barrett808 for this original thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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   MacBeth stutters through the whole video --  IndyOp   May-21-06 10:14 PM   #1 
   So much for all that 'support the troops' bullshit. eom  1620rock   May-21-06 10:21 PM   #2 
   He's got the courage to speak out. To implicate himself in War Crimes  LibertyorDeath   May-21-06 10:28 PM   #5 
   I don't support the troop's actions, but I do wish them peace and health.  IndyOp   May-21-06 10:31 PM   #6 
      Thanks for sharing this IndyOp  LibertyorDeath   May-21-06 10:53 PM   #11 
      IT'S A FAKE!!!!!!  grytpype   May-22-06 08:03 PM   #223 
         His beret is NOT on backwards.  gully   May-22-06 08:34 PM   #226 
            From the "Peacefilms" guestbook  grytpype   May-22-06 08:39 PM   #227 
               Another comment from a real soldier  grytpype   May-22-06 08:42 PM   #228 
               Under the photo is "Iraq Veterans Against The War" I'm thinking  gully   May-22-06 08:51 PM   #231 
               Marines don't roll sleeves like that either  dmesg   May-22-06 10:01 PM   #251 
               I'm not sure what picture this angry person is debunking, but it  gully   May-22-06 08:49 PM   #230 
                  I have never seen a beret in the Army over the left ear...  misternormal   May-22-06 09:01 PM   #236 
                  "backward" I was thinking backward as in backward baseball hat.  gully   May-22-06 09:37 PM   #248 
                     I can not speak for a ranger... but...  misternormal   May-22-06 09:46 PM   #249 
                  No, his beret is not fine.  grytpype   May-22-06 09:07 PM   #237 
                  As I said, I believe the picture on the wall may have been taken  gully   May-22-06 09:36 PM   #247 
                     Still doesn't explain the sleeves  dmesg   May-22-06 10:04 PM   #254 
                     Not sure if he rolled them or if they are the new issue uniforms I posted  gully   May-22-06 10:09 PM   #255 
                     gully, go to ivaw.net and look at their photos...the only photo of a  file83   May-22-06 10:12 PM   #257 
                        I admit to wild speculation. However I understand it's not uncommon to  gully   May-22-06 10:30 PM   #258 
                  gully, show us one picture, just one picture of another Army Ranger with  file83   May-22-06 10:04 PM   #252 
                     I may be. When I said "fine" I was saying it's not "backward."  gully   May-22-06 10:12 PM   #256 
                        I'll argue that the image is reversed in technical terms  Jeffersons Ghost   May-23-06 11:52 AM   #276 
      AMEN!  StellaBlue   May-22-06 12:32 AM   #22 
      I want what you want, IndyOp -  Nostradammit   May-22-06 03:12 AM   #67 
      IndyOp, that is a great post. I agree with you 100%. I am sick of  driver8   May-22-06 03:23 AM   #68 
      Winning Hearts & Minds  watrwefitinfor   May-22-06 06:39 AM   #75 
      Joining in the chorus in praise of IndyOp /nt  al bupp   May-22-06 09:33 AM   #88 
      A nightmare, indeed  BeFree   May-22-06 10:12 AM   #96 
      Bravo.  motocicleta   May-22-06 11:42 AM   #110 
      Amen  Pacifist Patriot   May-22-06 03:37 PM   #181 
   Indy, bless you for the transcript,  Tom Joad   May-21-06 10:37 PM   #8 
   The rest of what I typed from what MacBeth said is here:  IndyOp   May-21-06 10:42 PM   #9 
   Perhaps he's a stutterer?  maveric   May-21-06 11:38 PM   #17 
   I don't recall any reports like this in the foreign media.  grytpype   May-22-06 08:51 AM   #78 
   Makes me sick that this adm is behind this cruelty.  jaxx   May-21-06 10:25 PM   #3 
   This needs to be verified and then verified again....  Ragazz68   May-21-06 10:26 PM   #4 
   He is presented as a member of Iraq Veterans Against the War -  IndyOp   May-21-06 10:33 PM   #7 
   Hopefully Dahr Jamail can  LibertyorDeath   May-21-06 10:43 PM   #10 
      kick for the truth  Ragazz68   May-22-06 03:13 PM   #158 
         and a kick for spite  Jeffersons Ghost   May-24-06 09:52 PM   #309 
   I watched about 1 minute of this and have to wonder about the standards  karlrschneider   May-21-06 10:58 PM   #12 
   Because he has a stammer?  EnfantTerrible   May-21-06 11:05 PM   #13 
   Chimpy stammers and he's an idiot.  kittenwithmittens   May-22-06 11:23 AM   #108 
   Ever been in a combat zone?  Earth_First   May-21-06 11:36 PM   #16 
   He's not a spokesman for anything except his own experiences in Iraq  LibertyorDeath   May-22-06 12:33 AM   #23 
   rough call  peacetheonlyway   May-22-06 12:42 AM   #28 
   As though Army Rangers would officially speak out on such matters.  rman   May-22-06 08:55 AM   #79 
   "sorry-ass"  hiley   May-22-06 09:08 AM   #84 
   People sometimes stutter with PTSD.  Lars39   May-22-06 09:26 AM   #86 
   He's not a spokeman for the army. He's telling us what HE went through.  in_cog_ni_to   May-22-06 12:04 PM   #112 
   I'm sure it was horrible...in his mind....  theboss   May-23-06 12:04 PM   #282 
   Oh, I don't know...being order to murder the youngest child in a family  KansDem   May-22-06 12:59 PM   #122 
      I Hope I'd Kill Myself First  Tace   May-22-06 04:42 PM   #203 
   Please keep this kicked!  NanceGreggs   May-21-06 11:09 PM   #14 
   kicking for the Truth and the end of War. Now.  northamericancitizen   May-21-06 11:21 PM   #15 
   One good kick ...  NanceGreggs   May-21-06 11:44 PM   #18 
   KICK!  mortlefaucheur   May-21-06 11:53 PM   #19 
      Like the screen name mortlefaucheur LOL  LibertyorDeath   May-22-06 12:41 AM   #26 
   Cheers Nance!  LibertyorDeath   May-22-06 12:30 AM   #21 
      kick this baby higher...  peacetheonlyway   May-22-06 12:51 AM   #32 
   Kick  fun n serious   May-22-06 12:07 AM   #20 
   12:37 a.m. my time ...  NanceGreggs   May-22-06 12:38 AM   #24 
   You're doing a good job Nance. I applaud your determination. eom  northamericancitizen   May-22-06 12:41 AM   #27 
   Just felt I had to reply to your ...  NanceGreggs   May-22-06 12:54 AM   #34 
   You like kicking horseshit? n/t  Clarkie1   May-22-06 01:06 AM   #40 
   Someone get this on YOUTUBE. Post a link. And we'll view/rate it up.  Hatalles   May-22-06 12:38 AM   #25 
   kick again!  peacetheonlyway   May-22-06 12:44 AM   #29 
      I don't believe this guy. I'd verify before you kick. n/t  Clarkie1   May-22-06 12:51 AM   #31 
         Verify this guy  davepc   May-22-06 12:57 AM   #36 
         I'll kick till my heart's content  peacetheonlyway   May-22-06 01:00 AM   #38 
         So you want soldeirs to "speak up" by lies and exagerrations.  Clarkie1   May-22-06 01:07 AM   #41 
            exaggerations  peacetheonlyway   May-22-06 01:28 AM   #47 
            "Lies and Exaggerations?"  The Stranger   May-22-06 09:36 AM   #89 
            Troops are ordered to do worse than this - remember the tortures?  rman   May-22-06 12:30 PM   #120 
         The reporter Dahr Jamail  DoYouEverWonder   May-22-06 06:52 AM   #76 
         Dan Rather was reliable too. But even he got tricked into a set up.  file83   May-22-06 03:24 PM   #167 
            It think Dahr  DoYouEverWonder   May-22-06 04:20 PM   #202 
         I agree. Trust, but verify, verify, verify. Something about him  Common Sense Party   May-22-06 04:49 PM   #205 
   Do we have any corroboration that this is authentic? I have some doubts.  Clarkie1   May-22-06 12:48 AM   #30 
   Pepperspray Productions  LibertyorDeath   May-22-06 01:17 AM   #42 
   As I thought, Radical ideologues with no credibility who will lie to suit  Clarkie1   May-22-06 01:21 AM   #43 
   Deleted message  Name removed   May-22-06 01:27 AM   #46 
   where did you get your info...?  QuestionAll   May-22-06 04:02 AM   #70 
   Have you seen the torture pictures?  Catrina   May-22-06 05:49 AM   #73 
   The Radical Ideologues are in the WH, in case you haven't noticed.  rman   May-22-06 08:59 AM   #82 
   The Radical ideologues are on the left and right, lies all. n/t  Clarkie1   May-22-06 07:33 PM   #216 
   Deleted message  Name removed   May-22-06 09:39 AM   #90 
   There is thing that has happened throughout history  meganmonkey   May-22-06 01:50 PM   #128 
   there have been similar massacres since the beginning of the occupation  leftchick   May-22-06 03:51 PM   #188 
   Something is closed, but I'm not sure it's this case.  High Plains   May-22-06 02:31 PM   #142 
   I live in Seattle  mirandapriestly   May-22-06 01:29 AM   #48 
   You "have some doubts" ? no you don't, you called it bullshit  Viva_La_Revolution   May-22-06 02:40 AM   #62 
   Yeah they said that bout John Kerry when he tried to talk about War Crimes  TheGoldenRule   May-22-06 12:57 PM   #121 
   kicking in utter disgust at the crimes committed by the U.S. military....  mike_c   May-22-06 12:53 AM   #33 
   This is utter bullshit. I just listened to the whole thing.  Clarkie1   May-22-06 12:56 AM   #35 
      Dahr Jamail has more credibility than most American journalists...  mike_c   May-22-06 12:59 AM   #37 
      Like Truthout's credibility?  Clarkie1   May-22-06 01:03 AM   #39 
      You seem to know next to nothing....... about Dahr Jamail  LibertyorDeath   May-22-06 01:25 AM   #45 
      Keep arguing your point, Clarkie1!  NanceGreggs   May-22-06 01:29 AM   #49 
      Paid by whom? How can you be so sure?nt  mirandapriestly   May-22-06 01:30 AM   #50 
      right-- this from a guy with a general's pic in his sig...  mike_c   May-22-06 01:41 AM   #54 
      Well, someone's in deep denial, aren't they? (nt)  mr blur   May-22-06 06:14 AM   #74 
      Dahr Jamail & Truthout no comparison, Dahr has been in Iraq  hiley   May-22-06 08:55 AM   #80 
      If you don't feel at home on DU, you're free to leave.  rman   May-22-06 09:00 AM   #83 
      Funny you bring up "little fantasy worlds" nt  wtmusic   May-22-06 10:05 AM   #94 
      "I wonder how much the guy was paid to say that stuff." I wonder...  Junkdrawer   May-22-06 10:49 AM   #103 
      I'm wondering  EnfantTerrible   May-22-06 11:23 AM   #107 
      Usual suspects...  KCabotDullesMarxIII   May-22-06 03:33 PM   #176 
         Have to say I think The Usual Suspects are double bluffing.  KCabotDullesMarxIII   May-22-06 03:55 PM   #192 
      "He Disgusts Me".  novalib   May-22-06 11:23 AM   #109 
      And you determined that he is speaking the truth how? n/t  Clarkie1   May-22-06 07:30 PM   #215 
      Haditha  Ms. Clio   May-22-06 01:36 PM   #126 
      The Haditha video evidence  hiley   May-22-06 01:55 PM   #131 
         thanks for the additional info.  Ms. Clio   May-22-06 02:09 PM   #136 
            only the seriously  hiley   May-22-06 02:28 PM   #139 
      Good lord  meganmonkey   May-22-06 02:31 PM   #141 
      I think Dahr Jamail might have been tricked like Dan Rather got tricked...  file83   May-22-06 03:09 PM   #155 
         As I understand it, Dan Rather is one of the nation's heroes.  KCabotDullesMarxIII   May-22-06 03:35 PM   #178 
         Except Rather didn't get tricked.  dailykoff   May-22-06 03:35 PM   #179 
            Yeah, but you know what I mean.  file83   May-22-06 04:01 PM   #195 
      Deleted message  Name removed   May-22-06 01:22 AM   #44 
         Pray for America  bigluckyfeet   May-22-06 02:21 PM   #137 
   In case anyone doubts that Operation Iraqi Freedom  dailykoff   May-22-06 01:30 AM   #51 
   good point, where's my European asskicking "Tough Love"  peacetheonlyway   May-22-06 01:40 AM   #53 
   Deleted message  Name removed   May-22-06 01:37 AM   #52 
   Thanks peacetheonlyway  LibertyorDeath   May-22-06 01:41 AM   #55 
   I was at the kangaroo Court Joke of a Trial  peacetheonlyway   May-22-06 01:45 AM   #56 
   Well said!  NanceGreggs   May-22-06 01:50 AM   #57 
      hey nance... that donkey of yours  peacetheonlyway   May-22-06 01:54 AM   #58 
         HEY!!!!!  NanceGreggs   May-22-06 02:14 AM   #61 
            the only thing better  peacetheonlyway   May-22-06 10:52 AM   #104 
   Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   May-22-06 01:58 AM   #59 
   Thanks to wtmusic for getting it on YouTube  LibertyorDeath   May-22-06 02:13 AM   #60 
   There's a freep dropping nasty comments at the vid page. nt  Hatalles   May-22-06 02:43 AM   #63 
   Is he emailing his comments from Iraq?  NanceGreggs   May-22-06 02:49 AM   #64 
      Note to YouTube visitors/members...  Hatalles   May-22-06 02:52 AM   #65 
         The Part 3 video clip has made YouTube's "Most Discussed List" for the day  Hatalles   May-22-06 05:40 AM   #72 
   The videos have all been deleted from YouTube  DTinAZ   May-23-06 09:51 AM   #265 
   One more Kick. Peace Now....  northamericancitizen   May-22-06 02:57 AM   #66 
   Imagine! n/t  laylah   May-22-06 03:51 AM   #69 
   kick  tavalon   May-22-06 04:55 AM   #71 
   Needs a  vickiss   May-22-06 07:03 AM   #77 
   kick for peace  rman   May-22-06 08:56 AM   #81 
   yes  hiley   May-22-06 09:10 AM   #85 
   I'd like to know when he was there - I can't  OKNancy   May-22-06 09:27 AM   #87 
   The video is very compelling.  Heidi   May-22-06 09:50 AM   #91 
   Thanks, I watched the first part. video say he was wounded  OKNancy   May-22-06 09:54 AM   #92 
   Try video on YouTube  wtmusic   May-22-06 09:54 AM   #93 
      Someone is Hushing him  fun n serious   May-22-06 10:09 AM   #95 
         It's possible the server was overwhelmed. nt  wtmusic   May-22-06 10:18 AM   #97 
   The video link has been disabled. NSA is at it again. Anyone have a copy  in_cog_ni_to   May-22-06 10:20 AM   #98 
   Here it is in three parts:  Heidi   May-22-06 10:22 AM   #100 
   Thank you, Heidi.  in_cog_ni_to   May-22-06 12:05 PM   #113 
      Prego!  Heidi   May-22-06 12:11 PM   #114 
   See post #92 n/t  Junkdrawer   May-22-06 10:29 AM   #101 
   Looks like they exceeded their account limits.  Xithras   May-22-06 01:54 PM   #130 
   (gasp) I saw this last night and  peacebuzzard   May-22-06 10:21 AM   #99 
   YouTube video (and kick)  wtmusic   May-22-06 10:42 AM   #102 
   His name seems to be "Jesse" -- not "Jessie"?  DTinAZ   May-22-06 11:17 AM   #105 
   Spoke with people from Pepperspray Productions  DTinAZ   May-22-06 04:04 PM   #198 
   He is going to be one of the leaders of the revolution!  deaniac21   May-22-06 11:17 AM   #106 
   I've written to the website owners...  DTinAZ   May-22-06 11:54 AM   #111 
   Other questions.  Heidi   May-22-06 12:23 PM   #116 
   At this stage some verification of claims would certainly help. nt  wtmusic   May-22-06 12:25 PM   #118 
   Explanation from the owner of Peacefilms.org  DTinAZ   May-23-06 10:07 AM   #267 
      If he is not a ranger, but his story is valid?  theboss   May-23-06 10:33 AM   #269 
         well, the story still has some truthiness!  davepc   May-23-06 11:40 AM   #274 
   Hmm. This is a good test to see which DUers are gullible and  brentspeak   May-22-06 12:19 PM   #115 
   You're right  wtmusic   May-22-06 12:23 PM   #117 
   Well, I sincerely hope that this is a bogus story... n/t  Peter Frank   May-22-06 04:53 PM   #206 
   Peacefilms Site Disabled  retrospective66   May-22-06 12:28 PM   #119 
   It appears he was not a Ranger.  Scoody Boo   May-22-06 01:10 PM   #123 
   Links?  Heidi   May-22-06 01:24 PM   #125 
   I'm not an expert, but this is what some people are saying about his beret  file83   May-22-06 02:30 PM   #140 
   yes, this is more persuasive  Ms. Clio   May-22-06 02:52 PM   #147 
   Looks like he's wearing a new beret with the lining still in it.  D__S   May-22-06 02:53 PM   #148 
      I also noticed the fold on Macbeth's beret is wrong...  file83   May-22-06 03:02 PM   #152 
   try here.  davepc   May-22-06 03:23 PM   #164 
   His story is a deft mix of truth and fiction.  Xithras   May-22-06 01:43 PM   #127 
   Haditha  Ms. Clio   May-22-06 01:57 PM   #133 
   You have no proof that he's lying  wtmusic   May-22-06 02:04 PM   #135 
      That he wears fake flash...  Scoody Boo   May-22-06 02:32 PM   #143 
      We'll see  wtmusic   May-22-06 02:39 PM   #144 
      Did you notice too that his beret is on the WRONG way?  file83   May-22-06 02:40 PM   #145 
         Earlier this morning Jessie MacBeth...  Scoody Boo   May-22-06 03:01 PM   #151 
            Have the freepers picked up on this?  file83   May-22-06 03:03 PM   #153 
            Freepers, Veterans' Sites...  Scoody Boo   May-22-06 03:26 PM   #168 
            Way too late.  kittenwithmittens   May-22-06 03:28 PM   #170 
            He said he got a bronze star too  OKNancy   May-22-06 03:05 PM   #154 
            I'm not sure what that signifies, lot's of people get bronze stars...  file83   May-22-06 03:20 PM   #160 
               I have no idea. My thoughts are that  OKNancy   May-22-06 03:40 PM   #184 
            Screenshot  wtmusic   May-22-06 03:15 PM   #159 
            And now that page has been removed? Weird....I wonder why.  file83   May-22-06 03:22 PM   #163 
            Yep.  wtmusic   May-22-06 03:23 PM   #165 
               so anybody could have posted all that info & called himself Jesse Macbeth?  Ms. Clio   May-22-06 03:32 PM   #174 
                  Exactly. Hmmmm.  wtmusic   May-22-06 03:37 PM   #182 
                  If the profile was put up...  Scoody Boo   May-22-06 03:52 PM   #189 
                     I just set up a profile for Fred Garvin (Dan Akroyd)...  file83   May-22-06 03:59 PM   #193 
                  The Military.com account/membership was activated in 2005.  D__S   May-22-06 04:01 PM   #194 
                     That comment struck me as odd too  wtmusic   May-22-06 04:05 PM   #199 
                     the protest march pic could have been posted anytime, though  Ms. Clio   May-22-06 04:14 PM   #201 
            I could Kiss YA !!  LibertyorDeath   May-22-06 03:24 PM   #166 
            You got it  wtmusic   May-22-06 03:27 PM   #169 
            great work!  Ms. Clio   May-22-06 03:29 PM   #171 
            That is what I was talking about...  Scoody Boo   May-22-06 03:32 PM   #175 
               Are you 110% on that?....Just asking  LibertyorDeath   May-22-06 03:53 PM   #190 
                  Yes. 100% Certain.  Scoody Boo   May-22-06 04:09 PM   #200 
                     Clarification on the CAB and Ranger/Infantry  reformed_military   May-23-06 10:37 AM   #270 
                        the awards and badges have been removed...  DTinAZ   May-23-06 10:41 AM   #271 
            The profile is NOT gone...  DTinAZ   May-22-06 04:43 PM   #204 
            The Military.com profile has been redacted  DTinAZ   May-23-06 09:46 AM   #264 
      Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.  Xithras   May-22-06 05:01 PM   #207 
   He never claims to have been in Fallujah. nt  wtmusic   May-22-06 01:59 PM   #134 
      Yes he did  OKNancy   May-22-06 02:58 PM   #149 
         OK  wtmusic   May-22-06 03:22 PM   #162 
   dehumanizing our troops  Alameda   May-22-06 01:17 PM   #124 
   The US seeded Death Squads in Iraq - wo why not believe his story?  bushmeat   May-22-06 01:54 PM   #129 
   It's not the story - it's the man attached to the story. You see...  file83   May-22-06 03:30 PM   #173 
      Good advice  LibertyorDeath   May-22-06 03:49 PM   #186 
      I could not agree more. Well said...  Peter Frank   May-23-06 09:30 AM   #262 
   Deleted message  Name removed   May-22-06 01:55 PM   #132 
   Iraq Veterans Against the War think he's legit , so do I  LibertyorDeath   May-22-06 02:27 PM   #138 
   Thanks  meganmonkey   May-22-06 02:46 PM   #146 
   I'm currently emailing IVAW to try & establish beyond Any Doubt  LibertyorDeath   May-22-06 02:59 PM   #150 
      That's a great idea  meganmonkey   May-22-06 03:09 PM   #156 
      Hope they answer soon  DTinAZ   May-22-06 03:11 PM   #157 
         I just sent the email. Will post the response soon hopefully  LibertyorDeath   May-22-06 03:20 PM   #161 
   If this guy in question was marching with IVAR, it still doesn't mean  brentspeak   May-22-06 03:51 PM   #187 
   That's why I emailed them for confirmation  LibertyorDeath   May-22-06 03:55 PM   #191 
   You still think he's "legit", now?  brentspeak   May-22-06 08:22 PM   #225 
   IVAW confirms his resignation from their organization  DTinAZ   May-23-06 12:48 PM   #286 
   "Site Temporarily Disabled" Someone really don't like what he says.  reprobate   May-22-06 03:30 PM   #172 
   That may be because the owners have reason to believe they were tricked...  file83   May-22-06 03:34 PM   #177 
      More likely a bandwidth issue  wtmusic   May-22-06 03:36 PM   #180 
         Yes bandwith issue this is just a small sample of Groups that have a link  LibertyorDeath   May-22-06 03:47 PM   #185 
         Yes, and that too. :-)  file83   May-22-06 04:03 PM   #197 
   Rather didn't get tricked, he got smeared.  dailykoff   May-22-06 03:39 PM   #183 
   Deleted message  Name removed   May-22-06 04:03 PM   #196 
   wow...insane  Blue_Tires   May-22-06 06:46 PM   #208 
   Vid won't play in Firefox.... any suggestions? Anyone else havin  4MoronicYears   May-22-06 07:03 PM   #209 
   You've gotta download something from YouTube....it works on my  file83   May-22-06 10:37 PM   #259 
   This has been debunked as a fake, fyi.  rpgamerd00d   May-22-06 07:06 PM   #210 
   where? nt  wtmusic   May-22-06 07:10 PM   #211 
      debunked here:  rpgamerd00d   May-22-06 07:11 PM   #213 
         Hard wading through that- here is one that states  OKNancy   May-22-06 07:52 PM   #218 
         Nice info, good research. He should be ashamed for lying.  rpgamerd00d   May-22-06 07:56 PM   #221 
         Your 'blackfive' debunking site mentions only his outfit --  IndyOp   May-22-06 07:52 PM   #219 
            Dahr Jamail is being "Dan Rathered"  Julius Civitatus   May-22-06 07:55 PM   #220 
            COINTELPRO n/t  Ms. Clio   May-22-06 08:08 PM   #224 
            more than that - his dates are wrong  OKNancy   May-22-06 07:57 PM   #222 
            Perhaps he got tipped off and so pulled the video from peacefilm.org...  IndyOp   May-22-06 08:54 PM   #233 
            Uhhh, the guy has credibility problems...  D__S   May-22-06 08:45 PM   #229 
               I logged off, thought about the picture, and now am feeling  IndyOp   May-22-06 08:52 PM   #232 
                  At first I thought the guy might have actually served...  D__S   May-22-06 09:17 PM   #239 
                  I am beginning he is a vet at all.  Scoody Boo   May-22-06 09:52 PM   #250 
                  It would be us and IVAW who've been Rathered,  rman   May-23-06 05:02 AM   #261 
   An old friend had a brother in Iraq; this is the tip of the ice berg  originalpckelly   May-22-06 07:10 PM   #212 
   A friend's husband is in Iraq and claims the Iraqi people,  vickiss   May-22-06 08:56 PM   #235 
   Does anyone here have access to USA Army personnel register  LibertyorDeath   May-22-06 07:21 PM   #214 
   There is no...  Scoody Boo   May-22-06 10:04 PM   #253 
   Someone wants to "Dan Rather" possible war crimes -- careful  Julius Civitatus   May-22-06 07:41 PM   #217 
   Someone verify this guy served. Shouldn't be to hard for some.  Rex   May-22-06 08:55 PM   #234 
   maybe the picture is reversed, it happens  allalone   May-22-06 09:14 PM   #238 
   In a video?  D__S   May-22-06 09:20 PM   #241 
   it's not revered  pocket   May-22-06 09:22 PM   #242 
   If this was so...  Scoody Boo   May-22-06 09:22 PM   #243 
   kick!  pocket   May-22-06 09:19 PM   #240 
   Beret controversy solved...  misternormal   May-22-06 09:28 PM   #244 
   Plus his beret obviously...  Scoody Boo   May-22-06 09:32 PM   #245 
      I was never a ranger, and never wore a beret, but...  misternormal   May-22-06 09:34 PM   #246 
         This guy may not be that proud any more,  rman   May-23-06 04:53 AM   #260 
            Here it is  fun n serious   May-23-06 09:45 AM   #263 
   Aren't we tired of falling for shit yet?  theboss   May-23-06 09:58 AM   #266 
   More information on this obvious fake  slackmaster   May-23-06 10:15 AM   #268 
   Well, that wingnut is already blaming the left for Jesse McBeth  Julius Civitatus   May-23-06 11:36 AM   #273 
      I agree with you - It has all the trappings of, well, a trap  slackmaster   May-23-06 12:02 PM   #281 
   And he has a rap sheet to boot: credit card fraud  davepc   May-23-06 10:50 AM   #272 
   He lives in Tacoma, Washington. That makes no sense. n/t  progressivebydesign   May-23-06 11:57 AM   #277 
      He's documented as being in Arizona  davepc   May-23-06 12:01 PM   #280 
         When I saw that Coffee Plantantion thing... I was suspicious.  progressivebydesign   May-23-06 12:08 PM   #283 
   IT IS VERY STUPID TO ANALYZE THIS IMAGE. IT'S A PICTURE OF A PHOTO  Jeffersons Ghost   May-23-06 11:44 AM   #275 
   Then how do you explain all of the discrepancies that have nothing  Ron Mexico   May-23-06 12:01 PM   #279 
      and perhaps ron, you've answered your own questions  Jeffersons Ghost   May-23-06 12:28 PM   #285 
   Macbeth works with IVAW in Tacoma, Washington.  progressivebydesign   May-23-06 12:01 PM   #278 
   it's been reported...  DTinAZ   May-23-06 12:24 PM   #284 
      'reported" by who or what? DT of AZ?  Jeffersons Ghost   May-23-06 01:23 PM   #287 
         by other DUers  DTinAZ   May-23-06 02:27 PM   #288 
            LIES, PROPAGANDA OR WHATEVER they're arresting him for using free speech!  Jeffersons Ghost   May-23-06 02:33 PM   #290 
               uh, no...  DTinAZ   May-23-06 02:39 PM   #291 
                  and appearance is everything in a "war of ideas," isn't it?  Jeffersons Ghost   May-23-06 03:02 PM   #293 
                     *plonk*  DTinAZ   May-23-06 03:18 PM   #295 
   the video will be removed from peacefilms.org "ASAP"  DTinAZ   May-23-06 02:28 PM   #289 
   what a blitzkrieg hush job!  Jeffersons Ghost   May-23-06 02:54 PM   #292 
   Works every time. (n/t)  dailykoff   May-23-06 03:16 PM   #294 
      so how much left wing propaganda can you kill in a week dailykoff?  Jeffersons Ghost   May-23-06 06:40 PM   #297 
         If only RW propaganda got this kind of scrutiny  dailykoff   May-23-06 11:57 PM   #299 
         Right. We should just accept whatever lies support our world view.  tabasco   May-24-06 12:23 AM   #301 
            Unfortunately he isn't lying  dailykoff   May-24-06 12:35 AM   #303 
               exactly! Its the truthiness of what he says!  davepc   May-24-06 01:04 AM   #304 
               You are ABSOLUTELY correct. His story is fake but it is also  deaniac21   May-24-06 10:57 AM   #306 
               No, it's not a fashion show.  Bouncy Ball   May-24-06 08:53 PM   #308 
         So you think it is "left wing propaganda" to lie about war crimes.  tabasco   May-24-06 12:26 AM   #302 
   Thanks!  wicket   May-23-06 05:59 PM   #296 
   IVAW Statement on MacBeth Video  LibertyorDeath   May-23-06 11:17 PM   #298 
   Fascinating thread.  Bouncy Ball   May-24-06 12:04 AM   #300 
   Thank you Bouncy wise words  LibertyorDeath   May-24-06 01:26 AM   #305 
   Now What?  Iblis   May-24-06 01:43 PM   #307 
   Mr. MacBeth has a forged DD-214.  BikeWriter   May-27-06 01:20 PM   #310 
   Man who bragged of murdering Iraqis debunked by Army  BikeWriter   May-27-06 01:52 PM   #311 
   54 VOTES FOR A FUCKING LIE! That fucking sucks!  BikeWriter   May-27-06 02:18 PM   #312 
   Locking  ModeratorDU Moderator   May-27-06 06:01 PM   #313 
 
IndyOp (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun May-21-06 10:14 PM
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1. MacBeth stutters through the whole video --
Edited on Sun May-21-06 10:42 PM by IndyOp
Below is a rough paraphrase of what he said - I just typed fast while he talked. I missed a lot and probably typed some things wrong. Most of what I have here, MacBeth said...

I got sh-sh-shipped off to Oson. Once I got there (Baghdad) the whole aspect of the country changed. Our job over there is to strike fear in the heart of Iraqis. Do whatever it takes to make them fear you. T-t-t-o be brutal. We have our own purpose. We aren't there for them. The Geneva Convention ain't nothing but crap. I thought we were going over the liberate the people. Operation Iraqi Freedom - it was more like Operation Iraqi Slaughter. Most of them were families hiding down there but we were told Saddam's forces were down there, a lot of them were dead, but a lot of them weren't dead. Smell of burnt flesh, people crying. They thought we were there for them. Seeing people lying around and rotting. S-s-s-some of them that weren't wounded very bad, we had to kill them. After witnessing that it changed me. I feel like I lost a lot of myself. W-w-we would go in, there would be an average of 5-6 people that were hurt just a little bit, they avoided the main blast because they hid behind something, a lot of time they knew there weren't insurgents in there, I think they said that to make it look like we were doing the right thing. The insurgents did a lot of jacked-up stuff to the American soldiers. People have a right to fight for their families. I don't blame them. I would do the same thing. By not speaking out I feel like I am betraying all my boys that died. We would do night raids, we would have them on their knees, if the man of the house did not answer we would shoot the youngest kid in the head. An average joe, trying to support his family. We would start killing off his family until he told us something. I didn't feel anything. I just wanted to do my job. I had to make myself hate them in order to do my job. I had to make myself not think of them as people, think of them as a target, so I could complete my job. I didn't keep counted, b-b-b-y my hand alone there were probably over 200 people taken out - that is a rough estimate.

On edit: The rest of the really, really rough 'transcript' is here:
<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... >
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1620rock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun May-21-06 10:21 PM
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2. So much for all that 'support the troops' bullshit. eom
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LibertyorDeath (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun May-21-06 10:28 PM
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5. He's got the courage to speak out. To implicate himself in War Crimes
I can support this Ranger and any others that have the courage of their convictions to speak out about the atrocities they were encouraged or ordered to commit by superior officers.

At the same time I am completely revolted by what he and others did
to innocent Iraqi civilians.

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IndyOp (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun May-21-06 10:31 PM
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6. I don't support the troop's actions, but I do wish them peace and health.
Edited on Sun May-21-06 10:39 PM by IndyOp
I want all troops to put down their weapons. Now and forever.

I want romanticization of the military to end.

I want American's belief that they need protection from the world to end.

I want an end to all of the media and computer game bullshit that portrays killing as the highest moral action one can take in this world: At the end of the show the good guys kill the bad guys. At the end of the show the good guys kill. Good guys kill. Good guys kill.

I want an end to the policies that give our lower socioeconomic young adults piss poor options and allow the military to build lavish "Career Centers" that bring 'em in in droves.

I want an end to an American Public that is willing to cheer for soldiers going to war like they cheer for a football team.

I want an end to politicians who cannot tell the truth about war - it is all about which rich fat white bastard gets the $$$.

Many of the troops join out of misguided patriotism or personal desperation and they are destroyed as they are made to destroy. They suffer far more than I ever will.

I don't support the troop's actions. I want them to all stop fighting now and forever.

On edit: My cousin Mac served as a Green Beret in Vietnam. He was a surgeon who was on the front lines. He saw and did everything. We lost him. After he returned home he could not go on. He was destroyed by what he did. He joined for the right reasons - he believed the lies about freedom and liberty and democracy being in danger from the communism. He acted to care for patients and protect his buddies and he contributed to the conduct of war crimes by serving. This is a nightmare for all.

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LibertyorDeath (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun May-21-06 10:53 PM
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11. Thanks for sharing this IndyOp
"My cousin Mac served as a Green Beret in Vietnam. He was a surgeon who was on the front lines. He saw and did everything. We lost him. After he returned home he could not go on. He was destroyed by what he did. He joined for the right reasons - he believed the lies about freedom and liberty and democracy being in danger from the communism. He acted to care for patients and protect his buddies and he contributed to the conduct of war crimes by serving. This is a nightmare for all."

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grytpype (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon May-22-06 08:03 PM
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223. IT'S A FAKE!!!!!!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

"He is wearing his beret on backwards. I doubt he is even who he says he is.

It's a shame that crap like this gets posted on DU. Giving credibility to these kinds of lies demeans the whole site."

"First thing I noticed that the Chevrons on his camo jacket are Marine issue. The Army sews on green patches, Marines use metal pins."
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gully (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon May-22-06 08:34 PM
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226. His beret is NOT on backwards.
You can't see his "chevrons" in the video.

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grytpype (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon May-22-06 08:39 PM
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227. From the "Peacefilms" guestbook
Mother Fu**ng LIES!

I hope all of you read what I have to say about this. First, I speak to you, of Ogrish, as a combat veteran myself. I spent 6 years in the army as an Airborne Ranger stationed with an Infantry bgd at the 82nd, and with the 101st LRS Detatchment. This is the most disgusting piece of propaganda footage I have yet to see about the war in Iraq. While there *ARE* instances of deliberate abuse, killing and even torture of Iraqi non combatants, this particular interview is completely staged. Here are my conclusions...
First of all, in the beginning of the picture, the patch the supposed "Ranger" is wearing can be clearly seen on the right shoulder. A US Army soldiers right arm indicates a combat patch. You dont get one unless you've spent 6 months in a designated combat area. That's fine, except, he is wearing a Special Forces "Group" patch. I only know one ranger Unit that is authorized to wear that patch and they were deployed to Afganistan with 5th group. Also, he has two "tabs" sewn above the right arm patch. This is incorrect. An "Airborne" tab should be sewn above it, but nothing else. I assume the second patch is either the "Special Forces" tab, or his supposed "Ranger" tab. Bull s***. It doesn't go there. Also, notice his rank... Two stripes, Corporal (E-4). Thiese are pinned on. Most Units standards will state that rank is to be SEWN ON. Not pinned. Certainly, a ranger unit would uphold this standard. That's WRONG. Next, take a look at his military photo. The wall photo is similar to the ones you will find of any soldier who goes to the E-5 board for promotion. It is required that they have a "Soldier's Photo" taken for their packet. The standard is either BDU's, or Class-A's. He is shown wearing BDU's. His "Ranger" tab should be sewn above his unit patch. It's not there... Next, notice that above his name tag, there is NOTHING sewn on the uniform. Almost 99.9% of Rangers are airborne qualified. It's par for the course. I've NEVER met a L.E.G. (Low Energy Ground) Ranger. This is usually completed before attending ranger school- except for very rare circumstances. Any airborne soldier would proudly display their Jump Wings. Where are they??? Next, no god damned Unit Crest is placed in the center of the patch in his berrett. Finally, his sleeves are rolled up. For most infantry units, this is not allowed. Support units (and some combat units) will roll up their sleeves in warm weather while in garrison- However, Infantry soldiers are usually not permitted to do so because it is NON-TACTICAL for their job duty. "We train like we fight- And we dont ever fight with our sleeves up." Also, they are rolled improperly. The US Marines roll their sleeve like the liars piture. The US Army rolls up their sleeves but then folds the cuff area over the lighter portion of the sleeve to keep the uniform's camof**e pattern continuous. That's wrong. Here's an abbreviated list of discrepencies...

1. Special Forces Combat Patch (Wrong)
2. Two "Tabs" sewn above SF patch (Wrong- Only One)
3. No Ranger Tab
4. No Airborne Wings
5. No Unit Crest
6. No Sewn on Rank
7. No One in the Army rolls their sleeves like that.
Bonus: 8. Mustache is out of regulation by extending past the corner of the mouth.

You don't take a picture like that- with your uniform looking like you got it from some steven segal movie set. Its disrespectful, and an Army ranger would be upholding those standards.

I don't care what the j*** says... He is completely uncredible.
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grytpype (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon May-22-06 08:42 PM
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228. Another comment from a real soldier
I am completely against the war in Iraq. Completely. I followed the link to this video in hopes of seeing a soldier speak out against the war in a manner that would inspire others to do the same. Aside from the lack of dates, places and names, I found a few other oddities that I think bear consideration in interpreting this veteran’s interview.

I read through all of the posts after viewing the video. As I found the second post on the matters concerning military dress interesting, I went back and replayed the first part that shows the wall picture.

As a former soldier myself (medic, 91B), I can assure you that no one in the Army rolls their sleeves that way. Absolutely no one. It's no big deal that they're rolled while he's giving the interview, but they are again rolled in the photo on the wall showed at the beginning of the video. There is just no way that could be an acceptable Soldier's Photo. He'd have been called out of regulation in a heartbeat, and those pictures are not taken until the photographer decides the soldier is 'dress right dress.' Or at least that’s what I’ve experienced. You see, in the Army and Airforce we all roll our sleeves so that the inside of the BDU's (battle dress uniform) are not shown. The reasoning is that in any situation, a soldier can yank the cuffs down in one movement. Only Marines and Sailors roll their sleeves in the manner displayed in the wall picture. (And sleeves are never rolled in a combat situation. When I served at Yongsan Garrison's military hospital in Korea, we were not exactly at war but it was still considered a combat theatre-so even in the boiling hot of summer, we weren't allowed to roll our sleeves. And when I worked in Germany after 9-11, the post commander didn’t allow anyone to roll their sleeves because the military was in a combat situation. And I've never seen a battle-ready ranger with rolled sleeves at any time).

Also, all enlisted have a metal unit insignia on their berets, and all officers wear their rank on their berets. This young man has no unit crest on his beret in that photo, which is auspiciously out of regulation. Most important to me is that active members of groups like rangers, pathfinders, snipers and airborne (etc) have khaki patches sewn on to the fronts of their BDU's to identify their specialty. The picture of the young man showed no such patches. And his corporal rank was pin-on. That would never fly in a Soldier's Photo. And yes, his mustache is out of regulation. Though I doubt that would ever get past a ranger's platoon leader much less his 1SG, it would certainly not be allowed in a Soldier's Photo.

Even assuming that the photo shown was taken after he got out of the military, I still have trouble with the sleeve rolling. I can explain away the lack of unit crest, desert BDU’s (issued only to the forces in Iraq) and patches by assuming he threw his uniforms and stuff away when he got out. But even in those circumstances, I wouldn't even think to roll my own sleeves in that way. The Army manner of sleeve-rolling looks much more impressive, is much more versatile and is, well, an integral part of military dress. Assuming he had thrown his old uniforms away, but then went through the trouble of purchasing a new uniform for a photo-op or for family memorabilia (and those ranger berets aren’t easy to come by)- well, it just doesn’t make sense in that context to then put the uniform on incorrectly.

I’m having trouble reconciling myself to the possibility that this interview could be posturing to serve the anti-war movement- and I don’t know whether to hope that I’m right or hope that I’m wrong. To me, the end never justifies the means on any side. We just need more information on this one.
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gully (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon May-22-06 08:51 PM
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231. Under the photo is "Iraq Veterans Against The War" I'm thinking
that the photo in question was taken by THEM?
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon May-22-06 10:01 PM
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251. Marines don't roll sleeves like that either
That's too low and too loose. I agree with you; even if he was deliberately disrespecting the uniform:

A) I think force of habit would make rolling sleeves in a non-standard way unlikely,
B) Woodland camouflague is suspicious
C) Old-style (non-digital) camouflague is pretty suspicious too. The Corps has had the digis since '02 and the Army went in, what, '04?
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gully (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon May-22-06 08:49 PM
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230. I'm not sure what picture this angry person is debunking, but it
is not the picture in the video that I watched. His beret is "fine" and medals can't be seen as it's a head shot. Further he has some medals pinned to the outside of his picture frame and his moustache was shaven.

The beret is on in the same position as Tillmans was in his enlistment photo. This MIGHT be propaganda, but those who are debunking it apparently have not watched the video?
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misternormal (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon May-22-06 09:01 PM
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236. I have never seen a beret in the Army over the left ear...
... It is clearly backward...
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gully (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon May-22-06 09:37 PM
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248. "backward" I was thinking backward as in backward baseball hat.
Not, over one eye vs. the other.
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misternormal (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon May-22-06 09:46 PM
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249. I can not speak for a ranger... but...
After spending time around them, I think they would rather have their balls flattened with a rubber mallet, (And we can only imagine how much that would hurt), than to be seen, much less have a photo taken improperly wearing their beret...

Just My opinion...
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grytpype (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon May-22-06 09:07 PM
Response to Reply #230
237. No, his beret is not fine.
Edited on Mon May-22-06 09:37 PM by grytpype
Look at these:

http://images.google.com/images?svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&safe...

and this:



And now look at this and tell me his beret is fine:



His uniform is not remotely correct.

It's a fake.
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gully (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon May-22-06 09:36 PM
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247. As I said, I believe the picture on the wall may have been taken
by Iraq Vets Against the War? But, having his patch over the right eye is not "backwards" which is what I was responding to. It may not be "army proper" but it's not a reason to dismiss every thing this man says.

However, times have changed and perhaps wearing it over the right eye is a sign of protest?



I'm not gullible for giving a guy who wears his beret "differently" the benefit of the doubt. I don't believe nor disbelieve him.
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon May-22-06 10:04 PM
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254. Still doesn't explain the sleeves
Why would a Ranger roll his sleeves like a Marine?

Seriously, little shit like that gets pounded into your head every day you're in the military.
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gully (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon May-22-06 10:09 PM
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255. Not sure if he rolled them or if they are the new issue uniforms I posted
in a pic below.

The army pic in the video does not look "legit" as in taken by the army, but he had a banner below it that said "Iraq Vets Against The War ..." and I wondered if they take photos or took it for him?

I'm not defending him as truthful or not, but I think there was truth to what he said about the experience in Iraq.
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon May-22-06 10:12 PM
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257. gully, go to ivaw.net and look at their photos...the only photo of a
Edited on Mon May-22-06 10:12 PM by file83
protesting veteran with a beret on is wearing it downwards to the right, the correct way. Still no evidence that wearing it downward to the left is a "sign of protest" as you have suggested (made up).

This guy: http://www.ivaw.net/index.php?id=180

And the third photo down on this link: http://www.ivaw.net/index.php?id=167

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gully (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon May-22-06 10:30 PM
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258. I admit to wild speculation. However I understand it's not uncommon to
Edited on Mon May-22-06 11:09 PM by gully
wear ones beret "wrong" regardless.



http://dakev.com/myblog/2003/05/Biography.html

Actually yes, the beret is over the wrong eye.

Upon arrival to my first duty station, I was issued a beret, along with a ton of other stuff. Up until that point I had always worn my soft cap. Nobody told me which eye it was supposed to go over, I just assumed, wrongly, it went over my right eye.

I wore it incorrectly for months until Master Sergeant Tyler caught it and corrected me.

I've done worse things.

Like saluting indoors. I was not told until recently that was a no-no. They just saluted back... so I didn't know I was wrong.


Also, in France the beret is worn downward over the left so a protest in this manner makes a bit of sense.



And, most importantly read this "proper wear of the beret" see specifically "COMMON MISTAKES" - the swiveled beret. Note the word common and the pictures that follow.

http://afsf.lackland.af.mil/Policy/Beret_wear.pdf

Flash not over left eye, swiveled to the left side of your head. The opposite is the Target Beret; swiveled to the right, a flash in the middle of your forehead gives sniper a great place to put cross hairs

I'm not ready to dismiss what he said because his beret was not on "right." I'm not vouching for him either, but I'm certainly not going to call him a liar because his hat was on funny.
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon May-22-06 10:04 PM
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252. gully, show us one picture, just one picture of another Army Ranger with
his beret sloping downward to his left. Berets are ALWAYS worn sloping downwards towards their right.

If you can prove that wearing the beret downward to his left is CORRECT or even ACCEPTABLE, then maybe we'll believe you that "His beret is fine". Until then, you are dead wrong on that point.
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gully (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon May-22-06 10:12 PM
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256. I may be. When I said "fine" I was saying it's not "backward."
I'm not going to argue that his uniform is correct or not as I have no knowledge, but I'm not dismissing everything he says based upon the uniform alone.
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue May-23-06 11:52 AM
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276. I'll argue that the image is reversed in technical terms
SIMPLY HOLD A SIGN UP TO A MIRROR TO SEE WHAT I MEAN. THAT PHENOMENON CAUSES THE VIDEO INVERSION ISSUES. Some cameras compensate for image inversion but fail when it's a picture of a picture as in the video.

Windows platform media players typically use a system known as DirectShow to decode video files. As part of this system special filters can be installed, in order to handle additional video formats or add effects during decoding, for example. Unfortunately some filters can have undesired effects, such as inverting the video or commandeering DivX decoding from the genuine DivX decoder.

Upside down or mirrored video is commonly caused by these filters:

* Bicubic resize filter
Filename: bicubic_resizer.ax
Installed as part of many codec packs, this filter is perhaps most responsible for inverted video.

* G400 filter
Filename: divxg400.ax
Also installed as part of many codec packs, this filter can also invert the video.

* XviD filter
Filename: xvid.ax
Again, installed as part of many codec packs, the XviD filter can decode DivX video as inverted.

more info at: http://forums.divx.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/441101651 ...

this guy's LACK of being an effective speaker makes it more believable because if it was a lie, they'd have hired a better speaker.
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StellaBlue (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon May-22-06 12:32 AM
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22. AMEN!
This is the great taboo, IMHO. Must be talked about. Where's the line between the 'Support the Troops' rhetoric and the fact that the GESTAPO were made up of REGULAR PEOPLE??? Deserves to be talked about, openly.

"What if they threw a war, and nobody came?"
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Nostradammit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon May-22-06 03:12 AM
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67. I want what you want, IndyOp -
This is a nightmare for all and a lot of people are not prepared for what happens when these soldiers finally come home. America is about to get a real good look in the mirror.
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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon May-22-06 03:23 AM
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68. IndyOp, that is a great post. I agree with you 100%. I am sick of
this false bravado...this John Wayne heroism bullshit.

It is time this country learned the truth about what exactly is going on over there...that our troops are being maimed and killed and are killing for a bunch of lies; lies that make a few people very, very rich.

Bush and his cronies are criminals pure and simple. They are using the men and women of our military to do the work they won't do themselves.


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watrwefitinfor Donating Member (895 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon May-22-06 06:39 AM
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75. Winning Hearts & Minds
In Iraq, as in Vietnam.

Wat
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al bupp Donating Member (786 posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon May-22-06 09:33 AM
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88. Joining in the chorus in praise of IndyOp /nt
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon May-22-06 10:12 AM
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96. A nightmare, indeed
The stupidest thing humans ever invented, this war business.

Imagine if the defense budget was around just $100B,,, we could not have even thought about invading Iraq.

But with $400B + it became inevitable that the war junkies would act.
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motocicleta (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon May-22-06 11:42 AM
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110. Bravo.
"I want all troops to put down their weapons. Now and forever.

I want romanticization of the military to end.

I want American's belief that they need protection from the world to end."

That pretty much sums up my feelings.

Kill your TV!
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon May-22-06 03:37 PM
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181. Amen
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Tom Joad (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun May-21-06 10:37 PM
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8. Indy, bless you for the transcript,
First, cannot even access the video now, probably due to high demand. Second, there should be a transript anyway.

This is why so many are coming back with ptsd. What is the most difficult thing for a soldier to bear? Being shot at? No. (though that certainly causes high stress)
It is far more difficult to go against everything one is taught, a very basic instinct really, to not kill, maim, other humans.
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IndyOp (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun May-21-06 10:42 PM
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9. The rest of what I typed from what MacBeth said is here:
Edited on Sun May-21-06 10:43 PM by IndyOp
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maveric (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun May-21-06 11:38 PM
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17. Perhaps he's a stutterer?
Or maybe the trauma of war makes him do so?
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grytpype (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon May-22-06 08:51 AM
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78. I don't recall any reports like this in the foreign media.
This would have been picked up in the foreign media if it was happening.

So take this with a big grain of salt, people.
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun May-21-06 10:25 PM
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3. Makes me sick that this adm is behind this cruelty.
No wonder so many are coming back from Iraq with messed up minds. This is awful.
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun May-21-06 10:26 PM
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4. This needs to be verified and then verified again....
Edited on Sun May-21-06 10:27 PM by Ragazz68
...if it's true...well.....let's not even think about that yet....verification is the first thing to address.
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IndyOp (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun May-21-06 10:33 PM
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7. He is presented as a member of Iraq Veterans Against the War -
I respect the group. If he is an IVAW member then I think he must be real - he couldn't pull the wool over fellow vets' eyes, I would not think.
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10. Hopefully Dahr Jamail can

(I emailed Dahr Jamail Iraq Team)

http://www.dahrjamailiraq.com/weblog /


When the invasion began, Jamail, a fourth-generation Lebanese American who grew up in Houston, decided he could sit at home, depressed and angry, or he could take action. He bought a laptop computer, a digital camera, and a plane ticket.

In Iraq for eight months between November 2003 and February 2005, Jamail reported “collateral damage” far beyond what the military or embedded journalists acknowledged. He wrote of soldiers shooting people in prayer at a Baghdad mosque. He relayed accounts of civilians in Fallujah with extraordinary burns (later revealed to be caused by white phosphorus) and of men and women who bore white flags being shot in the Euphrates River as they tried to swim to safety. Jamail also watched those profiting from the war, reporting examples of blurred lines between the military and corporations operating in Iraq, as well as Bechtel’s failure to restore potable water after being paid hundreds of millions to do so.

Unrelated sources corroborated the stories Jamail heard. “So either it’s a city-wide, conspiratorial lie, or it’s the truth,” he says. Acknowledging his reliance on interpreters, Jamail says, “I trust them. They put their lives on the line to even be seen with me, in an effort to get the truth out.”

After starting with a homemade press pass and no outlet but e-mail, Jamail created a web site, dahrjamailiraq.com, and began writing for the Inter Press Service, The Asia Times, and The Nation, among others. He also reports for Democracy Now! and the BBC. At the culminating session of the World Tribunal on Iraq in June 2005, he documented U.S. violations of Fourth Geneva Convention provisions for health care in occupied countries.

http://www.americanswhotellthetruth.org/pgs/portraits/D...
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon May-22-06 03:13 PM
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158. kick for the truth
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed May-24-06 09:52 PM
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309. and a kick for spite
:kick:
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun May-21-06 10:58 PM
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12. I watched about 1 minute of this and have to wonder about the standards
the "Army Rangers" have (or did recently)...this guy is a blithering idiot.
He may be speaking truth but ... what a sorry-ass excuse for a spokesman.
:eyes:
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EnfantTerrible (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun May-21-06 11:05 PM
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13. Because he has a stammer?
Because he stammers he's an idiot? That's just an ignorant and idiotic statement.
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kittenwithmittens (74 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon May-22-06 11:23 AM
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108. Chimpy stammers and he's an idiot.
Just sayin'
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Earth_First Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Sun May-21-06 11:36 PM
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16. Ever been in a combat zone?
I assure you that recounting such an experience would have me struggling to maintain composure and clear thoughts...
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LibertyorDeath (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon May-22-06 12:33 AM
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23. He's not a spokesman for anything except his own experiences in Iraq
Edited on Mon May-22-06 12:37 AM by LibertyorDeath
and how that has changed his perception of War and the Military.

If you shut it of after 1 minute that says a whole lot.
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peacetheonlyway (948 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon May-22-06 12:42 AM
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28. rough call
Edited on Mon May-22-06 12:48 AM by peacetheonlyway
on the one hand, I've heard of converted Austrian soldiers being forced to fight with the SS soldiers getting their battalions lost and doing other things to avoid their orders so as to not lose lives fighting, and this level of resistance without getting yourself in trouble represent ways soldiers can resist without causing personal court martial activity..

AND, how this man managed to kill 200 is a little sad to me when inside he did not feel good about it, but I can understand the culture of killing in the military and the ways they punish you for not participating.Kevin Benderman got 15 months in the brig for doing 10 long years for the military and 2 tours of duty in Iraq, and still got 15 months for being a conscientious objector.

I totally respect this man for his courage and coming forth now...

his studdering is a verbal condition likely FROM BIRTH and has nothing to do with his testimony which I find to be accurate and from his heart... studderers often studder more when they get emotional about something... I suppose killing people against your will would make one emotional in the recounting of what must horrendous mental images... I very much pity this man and yet, I'm proud of his courage now.....

THIS MAN IS AN AMERICAN HERO... and while I wish he had the foresight to 'forget to carry out' some orders like killing the kids and women, I also think his speaking up now jeopardizes his life and marks him for death by the psychos at the top.....

rough call, but to call him an idiot is not warranted.. his sentences were articulate and his story was genuine. This man is no idiot.. and you my friend, owe him an apology for having to endure an unfair war...

it only made me feel that EVERYONE INVOLVED IN THE WAR are victims... the iraqis are victims, the soldiers are victims, the american populace left with a 9 trillion dollar deficit are victims.. world governments depending on a strong US economy are victims.. this whole thing is a crock of shit and needs to stop immediately..


PEACE THE ONLY WAY!!! peace now... peace to my brother MacBeth.. peace man.. you are a courageous american hero despite your awful deeds.....
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rman (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon May-22-06 08:55 AM
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79. As though Army Rangers would officially speak out on such matters.
LOL
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hiley (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon May-22-06 09:08 AM
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84.  "sorry-ass"
Name calling wow! karlschneider you actually shocked me with this one.
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon May-22-06 09:26 AM
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86. People sometimes stutter with PTSD.
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon May-22-06 12:04 PM
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112. He's not a spokeman for the army. He's telling us what HE went through.
:( as horrid as it is.
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282. I'm sure it was horrible...in his mind....
....where he made it all up.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon May-22-06 12:59 PM
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122. Oh, I don't know...being order to murder the youngest child in a family
...might make me stutter and stammer.

We would do night raids, we would have them on their knees, if the man of the house did not answer we would shoot the youngest kid in the head.
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Tace (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon May-22-06 04:42 PM
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203. I Hope I'd Kill Myself First
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun May-21-06 11:09 PM
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14. Please keep this kicked!
P-L-E-A-S-E!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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northamericancitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun May-21-06 11:21 PM
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15. kicking for the Truth and the end of War. Now.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun May-21-06 11:44 PM
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18. One good kick ...
... deserves another.

And I'm a night-owl, so I'm willing to do this all night long ...


:kick:
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mortlefaucheur (141 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun May-21-06 11:53 PM
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19. KICK!
Kickin' it :kick:
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LibertyorDeath (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon May-22-06 12:41 AM
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26. Like the screen name mortlefaucheur LOL
Welcome to DU!
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LibertyorDeath (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon May-22-06 12:30 AM
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21. Cheers Nance!
:hi:
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peacetheonlyway (948 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon May-22-06 12:51 AM
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32. kick this baby higher...
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fun n serious (102 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon May-22-06 12:07 AM
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20. Kick
Please, if you have not seen the video. Please do.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon May-22-06 12:38 AM
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24. 12:37 a.m. my time ...
... and still in a kickin' mood!

:kick:
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northamericancitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon May-22-06 12:41 AM
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27. You're doing a good job Nance. I applaud your determination. eom
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon May-22-06 12:54 AM
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34. Just felt I had to reply to your ...
... ooops! I guess I just inadvertently kicked again, didn't I?

:kick:
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Clarkie1 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon May-22-06 01:06 AM
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40. You like kicking horseshit? n/t
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Hatalles (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon May-22-06 12:38 AM
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25. Someone get this on YOUTUBE. Post a link. And we'll view/rate it up.
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peacetheonlyway (948 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon May-22-06 12:44 AM
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29. kick again!
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Clarkie1 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon May-22-06 12:51 AM
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31. I don't believe this guy. I'd verify before you kick. n/t
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davepc (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon May-22-06 12:57 AM
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36. Verify this guy
Last thing anybody needs is another Micha Wright.

http://jimtreacher.com/ranger.htm
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peacetheonlyway (948 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon May-22-06 01:00 AM
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38. I'll kick till my heart's content
let's say he's off in the # he killed.

let's even say he killed no one

let's say, the worst this man had to endure was the hot sun, in one fucking hot desert like shit hole.

then , assuming all this,

a. The Iraq war is still total bullshit
b. Soldiers and Ex-Soldiers alike need to stand up and speak out against the war
c. Citizens need to his all the soldiers speaking up like this guy
d. he's still 10 X more patriotic than me for sacrificing his time doing what he was FORCED to do per his military agremeent and for this I give him points... more points than I get sitting behind my stupid computer kicking stuff..... (well, ok I" make political documentaries.. but the point is about scale of personal sacrifice made by soldiers)....

and let the citizens decide for themselves if it's true or false...

as for me, I trust Macbeth 10000% percent more than Fox news... and we put fox news in MegaMillions of US households everday.....

my worry for accuracy from this boy is less buoyed than my understanding what he risks to merely speak before the camera....

the sheer courage of speaking about anything that is not RA RA RA KILL DEM TERARISTS is worth hearing and worth hearing by the American people uncensored...

and a few simple fonecalls to buddies he worked with can corroborate down to the finest details this guy's story...
i'm sure that will be forthcoming...

kicking like crazy.....
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Clarkie1 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon May-22-06 01:07 AM
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41. So you want soldeirs to "speak up" by lies and exagerrations.
Yes, that will help tremendously.

:eyes:
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peacetheonlyway (948 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon May-22-06 01:28 AM
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47. exaggerations
proper spelling, I believe..

woops, an accidental kick as well... my bad!
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The Stranger (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon May-22-06 09:36 AM
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89. "Lies and Exaggerations?"

LIES AND EXAGGERATIONS?



Holy mindfuck, this malAdministration knows NOTHING but LIES AND EXAGGERATIONS, and you are trying to use that phrase when someone DARES SPEAK OUT?
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rman (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon May-22-06 12:30 PM
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120. Troops are ordered to do worse than this - remember the tortures?
Abu Graib, Gitmo, illegal CIA prisons abroad.

So why do you think this guy exaggerates?
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DoYouEverWonder (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon May-22-06 06:52 AM
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76. The reporter Dahr Jamail
Edited on Mon May-22-06 06:53 AM by DoYouEverWonder
is a very reliable source.

I've been following his reports since he put up his website. He wouldn't put this fellow's story out unless it was true. If you need verification go look at some of his photo galleries. There's plenty of verification there that we've committed atrocities.
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon May-22-06 03:24 PM
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167. Dan Rather was reliable too. But even he got tricked into a set up.
Just sayin'... no one is perfect.
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DoYouEverWonder (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon May-22-06 04:20 PM
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202. It think Dahr
is a little more street wise at this point in his life. Dan was too in his day, but his day had passed decades earlier.

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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon May-22-06 04:49 PM
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205. I agree. Trust, but verify, verify, verify. Something about him
doesn't seem right.

What unit was he in? Did he ever apply for conscientious objector status? That doesn't even look like the proper way for a Ranger to wear a beret...but I'm not military.

I hope this story has been 100% vetted.
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Clarkie1 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon May-22-06 12:48 AM
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30. Do we have any corroboration that this is authentic? I have some doubts.
Edited on Mon May-22-06 12:50 AM by Clarkie1
I've never heard of the organization 'Pepperspray Productions" before, so I have to have some degree of suspicion until proven otherwise.

I don't believe this guy, and I hope I'm not proven wrong. Some of his accusations are unbelieveable. Also, he sounds coached to me.
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LibertyorDeath (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon May-22-06 01:17 AM
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42. Pepperspray Productions


Pepperspray Productions is an independent video activist collective in Seattle. We bring you independent video from the front lines of the global battle against the corporate state. In addition to creating individual video pieces, we produce the activist video quarterly The Leader and the weekly public access TV show Indymedia Presents, currently showing on public access stations in the Seattle area, in St. Paul, Minnesota and Tuscon, Arizona. We also dub and distribute Indymedia Newsreal, a monthly compilation of short video pieces screened in IndyMedia Centers around the country and shown on Free Speech TV.

http://peppersp.server312.com /



Eyewitness in Iraq: Dahr Jamail, an Unembedded Report

A Pepperspray Production, 28 minutes

Dahr Jamail recognized that Americans were being misled about the US occupation of Iraq, so he went to Iraq to find the truth. After being unembedded in Iraq totaling over 8 months, he returned to the States to tell what he discovered. In this video Dahr Jamail speaks of the horrors of occupation, the use of illegal weapons by American forces, the rip-off of American taxpayers by Bechtel and other US corporations, the shabby and biased media coverage of the situation by US media, and of the resilient determination of the Iraqi people to be free from foreign occupation.

A portion of the price of this video goes to support Dahr in his ongoing efforts.

Testimonies From FallujaSee the preview! - Quicktime
http://dahrjamailiraq.com/multi_media/Dahr_Jamail_Previ...

See the preview! - Flash Video
http://dahrjamailiraq.com/multi_media/Dahr_Jamail_Previ...


http://dahrjamailiraq.com/multi_media/
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Clarkie1 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon May-22-06 01:21 AM
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43. As I thought, Radical ideologues with no credibility who will lie to suit
their agenda, and get others to lie for them.

Thanks. This case is closed.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon May-22-06 04:02 AM
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70. where did you get your info...?
mighty strong accusations.
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Catrina (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon May-22-06 05:49 AM
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73. Have you seen the torture pictures?
We have a Sec. of Def. who sits in on torture sessions. I too have spoken to Kevin Benderman's wife and to him. He went to jail rather than go back to Iraq to follow the kind of orders he was given, such as shooting children for throwing rocks. I don't think anyone has contradicted him.

Here's what's happening after these soldiers come home ~ this is not the first such story I've read about some of them committing suicide and murder ~ this is a particularly brutal murder:

Soldier convicted in wife’s death, mutilation
Machine gunner wounded in Iraq war sentenced to life in prison

FORT LEWIS, Wash. - A soldier was convicted Saturday of murdering and mutilating his teenage wife, a Fort Lewis spokesman said.

An Army jury found Spc. Brandon Bare, 20, of Wilkesboro, N.C., guilty of premeditated murder and two counts of indecent acts for chopping his wife to death with a meat cleaver and desecrating her corpse.

After a five-day court martial, the jury deliberated about four hours Friday night before reaching the verdict shortly after midnight, said Fort Lewis spokesman Joseph Piek.

........

His defense lawyer said he was an emotionally and physically damaged combat veteran, angry over his wife’s infidelity and the pending breakup of their marriage, who killed in a moment of rage.



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12895003 /

This soldier's story (in the video) sounds believable when you remember all the other stories, which in the beginning we found too horrible to believe. There was the slaughter at the wedding party near the Syrian border, eg.


There's the admission now, after trying to deney it, about the slaughter of 15 family members last fall, including small children ~ and another similar incident earlier this year. And these are only the ones we hear about.

I remember the words of Gen. Miller to the troops after he went to Abu Ghraib from Guantanamo Bay ~ 'treat the Iraqis like dogs' he said ~ and I'm glad it has not been forgotten. These are cruel, evil people. They delight in the suffering of others ~ Rumsfeld, Cheney, Bush ~ Ledeen who thinks the entire ME should be turned into a cauldron. Insane people have taken over this country. It happens occasionally in history. But it needs to end quickly and all of those responsible for this, have to be held accountable.

While most of this is kept from the American people, it is not a secret elsewhere ~ the image of this country is stained, maybe forever ~ to the rest of the world, looking on in horror, we are no different to any other cruel, evil colonial empire, slaughtering, torturing and pillaging in foreign nations. Bush is fooling no one with his ridiculous rhetoric about freedom and democracy. In fact those words are becoming hateful. I know I can't stand to hear them anymore, because I know what they mean ~ the citizens of Iran know their deadly meaning and will resist even more than the Iraqis any invasion by this cabal.
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rman (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon May-22-06 08:59 AM
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82. The Radical Ideologues are in the WH, in case you haven't noticed.
Their policies create a radical reality, so people who speak out about it inevitably say radical things.
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Clarkie1 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon May-22-06 07:33 PM
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216. The Radical ideologues are on the left and right, lies all. n/t
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meganmonkey (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon May-22-06 01:50 PM
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128. There is thing that has happened throughout history
It's called WAR.

During a war, horrible and unbelievable things happen.

The people 'winning' the war do a pretty good job hiding those things until later.

Well, it's getting pretty late already in this war.

In fact, a huge story just came out in the last few days about a massacre in Haditha. Committed by US soldiers against innocent civilians. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/20...

You think that was an isolated event? You think Abu Ghraib was just a few bad apples?

Well you need to think again.
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon May-22-06 03:51 PM
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188. there have been similar massacres since the beginning of the occupation
Fallujah being the largest with close to a thousand people killed. And they were not all "insurgents". Houses are routinely targeted by US air strikes in Ramadi. The full accounting of just how many have been slaughtered may never be known.
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High Plains (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon May-22-06 02:31 PM
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142. Something is closed, but I'm not sure it's this case.
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mirandapriestly (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon May-22-06 01:29 AM
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48. I live in Seattle
I'll try to see what I can find out tomorrow.
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Viva_La_Revolution (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon May-22-06 02:40 AM
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62. You "have some doubts" ? no you don't, you called it bullshit
I just watched it, and I believe him. His mannorisms, his stutter is more pronounced when he talks about the things he did, the dis-connected thoughts... he's telling the truth.

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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon May-22-06 12:57 PM
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121. Yeah they said that bout John Kerry when he tried to talk about War Crimes
Edited on Mon May-22-06 01:29 PM by TheGoldenRule
too. :eyes: I guess in your view American soldiers can do no wrong? Give me a break. :eyes:

The Iraq "WAR" is a TOTAL LIE from start to finish. I believe anyone with a set big enough to CONFESS to War Crimes that are MOST CERTAINLY going on there.

One more thing-Look at that guys eyes-there's ALL the proof anyone needs, right there. :cry:
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon May-22-06 12:53 AM
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33. kicking in utter disgust at the crimes