Military incursion from Mexico??

[Staph]

I'm watching Lou Dobbs (yes, I am a masochist, why do you ask?). In a story on the note from Vincente Fox to the US State Department, Lou mentioned delay in State responding to the note and how that could cause problems with the occasional military incursion by the Mexicans into the U.S.

Is there something I'm missing here? The last military incursion I remember reading about that involved the U.S./Mexican border was around the time of Pancho Villa. Does anyone know what the heck Lou is smoking?

[joemurphy]

1. Marijuana? (Spanish for "MaryJane)?

I'm sort of hoping they'll embed Lou with the National Guard reinforcements so that I can enjoy his broadcasts from the Sonoran Desert.

[aikoaiko]

2. A while back....like 2 or 3 months... I recall a story...

... about Mexican military vehicles and men in uniforms assisting smugglers. One of the vehicles got stuck. Of course, it difficult to know if they were impersonating or the real thing.

They might have even been caught on video, but the memory is dim.

[DeaconBlues]

3. Mexican military incursions reported

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s_414957.html

[WolverineDG]

7. They're drug smugglers disguising themselves

as military. They're doing it in Nuevo Laredo all the time. A friend who works at the Sheriff's department says that things are so tough for the drug cartels that the mules are now protecting their loads (drugs or people). It used to be that when apprehended, the mules would run & leave the load. Now they fire back. This is the main reason local law enforcement does NOT want the Minutemen running around.

dg

[msongs]

4. does mexican army aid and abet drug smugglers? that is the

gist of the claims, certaink units or persons in the mexican military cross the border into the US to aid drug smuggling and in some cases aid immigrant smuggling. it is widely believed that the mexican military is very corrupt and some parts of it will do anything for money.

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[BlackVelvet04]

5. Actually,

there is a problem.
I got this in an email from a friend in AZ. The writing is horrible, but you can get the drift. One thing I do know is that this guy isn't lying.

"Quitely the drug cartels are stocking weapons IED's and shit like that rumor has it they will hit small towns, communities and private places for retrobution. it will be war shortly and the gov seems to beignoring it. The other day we drove from Amado to G.V. I saw 2 dog house trucks ( they are dodge pickups which has a modified camper shell "jail cell" on the back. they bolt in the back and has a locking system like a semi trailer door does. and let us not forget the climate control to keep the little fuckers cool and warm.) well they had about ten tonks apiece patting them down ( tonk that's the sound a mag light soundslike when impacting the back of a wets or drug dealers head. BP lingo) I got to the canoa exit and saw a BP bus loading about 40 or 50( the buses are sweet all white discreet markings totally tinted windows the only difference in this bus and todays greyhounds are the plastic seats and a cage seperating driver and crowd. Also dont forget the climate control.) every day the buses sit in amdo as a staging area. we are a nation under siege down here and the amount of sympathizers who are hauling dope and wets is incredible. the big shot BP say they have it under control the are lying as you talk to any ground pounder.

A while back Joe was up in a canyon with a girl and stepped out of his truck to take a leak and came face to face with a mexican army feller heavily armed. Bill ran into some of them a couple of months ago and i ran into 5 by madera who were all armed with ak47's luckily i saw them before the saw me . bp was telling me that the U.S. spec op community trained a whole slew of mexican spec op folks and after the finished the training they to a person went awol with all equipment and now work for the highest pay drug cartels. keep your powder dry this is getting really scary."

Madera that is referred to is Madera Canyon just outside of Green Valley, AZ. bp is Border Patrol. I changed the names but the rest is just as it was written to me. Amado is Amado, AZ. G.V. is Green Valley.

[Ms. Clio]

6. Unsubstantiated emails are not generally considered reliable source

And this is one is load of steaming tripe.

[BlackVelvet04]

8. You're certainly

free to not believe it but I know these people and they had no reason to lie.

A load of steaming tripe? How would YOU know that? Are you in Amado? Madera Canyon? Tubac? Rio Rico?

Rude, aren't you? Simply saying you don't believe it would have been sufficient.

[Ms. Clio]

9. Provide some reputable links

or stop posting crap.

[BlackVelvet04]

11. I can hardly post links

to a private email from someone expressing their observations and what they have been told.

If you don't believe it..FINE. If you don't want to read what I write, then put me on ignore and piss off!

[Ms. Clio]

14. No, thanks

I will just continue to point out that "friend of a friend emails" are not reliable sources.

Carry on.

[diamondsndust]

13. Who made you the Post Patrol?

Telling people what and how to post... Jebus help us!

oh, here's your link: http://www.fuckyou.com

Some people....

[BlackVelvet04]

15. Thank you.....

I shared an email and everyone is free to decide what they believe.

[diamondsndust]

19. Glad to help...

I get tired of seeing the way some people act here.

[Greyhound]

16. Here's one from this very thread verifying the US trained unit

that deserted after training, took the equipment and have been working for the cartels and their own gang ever since.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s_414957.html

Several former Mexican soldiers trained in the U.S. as anti-drug commandos are now part of a well-armed gang known as the "Zetas," which has been linked to hundreds of killings and kidnappings on both sides of the U.S.-Mexico border in southeastern Texas.

A total of 216 incursions by suspected Mexican military units have been documented since 1996 -- 75 in California, 63 in Arizona and 78 in Texas, according to a Department of Homeland Security report.

I don't understand why you are so adamant about defending the utterly corrupt Mexican government, law enforcement, and military.

[Ms. Clio]

17. Oh, I have no doubt there is gang-related crime by the Mexican military

I just don't think it presages any kind of "invasion."

[Greyhound]

18. It is, by definition, an act of war. n/t

[BlackVelvet04]

21. I think it has to do with point of view.

Amado is a very small community and very closed. It wouldn't take many "outsiders" to make the community feel invaded.

[Greyhound]

26. No, it has to do with tradition going back thousands of years and,

I believe, international law. If military forces from one country trespasses into the land of another country it is an act of war, period.

[Scoody Boo]

23. You are correct...

It is drug related activity and not an invasion. But more and more Mexican military are making incursions as escorts into the US. It used to be the the Mexican Army and the Policia Federal Judicial would escort drug shipment to the edge of the Mexican side of the Rio Grande. Now they are turning up miles within US territory.

[area51]

24. Welcome to DU, Scoody Boo. (n/t)

[notadmblnd]

10. there have been reports that Mexican soldiers have been caught

on the US side of the border. some speculate they are involved with smuggleing drugs/illegals.

[treestar]

12. Then didn't they also "help" in the Katrina mess?

Though I remembered reading that somewhere.

[notadmblnd]

25. yes they did

snip:
SAN ANTONIO, Texas - A Mexican army convoy rolled into the United States on Thursday with food and medicine for Hurricane Katrina victims, its first military operation on U.S. soil since the mid-19th century.

A 44-vehicle convoy of 200 unarmed troops flew Mexico’s red, white and green national flag from every cab as it moved into San Antonio, where Mexican forces killed 189 rebels in the famous Battle of the Alamo in 1836 during the Texas revolution against Mexican rule.

It was the first time a regular Mexican army brigade was on U.S. soil since 1846 when, during a full-blown war, the United States took what are now its southwestern states from Mexico.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9248064/

[BrotherBuzz]

20. It could be the Chiapas Zapatista rebel incident

Things could possibly heat up in Chiapas area again after 12 years of relative peace. If it escalates, it could reflect poorly on Fox's party candidate, Felipe Calderon, and help his opponent Obrador.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0605070319may07,1,540342.story?coll=chi-newsnationworld-hed

[NorthernSpy]

22. Chiapas is on the Mexico/Guatemala border in the south...

... not the US/Mexico border in the north.

That's pretty far away. It's probably not that.