Anoher lying recruiter

[this_side_up]

Salem man goes AWOL, says Army tricked him

He was falsely assured that he'd receive medications, he says

ALAN GUSTAFSON
Statesman Journal

May 18, 2006

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After all, he said, a Salem-based Army recruiter, Sgt. Renny Lutz, assured him that he would receive medication to ward off depression and anxiety once he got to basic training.

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Crawford said that as he struggled through basic training, a drill sergeant told him that he didn't belong in the Army. He said fellow recruits were equally blunt: "They told me, if we were to go to war, we would not want you with us."

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In Crawford's case, he alleges that the Salem-based Army recruiter advised him not to disclose his history of depression and anxiety in a medical exam he took before basic training.

Crawford said the same recruiter advised him to stop taking his medication before the exam.

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31 yrs old, divorced with 3 kids, history of depression and anxiety, (no job??)
and with the Republicans running/ruining everything, the man has no prospects, so
he chooses to enlist and the recruiter LIED. Just following the example of
his Commander In Chief, Rumsfeld, Cheney et al.

And the Oregon primary had 38% voter turnout. Vote-by-mail was supposed to
increase the total number of votes. I guess it does not take into account
the voters know our corporate representatives do not listen to us.



http://statesmanjournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060518/NEWS/605180333

[Erika]

1. This sucks...so sadly n/t

[this_side_up]

2. Yes it does. Big time.

I wonder how many more are being lied to?

I wish I had the $200 to give him so he could begin the process. The sooner he starts, the sooner it is over; even if it means prison time but I don't see how they can
do that. The recruiter LIED.

This recruiter and the one in Portland - I wonder where they will be
in 6 months? Iraq or Afghanistan? I do not wish that on them but I can't
see the brass letting the recruiters off.

Every day in every way I dislike, detest, despise and loathe all Republicans
everywhere and all their friends overseas and I hope they all choke on
their money and possessions. That also goes for the Dems who vote with
the Republicans.

Some day in some way(s) this entire PNAC mess will bite them and theirs
in the butt. I know that one of the results from Global Warming will :)

[AndyTiedye]

3. Jason Tharp Was Another. He Didn't Survive "Water Survival Training"

drowned in the pool at Parris Island with half a dozen "expert" swimming instructors in attendance.

He was just trying to get some money for art school.

There is now a scolarship fund in his memory.

http://braxtonian.com/extra/JasonsTharpsLetters_SundayGazetteMail.html

[this_side_up]

4. Damn. My first

thought was: where was their God when this kid was drowning? Where is that
God now? Why isn't their God slamming lightning bolts on every one of these
assholes and turning them into crispy critters?

I bet they all wait until their deathbed and then say Oh God, I be so afraid of
dying and afraid of you. I chose to be Evil and screw people over and lie,
cheat, steal and murder but now that I am dying, I am sorry for my actions.
Therefore, you must forgive me and let me into heaven. What kind of
God accepts that bullshit?

It is no wonder I don't believe in a god.

[AndyTiedye]

8. I Was Wondering Where Was all that "Semper Fi" While Jason Was Drowning

Did I mention that there is news footage of him being abused by a drill instructor the day before he drowned?

[johnnypneumatic]

5. it's ok, bush sent the recruiters all a secret memo telling them to lie

i just made that up but it would be s.o.p. for *

[Mnemosyne]

6. kick

[KharmaTrain]

7. PTSD From This War Will Reverb For Decades

Next time if we need to start wars, can we please have people who run them who also had to fight in them? Can we get someone in charge who spent a 6 month tour facing the daily grind of keeping your head low and adjusting to the loss when another one of your buddies didn't duck quick enough, fast enough. Then let's multiply that stress times the 3 or 4 times the stop-loss program put many of these people through.

I know several returned Iraqi vets who have or are starting t show the strains that a 3-year dead-end, no-end deployment can mean. One I chatted with recently is facing a third tour to Baghdad this summer. He puts up a stiff upper lip about how he's proud to be going back, but the sunken eyes say far more than the words do. He says his motivation is to stand with his buddies who are still there (cause of the guilt he's felt about those who didn't make it back) but his tone about his "leaders" is full of scorn, verging on disgust. Surely a good part of this "return guilt" is encouraged by the military and only adds to the stress he must feel from what he's already encountered.

Right now he's trying to wrap up affairs before he heads back to his army unit in the Green Zone in two months and his words are far less macho and confident as they were in the past. You can see he's dreading having to return but his guilt is so thick he's a captive of the war that will haunt him for the remainder of his life.

The hardest thing for me is what to say to him...I just quietly keep faith he'll be safe and his nightmare will end after this tour.

[brentspeak]

9. I had a completely different experience with an Army recruiter

I tried to enlist a few years ago, but the recruiter cut the interview short after I told him I was taking Paxil (I remember the other recruiter, who was at his desk listening to our interview, get up and roll his eyes when he heard the word "Paxil").

This recruiter could very well just been a bad apple -- or that the Army is unfairly putting so much pressure on the recruiters nowadays.

[recoveringrepublican]

10. Sounds like my dad..he was a HORRIBLE recruiter

Maybe it was because at the time both of his kids where nearing enlistment age. He's also pretty honest. He loved the ARMY, but understood it wasn't for everyone. When I was trying to enlist (hearing problems got in the way Thank God, as I would have been trained as a nurse and you know where my ass would be) I was forbidden by my father to talk to the recruiters when he wasn't present. He even went with me when they would have their little outings for all the potential recruits, which pissed the recruiters off as he talked 2 out of enlisting as he didn't feel they knew what they were getting into.

[brentspeak]

11. Well, then he wasn't horrible

Part of the recruiter's job is to make sure their recruits are properly qualified for the military. It doesn't do the military any good to have troops who will not be effective.

(Speaking for myself, I thought I would be effective, Paxil or no Paxil. But the recruiter said the "no psychiatric medication" rule was essentially written in stone.)

[recoveringrepublican]

12. lol, I agree...just meant that he rarely made his quota nt

[wvspaz]

13. The marine recruiter that visited my son's high school last year ...

told my son that if he joined, he'd get "pussy in every port". I told my son he'd be fodder for chimpy's war and he'd join the service over my dead body.