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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:42 PM
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I just got off the phone with Jason Leopold
who clarified something for me that is pretty damned important. In his article, he said:

"During the course of that meeting, Fitzgerald served attorneys for former Deputy White House Chief of Staff Karl Rove with an indictment charging the embattled White House official with perjury and lying to investigators related to his role in the CIA leak case, and instructed one of the attorneys to tell Rove that he has 24 hours to get his affairs in order, high level sources with direct knowledge of the meeting said Saturday morning."

In point of fact, those 24 hours are "business hours," i.e. starting on Monday.

"Jeez, Jason," I said, "we might want to put that into the essay. Half the planet thought 24 hours was 24 hours. They thought the deal would go down today."

To be fair, a dozen eyes looked at that article yesterday before we published it, mine included, and none of us caught that. The word "business" has been inserted into the story after "hours" where it belongs:

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/051306W.shtml

So. Monday at the very earliest, but more like Tuesday or Wednesday.

I'm going to go take a nap and then go get drunk with some friends tonight. Dan's brother Ken, the airline pilot and all-around wild-man, is in town for the weekend. Gonna be the Linwood Cafe, and their Mojo from the nitrogen tap, and then around again to our usual gathering spot.

I'd repeat everything I've said about Jason's multiple independent sources, about how the MSMs failure to pick this up sounds more like more of the same old shit than anything ominous, about how no hard paper or announcements or anything will come until, at a minimum, the government re-opens for business on Monday...but I've written it all already.

The truth will out. It always does.

Later, gators.
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Drum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:44 PM
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1. Thx (again,) Mr. Pitt nt
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:44 PM
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2. "to get his affairs in order"
That sounds like he's going to be taken into custody. That can't be, can it?
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:50 PM
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19. The smoke you smell coming from Rovian quarters is
the odor of shredders in meltdown and underlings tushes as Rove tortures them to help them remember cover stories.
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 02:02 PM
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41. sounds more like time to clean out his WH office
because once he resigns he will not have time to do it without prying eyes watching his every move. As it stands now, I wouldn't doubt that people divert their eyes when he passes so as not to draw attention to themselves. :rofl: Just entertaining myself I guess. :rofl: anyway!
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pdxmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 02:04 PM
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44. I doubt he'll be taken into custody. But getting his affairs in order
could mean they're giving him time to get his office packed up so he doesn't have to get back in there after he's indicted. I'm sure there are a lot of things he would need to handle, dealing with his job, that he won't have an opportunity to deal with once the indictment comes down. Sounds like it's a courtesy being afforded him.
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 05:57 PM
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100. ...as I've been saying all along. The guy IS in the oval office after all.
It takes a couple of days to prepare for his departure, opn many levels.

Thanks, William!!!!

WoooHoooo!!!!
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ItsTheMediaStupid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 03:14 PM
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64. A courtesy afforded a lot of people who aren't deemed a flight risk
If he was just a regular Joe in DC, he'd be in jail, but he's a white, white-collar criminal, so he gets kid gloves treatment.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 06:19 PM
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112. For about an hour
He'll be bonded and out in no time. Until he is actually convicted, he will not be remanded to permanent custody in the pound yer ass prison.

That may well have happened rather secretively on Friday at about 3pm.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:45 PM
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3. hard worker
you. thanks.

:kick:
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:45 PM
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4. Thanks, Will and Jason! Have fun; the 'home fires' will be
burning here! :hi: As you know. ;-)
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:45 PM
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5. I didn't doubt for a minute.
T R U T H O U T always has the truth.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:47 PM
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6. If I talked to Jason I'd tell him to relax as much as possible --
Edited on Sun May-14-06 01:48 PM by IndyOp
Given that the story is so important, I really do feel for Jason. My gut churns when I talk about election fraud and I know the person I am talking to is thinking 'conspiracy theorist!' It is embarassing and enraging.

There is nothing *anyone* can do to make people believe they are correct or even that they are telling the truth.

All we can do is tell our truth.

Jason -> :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:48 PM
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11. He's relaxed
Waiting like the rest of us, confident, solid, good to go.
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Scout1071 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 02:12 PM
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52. Mind if I cross-post this at DKos Will?
As you can imagine, there is a great deal of debate over there as well.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:47 PM
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7. Thanks Will!!
Have a great day!

:yourock:
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:47 PM
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8. I've been drinking champagne
since your first post on the indictments. I'll pop some more when MSM plays catch up.

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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:47 PM
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9. Wish I could join you and buy you a round!
Thanks for all your hard work!
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:51 PM
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21. Ditto!
I would love to buy you a pint. Enjoy your well deserved time off.
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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:47 PM
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10. Have One On BeatleBoot!!!!
And keep up the good work.

Our country needs you.

A bientot, from Detroit!!!!!
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No DUplicitous DUpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:48 PM
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12. Thanks Will. I never had any doubt about the story being true.
Enjoy that well deserved drink! And Recommended.
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:48 PM
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13. Oops, too excited; posted "original" instead of "reply." Apologies.
Here was my comment; I am removing the original post. Stoopid.

I'm not sure what a "frogmarch" to jail is, but I sure as hell look forward to Karl showing Joe Wilson and me what it looks like.

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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 02:20 PM
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53. Frogmarch...
Old definition of "frogmarch" (used to be "frog's march") you'd be carried upside down against your will with a person on each limb. Generally done in old Britain (and sometimes still done today) to drunks.

Modern definition, any method for marching a prisoner against his will, bound or unbound. Usually, though, with arms held behind the back by force.

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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 04:33 PM
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88. You need to put a crown on his head--the Emperor has no clothes on!
Sort of tilted and falling off.
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 05:58 PM
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102. Pass the brain bleach, please.
Edited on Sun May-14-06 05:59 PM by jazzjunkysue
:puke:
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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 10:36 PM
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167. Damn you should have warned me - GRAPHIC Photo
Now I'm sick to my stomach!!!!!!
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Jigarotta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 11:06 PM
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170. what a sickening specimen of all sickness on earth.
the 7 deadly sins all wrapped up in a moron with a chimp thumb on the red button.
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:48 PM
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14. Thanks for the update - have fun!
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:48 PM
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15. Actually Will, many of us figured that out already.
ANTHING to do with the business community or the Gov't is always in business days. But thanks for clarifying it. It's sooo hard for us to remain calm and controlled when we know a major explosion is about to take place! The sad part is, if this doesn't happen Monday, it probably won't be until Wed! If I'm not mistaken, the GJ only meets Mon, Wed, and Fri, right?
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:49 PM
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17. I figured
but on something like this, it is important to nail it to the floor. There were a shitload of posts today from people who did think 24 hours was 24 hours. A lot of angst got released when it didn't happen that way. People are charged up, which is understandable, which is wht "business" was a word that should have been in there in the first place.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:49 PM
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16. hm...
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:50 PM
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18. ?
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:52 PM
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23. !
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ninkasi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:51 PM
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20. Just have a good time
Will, before I retired, I always thought in terms of business hours instead of personal, off-time hours. It's the same with days...you have so many business days to complete an assignment, for example. I'm going to love it when Rove is indicted.
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:51 PM
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22. Did they give Libby "24 business hours" to get HIS affairs in order?
I honestly don't recall. This is important because one would assume that the serving of indictments in both cases would be handled similarly, correct? :shrug:
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:53 PM
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25. maybe he didnt have as much to shred...??
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:55 PM
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29. LOL, LOL, LOL........*sniff*, *sniffle*... CRY, CRY, CRY...
:rofl:... :cry:
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Scout1071 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 02:01 PM
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37. They gave David Safavian 24 hours (i.e. a weekend)
I remember that he resigned on Friday and indictments were announced on Monday.
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 02:05 PM
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46. Well, Fitz did announce that he would be holding a new conference
well before (I believe it was the day before) he held it for Libby. Don't remember just how long it was after that that Libby "turned himself in for processing". Anyone remember?

There must be threads and threads about it here somewhere.
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Bumblebee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 05:14 PM
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93. But didn't he say he won't necessarily hold more press conferences?
No matter what? I seem to remember he did.
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worldgonekrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 10:48 PM
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168. Could be they are just trying to mess with Rove and the administration
You know, tell him he's going to be indicted but not let them know exactly when so they sit around anxiously awaiting the moment. There could be a number of reasons to do such a thing. First off is that it completely puts the ball in Fitzgerald's court. He's the one calling the shots and there can be no denying it. Second is that maybe Rove or someone else connected to the criminal conspiracy will do something really stupid out of desperation. Also, it could be fun for Fitzgerald and his staff just to make them squirm. Prosecutors often tend to enjoy that.
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Klukie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:53 PM
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24. Thanks...
I am content just to know that the bastard will be indicted.
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:54 PM
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26. WP......did you say phone.....phone!!!
you forgot one thing, phone and NSA goes together, no flying small planes for you until further notice.

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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:55 PM
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27. On Monday, the press assigned to the White House
should be asking if Rove is still employed there? Do they expect any changes to his status? What is the procedure if Rove does Resign?

Jason did his job. Logic says that because Fitz was there so long on Friday, Rove's attorney's were doing a Hail Mary to try and stop it or craft a deal. Courts aren't held open on a just-in case basis, so I assumed nothing gets formally announced until the sealed indictment is handled in accordance with the Court's rules.

Patience is key here for the wheels of Justice do grind slowly... :P
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:56 PM
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31. Snow will just say "Those are wild speculations....next question".
And he'll be done with it. He'll say "I've already addressed that question."
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 02:01 PM
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36. Visions of a humiliated Scotty in Snow's head may say that
Edited on Sun May-14-06 02:08 PM by Pithy Cherub
discretion is the better part of valor. There are no changes that he is aware of - but to categorize it as 'wild speculation' will make it the fastest expenditure of credibility ever in that job as soon as Fitz speaks. ;)
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 02:08 PM
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50. And that will be the end of Snow. They'll call it "The Spring Melt".
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klook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 03:26 PM
Response to Reply #31
66. And Helen will chase him down in the parking garage! (n/t)
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HooptieWagon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 04:29 PM
Response to Reply #31
86. "We can't comment...
... on an on-going investigation. Next question..."
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 06:03 PM
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105. It's not really that "impordent."
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 02:00 PM
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35. Jason did his job. Agreed. Further -
Jason's job is an important one. The first to report sets the tone: Real investigative, aggressive journalism needs to be done here.

The worst case scenario for this situation is that the corporate media pundits great this with a great big YAWN! and take only a few minutes to talk about how little Rove's departure will change * grand successes. They may be talking in high pitch, extremely anxious tones offset, but onset they may play cool. They *can* and *may* do that.

I want real investigative journalism -- and while we can count on David Schuster of MSNBC to do some of the work -- much of the rest will be done by alternative media.

:thumbsup:
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:55 PM
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28. Thanks for clarifying, Will.
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:56 PM
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30. I thought this might be the problem. Thanks, Will.
I believe "Talkleft" got a massive earful when calling Luskin up at 10pm Saturday night? "This is Washington!" Heh. In other words, lawyers work business days, damnit.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:56 PM
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32. I'd like it better if it came out Tuesday, anyhow =>)
I haven't doubted Leopold's article for a minute. H20 Man has been teaching patience, and I think it has been rubbing off on me.

Thanks for the update, Will. :toast:
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Scout1071 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:59 PM
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33. If Rove resigns in the morning, we know it will be accurate.
No way that they announce the indictments while Rove is still working in the White House. As they did with Goss, Foggo, Safavian and others, he will resign so that when the story breaks it he will be referred to as "former Presidential advisor" Karl Rove.
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 02:04 PM
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43. I don't think that will soften the blow any, nearly everyone knows who
Karl "turd blossom" Rove is.
It will come down real hard, leaving bush popularity into the mid-twenties... maybe flirting with the teens.

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Scout1071 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 02:06 PM
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48. It just seems to be their "m.o."
However, it was pointed out to me in another thread that we don't know if Rove's resignation hasn't already been offered and accepted, just not publicized yet.
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 02:08 PM
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49. WHAT IF ....
Rove takes the hit and lets blivet** FIRE him? Wouldn't that have a bounce effect on his numbers?

Boggles the mind, doesn't it? Could Rove allow himself to be embarassed like that for the cause?

hmmmmmmmmmmm ....
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 03:56 PM
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75. That's not what Libby did
He's the first WH Official in about 100 years to get indicted while still on the job.

I think Rove will do the same.

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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:59 PM
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34. I thought they only gave 24 hours to those going into the slammer?
I guess this will give him time to clean out his desk, have one last fling with Jeff Gannon, and a bowl of that fine bean soup in the cafeteria. Not necessarily in that order.
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 06:05 PM
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106. Who's gonna tell Jeff???? He'll be devistated!
:scared:
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 07:50 PM
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132. They'll have to go back to their usual Motel 6 instead of
the west wing.
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 09:27 PM
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151. Awwww. No more Lincoln bedroom.....
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 10:17 PM
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166. The springs on the bed were quite noisy anyway. It would
drive Barney bonkers. His barking would wake up everyone. You don't want to wake up the president*. If he doesn't get ten hours of sleep, he is cranky all next day.
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 02:02 PM
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38. Thanks for informing us Will.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 02:02 PM
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39. Amazing what happens when the Left media break an important
Edited on Sun May-14-06 02:03 PM by hlthe2b
story.... Who knows if Rove is rightfully "expelling a brick," but it does seem that those who did the work to get the story are having to sweat through 72 hours in the "hot seat."

Hang in there, Will, Jason, and all the Truthout guys. I have a feeling this will all be worth it... :toast:


I go on record though. If by chance there are problems with the story, your reputation carries you. I will be there to support you now and in the future--against the naysayers.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 02:39 PM
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59. meanwhile anything coming from the smearboaters got the mighty wurlitzer
cranking overtime at max volume. We know the drill.
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 02:02 PM
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40. Thanks Will...let me be the first to apologize for my expressions of doubt
...this makes sense and I look forward to Tuesday.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 02:03 PM
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42. Absolutely no apologies necessary.
Doubt is good.
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OrangeCountyDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 02:32 PM
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55. Do You Expect Rove Will Go Ahead With His Monday AEI Speech? nt
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Lautremont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 02:04 PM
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45. Do the business hours include lunch? Is it eight hours per day,
for a total of three days? If so, why not say three days? If not, and the 24 hours include overnight, then why would they start Monday morning and not, say, Friday or Saturday? I'm guessing (but it's maddening to have to guess) that the business hours referred to are Rove's lawyer's business hours.

I certainly understand copy editing oversights, but this is far too important a story to be sloppily written.

That said, while I'm neither doubting nor absolutely accepting this story as of yet, I tend to believe it must have been very carefully reported, as for such an important item to be false or even premature would be fatal to Truthout's cred, as everyone involved must know. There's no room for "oops - we got it wrong" here, and I'm therefore certain everything has been checked, double checked and as sourced as can be.

So, despite my minor scolding, I'm very cheered and hopeful by the whole thing, as well as impressed with Truthout's skills of reportage.
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 02:05 PM
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47. Thanks so much for the update and clarification! Your evening out sounds
fun...you sure have deserved it!
knr
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 02:10 PM
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51. So we shouldn't uncork the champagne until Wednesday
I take it. Got it. Thanks.
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Semblance Donating Member (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 02:24 PM
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54. 15 hours
On the radio today, Jason apparently said that Fitz arrived at 11:30 AM. He then stayed there for 15 hours? What does the 15 hours refer to?
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 02:34 PM
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56. Monday, eh...?
Well, now we know why Boy George is taking over the national airwaves that night for his "An'm gonna send the National Guard to the border to protect us from them Messicans" address.

It's the first time Captain Crotchsock has delivered a televised prime-time address that didn't have to do with terraism or Iraq. Why such a big deal about having the Guard patrol the border? Possibly, to force some other issue off the top of the news? It sure seems like they scheduled the speech on short notice, like they suddenly realized they had to do something on Monday night...

:shrug:

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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 02:40 PM
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61. What are they going to do with the media? How is the WH going to mask this
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 02:35 PM
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57. Thanks Will for the update
Enjoy the R & R!

:toast: :woohoo:
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 02:35 PM
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58. peace
i can wait
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 02:40 PM
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60. I always thought that was the case. Who counts the weekend?
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 02:58 PM
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62. Just wondering. If indicted he still has a job with the GOP?
What he really is is the ultimate GOP political hack. No need to remove him from that role, after all it is OK to have criminals in charge of criminal organizations.

Will he be cut off from all support? I do remember Nixon hacks turning bitter with about support, is Roves support system better?
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MindMatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 04:16 PM
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81. Isn't that a prerequisite?
In the GOP, an indictment is a badge of honor. Although these days, so many Republicans have indicements and convictions that it barely impresses anyone.
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NastyRiffraff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 03:10 PM
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63. Figgered that one out already
But thanks for the clarification, Will, and the assurance that the story is solid.

And have a great time tonight...wish I could buy you one!
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 03:26 PM
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65. If the story is that the indictment is sealed & that is why it's not a
matter of public record at this time, then that should be explicity stated in the article.

Friday's article stated that the indictment would be sealed. Saturday's article doesn't. It may seem self evident to people who have been working on/reviewing the two articles, but it's not to the reader who may or may not have read Friday's story. Clearly that has been a point of contention among readers who naturally would expect an indictment to be a matter of public record.

Was the indictment sealed to give an opportunity to try to hash out a plea agreement before the indictment went public? If that's the contention, why not say so. Or was that not known at the time the article was published. If that's the current info, it would be helpful to explain that in some sort of update.

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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 03:26 PM
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67. That's all fine and well, but how will we KNOW
you're drunk?

Peace, my friend. I'm very happy for Truthout, Jason, and you.


:toast:
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 03:27 PM
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68. Business hours? That doesn't make sense.
What affairs? If it's home matters, he can do it at the weekend. If it's "business" matters - he can easily do that at the weekend. The government still operates over the weekend, even under the vacationer-in-chief. What, exactly, needs to be taken care of in business hours? We humble citizens may have to take our cheques to the bank then, but I'm at a loss to imagine what Rove might have to do. Organise lawyers? Weekend. Find papers? Weekend. Come up with a convincing story? Not enough time if you gave him a month.

Please explain.
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Balbus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 03:32 PM
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70. Yeah, I'm having trouble with it also..
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 03:36 PM
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71. What's more
If you take "business hours" to mean 9-5, that's 8 hours; 24 hours would give you three full days. Why would they describe it like that? Why not "three working days"? Or does 24 business hours mean one working day of just 8 business hours?
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sheelz Donating Member (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 05:15 PM
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94. Stay tuned...
they're working on that for the late night wednesday story. :hi:
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Brundle_Fly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 03:27 PM
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69. Hey Will !!
Buffalo clocked Ottawa, I think they will have to go up against either Edmonton or Anaheim for the cup.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 03:41 PM
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72. Are you also saying that Rove was NOT indicted on May 12, as the article
claims?

The article--the headline even--clearly said that Rove was indicted on Friday. May 12, or before.

If you are now saying that Rove has not been indicted yet, but that the indictment may happen next week, you need to clarify that in your article as well as on DU.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 06:17 PM
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109. I'm not Will Pitt clearly
However, it's clear from what he said that if Rove was indicted on Friday May 12th, he has until 5pm on the next business day to actually be arrested, mugshotted, bail bonded etc.

As an aside, he was given that courtesy because Fitz clearly believes he is not a flight risk.

So the article may in fact be dead on.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 03:53 PM
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73. Cheers to you and Jason!
:toast:
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spuddonna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 03:55 PM
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74. Have a great time! And tell Jason...
... thanks! :)
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 04:00 PM
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76. Tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow...
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow; a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more: it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing....

:rofl:
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 04:04 PM
Response to Reply #76
79. What! Frighted with false fire? n/t
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 04:27 PM
Response to Reply #79
85. LOL
:rofl:
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 06:00 PM
Response to Reply #76
103. You seem to have
an awful lot invested in the idea that this story is wrong.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 06:05 PM
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107. I do! I'll have to call myself a dimbulb in my signature line if it's true
The bet, remember?

:hi:
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 06:18 PM
Response to Reply #107
110. And that's a good reason
to post insulting messages to your fellow DUers? Really? You must live a crucifyingly dull life. You're actually rooting against a Rove indictment so you don't have to update your sig line. Wow.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 06:19 PM
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111. Isn't it amazing?
Edited on Sun May-14-06 06:22 PM by alcibiades_mystery
Oh, were you insulted? I was just musing, you know? Isuddenly remembered my Charlemagne and all that. :-)

The fact is, at this point, you have much more invested in it being true than I have in it being false. For me, it'll be a sig line, some good natured embarrassment. For you, if this turns out false, it's the whole game, isn't it?
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 07:41 PM
Response to Reply #76
131. I used to teach that. I hope Rove's mind is full of scorpions!
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 04:03 PM
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77. IIRC they actually have 72 hours after an sealed indictment is issued...
It's not made public 'till then so they can either catch the guy (if he's a flight risk) or let him turn himself in.
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The Witch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 04:04 PM
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78. That jives with 24 business hours.
72 hours = 24 hours x 3.
24 hours = 8 hours x 3.

In other words, the guy gets three days.

Wednesday is Fitzmas!
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 04:14 PM
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80. Yep, Wednesday night or Thurs a.m., then.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 09:29 PM
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152. PLEASE make it Thursday.
I understand that nobody wants to wait but it's my Mommy's 85th birthday and think what a treat it would be.
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 09:05 AM
Response to Reply #78
202. 24 business hours is 1 day..
Period...Tuesday at 12:00 nooon to Wednesday at 12:00 noon is 24 business hours, no matter what industry you are in...
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 10:20 PM
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228. .
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mr_hat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 04:20 PM
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82. Why are going to get drunk?
This is the part of the story I don't get.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 07:36 PM
Response to Reply #82
128. He's Irish.
:-)
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LiviaOlivia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 09:17 PM
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146. Interesting
Edited on Sun May-14-06 09:31 PM by LiviaOlivia
Do you post over at Kevin Drum's?
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 09:49 PM
Response to Reply #146
157. No, I don't.
Who is Kevin Drum?
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 11:20 PM
Response to Reply #157
173. Blogger - The Washington Monthly
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com /

Pretty influential blogger - used to have a blog called "Political Animal"
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El Fuego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 04:24 PM
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83. It is a relief to know there's an explanation. Thank you!!!
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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 04:25 PM
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84. Thank you for clarifying!!!!! nt
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 04:30 PM
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87. Reason for the war profiteering corporate news monopoly blackout:
They can't figure out how to spin it--this, the mother of all spindulls--without Rove writing their copy for them?

To Jason, Will, and all the real journalists of America and the world...

:applause:
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 04:53 PM
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90. Some of them are perfectly capable of writing their OWN copy
and have no interest whatsoever in "spinning" it.

They're just going to wait until they hear the word from Fitz.

And can you really blame them? They've been burned before or seen others burned before.

I for one am not pointing fingers at them. Imagine how furious we'd be if they said it was all going down, and then it didn't.
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madmunchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 04:37 PM
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89. Thanks for the BEST Mother's Day Present ever!
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KAT119 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 05:04 PM
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91. Cheers-looking forward to Tues. or Weds.=A Binge for ALL!!
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 05:06 PM
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92. William Pitt you just completed my Mother's Day! WoooodamnWhoo and
Father's day toooo. Mr. and Mrs. Mom here!
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Bumblebee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 05:16 PM
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95. Will, any news on his talk at AEI? Was it really cancelled?
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demobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 05:42 PM
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96. Let's see...
24 business hours, huh?

Okay, 8 hours... Monday...

8 hours... Tuesday...

8 hours... Wednesday...

That puts us at Thursday.

So the Grand Jury meets Wednesday and Friday, so technically, if there is an indictment this week, then Leopold will be crowing that he called it.

But will the indictment have the date of the 12th on it?

And what about the target letter? We still don't have proof of that.

This just keeps getting screwier and screwier all the time.

Every story is more unbelievable as time goes on. I just don't buy it. More clarifications and inconsistencies.

This reminds me of being around a drug addict who is your relative, and you want to believe them because you love them and all their stories are always believable, then they keep lying to you and you keep buying into the stories because they just couldn't possibly be lying to you of all people... and the cycle goes...
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sheelz Donating Member (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 05:46 PM
Response to Reply #96
97. Stay tuned..
for more clarified inconsistencies.
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demobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 05:52 PM
Response to Reply #97
98. It really makes me wonder
Why the Truthout editors let Leopold's story run yesterday when a casual glance revealed so many parts of the article at odds with the rest of the article.

It really appears that this article did not pass through an editor's hands because it was so sloppy. That doesn't look too good for Truthout's professional credibility.
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sheelz Donating Member (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 06:49 PM
Response to Reply #98
118. There are so many unanswered questions.
Which makes it even more sloppy. If the sources are credible then aa investigative reporter would bleed them for information.

Truthout Managing Editor is Scott Galindez. You could email him, but I suggest you wait. You may have more questions in the near future.


You may want to check out Daily Kos too.

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demobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 06:55 PM
Response to Reply #118
120. Saw DKos
Some of those postings are brutal...

One of the Last Hurrah guys suggested Jason Leopold has been creating multiple accounts on their server and "defending" himself.

That's a pretty embarrassing charge if it's true.
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sheelz Donating Member (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 07:18 PM
Response to Reply #120
126. I don't follow DKos
so I can't comment on it. Nor could I prove it. I've heard the something about his Amazon book reviews. When I'm unsure, I keep that info on the back burner until more is revealed. :shrug:
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 09:37 PM
Response to Reply #120
155. Standard soap opera board charge.
Anonymous posters accusing each other of answering their own posts. The level of hysteria can reach lynch mob in almost no time on a weekend.

Hmmm. Lynch mob. <looking around>
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 07:00 PM
Response to Reply #118
121. Do you have a link to any specific threads there?
I read some there last night...they were asking the same questions I've asked.

I'd like to see what people out of the DU sphere are saying.

Thanks!
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sheelz Donating Member (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 07:02 PM
Response to Reply #121
122. Here you go
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 07:15 PM
Response to Reply #122
125. Thanks! Going to go read it that.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 07:51 PM
Response to Reply #122
133. I see the "I trashed Andy" crowd is reporting ready for action
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sheelz Donating Member (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 08:31 PM
Response to Reply #133
138. Let's leave Andy out of this!
Agree? :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 09:33 PM
Response to Reply #138
153. Sounds like somebody struck a nerve.
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sheelz Donating Member (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 09:37 PM
Response to Reply #153
154. It sure did!
Did it strike your nerve?
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 09:54 PM
Response to Reply #154
159. Anyone that screwed up Andy's medical treatments should be....
...strung up by the heels to the nearest bridge for the birds to eat.

Does that explain my point of view well enough?

Were you one of those people that caused Andy so many problems?
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sheelz Donating Member (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 10:09 PM
Response to Reply #159
165. Andy has nothing to do with this.
Let him rest in peace, please. If you have problems with a DKos posting take it over there.
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Scout1071 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 10:07 PM
Original message
WE didn't bring him into this.
That evil, piece of shit scumbag did.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 11:10 PM
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171. Yup. Just didn't get the reason for hating "Rove's indicted" so much
Edited on Sun May-14-06 11:13 PM by robbedvoter
Until I got to the revealing posting. It was a shock to me.
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Scout1071 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 10:06 PM
Response to Reply #133
163. Yes.
That piece of shit showed up.

Now that part of my diary is gone. I just noticed that whole section has been deleted in the last 15 minutes.

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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 01:34 PM
Response to Reply #98
197. That's precisely what's bothered me the most about this story.
I really, really want to believe the essence of it - that Rove's already been indicted.

But the sloppiness of the story and the internal inconsistencies trouble me. I just hope for everyone's sake that the essence of the story proves to be true sooner than later.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 01:34 AM
Response to Reply #96
178. jason leopold an admitted drug addict
you said -- This reminds me of being around a drug addict who is your relative, and you want to believe them because you love them and all their stories are always believable, then they keep lying to you and you keep buying into the stories because they just couldn't possibly be lying to you of all people... and the cycle goes...

and he has a book to sell to boot

i am not happy at the moment, i expected to see rove in chains by now, not to have to discover from a post abt the stupid national review that this guy is dicey

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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 05:56 PM
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99. The biz day thing makes sense...
Enjoy your inebriation gig tonight and thanks for this comforting info!

I will be going out to get popcorn tonight (for tomorrows fireworks) and THEN getting drunk in celebration!

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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 05:58 PM
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101. Rove is busily painting pentagrams and hanging goats from ropes
to atone for getting caught.
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 06:01 PM
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104. Hence Monday night's primetime "address"
Chimpass hoping his lame address will be Tuesday morning's news cycle headlines instead of the indictment? Sad thing is, his frigging lapdog MSM will do just that.
Laura Bush trotted out for Sunday's talk show, chimp going primetime on Monday... probably Osama tape or major overseas attack by Wedneday or Thursday??

Really hoping his fucking "diversion" tactic doesn't include taking innocent lives :scared: :mad:
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 06:26 PM
Response to Reply #104
116. let's just hope they don't take down an airliner...
...as many people think they've done in the past to grab headlines.
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 06:15 PM
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108. For the knit-pickers: He's working in the Oval office. This is not a TV
show. It takes a couple of days for the white house to process this and prepare to go on without him, regardless of how you feel about their job performance.

Imagine it's you. You'd need a couple of days to set up your office and family for your departure, too. It only makes sense.

Let's not make someone like Will quit this board because we're so self-centered we demand a CSI-Miami episode at the drop of a hat. This is reality. It makes total sense, as I've been saying from the start.

Honestly, whoever Kkkarl has in his office and life aren't guilty of anything but they need a day or two just to be ready for this. It is the white house, no matter how lousy they are at governing.
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Semblance Donating Member (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 06:20 PM
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113. Libby
No reason why it needs to be different from Libby, though.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 09:45 PM
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156. Will it be different from Libby?
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 06:52 PM
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119. Not really..
Edited on Sun May-14-06 06:54 PM by rainbow4321
My ex worked for an international electronic/software company (Defense contracts, chips developed for bombs, etc..) and the first sign of being layed off was security showing up at one's cubicle. Security badge handed over, escorted out of the building..their personal belongings at their desk to be shipped to them by the company at a later date. No time given for "preparing" their family or office. Family finds out when ex-worker shows up at home earlier than usual.
Besides, remember just because *we* are finding out about this now doesn't mean that this hasm't already been "processed" at the WH level. Rove and other chimp cronies know long before we do what is coming around the (corruption) corner.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 06:22 PM
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114. be sure to carry a can of Spaghetti-Os
Edited on Sun May-14-06 06:29 PM by grasswire
Wasn't it Boyardee that saved you from a mugging once?
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demobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 06:28 PM
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117. It was Chef Boyardee
A RED Republican produced product no less! Which means Will Pitt is a GOP Mole!

Just kidding. I know Will isn't, and wants to mean well.

But it makes as much sense as anything else we've been hearing lately.
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Patrick J Fitzgerald Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 06:26 PM
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115. Mulling Over Rolling Over...
Karl, are you thinking about IT?

tick tock...



http://patrickjfitzgerald.blogspot.com
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 07:13 PM
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123. Hey, Will - thanks! Appreciate the update. We WERE all hanging
by our fingernails...

What makes me give this story credence is the reference to half-a-dozen sources in one White House area and two additional ones at the RNC. Eight corroborating sources seems pretty good to me, unless it's another Vast Rightwing Conspiracy!

You always get attribution for stuff like this. Ordinarily it's two or more. This guy Jason has eight of 'em. AND the last time he went out on a limb, that Valerie Plame's network had been focused on WMD tracking in IRAN, I think it was two weeks before that broke in the majors, which finally happened.

Will, your checking in with an update is most appreciated! I had a friend who was first to report that a "white powdery substance" had been found with John Belushi's body, and he said until other outlets confirmed it for themselves, he felt mighty lonely out there by himself. So I sympathize. Hopefully we all won't be left hanging on this for very much longer.

And Will, I think your currency here would be strong enough to earn the benefit of the doubt. Unlike certain people we know (and loathe), you DO have political capital.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 07:13 PM
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124. Actually there were a few DUers that explained the 24 hour deal.
Jason didn't have to insert the "business" part in there, at least not for me anyways.
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Rosco T. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 07:21 PM
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127. VISUALIZE people... VISUALIZE....
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 07:38 PM
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 07:39 PM
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130. It's so he can give Bush a pep talk for Monday's speech.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 07:54 PM
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134. Be careful...
The Big Phoney is listening at all times. He wants everyone to be as paranoid as he is!
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tlsmith1963 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 07:54 PM
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135. Oh, Well
Rove is finally going to get his. I can wait a couple of extra days.

Tammy
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Prisoner_Number_Six Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 08:01 PM
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136. You're getting an AIRLINE PILOT drunk????
Damn, I hope he's on a long layover...

I rather thought it would be a business day thing to begin with- it's a fairly standard practice, is it not? No biggie.

As you say, the truth will out- as does Truthout. :evilgrin:
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pola Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 08:03 PM
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137. THANKS, WILL, you are the greatest !!
:kick:

May justice be done. May the Ugly Truth come out in the clear light of day for all to see.
Like all of you here, I want my country BACK.

God bless America !

:kick:
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Jigarotta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 08:38 PM
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139. 24 business hours, maybe Monday Tuesday or Wednesday?
Edited on Sun May-14-06 08:39 PM by Jigarotta
guess you mean we may hear about later than the 24 but...

I don't know what to think of it.

on edit:
guess it's Wednesday then. 8 x 3
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Balbus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 12:05 PM
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194. I've never, ever heard time described in that frame of reference...
Of course, I've heard 24 hours and 3 business days, but never "24 business hours." What's next? 24 lunar business hours?
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 09:53 AM
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203. Metric hours?
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 08:39 PM
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140. That was my understanding from the beginning, but that does make it....
...more clear for those wanting instant gratification.
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 08:56 PM
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141. I issued a statement to one of my fave bloggers who asked my op
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 10:07 PM
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164. "But this attack first, wait for confirmation later, approach is
not remotely a progressive ideal and reminds me of the very dirty tricks the RNC is so famous for."

Funny about that, huh?
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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 11:25 PM
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174. I think she nailed it
funny indeed. There are a few people who are trying VERY hard to discredit Jason, and I just don't get it. In every single thread, the same people....it's ...yeah.... "funny". They're working very hard, and going above and beyond the call of duty to cast doubt, to find fault, nitpick, etc. I don't get it.

Even if you're somewhat cynical, even if you want to wait until it's reported elsewhere to believe it, WHY would someone on this board want Jason et al, to be wrong so badly? Do they dislike Jason or are they fans of Karl? I don't understand the agenda, but it does kinda remind me of the tricks in the RNC playbook.

I dunno, I'm kind of looking forward to a very good week - one I've been waiting for for a long, long time. It doesn't bother me if Karl's fan club doesn't want to believe it - I do.


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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 01:39 AM
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179. jason has worked v. hard to discredit himself
you can google it, try "jason leopold" "drugs" as i just did

he is a drug addict and petty criminal, or says he is anyway, who has a book to sell

i am not a happy camper at this point
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 01:55 AM
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180. Hmmm, if he has a book to sell, one would think it would be even
MORE imperative for him to get this right, wouldn't it? Seems to me, one sells more books by being right than wrong so I don't see how him having a book to sell makes him less believable on his article.
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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 11:04 AM
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191. I did, although I'm not sure why
I googled it just to see, and it would appear Jason has, as many of us have, struggled with drugs at one point in his life. It continues that he went on to become an award-winning journalist.

I have nothing against former "drug addicts", as I'm a recovering alcoholic myself. It doesn't define what I do today, in fact if anything, I strive to be more honest.

If Jason has a book to sell, he would not be doing himself any favors by going out on a limb like he has, if he was wrong.

I'm just shaking my head wondering why I googled "Jason Leopold" and "drugs", really. I'm wondering why anyone would bother unless they were looking to discredit him, but I did it because I thought "well there must be something shocking there, to discredit him". There isn't.
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Semblance Donating Member (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 09:07 PM
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142. FYI, Byron York says Rove spokesman denies story
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YjQ4MzljZjIzYT...
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I talked with Rove defense spokesman Mark Corallo, who told me the story was completely baseless. Part of our conversation:

Did Patrick Fitzgerald come to Patton Boggs for 15 hours Friday?
No.
Did he come to Patton Boggs for any period of time Friday?
No.
Did he meet anywhere else with Karl Rove's representatives?
No.
Did he communicate in any way with Karl Rove's representatives?
No.
Did he inform Rove or Rove's representatives that Rove had been indicted?
No.
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insane_cratic_gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 09:13 PM
Response to Reply #142
143. Consider the source
they also have this bullshit up on their site too

DAVEED GARTENSTEIN-ROSS: The alleged government data collection described by USA Today does not, on its face, violate the Fourth Amendment or FISA. NSA Nonsense

THE EDITORS: President Bushs tax cutsand especially the well-designed supply-side tax cuts of 2003have helped the economy. Extending the Boom 05/09 5:57 AM



Looks like a jilted rag to me


Ill trust Will and Jason thanks
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 09:18 PM
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148. Nice find....thanks! :-)
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 09:16 PM
Response to Reply #142
145. And your point is....?
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Semblance Donating Member (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 09:17 PM
Response to Reply #145
147. It's just information
You are more than welcome to ignore it because it comes from that jackass Byron York, but it is relevant to this story.
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insane_cratic_gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 09:22 PM
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150. Bryon spoke to Rove's PR guy ..COME ON!
you think he's going to admit to that?

Mark Corallo is the principal of Corallo Media Strategies (CMS) a Virginia-based PR firm he founded in 2005.

Between 2002 and 2005 Corallo was Public Affairs Director for the U.S. Department of Justice and between 1999-2002 was the Communications Director for the U.S. House of Representatives Committee on Government Reform. Between 1996-1999, Corallo worked as Press Secretary to U.S. Representative and Chairman of the Appropriations Committee, Bob Livingston (R-LA). <1> (http://www.corallomedia.com/pages/aboutmark.html )

I find anything that comes from a PR guy to be unreliable. give my husband is one.. I've seen him spin shit like no ones business.

That's all he's doing is spinning and buying more time before the store breaks wide open.






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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 10:03 PM
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161. This from TalkLeft
He said something like "It's completely not true and you shouldn't be calling me at 10:00 on a Saturday night. You should be calling Mark Corallo

http://talkleft.com/new_archives/014835.html

Why would Luskin tell her to contact the PR guy and not just deny the story himself (even though he didn't know just what the story was that she was referring to)? Lawyers can't lie, they can spin, but they can't lie if they want to ever speak to the press about any important matters again. PR people can spin. That's what they are paid to do, isn't it?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 08:46 AM
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183. seems Ok to me as Mark would know the 'proper' thing to say.
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 09:55 PM
Response to Reply #142
160. National Review Online is a den for liars.
Waste of your time.
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electron_blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 09:13 PM
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144. 8 hours/business day, so 24 hrs = 3 business days? what about lunch breaks
are they included or not? By all means, give Rove plenty of time to get his affairs in order. Gag.
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corbett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 09:21 PM
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149. An Important Clarification - Thanks!
I quite literally will sleep better knowing this. It also helps me derive more giggles out of knowing why * chose Monday night for his immigration address. The resignation will happen and then * will change the subject, which is his best trick.
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meti57b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 09:52 PM
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158. Hey Karl I'd be more than happy to go to D.C. and help you pack your stuff
:evilgrin:
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 10:04 PM
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162. .
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Wrinkle_In_Time Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 11:02 PM
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169. "Monday at the very earliest, but more like Tuesday"...
...or Wednesday."

Are there any other interpretations of the phrase "24 hours" that you would like to add, just in case? Maybe it will happen Thursday if they have a long lunch earlier in the week and don't clock 8 hours per day. Why not just round it up, provide a buffer in case of bad traffic and make it Friday? Oh, but then there's the weekend, so maybe the following Monday, weather permitting?

Yes, I'm being sarcastic.

One doesn't have to claim "multiple independent sources" to predict that Rove will be indicted for his role in this outrage. That's been widely suspected since this first broke and quite likely from reading Fitzgerald's filings on Libby. There's no special prize for that prediction. It's when someone like Jason Leopold claims through truthout.org to have specific knowledge of events and time-spans that the stakes are raised. When those claims are back-pedaled by someone with your credibility through reports of "Jeez, Jason" clarification phone calls, updates are made to the original article and there is careful parsing of what "24 hours" means, my skeptical antennae go way up.

By all means: bookmark this post, add me to your ignore list (if you haven't already) and call me out "once the deal officially goes down" as you once threatened to do to "everyone who pulled that shit", whatever that means. Then again, you also said in another post that: "Doubt is good", so you really shouldn't have any issue with my post. It's all about the doubt. Big, big doubts. Allay away.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 11:11 PM
Response to Reply #169
172. I'm with you on this...
Let's be clear...like everyone (or at least almost everyone) on DU, I look forward to Rove being indicted. But the story of what Fitz has told Rove isn't adding up for me. First, there seem to be conflicting versions as to whether Rove already has been indicted, but it hasn't been announced or given up to the court or something. Second, I've never heard any lawyer set a time limit in hours when they mean business days. If Fitz told Rove he had 24 hours, typically that would mean 24 hours. If he said you have three business days, that would mean three business days. In 30 years of practicing law, I've seen a lot of deadlines, but I've never ever seen a deadline set in terms of "business hours" (as opposed to business days).

onenote
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 12:06 PM
Response to Reply #172
195. I'm a lawyer...
....and it is quite understood without saying so that when deadlines in days or hours are given, it means calendar days excepting when courts are closed. That is standard. Twenty-four hours means, IMO, one day ~~ excepting when the courts are closed. So, in this particular situation, if Fitz said that on Friday, it means Monday to me.

That is just my read.
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 01:40 PM
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198. As another lawyer, I'm also with you both on this.
Edited on Mon May-15-06 01:44 PM by Seabiscuit
Prosecutors, judges and attorneys who say "24 hours" mean "24 hours" ("one day"), not "24 business hours". If they mean "24 business hours" then they say "three days" (not counting weekends and holidays when courts are closed). The problem is, prosecutors, judges and attorneys never say "24 business hours". Never. They speak in "hours" and "days", not "business hours" and "business days".

The latest clarification doesn't pass the smell test.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 11:31 AM
Response to Reply #198
210. Or, rather, it puts the whole story in doubt (nt)
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Jazz2006 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 11:47 AM
Response to Reply #198
213. As yet another lawyer, I concur with
Wrinkle_In_Time, onenote, Hepburn and Seabiscuit.

It is ludicrous to suggest that 24 hours or 24 business hours actually means three days.



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DemNoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 01:32 PM
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196. Hey
Maybe they mean after "24".
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Robbie Michaels Donating Member (612 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 11:27 PM
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175. Thank you, sir
Gives me something to look forward to this week. :-)
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 12:02 AM
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176. I always figured (prayed) that it would be Tuesday - after W's broadcast
Also - someone who responded to one of your threads on this pointed out how they only deal in workdays. So, I figured my Tuesday or later wish would come about.

:thumbsup:
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 12:41 AM
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177. On Tues/ Weds I wanna see ORANGE SUIT and the PERP WALK
LOL
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 05:25 AM
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181. Later this week would be fine for the pig roast.
24 business hours (never heard that term before) could mean three days (8 hours time 3 days). Fine & dandy.

I'll have the country-style ribs barbequed.
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Left Coast Lynn Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 08:45 AM
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182. I'm willing to wait
another day or two. :)
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 08:59 AM
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184. I'll believe it when Fitz announces it.
It seems Pitt, and especially Leopold, need to restore some credibility, IMO.
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shaniqua6392 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 09:39 AM
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185. It seems like a smart thing for Fitz to do.
He should not do this on Monday when the entire media is focused on the prez and his immigration prime time b.s. session. We do not want the long awaited Rove blowout to be lost in the media frenzy of immigration. Better for it to come on Wed. or Thurs. when not too much is happening. This way the media will focus on Rove. Thank you to Will and Truthout for all of your hard work in trying to get information to DU. I, for one, truly appreciate your investigations in this matter. Whether an indictment comes down this week or next year, it is going to happen eventually. People should not take the delay out on Will or Truthout knowing how difficult it is to obtain the truth. Fitzgerald is a professional and is not going to leak out details prior to an indictment. "The truth will out" is correct. Be patient. It will still taste as sweet later. Really sweet!!
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 09:42 AM
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187. I agree. The drama of an anouncement by Fitz would be spectacular
It'll dominate the news for a week or more. (The WH reaction, the Democratic spokespeople in front of mikes. It'll be a party.)
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deaniac21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 09:40 AM
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186. I've never heard the term used that way, EVER. They would have
said in three business days. This doesn't really ass up.
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Monkey see Monkey Do Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 10:51 AM
Response to Reply #186
190. Exactly
It sounds like Leopold is backtracking to stretch the window of opportunity longer.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 01:41 PM
Response to Reply #186
199. Love the Freudian slip
:thumbsup:
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deaniac21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 01:48 PM
Response to Reply #199
200. Well.....the 'd' key is next to the 's' key.....
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 10:33 AM
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188. I think it is clear that Jason was wrong. Still, Rove may very well
be indicted, and soon. It will come out that no indictment has taken place, yet, however.

We now return to our regular progamming, which is now in progress.
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 11:34 AM
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193. how long is it going to be sealed for?
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 10:49 AM
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189. You are in an uncomfortable position
Having vouched without reservation for a story from someone you apparently implicitly trust(ed). If this turns out to have been something concocted from less than real information by Jason or his sources, I would imagine that we will hear from you how it all unfolded. If it turns out to have been an accurate story (which I have to confess seems at this point to be quite unlikely), then the risk will have been quite worth the reward as the scoop of the year.

In either event, I will continue to value your writing and will continue to look forward to reading more of same.

If we live long enough, we will all be put in a position of going out on a limb for having put faith in someone we trusted, only to be supremely disappointed. When its in the private world, it just stings. Publicly it can be humiliating, but through that, a real learning experience.

Love you, Will. :thumbsup:

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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 11:32 AM
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192. I am going to have some "FAITH" in Will, and
Truth-out editors, and journalist, Jason Leopold. Can't hurt to have some faith, and stand behind the people who have kept us informed for so many years.

I think the release will come at a time where the WH can defend itself, and I think that is what the hold-up is.. Not Rove himself, but the WH administration is going to look even more crooked than before...

I hate seeing all these "Doubting Thomas" threads, just cause people don't want to have some faith...

Since when did seeing anything in the M$M constitute truth anyway?

I would not doubt that the President's decision to speak tonight and use the NG will try to over-shadow the indictment of Rove.....

It is coming, I can wait.....
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 11:34 AM
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211. Aahh... a sprinkle of faith-based here, a dash of reality-based there....
It's great that DU actually stands ROCK-SOLID for something!

Because that'll help voters see the virtues of Democrats.

:sarcasm:
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 08:57 AM
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201. So, that means that today is the day, right?
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Moloch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 10:06 AM
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204. Is Truthout a liberal version of The Drudge Report?
First you reported that this happened on Friday, now its Monday, Tueday or Wednesday. I'd love to see Rove indicted just as much as anyone else here, but there's no point in reporting rumors. It makes us look no better than Drudge.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 10:09 AM
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205. What kind of crap comment is that? To what "us" are you referring?
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 10:17 AM
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206. I Assume That Would Be...
a reference to those who prefer to trust in blind faith rather than a critical examination of the evidence.

Naturally, I can't presume to speak *for* the other person (they'll have to do that for themselves) but in the meantime, that's *my* take on what it appears to be saying.

Why do you think it's a "crap comment"? Why all the hostility? Do you have some OTHER interpretation that would explain your attitude?
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 11:09 AM
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207. He's been a jerk through this whole thing.
Posters like him attack your post, and when you ask them questions, they flee.

He doesn't know WHY he "supports Will Pitt." He just does.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 11:19 AM
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208. Ahh... The Ubiquitous "Drive-By"... The "Hit-N-Run"...
I should have figured as much.

Always so very angry... so full of piss & vinegar! All the righteous indignation they can muster up in one or two lines! Rapid fire! Bam-bam-bam!

Then, just as suddenly as they appear, they're gone. Not gone for good, it's just that they seldom return to that sub-thread again. They refuse to be held accountable for their remarks.

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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 11:58 AM
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215. .
:applause:
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Moloch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 11:25 AM
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209. Us Democrats...
and particularly, us on DU. When we talk about such things as Rove indictments that never were and unfounded 9/11 conspiracy theories it makes us look kooky. Example: When the tsunami hit Indonesia, somebody posted a message on DU about the earthquake being caused by underground oil and gas exploration. The media seized on it and did their very best to make us all ridiculous.

Posting fake news stories here is the equivalent of Matt Drudge writing that he has found Clinton's black love child. We, as Democrats, ought to know better.
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novalib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 11:47 AM
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212. RUBBISH!
I, for one, believe the good folks here on DU -- folks like William Pitt -- before I believe ANYTHING the "main stream media" says! Why do you suppose the rest of the media suppresses the TRUTH? Because they are gutless wonders -- beholden to their corporate masters, and fearful of the consequences should they ever tell the American people the TRUTH.

You speak as though the story about the Indonesian earthquake being caused by an underground oil and gas explosion is false? And what makes you think it is not true? Why, because the media says that it is false.

And you speak about so-called "unfounded 9/11 conspiracy theories" that make "us" look "kooky". Just who is portraying those of us who believe in the TRUTH as "kooky"? Right again -- the corporate-controlled, Bush-beholden media.

Why do so many of us continue to believe the corporate media when our own sources -- PEOPLE WHO ARE LIKE US -- People like William Pitt and others -- tell us the REAL TRUTH?

We jump on the people telling the truth, and lionize the people who lie.

I just don't get it.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 12:30 PM
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216. ~
<< I just don't get it. >>

Obviously.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 12:43 PM
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217. But, what *is* the truth?
Jason Leopold wrote that Karl Rove has been indicted.

There has been no indication from anyone other than Leopold that Karl Rove has, in fact, been indicted. So how exactly do you reach the conclusion that Jason Leopold is a "truth teller" and everyone else is a "liar"?

I think I'm the one who doesn't get the "truthiness" argument.
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novalib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 01:00 PM
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218. How Do I Reach The Conclusion??
How do I reach the conclusion that "everyone else is a liar"?

I don't believe that "everyone else" is a liar.

But I DO believe that the corporate media -- beholden, as they are, to their corporate masters, who in turn are beholden to the Bush cabal regime, are MUCH MUCH more likely to lie -- and to do so maliciously.

The corporate media lies because it wants to cover things up. It WANTS us to be controlled. The Bush regime tells it which lies to spread, and like the gutless little lapdogs they are, the corporate media complies and tells us all little fantasies designed to make us believe things that are not true.

THAT is how I reach my conclusion. That and the fact the the media lies every day.

I believe William Pitt and Jason Leopold and all the others who speak the TRUTH TO POWER! They are the ones taking risks to get the truth out to the rest of us!!
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Moloch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 03:34 PM
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220. You speak of the mainstream media...
news outlets like faux and cnn. People who reported the absolute truth that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. Surely, you remember that. It was reported everywhere by people like Judith Miller.

Well.... THERE WEREN'T ANY WMD!

We were all lied to because it would further the war effort. The was daily vitiperation on DU and all other websites lamenting the mainstream media for this lie.

Yet, for some reason, when liberal press reports an outright falsehood and then tries to cover it up with flimsy excuses, that is somehow something to be championed.

When a media outlet reports something without checking out their facts or using credible sources, it cheapens the entire profession and causes further distrust in the press. This is the exact same thing that happened to Matt Drudge when he reported that Kerry had an affair with an intern. A free press is an important thing for any society and it is very unfortunate when it is abused.
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novalib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 03:37 PM
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221. ABUSE??!!
Just who is abusing the free press?

I hope you are NOT suggesting that Will Pitt or Jason Leopold are "abusing" the Free Press -- because THEY ARE NOT!!!!!!

The people abusing the free press -- what's left of it -- are George W. Bush, his thugs, and his toadies running the corporate lapdog media.
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Moloch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 03:56 PM
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224. Shoddy reporting is shoddy reporting.
Printing unverified stories with anonymous sources IS abusing the free press.

I agree with you that bush and his toadies are abusing the free press. That doesn't make it right for liberals to do it also.
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novalib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 03:58 PM
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225. Who Is Being "Shoddy"??
The only people being "shoddy" are those who are abusing Will Pitt and Jason Leopold.

They deserve MUCH, MUCH better treatment.
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Moloch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 04:10 PM
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227. Shoddy journalism is not listing your sources....
Shoddy journalism is retracting a VERY IMPORTANT part of your story. It was shoddy of Jason Leopold to put in the original story that an announcement would be made in 24 hours when he meant 24 buisness hours... When 24 business hours pass.. say that it will be announced Monday, Tuesday or Wednesday. All this from somebody who was found out as a plagiarist several years ago.

Guess what?

Wednesday is almost over -- there's been no announcement.

I want Rove indicted as much as you, I just don't appreciate being lied to by "TRUTH OUT"

Why exactly do Pitt and Leopold deserve better treatment? Have they been deified or something? Why is it that when they say something that is in all probability bullshit they shouldn't be called on it?
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 04:05 PM
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226. Kerry banged an intern???!!?
Edited on Wed May-17-06 04:06 PM by Common Sense Party
You say it was reported on a highly partisan website--thus it MUST be true. Right? :sarcasm:
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Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 03:45 PM
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223. So when he said it would happen
in 24 hours, and it didn't, and then he said he REALLY meant 24 business hours, you are fine with that? Your bullshit meter didn't go off?

Find me ONE legal document that refers to "24 business hours" in the manner that Leopold is talking about and then we can have a discussion. Until then, this is clearly backpedaling and CLEARLY should shed doubt on the journalistic ethics of truthout for anyone who is actually a critical consumer of the media.

You being 100% behind them regardless of what is said in comparison to reality is NO DIFFERENT than the sheeple believing everything that Fox spits out. NO DIFFERENT.
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Nimrod2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 11:56 AM
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214. Mr. Fitzgerald, which is it? Indict or ignite?
Are we going to ignite rumors or are we going to indict criminals?
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deaniac21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 01:05 PM
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219. When the truth is found to be lies
And all the joy within you dies

Don't you want somebody to love
Don't you need somebody to love
Wouldn't you love somebody to love
You better find somebody to love

When the garden flowers baby are dead yes
And your mind is full of red

Don't you want somebody to love
Don't you need somebody to love
Wouldn't you love somebody to love
You better find somebody to love

Your eyes, I say your eyes may look like his
But in your head baby I'm afraid you don't know where it is

Don't you want somebody to love
Don't you need somebody to love
Wouldn't you love somebody to love
You better find somebody to love

Tears are running ah running down your breast
And your friends baby they treat you like a guest

Don't you want somebody to love
Don't you need somebody to love
Wouldn't you love somebody to love
You better find somebody to love

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Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 03:38 PM
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222. The legal world does not mean that
If they said 24 hours, they meant 24 hours. If they would have meant 72 hours, they would have said 72 hours. If they meant 3 business days they would have said 3 business days.

This does not pass the bullshit meter.
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