We've all seen CSI, Law & Order, NYPD Blue, etc., right? (NSA issue)

[Roland99]

How many episodes did you see where the police had to get a court-issued warrant to obtain phone records?


I don't believe that aspect of our justice system is something exists only in the land of the TV.

[northzax]

1. I don't think anyone is saying

that this isn't a stretch of the Constitution, only that it is a neccesary evil in a time of war.

which is, of course, total and complete bullshit, but that's wingnut thinking for you.

[Roland99]

2. Well, the thing that's missing is just like the other NSA program....

that this admin could have obtained the info with a court-issued warrant.

They did an end-run around the law....AGAIN!


And no one in the media is raising that particular point on this latest finding.

[TechBear_Seattle]

3. I don't recall anywhere in the Bill of Rights...

... anything along the lines of, "These rights can be set aside when they interefere with necessary actions in a time of war."

[IntravenousDemilo]

5. Besides, you're not technically at war without a formal declaration...

...and doesn't that come from Congress?

[Roland99]

6. Ayup. Besides, we're not at war. The US forces in Iraq are a security team

The "War" on terror is just a slogan.

[northzax]

7. no, but there is historical precedent

that can be cited. Of course it's a bullshit arguement, that's the whole point. Fear is a great motivator for people to give up liberty.

[Darkhawk32]

4. Again, Roland99 is dead on! n/t

[originalpckelly]

8. When Joe Scarborough says there are laws against it, I think I trust him..

he has nothing to gain by lying about it.

I'll tell you, I completely agree with him about this:
WHAT THE HELL IS NANCY PELOSI SMOKING? She knew about this! I tell you what, if I were from her district I would try to get another candidate to run. I can't believe her! What a traitor to our party and our nation's beliefs.

I mean I just can't believe her. If I were her, I would be shouting at the top of my lungs when I was told about this.

You know it is sad when a freaking Republican has more integrity than the Democratic Leader in the House.

She seems like such a good person, I just don't know how she could do this. Hopefully, there is some explanation or something, but I just don't if she can be trusted anymore.

[Roland99]

9. Randi Rhodes was going off about it just now on CNN

"Get a damn warrant!"