Are Dem Gays truely against Howard Dean or is it the "Log Cabin" Gays?

[KoKo]

I've seen so many posts trashing Dean that I wonder if the Bushies haven't managed to fracture the Gays/Lesbians as well as the rest of us?

It seems a DU WAR the posts about Dean ...as if he'd somehow denied Gay Rights and was throwing us back to some "dark age."

If Gays are "Mainstream" then why would they ATTACK DEAN? What's the alternative for Gays but the Dem Party?

:shrug:

I'm not gay so maybe I don't get the "REAL FIGHT" on this issue....but if you TRASH DEAN then what are Gays really seeing as their HOPE for the future?

[xultar]

1. Who the fuck said Gays were against Dean anyways? I don't

remember that coming from any thread today.

Anyone else hear that? Are we taking it a little too far here.

You're making an assumption that Gays are against Dean and I don't think you have proof of that.

I think we're pulling the whole victim thing here and it ain't playin.

[homaffectional]

2. The problem comes...

from the right-wing run gay press.

Window Media, LLC is the company that owns the (gay) Washington Blade, (gay) New York Blade, (gay) Houston Voice, (gay) Southern Voice, (gay) Express South Florida, and is possibly also looking to acquire Boston's (gay) In Newsweekly. The editor-in-chief is Chris Crain, a notorious right winger.

They have constantly been playing a game right out of Rove's textbook, trying to suppress gay support of the Dem party, but at least those here aren't falling for it. But hopefully the new gay outreach person at the DNC will be able to do enough damage control before November to reverse the damage. I primarily blame Chris Crain for the fact that the difference between gays who voted for Bush was apparently only 2 percent less in 2004 than it was in 2000. The attacks on Dean are just another part of the coordination between Crain and the wealthy right wing that would probably want Republicans to retain control of the Congress after the midterms, and its gay members are no exception.

[xultar]

3. Give me a break.

[homaffectional]

9. Um... where would you like that 'break'?

What I say is true. Sad, but true...

Do the research for yourself. Search the archives of the Washington Blade, especially the editorials written by Crain himself.

[LostinVA]

4. I haven't seen this either...

[progressivebydesign]

13. Actually, there was an anti-Dean article on the front page of Yahoo today.

Andit quoted Log Cabin gays.. and other groups who sent back donations from the Democratic Party because Dean misspoke.

[TankLV]

16. Yeah - how dare we be insulted when we're insulted!

How dare we not be good bots!

Shit on us at your perill!

TREAT THIS AS A WARING SHOT ACROSS YOUR BOW!

[xchrom]

5. we make our own hope, thank you very much for your arrogance and bigotry.

[foreigncorrespondent]

6. Uh huh!

I'm not gay so maybe I don't get the "REAL FIGHT" on this issue

That's right, you have absolutely no idea what the real fight is about, so why even begin a thread that can be deemed rather bigoted?

As for the old "well if they don't vote Dem's where are they gonna go" bullshit. Have you not heard of just not voting at all? Have you not heard of a party with a platform that does support full equality? Mainly the Green Party. Why should we continue to give our votes to a party that is showing us just how much they "support" us? For the likes of people I see right here on DU, who have been rather bigoted in their posts and do not support full equality, so they have a better life not under a repuke government? That would be rather selfish of them to ask of the queer voters.

[TankLV]

12. Well stated.

Some people REFUSE to understand.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

7. They're p.o.'d because Dean said Dem platform is heterosexual marriage

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/05/11/ap/politics/mainD8HHPN780.shtml

Democratic chairman Howard Dean mischaracterized his party's platform on gay rights in an interview courting evangelicals, then set the record straight Thursday when an advocacy group called him on it.

Dean told Christian Broadcasting Network News that the 2004 Democratic platform declares "marriage is between a man and a woman" _ just one of the points he made in reaching out to religious conservatives who are largely hostile to the party.

But the platform does not define marriage that way, and his remarks prompted the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force to return a $5,000 donation from the Democratic National Committee.

-snip-

Dean sought to establish common ground with religious conservatives in the interview on Pat Robertson's network, a tall order considering their opposition to the Democratic Party's positions on abortion rights, gay rights and some other social issues.

[KoKo]

8. Civil Rights between Gay Partners are the MOST IMPORTANT...the

rest of it does seem to be between the States and the Churches to decide.

:shrug: But...I do have torn feelings on this....

[Der Blaue Engel]

10. Dean already said he misspoke

Can we move on from this latest red herring now?

[TankLV]

11. I love Howard. I'm against second class citizen status or worse.

I'm ashamed of too many DU'rs tonite.

I truely dispise what they've been trying to excuse.

Dean should be severly rebuked and APOLOGIZE - if nothing happens, don't be surprised when we respond with also NOTHING on voting day!

[progressivebydesign]

14. Wow.. one misspeak and you're dumping the party?

Hmmm.. hope you enjoy President Jeb Bush, cuz that's what we're going to be left with if Democrats don't stop using their vote as a threat to get their own personal interests satisfied. I detest the repubs, but I have to give them props for always circling the wagons to support their candidates when the time comes. Democrats don't circle the wagons.. they take their own wagon and head in different directions.

[TankLV]

15. Nope - YOUR going to have JUST yourself to blame if YOU

expect us to be continually slapped down and then expect our votes!

LOOK IN THE FUCKING MIRROR!

I hope YOU enjoy another repuke administration - because YOU will only have YOURSLEF to blame for IGNORING and MARGINALIZING US!

[dsc]

17. If we don't criticise our friends when they err

we can't criticise our enemies when they err. Dean went on a tv show that features Ann Coulter with a divinity degree. On a sane planet Robertson would be listened to about as often as a denizen of an insane asylum. No good can come of going on that bizarre man's tv show. My definition of friendship isn't allowing a friend to make such a monumental blunder.