Does anyone here LIKE any Democrat besides Dennis Kucinich?

[Proud2BAmurkin]

just askin because if Dennis Kucinich is the test for taking our ball and going home we're in trouble

The ones who are in office win their primaries (against liberals sometimes)and go on to beat the rePUKE and even if they're not perfect end up being better than the rePUKE. When you trash them you trash the DEMOCRATS who elected them.

A lot of Democrats are moderate not liberal. Ralph Nader won 2% of the vote.


:shrug:

[shireen]

1. Conyers Rock!

Bernie Sanders is awesome too, but not a Democrat.

Most of the Black Caucus is awesome, the only Congress critters with backbones.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

7. Agree they all rock. Anyone else?

Because the other hundreds of Democrats won their primaries sometimes against more liberal candidates and went on to beat rePUKEs.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

8. I SO agree

But, we've got to look to candidates now, the ones who will be running for the November elections.

Watch Jim Webb in Virginia. He is about to bust George ("I'm A Fuck") Allen's sorry ass wide open, I have a feeling, and Webb's getting my $$$, time, and support.

[WilliamPitt]

2. Me

I like Dennis, but like a lot of others, too.

[Mind_your_head]

3. Russ Feingold is 'pretty okay' in my book

:-)

[babylonsister]

4. I love Senator Kerry. nt

[LoZoccolo]

5. This Dennis Kucinich?

[Cooley Hurd]

10. Funny, but your sarcasm smilie is missing...

[Proud2BAmurkin]

12. LOL. Damn, thought I had a good example nt

nt

[Cooley Hurd]

6. Are you bashing Dennis??????

'Cause if you are, I'm tahing my ball and going home! :rofl:

It's definitely "eat-our-own" night here, isn't it?

[Proud2BAmurkin]

11. No not bashing Dennis or Hillary or even Lieberman most of the time

.

[Cooley Hurd]

22. I forgot the sarcasm smilie...

Of course I knew you weren't bashing DK - just riffing on your OP. :hi:

[Pharaoh]

9. Fiengold has balls

And H Dean is still fightin the fight, even though he's been somewhat reined in by the DLC,

I still have hope............don't give up yet!!

[OneBlueSky]

13. I like Al Gore for his stand on the environment . . .

but I'm still a little concerned about his past life as a DC insider/corporate stooge . . .

[Mind_your_head]

14. Senator Kennedy

Let's not forget Kennedy!

(and also Senator Byrd....another good Democrat of note)

[Arkham House]

44. Hear, hear!

For God's sake--let's just say it once and for all--Teddy is a great senator, maybe the greatest ever...he's spent most of his career in "opposition"--much like LaFollette, or even Taft on the other side--or, in Britain, Fox...but he's been as steady as a rock, has never wavered in his belief in our country's best instincts, and that they can be kindled and nurtured. Whatever his private flaws, his *public* life has been as impressive as any figure in our history...

[Mind_your_head]

45. Absolutely!!!!

Has their ever been 'anyone' who has done such an outstanding job as a public servant after causing(?)/suffering through such a tragedy? Senator Kennedy has done a lot of 'penance' for his 'sin', and the American people are all the better for it!

I just don't see much/any genuine repentance, 'penance', or public service, coming forthwith from the (mostly) Republican scum/scandles ~ because THEY don't even believe they've done anything wrong!

Quaint idea, isn't it? Repentance, penance, redemption *sigh*

edit: grammar

[TahitiNut]

15. The acceptance that he's NOT is what tells me "we're in trouble"!

I'm sick and tired of the willingness to compromise with evil and corruption. "Just a little bit fascist" is like "a little bit pregnant."

It's gonna get one helluva lot worse before it gets better. As long as the attitudes are to completely dismiss a candidate like Kucinich, we're assuredly in for many years of even worse corruption.

[LSparkle]

16. Barbara Boxer!

Biggest cojones in the Senate!

[ourbluenation]

17. PRESIDENT GORE! eom

[skipos]

18. I like any dem better than any republican. nt

[Mind_your_head]

23. I disagree....I don't care if they have a D or an R by their name

(it's all become meaningless for a long time now, hasn't it?)

The test is in what a person (congressional rep/senator) stands up or stands down for. Proof is in the actions (and the voting).

I won't stand up for anyone just because they have a 'D' in front of their name (or an 'R')....."fool me once, shame on you....fool me the second time, shame on ME" (for being soooo stupid to fall for this 'game')

[skipos]

31. I agree with you on this...

"fool me once, shame on you....fool me the second time, shame on ME"

Nader voters definitely got fooled in 2000, but 85% of them didn't let him fool them again in 2004. In 2000 they bought the whole "democrats are the same as republicans" lie. Too bad so many people had to learn the truth the hard way.

There isn't a single republican in the senate that is more progressive overall than the least progressive dem. Maybe you like Chafee more than Lieberman. I don't.

Letting republicans win is against my morals. Maybe that will change someday, but not with this current crop of republicans.

[CoffeeCat]

19. 80 percent of them are on my shyte list...

...and it's painful to realize that.

I'm a very loyal Democrat. Have been for years.

However, what we have in Congress is absolutely criminal.

The Repubs are criminal thugs. We all ready know what they are. However, the Dems are enablers. Their lack of consistent outrage is disgusting.

We are at a tipping point. Democracy is on one side and the end of our country as we know it--lies on the other side. Those who aren't screaming from the rafters are in compliance with the steaming corruption and thuggery.

Hang wringing and sporadic, ineffectual sound bytes that don't change anything--are not cutting it!

I agree that there are some VERY decent Dems out there. I can only imagine what they experience behind the scenes.

I don't know what is going to happen, but I do know that history will judge the compliant, almost-always silent Dems just as harshly as the Fascist criminal Republicans.

So sad for our party.

[BlooInBloo]

20. Lotta "get one issue wrong and you're fired" people around here...

Not helpful imo, but then you go into an election with the activists you ACTUALLY have, not the activists you WISH you had....

To adapt a phrase from an unmitigated jackass...

:)

It would be better, imo, if folks tried harder to keep the big picture perspective in mind when criticizing various folks for missteps on a specific issue here and there.

[katty]

21. Conyers and Feingold

[zeemike]

24. I still like Al Gore

I think he is one of the underrated Democrats that we have. He was talking about things like Global warming long before the others and played a significant part in the Clinton years.
And most of the black caucus has been there when we needed them and get so little credit for it.
I like Howard Dean and think he would have made a great president and things might look a lot different today if he had won.

[mike_c]

25. yeah, DK is a loser-- that's why he keeps winning in his district....

Sure, DK couldn't win an election outside of moonbat liberal Ohio if his life depended on it. Oh, wait....

[Proud2BAmurkin]

26. so does Joe Lieberman

that's my point. They win in their districts and its' all good.

[mike_c]

27. well, for the record, DK is pretty much my dem litmus test....

I mean, I'm never going to vote for ANYONE who supported the war against Iraq, for example-- that alone eliminates a lot of democrats.

[eridani]

46. Leaves 2/3 of them in the running, though

Mostly they do the right thing, but that other 1/3 is mainly good for getting the committee gavels in the hands of people like Conyers, Kucinich, McDermott, etc.

[Marr]

28. We should not like our party's politicians.

I never get into the cheerleading that goes on for these people. They're representatives. The great majority of them will do nothing more than serve their own bank accounts if left to their own devices. We should watch their performance closely, and send them regular reminders that we're doing so. We should tell them that we expect them to do the job they were sent to do, to represent the peoples' interests in the government, and we should toss them out the moment they stop doing it.

I don't particularly "like" any politician at all.

[sheelz]

29. Thirtysomething Working Group

is making a stand too.

[Geek_Girl]

30. Gore!

and I still like Bill Clinton even though I don't agree with some of the things he's done. I also like Boxer, Reid, Leahy, Harkin, Kennedy, Kerry and many others.

They're not perfect but they're a hell of allot better than the alternative.

[pansypoo53219]

32. Dave Obey

ron wyden, and others already mentioned. and that one from out west. oregon? ooh, drawing a blank. baldf and fiesty.
HEY, I'M FROM WISCONSIN, I SHOULDN'T EVEN KNOW HE EXISTS!

[Taverner]

33. Gore, Edwards, Dean, Pelosi, Boxer...even Kerry to some extent

All have their warts, but that's what makes us Democrats. We have warts and admit it, Repubs have warts and deny them.

[ulysses]

34. quite a few, actually.

Not all of them as progressive as Dennis.

[coalition_unwilling]

35. Marcy Winograd (opponnent to Jane Harman on June 6) rocks!

[Stevepol]

36. I like a whole of the Dems, but we need just one to stand up against

Diebold and electronic voting 24/7, everytime he opens his mouth. Just one who GETS IT!! Just one who can get his head out of the sand pit he's got it buried in and look around and tell it like it is!

It would just take ONE to get it and start telling it like it is to turn this country back to its rightful owners and save our democracy. And I'd bet in very short order too.

But alas.

[etherealtruth]

37. Al Gore, John Edwards ...

Russ Feingold, Carl Levin, John Conyers, Bill Richardson, Wes Clark, Ted Kennedy.

I like some a lot more than I like others ... I actively dislike a few (but, have no intentions of joining circular firing squads).

[progressivebydesign]

38. Did you miss the Al Gore lovefest a few days ago? We LOVE him!!

There are quite a few that I like, actually. I am smart enough to realize that a left-leaning moderate is our only hope of stopping the great elect-a-cowboy-fest that is the national electorate.

[sweetheart]

39. There, all the above. nt

[dogday]

40. I like Feingold, I like Kucinich and Gore

[dorktv]

41. I like myself and I am a Democrat.

I also like Harry Mitchell, Raul Grijalva, Gabby Giffords, Janet Napolitano, etc.

[seabeyond]

42. kerry, boxer, waters, conyers, waxman, feingold, clark, dean, edwards

biden (yes i like him), hillary (yes i like her but not president), schumer (at times), feingold (when she remembers), reid, lousianna gal at times, and others i am really impressed with that i dont remember..... a lot of the black caucus, dont remember the names but sure was impressed watching them on house floor

how could i forget kennedy, pelosi, gore

[sandnsea]

43. Love most, tolerate some, hate none

But there are days I'd like to stick hot needles in their eyes, like yesterday's appearance by Harold Ford and his choosing coal and nuclear over wind and solar. What the fucking hell. Argh.

[recoveringrepublican]

47. Debbie Wasserman Shultz nt

[rman]

48. Cynthia McKinney

[bestfightstory]

49. Kent Conrad and Byron Dorgan

North Dakota's got that much right.

[RebelOne]

50. Of all the Democrats, Dennis is tops as far as I'm concerned.

He represents all the issues I am in favor of. Hillary would be second because I would like to see a woman president within my lifetime, which if I am lucky will only be about another 10 to 15 years.

[Douglas Carpenter]

51. what is the moderate center??

recent polls by the Pew Research Group, the Opinion Research Corporation, the Wall Street Journal, and CBS News

http://alternet.org/story/29788

1. 65 percent say the government should guarantee health insurance for everyone -- even if it means raising taxes.
2. 86 percent favor raising the minimum wage (including 79 percent of selfdescribed "social conservatives").
3. 60 percent favor repealing either all of Bush's tax cuts or at least those cuts that went to the rich.
4. 66 percent would reduce the deficit not by cutting domestic spending but by reducing Pentagon spending or raising taxes.
5. 77 percent believe the country should do "whatever it takes" to protect the environment.
6. 87 percent think big oil corporations are gouging consumers, and 80 percent (including 76 percent of Republicans) would support a windfall profits tax on the oil giants if the revenues went for more research on alternative fuels.
7. 69 percent agree that corporate offshoring of jobs is bad for the U.S. economy (78 percent of "disaffected" voters think this), and only 22% believe offshoring is good because "it keeps costs down."
8. 69 percent believe America is on the wrong track, with only 26 percent saying it's headed in the right dire

Borrowed from:
LynnTheDem

a super-majority of Americans are liberal in all but name
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20051107/alterman
Public opinion polls show that the majority of Americans embrace liberal rather than conservative positions...
http://www.poppolitics.com/articles/2002-04-16-liberal.shtml
The vast majority of Americans are looking for more social support, not less...
http://www.prospect.org/print/V12/7/borosage-r.html

http://people.umass.edu/mmorgan/commstudy.html

Some more polls:

http://www.democracycorps.com/reports/analyses/Democracy_Corps_May_2005_Graphs.pdf

http://www.democrats.com/bush-impeachment-poll-2

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/living/US/healthcare031020_poll.html

http://www.cdi.org/polling/5-foreign-aid.cfm

[LWolf]

52. I like a few others.

Tolerate a few more than that. Have no use for most of the rest.

I think Dennis Kucinich and others like him are not the test for taking the ball and going home, but for whether or not the Democratic Party really stands, and works, for the people, rather than the corporation or thinktank.

If you are attempting to imply that we're in trouble if we hold the party as a whole to the standard that Dennis and others like him work to, then we're in trouble.

I don't trash anybody, party or voter, but I don't rally around bad choices, either. EXPRESSING DISAGREEMENT IS NOT "TRASHING." If the party and it's voting majority want to make bad choices, and leave the nation suffering the consequences, I don't have to play along, and I'm not accountable for the bad votes of others.

I am not, never have been, and never will be, a blind loyalist of any party or creed. The "D" on my voter's registration card means that I'm willing to work with Democrats who work with me on the issues. It's not a "get my vote for free" card.

Other Democrats? I don't need to trash them. They're people, like the rest of the population. There are people I like, people I admire, people I tolerate, people I'd like to send back to elementary school, people I'd like to enroll in the school of under-priveleged life, and people I'd like to send back to the amoeba stage of their evolution to start all over again. There are Democrats represented in all of those categories of people, just like the rest of the world's population. I'm not trashing anyone, but nobody gets a free pass, either. I don't do the "four legs good, two legs bad," or "Democrat good, non-Democrat bad" mindset.

[Rhiannon12866]

53. Dennis was my candidate, but I was willing to support whomever

was the nominee. Dennis and John Conyers seem to be the most proactive in the House, and I admire them both for that.:-)

As for senators, the list is pretty long: Kennedy, Kerry, Feingold, Durbin, Boxer, Menendez, Leahy, Byrd, Jeffords, Obama, Schumer, Lautenberg. I like all of them.:shrug:

And I agree. My senator, Hillary Clinton, is a centrist, not a liberal, despite what they say on the news channels...:eyes: