NYT: TIME FOR A SENATE INVESTIGATION! (Ray McGovern stirred the pot good)

[Harper_is_Bush]

The Intelligence Business
Published: May 7, 2006


We've been waiting for well over two years for the Senate Intelligence Committee to finally hold the Bush administration accountable for the fairy tales it told about Saddam Hussein's weapons. Republican leaders keep saying it is a waste of time to find out whether President Bush and other top officials deliberately misled the world. But Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld's bizarre responses the other day to questions about that very issue were a timely reminder of why this investigation needs to be completed promptly, thoroughly and fairly.

Unfortunately, Pat Roberts, the chairman of the Senate panel, is running it in a way that makes it unlikely that anything useful will come of it.

It is bad enough that Mr. Rumsfeld and others did not tell Americans the full truth — to take the best-case situation — before the war. But they are still doing it. Just look at the profoundly twisted version of events that the defense secretary offered last week at a public event in Atlanta.

Ray McGovern, an analyst for 27 years at the Central Intelligence Agency, stood in the audience and asked why Mr. Rumsfeld lied about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

The secretary shot back, "I did not lie." Then, even though no one asked about them, he said Colin Powell and Mr. Bush offered "their honest opinion" based on "weeks and weeks" of time with the C.I.A. "I'm not in the intelligence business," he said, adding, "It appears that there were not weapons of mass destruction there."

First, there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Period. Second, neither Mr. Bush nor Mr. Powell spent long weeks with the C.I.A., whose analysts were largely cut out of the decision making. And that was because, third, Mr. Rumsfeld was, and is, very much in the intelligence business.


More at link:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/07/opinion/07sun1.html?_r=1&hp


Amen. And....once again....thank you Ray!!


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[faithnotgreed]

1. another thank you ray

wonder if anyone will speak about this on the sunday shows or if it will just be about the cia replacement and spinning why there is need for the replacement

[Harper_is_Bush]

7. I think it's going to continue to smolder. Definitely Sunday talk...

will include it.

[Harper_is_Bush]

2. If you haven't seen the VIDEO go here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1102973

edit: be sure to check this KO Countdown vid at bradblog...it shows the full question by Ray McGovern:

http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00002783.htm

The first part that CNN leaves out is very interesting...the interruptions by the prick MC.

[Catherine Vincent]

3. And hopefully it will meet full circle with the CIA Leak Investigation.

[me b zola]

4. RumDum's bizarre responses--indeed!

Those bizarre responses, though, are indicative of what we hear from the entire illegal administration. The most bizarre thing yet is how there is ANYONE who is still willing to defend this admimistration.

Good on the NYT for not only picking up on the absurdity of RumDum's remarks and calling for a real investigation, but for pointing out that bush* has his stooges in Congress that makes all of this bizaro crap possible.

Don't let the pukes lay everything at the feet of bush*----None of this shit could have occurred without them!!!!

[alfredo]

5. Thanks for that piece. Ray McGovern may have opened

some eyes.




BTW, I noticed your AI avatar. We are forming a chapter here in town. We had one before but it folded.

[Harper_is_Bush]

6. I knew everything he said, but he opened my eyes nonetheless....

I didn't realize a person could be so effective from the audience. He tossed a grenade in a firm yet calm and quiet way. Not a grenade though...more like a cluster bomb. It continues to inflict new damage long after it was dropped.

He managed to demonstrate Rumsfeld and the admin to be liars not once but twice in clear, concise terms which allowed the content to become the focus of the aftermath in the media.

I guess 27 years in the inelligence business makes a person pretty darn smart!

[alfredo]

12. This is what speaking truth to power is all about.

You don't get into the spook business without being in the higher end of the intelligence scale. You have to score in the top ten percent to even be considered for military intelligence.

[Harper_is_Bush]

15. Yes. McGovern is obviously highly intelligent. He calmly tore Rummy a

new asshole.

[alfredo]

16. What a feat because rummy is all asshole.

[Harper_is_Bush]

22. LOL!

What comes out of an assholes asshome, I wonder. Whatever Rummy says I guess.

[alfredo]

24. I was thinking of "an evil wind."

[shadowknows69]

17. Think of the lives that could have been saved

If the press had the balls to ask these questions before the war or at least as soon as we smelled the BS.

[Harper_is_Bush]

25. Even if the press had been asking the quesitons they still had to report

what Rummy and Cheney and Condi and Bush et al were saying.

It was an organized duping of the public. The media isn't used to and was ill-prepared for the methodical BS'ing they were faced with.

Even now, they need someone like McGovern to tell it to them like they're two years old.

Rummy being caught in a lie as he was should be much bigger news than it is.

[shadowknows69]

30. Poor excuse

"The media isn't used to and was ill-prepared for the methodical BS'ing they were faced with."
It is nearly their sole purpose to watch for and report methodical BSings. They dropped the ball big time.

[Harper_is_Bush]

8. Ray McGovern has generated an editorial call for a Senate Investigation.

With one question from the audience he has generated fresh calls for a Senate investigation to begin.

When is McGoverns fucking birthday coming up I wonder.

[Harper_is_Bush]

9. Well....you can lead a horse to water.... last kick n/t

[joanski0]

10. Thanks for posting this.

I always get surprised when the NYTimes has a good editorial. I understand from Senator Byrd that Senator Rockefeller, the ranking member of the Intelligence Committee, is recovering from back surgery and won't be back in the Senate until June. Anyway, I love it when the Times shames Senator Roberts.

[Harper_is_Bush]

18. U R Welcome!

:toast:

It's hard for the mainstream media to ignore the simple logic of a 27 year CIA vet. Rummy was absolutely speechless both times McGovern demonstrated his lies.

The NYT is presenting the unaviodable conclusion from seeing something like that: time to start the investigation.

[teryang]

11. von Rumsfeldt is a compulsive liar

It is a mainstay of his political philosophy to lie. There is no lie too big for the press and public to consume with relish. This is the essence of the current version of Straussian Machiavellianism which pervades the neo-con totalitarian cadre.

[Harper_is_Bush]

14. He got caught this time though!! Have you seen the VIDEO?

http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00002783.htm

"They gave the world their honest opinion," Rumsfeld added. "It appears that there were no weapons of mass destruction."

McGovern shot back,
"You said you knew where they were," referring to the Iraqi weapons.

"I did not," Rumsfeld retorted. "I said I knew where suspect sites were."

"You said you know where they were, near Tikrit, near Baghdad, and north, east, south and west of there. Those are your words," McGovern shot back.

[teryang]

31. Oh, yes! n/t

[npincus]

13. one by one, B*shco will be hoisted on their own petard.

What's a petard?

[Recursion]

19. A bomb

A petard was an early kind of bomb (1200s-1300s); you would launch it by trebuchet or roll it down a hill at the other guy. It was rarely terribly effective at actually killing anybody but usually caused quite a scare.

Sometimes, though, your engineer would have set the fuse too short or too fast, and it would go off while he was loading it on the trebuchet or positioning it to be pushed down the hill, and that engineer would be blown up into the air and "hoisted on his own petard".

It comes, incidentally, from the middle english word for "fart" because of the noise it made.

[joanski0]

20. Cool! Thanks.

I didn't know what a petard was either. DU makes you smart!!!

[npincus]

23. why. thank you!

Now I understand what I said!

[indie_voter]

21. Yes! Thank you Ray McGovern, but

to see the NYT calling the lies about Saddam "fairy tales" NOW makes my blood boil. Where were these people when Judy Miller was force feeding us said fairy tales?

The NYT also needs to be held accountable.

MHO

That said, to give the devil his due, very powerful and spot on editorial!

[Hubert Flottz]

26. Can Pat Roberts be removed or demoted for obstruction?

Edit...last time I checked Roberts didn't own the USA! And he DAMNED sure didn't pay OUR taxes!

[Harper_is_Bush]

28. He'll be removed in '06 when they lose the house, yes? n/t

[joanski0]

29. Pat Roberts is in the Senate. And yes, if we win

the Senate, Jay Rockefeller will be the Chairman and he will do quite a bit of investigating.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

27. K & R.