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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 08:54 PM
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I don't think I can do it.
Vote for Obama that is.
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judaspriestess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:34 PM
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1. I don't think I know I can't do it
and I have made my final decision, I am NOT voting for the turd.
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Clinton Crusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:55 PM
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2. I decided a while ago. No way, no how
If I was ever on the fence, his supporters decided it for me, and if it wasnt THEM, it was his WIFE. And you know? I may drop his campaign a line and tell them that. Then the media. I think A LOT of people should do that.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 12:11 AM
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6. umm.. yes. maybe a letter to my editor is in line. I encourage all to do so--or whatever to get the
the message out.
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judaspriestess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 12:53 AM
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9. omg CC I thought it was only me.
I really really dislike his wife. I think she comes across like a complete arrogant asshole.
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Qanisqineq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 01:00 AM
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13. no, I thought *I* was the only one
I think she seems so arrogant and I have never understood why the Obama followers love her so much. I thought maybe it was just me so I kept my mouth shut.

I used to love Obama but I am finding it so difficult to like him now. I think he seems arrogant and the whole "see the light"/preaching thing is a huge turn off for me. I think my dislike of him started when he had that McClurkin guy (the former gay) with him. That really ticked me off.
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elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 12:31 PM
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74. I think we all some the same thing in the Obamas, especially Michelle...
a discontent with our country, an anger that overrides the pride we shall all have for the great things our country still provides and represents.

When Obama speaks it's almost like he has a difficult task to do and there's nothing good about it, but, darn it, he's going to do it. You know what, he's damn lucky to have been educated in private institutions - expensive one's at that - and to be able to raise a family and run for public office. He's not doing us a favor, we're entrusting him with a job and if he gets it he'll be paid handsomely.

And Michelle presents an anger that I cannot share. My family and I have worked hard for everything we've got and would do so again.

Why do we need to awaken the African Americans? Have they not been participating in elections?

I'm going to stop now. I'm pretty angry about last night and how it's being spun today.
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murbley40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 08:36 AM
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25. yep me too.
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feminazi Donating Member (911 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 12:56 AM
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10. I'm with you.
I can't vote for the guy. I'm torn right now between writing in Hillary's name or voting for McCain. At least with McCain, I'll know what I'm voting for. I'd never thought I'd vote for the opposition in this election.
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Justpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 12:42 PM
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31. With McCain you are getting four more years of conservative judges.

I am not a Obama fan and haven't decided if I will vote for him in the GE, but I will not desert
Democratic principles and aid in the election of republican nominee who will finish destroying
what is left of liberal thought in this country.

Just the thought of what McCain would do to the Supreme Court should prohibit dems from voting
for him.
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judaspriestess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 01:18 PM
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32. I understand what you are saying but ultimately
he is going to bring out more voters so he doesn't really need my vote. I will probably vote anyway but I will write in a candidate or vote green party. I am NOT voting for Obama.
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feminazi Donating Member (911 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 09:53 PM
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50. Well, Old Broad
I'm an old broad, too, and I understand where you're coming from.

But the way the Democratic party has watched silently as Hillary has been vilified by the media for no damn good reason makes me wonder how much I have in common with them any more. Maybe I'm not as much of a liberal as I thought.

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judaspriestess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 11:12 PM
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52. damn I'm 37 and I'm considered an old broad
too..... I tell ya, might as well just jump off a bridge now since I'm a has been and so are you ;)
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feminazi Donating Member (911 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 01:30 AM
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56. Then I'm a REALLY old broad
cuz I'm almost 57! Jesus, that does sound old!

back at ya
:hi:
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thetaoofterri Donating Member (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 01:52 PM
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64. Sorry, older broad here... 61
and I am old.

I can't vote for Obama either. I got ripped a new one for saying that a lot of his supporters are more like fans of celebrities than supporters of a political candidate, but I believe that. I see the correlation between Obama's fans and the kid who put the video on You-tube crying "leave Britney alone!" It's the same kind of thing, IMO. I cannot support a candidacy that embraces and encourages that kind of blind adoration.

This morning, I saw a small article and shared it in this thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

And, I think I have found a new word to describe this phenomenon: Obamincindent ~ The act or occurrence of excessive Obama reverence or adoration.

Anyway, I have a very hard time taking him seriously and I will write in Hillary's name if she not the nominee. That will be a first for me in all the years I have been voting and it's very depressing.
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Justpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 03:41 PM
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67. Hello, fellow Old Broads!

I'm the second oldest here. I'm 60.


:hi:
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thetaoofterri Donating Member (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 03:53 PM
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68. Crap... I am feeling older by the minute.
Is anyone here older than me?
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Justpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 04:08 PM
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69. LOL n/t



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Justpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 03:38 PM
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66. I agree with your point.

And I waver between outrage and disgust over the Democratic party. They have basically
turned their backs on Hillary. The media has become a despicable little club where it
seems no one (except maybe KO) can or will think outside the predetermined spin.

I'm sick of it.

I can't vote for a warmongering, arrogant POS like McCain under any circumstance.



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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 03:19 PM
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76. I'm not convinced that Obama won't appoint conservative judges himself.
He's expressed in writing that he believes "moderate" judges are essential.

Have you ever heard of someone described as moderate that wasn't actually a conservative?

Combine this written declaration with his near pathological need to "unite" with the Republicans and I weep to think of the appointments he will make.

AND: Try this. Go look on his website and tell me how long it takes you to find anything about a womans right to choose.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 01:26 AM
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15. I am so relieved to be reading these comments.
I thought it was just me.

I have watched her campaign speeches on c-span, and she talks to the audience like
they owe her something. She totally talks down to people.

I email the media ALOT - they do need to hear from us.
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murbley40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 08:35 AM
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24. Good idea, I'll also do that.
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kikiek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 06:41 AM
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103. I did send them a line after her I would have to think about voting for Hillary comment. That
did it for me. I thought about voting for her husband, and decided I won't.
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 12:05 AM
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3. I think I may simply redirect my energies
Should Mr Obama show up anywhere in my neck of the woods, I will greet him with a rainbow flag with "Gay Equality Now!" emblazoned on it. Or is that too lame? Too polite?

You'll have to forgive my anger right now -- but it's obvious that a vast majority of Americans don't care that they've voted for and are inspired by a man who associates himself with professional homophobes. I'm not going to be tossed under the bus (again) without a fight. And I don't trust Obama to protect a woman's right to choose, either. Just wait. There will be concessions.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 12:09 AM
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5. too polite. I do not trust him either.
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 12:24 AM
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7. And it's not just gay rights, rodeodance
I don't trust him on a number of issues, including the protection of a woman's right to choose. I think he's going to pass out concessions like candy favors and folks are in such a state of mass messianic fervor they won't notice nor care.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 12:27 AM
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8. no, i actually think many will come down hard then they realize his Promises are
too elusive.

For one thing--the repugs ARE NOT going to make nice.


Hillary has a long record of working for women children. Obama does not--it will be on the back burner if he notices at all.
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 01:00 AM
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12. We all know that McCain will confront him hard on these issues
That is likely to get interesting.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 01:27 AM
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16. He whines everytime Hillary throws something at him - and those have been softballs.
Obama is going to lose this election - and I am going to be beyond pissed.
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 01:51 PM
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33. right, that's my view, he can hardly take Hillary, wait til the GOP
machine goes after him.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 09:01 PM
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115. Yes He Is.
We will end up under President McCain if Obama gets this nomination. Not that it will make much difference as I don't trust Obama as far as I could throw him.
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 07:42 AM
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20. Anger is good!
It will keep him honest.

Please do show up with your rainbow flag. And make sure he knows you don't want to see him sucking up to McClurkin anymore.
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 08:00 AM
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21. Have any suggestions for a slogan I could use?
I thought mine were pretty lame.
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 08:23 AM
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22. How about
"No More Obama/McClurkin Tours?" Or some such thing.

Something that says exactly what your beef is I think would be best.

And it will alert the public as to what the problem is. Cuz, he is saying he's OK with civil unions... and it's hard to tell how he differs from HRC unless you know the history.

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 12:08 AM
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4. hey--i never thought that i would ever even think it, but after tonight, i am
thinking that also. damm
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feminazi Donating Member (911 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 12:58 AM
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11. BTW, Rodeo
Thanks for making all the posts in this group. I can't stomach GD-P any more.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 01:23 AM
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14. I agree! Thank you rodeo :)
Maybe we should all hang out here, instead of out there.
I cannot believe how low some people are willing to go.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 07:27 AM
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19. i use it as a library----take care
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 06:52 AM
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17. I can! If.....
Hillary is his VP.

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 07:26 AM
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18. Ha.. Love your poster. The pic is greast---ONTO OHIO Hope you are able
to get there and know on doors. I think that is the best way to help (if you can)
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murbley40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 08:32 AM
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23. I know I won't !
Edited on Wed Feb-20-08 08:33 AM by murbley40
edited for spelling
After his display of arrogance stepping on Hillary last night when she was speaking,well that was the absolute last straw for me. NO WAY IN HELL WILL I VOTE FOR OBAMA!!

And I don't want to hear all the excuses for him either, he is not getting away with this as far as I am concerned. I gave a lot of money to Joe Biden,well I'll just keep pinching in order to give just as much to Hillary and not even Joe Biden could change my mind now.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 09:18 AM
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26. I don't like the way he assumes
he has the LGBT vote.

He doesn't have mine yet.
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 01:59 PM
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34. and he assumes everyone that voted for Hillary or wanted
Edwards will vote for him in the GE.
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 10:03 AM
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27. I'll up you one.
I won't.

As a woman, I am nothing less than disgusted by the way Hillary has been treated, by not only the media but also by Obama's Jesus camp supporters.

Just one look on the main forum tells us that misogyny and sexism are not only alive and well, but thriving. I don't think this party represents we as women, and I have to wonder if it ever has.

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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 12:35 PM
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30. That kind of messianic daze will burn itself out
Unfortunately it will be the rest of us who will have to live with the consequences of American Elections gone American Idol.

I just spotted yet another post on GD: P with Barack posing in front of a Superman statue. One day folks will realize they got Elmer Gantry rather than the man of steel.
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displacedtexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 10:20 AM
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28. I don't want to vote for him, but I'm a Big D Democrat.
I just can't take a chance on a McCain presidency.

The Supreme Court alone will guide my vote.

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 01:46 AM
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101. well, i think of
it this way-

if in red state---it prob. won't matter how you vote.
so, write her name in.

i am in a blue state--just by a sliver went to gore and kerry.
but i figure this year the dems will go to O. based on last Tuesday (what a bummer for me and others)---so i figure i can right in Hilllary without a problem. just my thinking on it at the moment.
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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 11:43 AM
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29. It's heartening to see so many posts that
reflect exactly how I feel.

I think this may be the first election where I do a write in, or just not vote for President (just other local elections).

Obama is a supremely arrogant prick imo. He is so cocky he just assumes all Clinton supporters will flock over to him. Well, this one won't. I am so angry right now! His wife is a bitch too. Arrogant as all Hell.

I find it amusing that a lot of DUers think McCain will be such a pushover. I say, never underestimate him. A lot of people forget that he is seen right or wrong as a Moderate and a lot of people like him. Obama has had only softballs thrown at him from Clinton and he can't even handle that. How is he going to handle the full onslaught of the GOP attack machine? And how far is the "Hope And Unity" speech going to go before it really gets stale? In the GE campaign people start listening and a lot of people are going to think :wtf: when they keep hearing pretty speeches with no substance in them.

Until recently I thought I would hold my nose and vote for him. The Supreme Court was my ONLY reason. But now I doubt it. And you know, I don't even feel confident he will appoint Liberal judges. Since he likes to reach out so much and to me is so much like Lieberman in that, I wouldn't put it past him to nominate a "Moderate" judge...like Alito. :eyes:

I am so disgusted right now. I used to think Democrats were different. What this primary season has taught me is that this party has a lot of assholes too.
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:04 PM
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35. he assumes alot-he acts entitled-the GOP will chew him up
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 03:29 PM
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77. Obama has expressed in WRITING a desire for "moderate" judges
I think we all know what that means.
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 08:41 PM
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99. Yep, we sure do.
It's going to be a real fight for women over the next few years.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 03:20 PM
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36. I can't. He's been reminding me too much of Bush lately....
cocky, arrogant, defensive, mockery, all sizzle, no steak. Sigh, even the media defends him by attacking the Clintons. For instance, when Bill took on a couple of hecklers, he misbeaved, yet no word about the rudeness by the hecklers.

It's tragic and I've lost my joy for politics :cry:
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:02 PM
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38. he's the golden boy - the PTB want him-hillary & bill know
the prez game, the major international players - they will be, at least, less controllable than a young, fresh, newly minted Obama.
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feminazi Donating Member (911 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 10:01 PM
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51. he reminds me of Bush, too
He's just a taller, thinner, darker version. I keep waiting for the Obama smirk.
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 03:32 PM
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78. I would prefer a smirk to this:
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feminazi Donating Member (911 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 04:50 PM
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121. i hate that 'looking down his nose' thing!
*
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xmas74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 03:25 PM
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37. I have voted Dem since the day I turned 18
and volunteered for them before my 18th birthday. Some say I'm like this because I'm on the losing end but I've almost always been on the losing end!

I was raised a Pentecostal and something about his rallies reminds me of a revival show. I swore to myself that I would never be part of that spiel again-nor my child. And I adore strong women, since I hope to become one myself when I'm "all grown up". (I'm in my 30's and I know that I have years still until I feel like a "grown up!") But there is something about Michelle that is offputting and I hear it all the time in casual conversation.

I've never done it before but the Greens are looking damn good to me right about now.
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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:34 PM
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39. Here's my issue. I'm a floridian
and as y'all know our vote didn't count in the primary. That was very disheartening. I feel like my constitutional right was taken away in not counting my vote. My state has 210 delegates not including the SD. Florida could be the make or break state for either Obama or Hillary if our votes counted and our delegates seated accordingly. This makes me so sick I don't even feel like voting in the GE. If by some miracle our votes count and delegates are seated I will be pleasantly surprised. However, if we are ignored by the DNC, I will most likely vote but I'll do a write-in for Hillary because I feel she was cheated out of my vote in the primary.
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xmas74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 07:37 PM
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40. Quite a few in my area are angry too.
Obama won St Louis, KC and Columbia but Hillary won most of the state. It was decided by less than 10,000 votes that Obama won. I've heard a number of people who are quite angry and feel as if their votes don't count since KC and St Louis seem to decide instead.

The angry ones will vote for McCain out of spite in November. I can see that already. And my state tends to be a big one, since it's considered to be a bellwether.
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 08:03 PM
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43. Most of my friends and neighbors feel Florida is lost to the republicans because of the DNC ....
and that the Republicans do not even need to campaign here for the General Election.
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 08:37 PM
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47. To be quite honest here
I've lost all respect for the DNC.
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 06:24 AM
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57. I am really beginning to think that FLA and MI were eliminated *specifically* because...
the DNC knew they were Clinton Country.

Does anyone else have the sneaking suspician?
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 07:16 AM
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58. Yes, I do. There were many ways the DNC could have resolved this. They chose not to.
Leaving many to wonder why the DNC would do something this stupid. Why even the Repubicans in Florida are laughing at the rank-and-file Democrats here.
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 01:21 PM
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61. excellent point
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libbygurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 12:50 PM
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75. I have lots of sneaking suspicions about the pervasively anti-Clinton...
Edited on Fri Feb-22-08 12:50 PM by libbygurl
...atmosphere within the Dem party itself. Howard Dean's remarks about the FL and MI primaries and the superdelegates issue incensed me. To think that I took pity on him when the media pounced on him for the 'scream'.

I am most certainly not even supporting the Dem nominee if it isn't Clinton, that's for sure.
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 08:36 PM
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46. I'm really sorry for you guys
You got ripped all right, and it's it not like it was the fault of the voters. I don't see this coming to any satisfactory resolution because we seem to be lacking any real party leadership. A real leader would have found a way to solve this without punishing millions of innocent citizens in MI and FL.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 09:13 PM
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116. Either the Greens or a Write-In Campaign for Hillary.
Edited on Sun Feb-24-08 09:14 PM by Jamastiene
I can't vote for Obama. I figure all his Republican voters can carry him. They sure have chosen him for us in places that allow those shenanigans of Republicans and Independents voting in Democratic Primaries. Let him face the truth and HOPE he wins, because I see virtually no difference between him and McCain. I can't bring myself to vote for either of them. Neither has my best interests at heart and neither is good as president of this country.
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Freida5 Donating Member (649 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 07:42 PM
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41. I won't vote for Obama.
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 07:59 PM
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42. I would not vote for Obama now.

My husband, a strong Hillary supporter before I was, had already decided this a while back.


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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 08:14 PM
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44. I won't do it
Edited on Wed Feb-20-08 08:15 PM by BuffyTheFundieSlayer
Between Obama himself and many of the "supporters" he has I simply refuse. Let them suffer the consequences, whatever they may be. This is no longer the Democratic party I've known for so many years. What it's warped into I don't know but it's devolved into something I simply don't recognize any more.


PS: Anybody looking for a "refugee camp"? PM me. :hi:



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xmas74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 08:18 PM
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45. One pm coming your way!
I have quite a few female friends in Missouri who are quite upset right now over the way this campaign has turned out. One has repeatedly stated that the comments thrown at HRC puts the women's movement "back 30 years".
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xmas74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 09:14 PM
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48. And have now
added a message at the refugee camp!
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 09:19 PM
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49. Gotcha
Back at ya. :hi:
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 09:05 PM
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111. I pm'd you...
I'm interested in a refugee camp.

I have been an co-admin on another board for over 4 years and now find the atmosphere there intolerable.

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xmas74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 09:32 PM
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112. You'll love it.
Very sensible there. Hope to see ya soon!
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 09:49 PM
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113. I just requested to be registered. n/t
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xmas74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 08:16 PM
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114. and I hope you received an invite.
It's so calming.
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Qanisqineq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 12:27 AM
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54. there's a refugee camp for us?
good, we need one.

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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 01:34 AM
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72. Nor will I.
Ditto everything you just said.
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Clinton Crusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 12:02 AM
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53. I'm so rippin' mad about all this I can't see straight
I don't know what makes me madder. The MSM and their blatant Hillary bashing 24/7, the absolute sheer madness of these idiots in this country falling for his bullshit, his arrogant Jackie Kennedy wannabe wife, HIS total arrogance of saying absolutely nothing when he speaks (thanks, I've been to church this week), his lying, race baiting, people like John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, Caroline Kennedy (HOW can she say he reminds her of her FATHER???? :crazy:), Nancy Pelosi, McCaskill, and the rest, the DNC (got a survey from them in the mail today - gonna have a FIELD day with that!), or GD-P, which is like going into a den of a pack of wolves, I won't go there any more. I keep saying that and go back and get ripped from limb to limb - I don't know what to do with all this anger!

HOW can all these assholes FALL for this? I suspect a lot of these fools in GD-P are freepers and repukes trying to tear us apart. I mean we have open primaries wherein repukes are voting for this fraud in droves.

Now it's all over TV McCain is romantically linked to a female lobbyist. HOW convenient for Obama! I mean they have to make it EASIER for him, don't they?

This whole thing is so egregious and unfair to Hillary. She is so unbelievably qualified and she has done nothing to deserve this blackballing she has received.

Well, I'm writing to everyone I can think of. I've already written to Pelosi, Dean, the DNC, MSNBC, CNN, Kennedy, Kerry and McCaskill. I'm gonna write some more tomorrow. My friend and I are starting a group called Dems Against Obama. And there is no way in HELL I'm voting for this lying, racist fraud.

NO WAY!

GO HILLARY!

This breaks my heart.
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Qanisqineq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 12:34 AM
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55. I hate how everyone in GDP
denies some of the things they say are sexist. I mean, the blatant sexism is disgusting and I have come to just hate that place.

I used to love listening to Stephanie Miller. Now all it is is an Obama love fest. She claims to defend Hillary all the time but any piece of news that is twisted by the MSM to be bad for Hillary, Stephanie runs with it. When someone comments on how it's Obama-this, Obama-that, she keeps saying, "I can have an opinion, can't I?" Yeah, but 3 hours of Obama worship makes me want to puke. All the people that call in and are swooning for him. What the heck? They are worse than my fundy sister is for Bush.

I used to think Obama was great and should be president someday but thought he should get a few more years experience first. Now, I don't know if I'll even vote in the GE. And it isn't because Hillary loses the nomination. I've liked other candidates before and they didn't get it. Heck, I was a Biden then Edwards supporter. I was a Clark supporter in '04. It is the preaching and the arrogance and so much more.
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xmas74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 08:15 AM
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59. I've written to McCaskill.
She's my senator and I worked hard to help with her election. I also worked on her failed gubernatorial campaign.

As of this time there is no response.
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 01:23 PM
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62. she's is so pro Obama--maybe she is looking for a better job
done the road.
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xmas74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 01:34 PM
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63. That wouldn't surprise me.
I've heard more than a few women in my area complaining about how hard they worked for her and how they now feel betrayed by both her and Jean Carnahan.
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judaspriestess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 03:08 PM
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65. I was really surprised with what McCaskill did
and very disappointed in her. Her daughter convinced her it was more historic to vote for another man than vote for a woman, which is the real change. A different gender
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xmas74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 06:54 PM
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70. I know too many
who have stated that if another Dem runs against her they'll be supporting that person instead.

My aunt is still angry with her. My aunt supported her gubernatorial run. When she lost she proceeded to "shit on" state workers, claiming them all capable of horrible acts. My aunt, a retired state worker and a very liberal woman, swore she'd never give Claire a vote nor would she support anyone whom she offered her support.
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kikiek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 06:35 AM
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102. Had to laugh when one DU'er recently posted that the family values of the Kennedy's will be
returning to the White House with Obama. I almost choked.
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DemCam Donating Member (911 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 08:49 PM
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110. Yes...it does break my heart, too.
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 08:58 AM
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60. Let's all write her in!
Yeah.... I think I may. If she's not on the ticket, I'll ask for a write in ballot.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 11:00 PM
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71. I know I can't. Never.
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libbygurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 12:15 PM
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73. After his arrogance, lack of grace, and the mean-spiritedness of his...
Edited on Fri Feb-22-08 12:36 PM by libbygurl
...supporters everywhere on DU and on the 'net, not to mention his arrogant wife, I decided that I won't even lift a finger to support his candidacy if he's the nominee, and he sure as hell isn't going to get a single dime from me. I'm with Hillary all the way, and until she calls it quits, I'm not giving up. If this electorate chooses to vote again on the basis of 'likeability' (whatever that means in Obama's case, since I see no evidence of any charisma, or even inspiration in his dull, monotonous speeches signifying nothing), then they'll get what they deserve.

I still maintain that Obama is not a genuine Democrat, and is getting support from suspicious quarters. That well-oiled and well-funded campaign machine of his is not just a grassroots effort.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 04:24 PM
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79. I'm 54 years old
Edited on Fri Feb-22-08 04:26 PM by BlackVelvet04
and year after year I have held my nose and voted for some man I didn't believe in as a candidate. Good God, Kerry just about did me in, BUT I worked for him and voted for him. NO FUCKING MORE. The Democrats FINALLY have a viable woman candidate so what do Kerry and Kennedy do? They push a rookie black Senator to the forefront and pit the blacks and women against each other. My question is WHY? No longer can the Democrats take my vote as a woman for granted. I'm furious, I'm disillusioned and I'm hurt.

I've worked for the better part of my life for women's rights and if the Democrats can't get behind a great female candidate, and the young women don't appreciate what we fought to bring them then they will have to get off their asses and fight for it themselves.


Obama WILL NOT get my vote. If he thought he was getting Hillary's votes....and he was arrogant enough to say so....he can think again.

I wrote all the superdelegates and encouraged them to vote for Hillary. If you guys don't mind I'm going to post my letter.


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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 04:30 PM
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80. Please do post that letter
And you're right about younger women being unwilling/incapable of appreciating what older feminists did to pave the way for them. We see the same phenomenon in the LGBT community, I'm afraid. :-(
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 04:33 PM
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81. I will make a new thread....
sweetie, I don't know how you stand it as a member of the LGBT community and as a female. Jesus, one of those is enough.

I really think Hillary will do a lot more for the LGBT community than any other candidate.

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xmas74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 04:39 PM
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82. The young women DON'T get it, do they?!
I don't understand it. I live in a college/military town and most of the young girls are walking around, proudly displaying their "Obama" tee shirts and buttons. If you ask them why they'll tell you that HRC is "bitchy" or make comments about how she gives women in general "a bad name."

I'm 33 years old and I thank each and every person who has helped along the movement-and I hope that I will eventually do my fair share. I grew up reading about Susan B. Anthony, Florence Nightengale, Belva Ann Lockwood, Eleanor Roosevelt and so many others. And I've passed these stories along to my seven year old daughter.

HRC is the woman I used to dream of becoming. I might not agree with all her policies but I respect her. She has my vote not because she's a woman but because I feel that she best mirrors my views. She is the woman I used to dream of becoming not because she is a woman but because she is the best choice.

I used to think about the day that we would have a viable female candidate. That day is here and America still doesn't seem to be ready. Don't you think there's something wrong?
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 05:56 PM
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83. young women have simply assumed that rights
Edited on Fri Feb-22-08 05:57 PM by katty
hard won by older and the first feminists were somehow, by magic, not that difficult-they are the recipients of those battles, they feel entitled, this was never an issue for them-Obama is a cool guy who is MTV ready and he NOT their 'mom'- he's a rockstar and those are images that they are used to seeing/hearing 24/7. He is the guy that everyone likes and so they have to like him because that is the cool thing to do-conformity is preferred. Image is everything-and he is winning.
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xmas74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 06:37 PM
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84. They've never been in the real world.
Once they enter it they will realize that the war is far from over. I am only 33 and I still remember a time not too long ago when I was discouraged from majoring in physics because it was "unbecoming". My suitemate was in college only to obtain her "MRS." And nearly every girl I knew was either an education major or a nursing major. That was only 15 years ago!

So much has changed in just a short amount of time. They have no idea.
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 06:45 PM
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87. yes, agree, generally, that is the case and I am a few years
ahead of you and I have seen such a difference in values and views--very little reading of books or promoting the 'use of your intelligence', rather than 'just looks' to get ahead. It's all image and being cool-almost like arrested development.
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xmas74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 06:50 PM
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88. It is rather disgusting.
I tend to be on the receiving end of eye rolls from 18 year old girls every time I mention women's rights. I've heard the backlash. Many of these young girls now want to go back to "traditional values" and talk about the day they marry and become housewives.

The backlash is well under way and it's really sad.
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 07:47 PM
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94. well, it has in the U.S., I travel over seas, work and friends &
I really see this more with young American women-not in UK, Europe. Actually, UK and Europeans are always surprised to see young American girls/women acting like pop culture 'nitwits' with no real style as 'women' or the desire to exhibit intelligence, real charm or being 'naturally' feminine/authentic (?!) - including their lousy fashion sense-basically half naked all the time, with out a clue of sophistication. Of course, there are exceptions, but these are the images this country promotes, exports/sells.
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xmas74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 08:18 PM
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97. And there is no reason for that
to happen to our young women nowadays. They are not encouraged to have a thought in their heads-instead, they are expected to show as much skin as possible.

They look gaudy and trashy and they have no substance whatsoever.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 06:11 PM
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105. We've seen that in some of the avatars on this site. n/t
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xmas74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 08:16 PM
Response to Reply #105
108. Unfortunately,
this is true.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 06:41 PM
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86. I'm afraid they are going to wake up one day and
realize that they no longer have the choice of a legal abortion, that birth control is hard to find and forget the emergency morning after pill. They have no idea what it was like to be told you could be a nurse, secretary, teacher or stewardess....nothing else was open to you. They have no idea what the sexual harassment in the workplace was like. They are so foolish and too young and dumb and full of it to know that they don't know.
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xmas74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 07:02 PM
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91. I've ten years at the most on a few of these women
and I know full well what sexual harassment in the work place is about. I remember the Anita Hill jokes. I remember the pranks pulled on women after that happened. And I remember driving friends over the state line for abortions.

Those poor girls. May they never know what it's like.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 06:38 PM
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85. Yes, something is wrong.....
it's called misogyny and it's as old as time. It's prevalent throughout society and the sexists that are the most dangerous are the one's that don't know they are sexist....many of which are women.

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xmas74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 06:51 PM
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89. Exactly.
Women are often their own worst enemies. Men roll their eyes and snicker; women tell other women to shut up.

It makes me fear for my daughter's future.
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DawgHouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 06:57 PM
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90. In defense of younger women...
I have a coworker, 26 years old who is on fire for Hillary. She is very discouraged that her peers are (as she puts it) dazzled by flash and not interested in substance.
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xmas74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 07:04 PM
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92. I have two young coworkers
one is in law school and one will graduate with her bachelor's in May. Both are 22, female and African-American. Both are rabid for HRC.

Both women said it's nothing about her being a woman but it has everything to do with her being the "right" woman for the job.

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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 08:02 PM
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95. It's certainly not all younger women....
it's just so many of them seem to have no clue how hard we had to fight for what they are benefiting from.
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DemCam Donating Member (911 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 08:46 PM
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109. Thanks for saying what I feel
I just almost can't look my friends in the eye...those who
purse their lips when Hillary is mentioned...those women
who supposedly worked for women's rights, those women who voted
for Obama.

Mad? Yep...pretty much.
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kikiek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 07:25 PM
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93. I can't either. The hateful attacks against Hillary are getting worse every day. I will vote for my
Edited on Fri Feb-22-08 07:26 PM by kikiek
democratic congress, but I will be a vote without a presidential selection on it. If the young kids want to find out what it was like before Roe v Wade they're going to. My mother has been saying that for years. The interest is waning. The horror is just history to many. I am reading Susan Jacoby's book "The Age of American Unreason". We are being dummied down and lazy. I agree with the earlier post that says we are electing presidents like they pick American Idols.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 08:17 PM
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96. What they don't seem to realize is that so many
of us are past the age where abortion is an issue for us. We have continued to fight every encroachment on the right to choose but the younger women are making it tough for us to continue. They may very well have to find out the hard way, which is sad. But, good God, some of us are tired. I have other interests in my life now and I think I've earned the right to enjoy what my husband and I have worked hard to create for ourselves.



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kikiek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 08:22 PM
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98. Unfortunately that is the conclusion I have come to also. But it is time to let the next generation
do their thing. If they choose to fight I will support them, but I won't continue to bang my head against the wall.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 08:51 PM
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100. Unfortunately I don't know that it is the right time.....
I'm not ready to sit back and vegetate but we can't fight them and fight for the rights of women.

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feminazi Donating Member (911 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 05:17 PM
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122. agreed, BlackVelvet
Which is one reason I want to barf when I hear Obama and his converts put down the fights of the 60's. They take for granted all that those fights accomplished and denigrate the fight itself. Sometimes, fighting is all you have left and you damn well better be prepared to do it if you want meaningful change. The entrenched interests don't give up easily or just because you say you want to reach out to them.

Where would we be now if the colonists didn't fight back or MLK didn't fight back or the suffragettes who were jailed and force fed didn't fight back? Our rights were hard won by women and some men who were beaten, ridiculed, and jailed.

Some young women think abortion is set in law and can never be changed. They think that the glass ceiling is a myth. They're deluded.
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MrsBrady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 05:57 PM
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104. I will support the DEM nominee in the general, no matter who it is n/t
Edited on Sat Feb-23-08 05:58 PM by MrsBrady
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 09:21 PM
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118. hi, good on.
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Beausoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 06:13 PM
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106. Not until he apologizes for hiring that gay-bashing clown to pander for votes.
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DawgHouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 06:32 PM
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107. I thought I could
but I no longer want to be even partly associated with his supporters.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 09:20 PM
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117. i just saw 32 yr old threads out there--rape case Hillary defended. they are killing her.
i came in here to talk. wander if anyone is around
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libbygurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 10:50 AM
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119. Such grace and magnanimity from the current frontrunner. nt
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desi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 03:08 PM
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120. NOBama
NOWay, NOHow. That's all...
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murbley40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 08:52 AM
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124. yep!
Most of these folks,except me have now switched over to Obama. I still, more than ever know that I cannot vote for him, but I have also admitted that I cannot vote for McCain either.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 10:58 AM
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125. Then you are not a Clinton 'supporter', nor are you interested in
getting America back on track.

There are exactly zero reasons not to vote for Obama and billions of reasons to vote for him.

I knew that Clinton would have the decency, class, and pragmatism to do the right thing, so sad that anyone that claims to 'support' her has none of those.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 04:08 PM
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126. did you get lost? n/t
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 05:04 PM
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127. Most people here are.
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