KOEB 4-21-08 - Hillary's last stand edition

[SharonRB]

This should be good.

:popcorn:

[Patsy Stone]

1. Good evening

:hi:, Sharon. :hi:, all.

Think hell do the Richard Quest/Meth story?

[Berry Cool]

2. Hi kids.

:hi: Oh man, I am getting queasy already.

[SeattleGirl]

5. Hi Berry!

:hi:

[SharonRB]

6. Me, too, Berry

:hi:

[Berry Cool]

8. And thanks, Hillary, for the KOOS!!!!!

:loveya:

[SeattleGirl]

3. Hi Sharon! Hi Patsy! Howdy all!

:hi:

[SharonRB]

7. Hi, SG

:hi:

[Patsy Stone]

38. Hi, SG!

How's things? :)

[SharonRB]

4. Hi, Pats

:hi:

I hate to sound uninformed, but what's the "Richard Quest/Meth story"? I missed that one.

[Patsy Stone]

14. Here's a particularly salacious version of the story:

http://blogs.nzherald.co.nz/blog/blogger-bites-back/2008/4/21/cnn-reporter-meth-over-kinky-scandal-peaches-geldofs-shoplifting-row/?c_id=1501119

[SharonRB]

20. Never heard of him, but that's quite a story.

[Berry Cool]

32. It is pretty icky, but let's recall that some of the details come from the New York Post

and how much can THEY be trusted to tell the truth?

[Patsy Stone]

37. Very little

:hi:

[WolverineDG]

9. Hello all!

Back from my excursion to West Texas. Note to the State of Texas & CPS: We may have gone home, but we're not going away. :grr:

dg

[SharonRB]

11. Welcome back, DG

:hi:

[WolverineDG]

12. One of these days when this nightmare is over

I'll get more than 4 hours of sleep a night. :hangover:

dg

[Berry Cool]

13. Good.

I noticed that MSNBC is using the "Green Is Universal" and green peacock logo again. Does this mean we're due for a Candlelight Countdown with Keith? :loveya:

[WolverineDG]

28. Let me tell you it is quite interesting to be chased by the media

:evilgrin:

dg

[SeattleGirl]

17. Hi DG!

:hi:

[Patsy Stone]

40. Glad you're home!

:hi: And on such an auspicious night. OMG, he mentioned the posts and pan people, and she cackled when he asked her if she thought there was sexism used against her.

[WolverineDG]

Well, not for long

I have to go back on Thursday & Friday. OMG, you guys should see the CPS compound & the set-up out there. CPS was very "gracious" & has allowed the mothers & children 15 minute phone calls today. I guess there was enough bitching in the media about attorney access to clients. I was describing the situation to someone & she said "You know this sounds rather, um, German." Draw your own conclusions from that....

:hi:

dg

[SharonRB]

59. The whole thing seems like an episode of "Big Love"

[WolverineDG]

71. Hey, I have a contact

still want a dress? :)

dg

[Patsy Stone]

88. Here's an LBN story:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3277688

[WolverineDG]

102. I guess the judge sided with CPS (big surprise there)

and went ahead & said all the ones they could tell were under 18 just by looking at them (no shit--that's the actual testimony) were actually under 18, including one 27 year old who has a birth certificate & drivers license. :nuke:

dg

[Patsy Stone]

108. That's special

:mad:

[Berry Cool]

125. My goodness, is that what our Wolfie's been up to?

What a fine mess that must be. Dear dear.

You know what I find ironic? OK, I haven't been able to watch Big Love, but remember how Keith was supposedly on an episode in which Countdown supposedly featured a story based on their situation? Well, the irony is, here we have this big FLDS story all over the news...and Countdown has not touched it AT ALL.

[WolverineDG]

130. That may change in the next few days

the situation keeps changing & no one knows what the State is going to do next.

Here's a blog that is pretty good at following the story: http://blogs.sltrib.com/plurallife/

The Salt Lake Tribune has had some really good articles as well.

dg

[Patsy Stone]

72. Wow

Don't let 'em get to you. Good for you for getting in there.

And now let's talk about those Little House dresses. :hide:

:hi:

[WolverineDG]

92. Actually some of them look nice

Not that I would wear one. But there are at least 3 different patterns that I've noticed & the women all wear their hair differently.

Just so's ya know, there are people out there who are alerting on anyone voicing any kind of support for the FLDS crowd. Apparently, insisting that the State follow its own laws & the US Constitution are grounds for banning on DU. :eyes:

dg

[Patsy Stone]

112. I keep out of GD and GDP, thank you.

I looked for you on MSNBC this morning during their footage, but no dice. :(

[WolverineDG]

124. Yeah, they'd rather show my friend fighting off the cameras instead

they were the first out of the building & so got the most attention. :crazy:

dg

[ralps]

10. Hi SharonRB, Hi Everyone! Well we'll see what Hillary has to say for herself!

:hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :woohoo: :shrug:

[Berry Cool]

18. YES! YES! He's asking about the Umbrella of Deterrence!

You go Keith! :bounce:

[SeattleGirl]

19. Hi ralps!

:hi:

[ralps]

26. Hi SeattleGirl!!

:hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :woohoo:

[SharonRB]

15. None of this really differentiates her

All of this could be said just as well by Obama.

[bunny planet]

16. O mi goody goodness

I tune in and Hillary's finally figured out that people are listening to KO and she should go on his program.
Wowie wow wow.
He'll be a gentleman as a questioner as always.

[SaveAmerica]

22. I think this is how he will be also...

[SharonRB]

23. Of course he'll be just as polite as he is with all of his guests

:hi:

[GigiMommy]

21. Hello All!!!

:hi:

[SharonRB]

25. Hi, Gigi

:hi:

[GigiMommy]

53. Hi Sharon!!

:hi: Well that was interesting!

[SeattleGirl]

30. Hi Gigi!

:hi:

[GigiMommy]

56. Hi SG!!

:hi: Hope you had a nice day today!

[ralps]

24. But Hillary Iran Doesn't have the capability to create nuclear weapons!!!

:hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :wtf: :grr:

[SharonRB]

27. Ooooooh, he's asking about Bin Laden

[SeattleGirl]

29. Ooooh, he's bringing up Osama being in her ad!

[bunny planet]

31. Good question KO, bullshit answer from Hillary

Using Osama Bin Laden in your ads is the same fearmongering as Booosh.

[Berry Cool]

34. And now he's pinning her to the wall again!

[bunny planet]

42. she's smooth though. she just makes that face, and talks her way out of it.

Too bad, the Republicans aren't going to let you explain away your attacks on Obama by not answering the question. They either going to use your own words to attack you, or use your words to attack Obama. Great.

[SharonRB]

33. YES!

He's bringing up her comment earlier that McCain was better than Obama.

[Berry Cool]

39. She's trying to go on and on about McCain so she doesn't have to talk about Obama.

I want him to ask "So, who would make the worst president--Obama or McCain?"

[Berry Cool]

41. She's going to bullshit him on the sexist question and not give him an answer.

You can tell this bothers him, too.

[SeattleGirl]

35. w00t! Asking her about McCain!

And she's squirming out of it, of course. :puke:

[SharonRB]

36. He's asking all the right questions

Of course he is!

[Berry Cool]

44. YES! HE'S ASKING HER ABOUT SCAIFE!!

And she's cackling HYSTERICALLY at him because she DOESN'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY!!!!!

[Patsy Stone]

45. Oh, yes he is.

And to top it off, she gives another cackle on the Richard Mellon Scaife question.

Do you see a trend?

[SaveAmerica]

64. That was SO uncomfortable, I don't know why they didn't think that meeting would

be a bad thing.

[SharonRB]

43. Oh, here comes the Scaife endorsement

Stop cackling, Hillary!

[Patsy Stone]

47. LOL

[SharonRB]

49. Cokes all around, I think

It was at least a three-way mind meld.

[Patsy Stone]

52. I think Keith broke DU again

It's slooooow over here.

Cokes for everyone!!!!

UPDATE: It's running ok now. :)

[Berry Cool]

54. And I know I will be called sexist for saying she cackled hysterically

BUT SHE DID!!!!!!

It reminds me how how they say Anne Boleyn made jokes about her own execution! "It shouldn't be hard, I have such a little neck!"

[SeattleGirl]

46. I wish she'd stop laughing when he's asking her serious questions!

Squiggle, squiggle, squirm, squirm!

[SharonRB]

48. She sounds like a nervous schoolgirl

[Berry Cool]

50. "I BELIEVE IN DEATHBED CONVERSIONS"??????

Whose deathbed, Hillary???? The deathbed of your CAMPAIGN????

OH. MY. GOD.

HILLARY...SCAIFE IS NOT THE ONE WHO IS DYING.

YOUR CAMPAIGN HOPES ARE.

YOU ARE THE ONE HAVING THE DEATHBED CONVERSION!!!!!!!

[bunny planet]

51. She's not aware she's being used by the Richard Mellon Scaifes and the Rupert Murdoch

of the world. As soon as she's the candidate, which is what they want, they'll grind her up for her agenda. Hillary's laughing at Keef's questions was bordering on the insulting. I guess she never watched his program before, she didn't know he was going to ask real questions intelligently.

[Berry Cool]

57. She should know him better as a person, but obviously, no.

I think she felt on the spot and she reacted the way we know she always will when put on the spot...nervous, giggly laughter escalating into hysterical cackles as she stalls because SHE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT THE FUCK TO DO.

Is that what we need at 3 a.m.??????

[bunny planet]

55. Stephie's going to go crazy tomorrow with the Hillary cackle sound bite.

Or she can have a new one, the hoarse, lower keyed, mocking, disbelieving I'm being asked a really hard question cackle

[Berry Cool]

61. It gets higher as things go on.

Can you really imagine her in a tight spot? "What am I going to do, you ask...what am I going to do...CACKLE CACKLE CACKLE...Bill! BILL! What the hell am I gonna do??"

[GigiMommy]

63. ....

:rofl:

[bunny planet]

66. That should be a new 3am commercial

Hillary gets the phone call, and hears whatever, and just starts cackling. Never mind, an SNL skit maybe, not any decent person's anti-Hillary commercial. That means of course that in the slim chance that Hillary is the nominee, McCain can run that commercial against her.

[Berry Cool]

96. Yeah. And you can hear people in the background saying

"Madam President...Madam President...we're serious..."

[Patsy Stone]

58. GDP KO Threads:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5609537
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5609503
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5609488
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5609400
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5609309 (sorta)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5609210
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5609201

[SaveAmerica]

89. What's the word in GDP? I don't think I can go look, crazy has reached new levels in there

[Patsy Stone]

95. One thread against

the rest not so against KO. When I posted them there were few responses, I haven't gone back to read through them to get the word on the street. :)

[SaveAmerica]

106. Thanks for the report

[SeattleGirl]

60. KO wants to know why Hilary was laughing during the interview.

Touche, Keith!

And Touche, Richard!

[Berry Cool]

62. And by asking Richard, Keith just proved that he knows nothing about women.

I know, that will sound sexist too, but it's true.

If Keith knew anything about women, he'd know that one of women's favorite stalling tactics when they don't know how to answer a question is to laugh! Giggle or cackle, either way!

Of course, men do it as a stalling tactic, too...but they tend to do it as a deep chuckle, which makes them sound knowing even as they're casting about desperately for an answer.

Women are usually more transparent. We giggle airily ("Oh, what a silly question to ask! You can't be serious!") or we cackle ("Too funny! Please, don't make me laugh!") while we try to figure out what to say.

[bunny planet]

70. Did he ask Richard Wolfe that question. I must have missed it while I was typing.

It was really a tell with Hillary that she was doing that. Nervous laughter indeed.

[bain_sidhe]

65. ::timid little voice::

I thought it was a good interview, but he should have followed up on the nuclear Armageddon scenario. Scary.

Note, I still like Hillary. I respect what she's done in many, many areas. But I'm leaning even harder toward Obama after that interview.

I liked that he didn't try to berate her, though. That would have just made me mad, and less likely to judge her words on their own. He let her do herself in, and was respectful throughout...

[Patsy Stone]

67. It was a good interview

which I fully expected from KO, despite what GDP thinks.

I have nothing against Hillary, except when she cackles when she should be answering instead. :)

:hi:

[SaveAmerica]

74. Hey, do I get a Coke too?! Coke and a smile night! I wish I had more time to

research Keith's reporting on Obama and Hillary and how it's been, for the most part, fair and reflective of their words and actions.

[Patsy Stone]

85. Absolutely!

[SaveAmerica]

94. AAAAAAAH!

[SaveAmerica]

68. I love that you said that, I've always felt he is fair in reporting on Countdown

and if he says something he believes was wrong will come back on and apologize for it. It was a pretty good set of questions and you're very right about being able to judge her on the merit of her answers.

[Berry Cool]

93. Keith was not a happy man with Hillary tonight.

He was essentially asking her: "Why was it that when MY principles felt so compromised by what I felt I was doing to YOU that I couldn't live with it and I left my job, yet when YOU were faced with the decision of whether to shut up and make nice with a person who was your sworn enemy and who I hated because of what he was doing to you...YOU chose to kiss and make up with him?"

And she was LAUGHING.

I think that quite literally hurt him. I'm not kidding.

I think he really felt lost and betrayed.

[bain_sidhe]

119. That laughing was the second worst thing in the interview

The first being the "promise" of a nuclear response if Iran conducted a nuclear attack on Israel.

Yes, it was, in a sense, a "freebie" because I don't think anybody really thinks that Iran is anywhere close to being able to carry out a nuclear attack. But it squicked me, because there are other unstable countries (::cough::Pakistan::cough::) who do have that ability.

It was pandering to Israel, and it was pandering to war-mongers, and I didn't like it one little bit.

[Berry Cool]

128. Exactly. Iran isn't anywhere near having a nuke and she knows it.

But she's gotta rattle the damn saber because she thinks she will persuade the undecideds that she's hawkish enough and not wimpy like other Dems. And, of course, wave the pro-Israel flag, playing pander bear to the Jewish vote.

[SaveAmerica]

121. I agree with you 100%, so many people are horrible to him in GDP but haven't seen the the whole

story, don't know the history. Would it be worth my time to come up with a timeline of his comments about the candidates and how it matched their actions? Or should I just let it go, because those who are so horrible will never see it the way it is?

(PS are you going to take this observation to GDP?)

[bain_sidhe]

126. I've been in GDP a bit

If the Countdown threads are still active, maybe. But any thing that sounds sympathetic to Hillary there gets swarmed, and I won't bash her just to "get along."

I've been very saddened by her campaign. But she has spent literaly years fighting for causes I believe in, and I refuse to join in with the "she's evil" crowd.

[Berry Cool]

129. Go for it, SaveAmerica.

I'll let someone else defend him for a change. :-)

[bain_sidhe]

120. No, he frequently bashes her

I don't mean criticizing her actions or policies--many of which are worthy of criticism, and I often agree with him. But I mean outright, meanspirited bashing. And when he does that, I just get mad at him instead of paying any attention to the point he's trying to make. I was afraid he'd be snarky with her tonight, but he's too classy for that. That's why I say it was a good interview. He let US see for OURSELVES, instead of trying to mock or ridicule "us" (the audience) into disliking her.

[Berry Cool]

131. Well, you know I disagree with you.

I have not seen any meanspiritedness from him. Snark, yes. But snark is not always meanspirited. I grew up in a VERY snarky family, and snark is how we show affection. Outsiders are sometimes shocked and can't believe we spend so much time "insulting" each other. But it's not meanspirited insulting, it's snark. I am gathering Keith's family was much like this, and it is just how he expresses himself, and you're misinterpreting him.

Here's an example. Keith says that when he was a kid he was a total failure at all sports, including his favorite, baseball--he was a totally klutzy Little League dropout. About this, his parents said (according to him): "Son, it's not important whether you win or lose--what's important is that nobody knows you're our son."

I'm sure that to some people, this would make them sound like the cruelest parents in the world. But I have a feeling that by the time they said it to him, he knew it was not meant sincerely, but was just their affectionate snark.

I can't think of a single interview in which I have ever felt Keith was trying to do anything but let us see his subject as he or she is. No mockery, no ridicule. He sits back and lets the answers to the questions tell the story.

[bain_sidhe]

134. You're right about the interviews

He's always respectful, and I should have known he'd be the same with her.

But, by the "meanspirited"... well, of course right now I can't come up with any off the top of my head. I don't dwell on it, after all. But it's mostly been in those "leading questions" he sometimes does with his "correspondents" (not "guests," but his regulars like Wolfe and Robinson) where he puts the spin in before the interviewee gets to answer the question. I remember a couple of times just feeling incensed at the way he put the question, and not even hearing the answer.

See, the thing is, I'm not one of those who cry SEXISM! everytime somebody criticizes Hillary. But I feel very personally pleased that a woman has gotten this far in the presidential campaign. So, especially if I feel the criticism is unfair, or the coverage is biased, I do feel a personal "sting" about it. I try to keep a level head about it all, because, after all, I think Obama would have a better chance in the general election. But. Still. It's there.

**edit: I KNEW that word looked wrong!**

[Botany]

69. Condi brings gas to the fire

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3186788

The only thing she didn't say was "bring em on."

BTW Hillary looked real nervous w/ "why did you talk to
Richard Mellon Scaife?"

[SharonRB]

73. Finally pics of my car:

[Patsy Stone]

76. Agent 99!

She's adorable!

Mazel Tov! :toast:

[SharonRB]

81. Thanks!

I really love her. She's so much fun to drive.

[SeattleGirl]

77. Very cute!

I have to confess, though, I could never ever drive something like that. It would be too scary, with all the big rigs and SUV's around.

[SharonRB]

87. Thanks, SG

It's actually not bad at all on the freeway.

[SeattleGirl]

97. This is where my fear of such small vehicles comes from:

My Taurus, after it was hit by a Dodge Ram pickup truck going 70 mph.

[SharonRB]

101. Oooh, were you hurt?

I hope not.

[SeattleGirl]

109. Hardly at all.

I did end up with some swelling in my left wrist, and on the left side of my neck, and both of us were sore as hell, but we came out of it all right overall.

Believe it or not, the car was still driveable. Happened on Christmas Eve 2001 on our way down to Oregon to see my family. Made it the rest of the way down and back home (getting many funny looks on the way). It cost over $8000 to repair, but the shop I took it to did top notch work.

[SharonRB]

113. Looked like it was all rear end damage

I'm not that surprised it still drove, actually. Glad you were okay.

[SeattleGirl]

117. It was off-center, which is why I was surprised it was still driveable.

Didn't get knocked out of alignment.

[GigiMommy]

118. Oh My...

:wow: Were you OK?

[SeattleGirl]

123. Yep.

Pretty sore, of course, and had some wrist and neck swelling, but overall, we came out of it just fine. So did the Christmas presents which were in the trunk. Only our video camera bit the dust.

[Berry Cool]

132. Yeesh!

I admit, I'd probably be scared to drive a tiny car too. Then again, I don't like driving anyway.

[ralps]

82. That's a really Cool car SharonRB! What's the gas milage?

:hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :woohoo:

[SharonRB]

99. I've only had it a couple of days, but

it's supposed to get 36 city, 41 highway. Some people are getting 50+, though.

[bunny planet]

84. Oh my goodness, that is so cute. I didn't know you'd actually gotten it.

I just showed it to Mr. Bunny, he's intrigued. Can you tell me more about it. I'm trying to lobby for a car like this when our crappy second car (American Dodge) finally dies on us.

[SharonRB]

104. Let's talk soon and I can fill you in

[bunny planet]

107. ok do k

[Berry Cool]

110. It's as cute as a bug in a rug!

Really!

[SharonRB]

114. Thanks, Berry

[GigiMommy]

115. Ooooooooooooooo!!!!

:headbang: :applause: :loveya: HAD TO SHOW CASSIE!! WE LOVE IT!!!

[SharonRB]

116. Thanks, Gigi!

[RevCheesehead]

135. I especially like the placement...

of the bumpersticker, so other drivers see "Smart" and "Obama" together.

Very nice! :thumbsup:

[ralps]

75. Yay Keith's covering McCain's Sunday interview!!

:hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :woohoo:

[Patsy Stone]

78. It's great to see Eugene Robinson in the studio.

:hi:, ralps!

[ralps]

83. Hi Patsy!

:hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :woohoo:

[bunny planet]

79. Mr. Robinson has become one of my favorite commentators on Keith's show.

He is good humored, intelligent, and just seems to be an all around nice guy and astute person.

[Patsy Stone]

80. Yes, ma'am!

:hi:, doll!

[bunny planet]

86. Hi back atcha doll.

:hi:

[ralps]

90. Today's worst person in the world is John C LaField He's a Fox News Business

Analyst & A promoter of a Sex Potion!!! LOL :hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :woohoo: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Berry Cool]

111. And it's Berry-based!

Why, Keith...don't you want some???? :rofl:

[RevCheesehead]

136. I'm so glad you heard that!

:rofl:

[bunny planet]

91. So can we get Rove before the Senate to testify under oath about Siegelman already

so we can get him removed from any position of influence at all while he's fighting off another indictment.

Please, pretty please with sugar on top.

[bunny planet]

98. OMG Its Baracky!!!!

This is too mucking fuch.

[bunny planet]

100. Me thinks KO is getting back at Hillary for the laughing during his questions

with the Baracky bit!!!!!

[GigiMommy]

103. My Brother showed me this yesterday.

:popcorn:

[GigiMommy]

105. RACHEL!!!

:loveya: :loveya: :loveya:

[Berry Cool]

122. My favorite response on one of the other Keith threads

as to why Keith didn't shut Hillary up when she cackled and cackled.

TahitiNut said: "Maybe Keith needs the eggs." :rofl:

[WolverineDG]

127. Uh oh

the pots & pans crowd ain't gonna like that!! Bad TahitiNut! Bad! :spank:

dg

[Patsy Stone]

133. ...

:spray: