Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

John Edwards and poverty: love the message, kill the messenger

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Democrats Donate to DU
 
Squigglenob Donating Member (83 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 06:09 PM
Original message
John Edwards and poverty: love the message, kill the messenger
Today in the Washington Post, E.J. Dionne looks at the Democratic candidates and confirms that a new populist message is taking hold:

Quietly, a new anti-poverty consensus — reflected in the dueling speeches Edwards and Obama gave this week — is being born. It stresses personal and parental responsibility while also addressing economic changes that are promoting inequality. It seeks to deal with the growing isolation of the poor, the need for early intervention in the lives of poor children and the importance of increasing the economic rewards for what is now low-wage work.


This is the correct path to take–building the foundations of a stronger working class through better pay, better working conditions, more protections for families and emphasis on responsibility, personal pride, and ambition as a virtue rather than vice. And Dionne acknowledges what the Times' Robin Toner pointed out earlier–that Obama and Clinton are taking their cues from Edwards in sharpening their focus on economic issues.

So, here's the question: If Edwards is the clear leader and thinker on these issues, why is he still trailing so far behind in the polls and fundraising?

The first answer is simple... read more at Scholars & Rogues
Refresh | 0 Recommendations Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 06:10 PM
Response to Original message
1. Because We Want Hillary and Obama To Run Interference
Let them catch all the crap from the MSM and the GOP, and retire bloody, beaten and bowed, so that Edwards has the field clear for a touchdown.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
goodgd_yall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 06:14 PM
Response to Original message
2. Corporations have TREMENDOUS power
Edited on Sat Jul-21-07 06:18 PM by goodgd_yall
and many voting Americans, including Democrats, are in denial of how widespread poverty is in this country. Edwards is still the only candidate of the top tier that is stressing the message of poverty in America, not Clinton or Obama.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 06:21 PM
Response to Original message
3. There's a presupposition in your question
Namely, that "Edwards is the clear leader and thinker on these issues."

I'm not sure everyone would agree with that part of your statement. Some may feel that while Edwards clearly has been talking about these issues a lot, that he may not have walked the issues as well as, say, a Clinton, who has been engaged in the issues for many decades (back in Arkansas, in the WH, and as a Senator) or an Obama, who actually worked in impoverished communities as an organizer, or a Richardson, who as governor of a state has had to deal directly with issues of poverty. What I'm saying is that talking, taking tours, and issuing policy statements is not always the only barometer that people use in judging whether a candidate is "leading" on a particular issue. It's also not the only issue, either, which could explain some things in regard to your question about trailing.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 05:43 AM
Response to Reply #3
8. If Hillary cared about the poor, she'd have divorced Bill for sigining Rush Limbaugh's welfare bill.
Edited on Fri Aug-10-07 05:49 AM by Ken Burch
Instead, she said nothing as Bill abandoned the poor forever, and then didn't gain a single vote for doing it.

Nobody who can still defend the signing of that act has any right to claim they feel compassion towards the poor. It was based on a lie and hurt millions of people who had done nothing wrong. And it's sickening that DLC'ers still brag about it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 06:33 PM
Response to Original message
4. One of these guys is going to be the other's VP.
And if Edwards is the VP, this will be the headline: "Always the Bridesmaid"

You read it here first.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 08:41 PM
Response to Original message
5. For a new generation of voters and volunteers in our party, New Orleans
Edited on Sat Jul-21-07 08:43 PM by Old Crusoe
was a huge headline. With very good reason, many of those new voters -- and many of them young (though not all) -- asked themselves why a horse lawyer was in charge of the nation's rescue and relief program. They asked themselves why the Republican president was sitting on his fanny while citizens of his country were begging for that rescue and that relief which he is sworn by oath to provide.

Those were damned good questions.

I am hoping the fruition of those new voters' inquiries into the process will be realized in the 08 election. It's a reminder that much work must be done, but perhaps also a harbinger of great and fundamental change in the nation's sense of what public service is -- and who exactly represents it.

And that would tend strongly to draw them toward the blue team and not toward the red team. I'm not persuaded that those who are first now will later be last, or vice versa, but among our talented field will emerge the next President of the United States, bolstered (IMO) in significant part by the people who came new to the process during the coverage of Hurricane Katrina and whose perception of what's needed and who failed whom is current and keen.

Go, Democrats.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-17-07 11:18 PM
Response to Reply #5
10. I'm glad that you brought Katrina back into this
It seems like a lot of people have stopped talking about New Orleans like it's yesterday's news.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
ronleslie Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 05:06 PM
Response to Original message
6. Edwards has two problems .. his own weaknesses and an unresponsive electorate
I think Edwards is trailing at the polls for a couple of
reasons.   First, he is connected with John Kerry and that's
not good for him.   They both performed dreadfully in the last
campaign.   I was especially shocked at Edwards' terrible
performance in the VP debate against Cheney.   He just didn't
have what it takes; he was weak.   The other reason has to do
with the fact that the main issues he is championing just
aren't the issues that most of the voters (certainly those
with some money) think are important.   You do and I do, but
unfortunately we're not the average voter.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 05:51 AM
Response to Reply #6
9. There's nothing the people who have some money care about that's worth caring about.
We can't be worth electing if we try to be the party of the comfortable. To put your own short-term self-interest first is to be a heartless bastard.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 06:11 PM
Response to Original message
7. good post

great blog, i bookmarked it.

also, see this post by the same author:

Edwards launches “poverty tour”; have-mores launch the lie machine:

http://scholarsandrogues.wordpress.com/2007/07/16/edwards-launches-poverty-tour-have-mores-launch-the-lie-machine/

Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Fri Apr 26th 2024, 02:50 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Democrats Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC