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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 12:15 PM
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Hillary! Stop Triangulating Already!
Edited on Thu Aug-11-05 12:19 PM by Ken Burch
The last two elections have proved the voters don't want to chose between a Republican and a Conservative Democrat. Give us a real choice. If you're the Democratic frontrunner, SOUND LIKE A FREAKIN' DEMOCRAT!

A slight difference ISN'T a difference at all. Slick proved that.

And if triangulating DOES get you elected, it will make it impossible for you to DO anything that's actually Democratic.

Please, Hillary, before it's too late.
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aden_nak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 01:37 PM
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1. Yes, yes. As soon as she is done raging against video games.
I had such high hopes for Hillary. I really, honestly did.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 02:51 PM
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2. Democrats need to nominate a DEMOCRAT
A progressive, class-struggle Democrat(and democrat)who will speak for the American majority that the Republicans have left out in the cold.

It's what we've needed since 1968. RFK was the last one who tried it, and he would have pulled it off. That's why they killed him.
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OrwellwasRight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 09:26 PM
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5. Ken, we are on the same page.
I always cite RFK as the last great Democrat. And if you ever see any footage of him, it confirms that he was WILDLY popular. People just wanted to touch him.

Why?

Because he convinced people that he cared about them. That he was going to make sure government cared about them. Not the Chamber of Commerce crowd, but each and every working family in the country.


Keep talking the talk, Ken.

Do you have any picks for 2008?

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OrwellwasRight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 09:22 PM
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4. She won't stop triangulating.
she saw it work for her beloved Billy Boy.

Nobody associated with that Adminstration will ever get the DLC monkey off their backs. They actually believe that protecting corporate interests and backing off cotroversial issues (such as grazing fee reform on federal lands and gays in the military) is in the best long term interest of this country.

Why else would she:
-hang out with Newt?
-pull this Tipper act with video games?
-pretend that if Dems say we want to minimize abortion that we will somehow get Republicans to compromise on the legality of abortion?
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 12:13 PM
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3. Hillary frightens me
She's too risky, too polarizing, and add to that she's trying to become a Republican lite.

How in the world is she going to rally our base, when she's moving to the middle and sometimes to the right? I fail to see how she can win the nomination in 2008, in a primary full of liberal voters, moving to the middle and/or the right. She needs to stand up for her Democratic values, not abandon them to run for President.

I'm extremely disappointed in the direction Hillary Clinton has gone down. And I seriously hope she decides against running in 2008. (Assuming the media hype is true, and she's running.)
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caitlyn Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 01:13 PM
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6. You are assuming...
...Senator Clinton ever had liberal values. I don't think so. I think she, like her husband, was always a moderate.

I do agree that she is too polarizing and unelectable.
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good intentions Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 03:02 PM
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9. What's good about Hillary
The "message" you often hear on right-wing talk shows is that Republicans are down in the polls, but that Democrats can't take advantage of it, since they don't have any good candidates or proven ideas.

I agree Hillary has been greatly damaged. I personally believe much of that damage is artificial (like convincing us that Gore did "fuzzy math" and lied a lot). Unfortunately, any Democrat is pounced upon by the right-wing smear machine. Kerry got labeled a flip-flopper, and what they did to his military career was horrible but effecive. The reason that Democrats don't have any "good" candidates, is that the Republicans are so good at magnifying flaws. If RFK were running today, Limbaugh/O'Reilly/Hannity/Scarsborough/Savage, etc., would attack him as the beneficiary of neopotism, a wealthy elitist, conceited, and so on. They'd find a flawed statement or two in his speechs, and before they were done, people would be saying "RFK is too polarizing," just as they now say about Ted Kennedy. Unfortunately, there's little we can do about that except try our best to expose it, and play at their own game, distasteful as that might be.

But Hillary's strength is that she has the 1990s track record. It's hard to say she has no proven ideas, when she can point to the excellent reduction in crime, reduction in poverty, growth in prosperity, international good will, success in Kosovo, balancing the budget, etc., that we had with her husband. The message for her (and really all Democrats), is competent, proven, successful governance. If I could be Democrat PR czar, I'd repeat the message ad infinitum (like the Republicans successfully did with "tax and spend"): Democrats are competent, Republicans are failures.
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David Van Os Donating Member (281 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 10:34 PM
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7. Incapable.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 04:51 PM
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8. Uh...of what? nt
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