Kerry does good and the purists still yap and yap, I hate purism!

[JohnKleeb]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1505866
He questions her heavily and does a great job, gaining applause from even the biggest Kerry haters, and people like this still remain. They need to get a fuckin life, and get over it, Kerry has been working his ass off lately, and he's going to try to make election reform a big issue but that won't be good enough for some people.

[ginnyinWI]

1. whew--it's bad over there in Elections!

Whenever Kerry sticks his head up, wham! They go on the attack. They can't be Dems--how could they complain about him roasting Condi over the coals like he did today if they were? I think we are massively infiltrated, people. This is bad. And it's sickening. I'm normally quite detached by all of it, but today I'm mad. So I think I'll stay in here and recover from the battle for a bit.

:mad:

[JohnKleeb]

3. Hell I bet you anything even if he were to become president

They'd still criticize him, hes not passing a bill for a gay marriage legalization amendment! Dems are spineless! Dems are spineless!

[ginnyinWI]

11. If he walked on water

and turned water into wine, they'd complain that he was only showing off!
If he caught and killed OBL with his bare hands (and I believe he'd like to) they'd complain that he only did it to get elected in 2008.

If he---oh forget it, I'm just mad. :mad:

[JohnKleeb]

14. Its just I see a man trying to fight for us very ahrd and they crap on him

Gore's not treated this way by them and Gore also conceded, and Kerry unlike Gore reappeared on the public scene soon and has been fighting very hard.

[vinessa4freedom]

40. don't get mad, get even

when we get the nomination in 08 and the legitimate election will put him rightly in the white house, and we have the best president ever in the history of the office...I'm walkin on sunshine. The turkeys will not get me down today.

[JohnKleeb]

42. isnt that what Joe Kennedy said?

dont get mad, get even?

[New Earth]

2. i have 5 words for these people

@^#%&*@#^&*^@*(^#

GET THE HELL OVER IT!!!!!!!!!!!


(and i don't mean the election)

[JohnKleeb]

4. I know, right

my words though are
Give him a fuckin break, he still fights for you and this is how you treat him.

[vinessa4freedom]

5. hey you guys

I am so freaking high on today I'm not doing it. I am not going to argue with people who could see him today and still piss and moan. He was brilliant. There just is no other side today.

[JohnKleeb]

6. I am not going there, I just saw it

I know, but you know what there are some people who are complaining today.

[vinessa4freedom]

9. there are some people who will complain

if they win the lottery, have a summer with every weekend sunny, and anything else that we would be thrilled with. Some people live to bitch. Today separates those from the ones that are thinkers.

[WildEyedLiberal]

8. HEY YOU

Go to the kink forum. Now. Read last night's kink. I think you will enjoy. :evilgrin:

[JohnKleeb]

10. we soooooooo need more guys here

I am missing you guys at nights now :(.

[vinessa4freedom]

15. I go to bed at 10

so I miss all the fun until morning, and once school starts I think I'll have to exchange phone#'s with some of you and talk between classes. Total withdrawal!

[JohnKleeb]

17. If you want my cell number, you can have it but I have to tell you

I am a little shy :).

[vinessa4freedom]

20. LOL

I know how to make you rant, Kleeb, just insult the O's (my angel in the outfield, etc.) :)

[JohnKleeb]

21. thats a way to make me curse

You know I hear that kid is really fat now.

[vinessa4freedom]

26. bitter, Kleeb? n/t

[JohnKleeb]

29. nah I should be happy

It may snow here tonight and I am going downtown for a couple days on thursday, and I got my homework done tonight.

[vinessa4freedom]

37. yes, to the protest

I'm psyched for you!

[JohnKleeb]

38. yep

its gonna be cold though, it was freezing today, my hair was still wet from the shower and it got frozen. I had a delay because it was cold, "insert southern joke" here.

[vinessa4freedom]

46. today it was 1 degree

with a windchill of 17 below.

[JohnKleeb]

49. christ

[vinessa4freedom]

52. yeah, gotta love Rochester

It was 60 last week, but this is more typical of our winter

[WildEyedLiberal]

33. Awwww - DU withdrawal

I miss you guys too, when I'm not on.

I hate the sound of my voice. I think I sound like Daria.

[JohnKleeb]

35. Dana who?

Rocharacher :evilgrin:
kidding.

[WildEyedLiberal]

22. Awww

I'll try to hang out more in here, although school is cutting down on my night fun anyways.

I can balance the kink and the DU, methinks. :P

[JohnKleeb]

25. well thats the problem when you got a 10:1 girls to guys ratio

[vinessa4freedom]

13. I got up early

left you all a little note;)

[ginnyinWI]

16. smart girl. These people have no loyalty at all.

They've got to be mostly freepers along with some who get sucked into the freeper mindset. I can see them laughing at us.

[WildEyedLiberal]

7. It was so bad even I entered the fray

And typically I DON'T GO IN THERE.

Some people are just stupid, is all. Wallowing in their self-inflated misery and bemoaning the death of democracy, all while refusing to actually get involved. HEY DUMBASSES - democracy means "a government of the people." So if you give such a shit, go DO SOMETHING! No, they'd rather delete Kerry's email about Rumsfeld out of petty spite than actually, you know, work for liberal causes. It's so fucking third grade. "Kerry dropped my ice cream cone and even though he bought me a new one I DON'T WANT IT I WANT MY OLD ONE I HATE HIM FOREVER AND EVER AND EVER AND YOU CAN'T MAKE ME LIKE HIM SO THERE."

Well, boo fuckin' hoo. :nopity:

[JohnKleeb]

12. The funny thing is their heroes are often guys who never had to vote

on the same shit they would call Kerry and Edwards spineless for, I think they're more smarter than I originally thought because they know damn well they can support what they choose to believe based on rhetoric and rhetoric only. Its not about issues to them but its about rhetoric. Good riddiance to people who don't realizing good democrats when they see em.

[ginnyinWI]

18. so are they jealous that Dean isn't up there saying something

and Kerry is, still in the limelight? What is the matter with these people, and why don't they want our side to win???

[JohnKleeb]

23. not just Dean but Clark too

those two for some reason unbeknowist to me and no offense to anyone who originally supported and likes Dean and Clark but I never saw why they were so damn popular here. They could be jealous yes.

[vinessa4freedom]

24. it's not about winning for the people

they claim to care about the values, but don't. It's they're guy our guy. They don't want justice, they want more attention. Screw 'em.

[vinessa4freedom]

19. defining moment

Today just made it crystal clear that we chose right. I feel so much trust in John Kerry, I would follow him anywhere. I never thought I'd feel that way about any politician. Ever.

[WildEyedLiberal]

27. Me either

I could've won a college scholarship my senior year of high school if I wrote an essay about a politician since 1970 or something who inspired me. I never wrote it because I couldn't think of anyone.

If only I knew then what I know now. :cry:

Big John could've won me a cool five grand.

I have to say I never loved a politician until John Kerry.

[vinessa4freedom]

28. don't cry....

cause you waited for the right one. Our John's worth a trillion!

[WildEyedLiberal]

30. Oh, he's worth the wait allright

:evilgrin:

[JohnKleeb]

31. un oh

:P

[WildEyedLiberal]

32. Heh heh heh heh....

[JohnKleeb]

34. too bad theres not a Mr. Robinson song

because I'd make that your theme. You know the Simon and Garfunkel song song Mrs. Robinson?, and heres to you MR. Robinson :D, John Kerry the world turns its lonely eyes to you :P. Needless to say, the original is better.

[WildEyedLiberal]

47. Hahaha

What can I say? I'd apply to be his "intern" any day!

[vinessa4freedom]

36. ummm...

I've been out of that running for 20 years, so I'm glad I didn't wait quite that long. LOL

[TayTay]

39. The naysayers are always there

Screw them and the horses they rode in on. Feh!

Kerry did great today. (I am so proud he is still my Senator. Nice job, big guy. I still got your back in MA.) He did a nice attack job in the morning and threw Condi off her preset spiel. Then Sen. Boxer just had a knock-down, drag-out with her. (Yeah Babs! You rock honey.)

Kerry's later appearances didn't have the fireworks of the morning, but they did show the prosecutors mind at work. Condi was under oath. It is a federal crime to lie to Congress under oath. She said an awful lot today. Particularly when my Junior Senator was grilling her for about 45 minutes late in the day. Beautiful. I want the transcript of that. I want to see what Condi agreed to. Under oath. On record. HeHeHehehehehe.

Rethug bastards couldn't resist rubbing it in though.
Coleman the weasel: I and my collegues are overjoyed to welcome Sen. Kerry back
Kerry: Yeah, yeah, it's going to be unanimous over there. Just pass a resolution and move on.
This exchange favored Kerry. (Extremely nice way of saying Screw you and the horse you rode in on buddy.)

Very happy. Condi under oath. hhhhmmmmmmm. Sweet.

ecdit: stil cnt' spel.

[JohnKleeb]

41. Coleman is a weasel, I wish someone would just slap that smug bastard

[vinessa4freedom]

44. he looks like the bad guy

from Spider man-Green Goblin.

[JohnKleeb]

48. Willem Dafoe another one who scares me

[vinessa4freedom]

43. yeah, baby

it was brilliant. He was relentless and I swear he would have gone at it forever. He probably stopped so they didn't have a Condi pity party.

Brilliant John, brilliant

[WildEyedLiberal]

51. Howwwdy TayTay

Have you paid a visit to the kink forum yet? If not, you should. I am narcissistic and want everyone to see my "handywork."

[TayTay]

54. Breifly dear

I am wearing my wonky hat tonight. (Spent the day reviewing my Foreign policy library, going, ooh yes, that is a good point, oh no, such and such in this book said otherwise.)

So, unless you want a scholarly discourse of the implications of kink on foreign poilcy and how that fits in with the Condi Show, I don't think you want wonky TayTay tonight. Scholarly discussion of saucy wnech topics might be rather dull.

:boring: for TayTay.

I want to argue tonight with naysayers. Bring 'em on.

[WildEyedLiberal]

56. Bah. Wonkiness is no fun

And it must be balanced with a measure of kink, lest you turn into a wonkstress.

What sounds better: kinkstress, or wonkstress?

And you don't wanna argue with them. Their standard response to everything is "HE LET ME DOOOOOOOOOWN!!!!! I HATE HIM FOREEEEEEEVER!!"

Let them wallow in their own filth. To them I say bah.

Edit: you have arrived. This post is now irrelevant. :P

[ginnyinWI]

45. Nor I

:pals:

Every time I see him doing anything, I am reaffirmed in my belief in the guy. He's just good through and through. Such a crusader for justice. And so very brilliant! And articulate! And capable! And so overqualified for being a mere high-ranking U.S. Senator! He deserves to be president, and I sincerely hope he gets there some day.


I've never believed in any politician like this before, either. Those others wanted to see him slink away and be like Gore. Not this guy. Not while there is a wrong to put right.

I'd trust him with my life.

[vinessa4freedom]

50. we will make sure he gets there

Ginny, we just have to. We will all work our tushies off from our corners of the country and get him there.

[bush_is_wacko]

53. Me too...They don't listen to reason.

Condi will be confirmed, but I think she has been effectively warned. Kerry looked beat at the end of todays hearings. But they all gave Condi a good little spanking. She will no longer have the legal argument to hide behind the President and she has been warned about that habit. If she tries to use it in this position she is going to have a battle on her hands. She would be wise to realize THIS entire committee repub and Dem alike are going after her if she attempts to use that excuse. are these purists normal people, do you think? If they are I am very concerned. they will not be pleased with anything less than total bi-partisan resistance. I don't think that is going to help THIS situation. ELECTION REFORM doesn't have a chance in hell if we won't wok with THEM too! Do they realize this?

[vinessa4freedom]

55. Nice posts in the ER forum this afternoon

It was great to see John getting great support over there. Remember he was on the other side of the world for a couple weeks. He's entitled to a little tired.

[bush_is_wacko]

57. Yeah, he is entitled. Did I sound too motherly?

I hope he has a nice hot bath and a good nights sleep. I was a little worried about him. I am a mother I can't help it! Granted, not his mother but...

[vinessa4freedom]

64. I think we all want to protect him

any way that we can. :)

[ginnyinWI]

58. just wanted to say thanks, Kleeb

you've been all over the boards today, watching JK's back. Me too--and it feels right. :)

[JohnKleeb]

61. Don't thank me

thank the others who actually defended him.

[Der Blaue Engel]

59. When I responded to this poster

asking why the obvious baiting, I got this reply:

"I'm simply gathering information. Can't help myself, I was born curious."

Odd comment, doncha think?

[GRLMGC]

60. That guy's an asshole

They're all assholes. Then, if its even possible, they get even more assholey when they get on the defensive. I fucking hate them.

[JohnKleeb]

62. Did anyone see what Clarkie1 said just now?

ummmmmm dude maybe its because we feel he should have another shot, that he really is a good guy, and he would make a great president.

[WildEyedLiberal]

63. That other guy in that thread was even more odious

I really wanted to alert but didn't know how to phrase my argument. Are ad hominem attacks against candidates against DU policy? If so, we should ALL alert that motherfucker. He said some vicious, cruel, right-wing-talking-point shit about Kerry, and it made me sad.

[bunny planet]

65. Glad I found this thread, I was just over there reading some of the

comments about Kerry's nay vote and I was getting angrier and angrier. The thread is locked for replies thank goodness because I would have not been able to control my responses. Lefty freepers are the worst.

I used to like Mike Malloy because he has a good heart and he really sticks it to * but lately he has been Kerry bashing so much it has been impossible to listen to him. Last night he complained about how JK looked down when he was questioning Condi because he was too scared to make eye-contact!!!! WTF

Can't anybody figure out that Kerry is a very intelligent, verbose man who likes to mention everything he can, it is his speaking style to refer to copious notes and look down at least partially when reading. They can't even accept his personality and personal style at face value, they have to denigrate everything and attribute negative motivations to everything he does.

t is sooooooo infuriating. Some of these people, if they are Dems at all, need lots of therapy. They are so judgemental it boggles the mind, and their instincts are so off. To me, JK's being a good, honest, brave thoughtful, and ethical individual just radiates off of him. I don't need him to spell it out for me, his actions show me it's true.

[ginnyinWI]

66. couldn't agree more

these complainers just love to complain--give them something to bash and they are deliriously happy. They don't want any facts. They don't want to believe their lying eyes.

If they can't find anything real to complain about, they speculate about something, and then bash that. It is exactly what Rush Limbaugh does. He says something like, "they probably think that...." and then proceeds to mock and ridicule that view--a view that he just made up out of whole cloth!

Bush's people created a "straw man" of Kerry during the campaign to mock and villify, because they couldn't stick enough legitimate criticism to the man. The DU bash-brigade is doing the same thing now. "Kerry's a wimp because he deserted us! He didn't fight for the election! blah blah blah" Geeze. :grr: