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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 10:07 AM
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John Kerry and Hurricane Katrina -- What could have been
Kerrygoddess had a rec'd diary (yeah!!) about John Kerry's statement about * knowing about what Katrina was going to do. It was almost ALL positive comments. Anyway, I composed this comment (it's at the VERY bottom), and was just wondering if you guys agree with my conclusion at the end:

This line struck me especially:

They didn't listen to years of urgent pleading by Louisianans about the consequences of wetlands erosion in the region, which exposed New Orleans and surrounding parishes to ever-greater wind damage and flooding in a hurricane.

This isn't just fiery rhetoric without substance. Remember the GOP talking point that Kerry "did nothing in the Senate"? Well, in 1991 he got a bill passed specifically about those wetlands. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't he about the top Democrat in the Senate on environmental issues? After I had read that he had done this work (as well as a flood insurance bill discouraging people to build right on the coastline of Louisiana due to erosion) coupled with Bush's incompetence, I managed to get a Kerry bumper sticker to put back on my car. It was like the ultimate dummy whammy to learn that yes, Bush, even surprised ME at his unbelievable low level of incompetence AND the fact that Kerry was an EXPERT on the issue of flooding in NO.

There is no doubt in my mind (not a SINGLE doubt) that had Kerry won the election, and he learned that a Cat 5 hurricane was headed straight for NO, he would have IMMEDIATELY been at work making sure that FEMA and local and state officials were as best prepared as they could be. He would NOT have been on vacation and he would have PERSONALLY been involved with every step taken after the hurricane hit. True, there is no way he could have brought FEMA back in 9 months, but the BIG thing missing from Hurrican Katrina was REAL leadership. I saw an essay recently by Roger Rosenblatt and he said that "we searched everywhere all of over New Orleans, yet we never found any leaders". John Kerry would have been that leader. It would have been his 9/11 moment, and the people would have looked at him differently after that moment onward. He is genuine and sincere, no matter what the media and RW say, and it would have shone so brightly after such a disaster.

Oh, and as far as reality goes, less people would have died under Pres. Kerry. I think he knows this, and it sure must hurt . . .


I've actually thought this for a long time but never put it into words. Obviously, we all think Kerry would have done a far better job than * with Hurricane Katrina. But I go one step further and say the event would have made his presidency and he would have had a skyrocketing approval rating, because he would have MADE THINGS HAPPEN, even if it meant going around FEMA. Does my admiration of JK go too far to think this is what would have happened? Or does anyone else feel this way? I know, I know -- this is all woulda coulda shoulda speculation, and I'm not going to dwell on it too long. But I can't wipe this idea from my mind, that things would have been the OPPOSITE of how they ended up being. Americans would have been sad about the flood, but proud of themselves and their president for getting through it as best as we could. There would have been problems but would be fixed as quickly as possible by a president who cares. The world would have looked on with sympathy yet admiration for a country that pulls together in a crisis. Tell me if you feel the same way.

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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 10:11 AM
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1. Here is the link to KG's dKos diary, which is still going!
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/1/24/203751/196

Oh, and thank you Senator Kerry for posting on dKos!!! Now I can go visit since the Kerry supporters feel welcome there again. It may be a short honeymoon, but I'm going to bask in it as long as it lasts . . .
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 10:22 AM
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2. I do feel the same way and it saddens me to think of what could
have been- if only he would have won. I am more certain today than even back in 2004, that Kerry would and could make one of the best Presidents we have ever had.
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 10:28 AM
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3. There's a post complaining that Kerry didn't do this earlier
Edited on Wed Jan-25-06 10:28 AM by MH1
But, I am sure he did.

Link directly to that post:
http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2006/1/24/203751/196/188#188

His timing is all wrong (none / 0)

Kerry has no sense of political timing. He should have made this charge early on last Fall(and documented later, if necessary). By this time, hardly anyone cares because the news is buried by other news.

Anyone want to go post a debunking, with links to previous statements by JK?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 10:38 AM
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4. He did.
Edited on Wed Jan-25-06 10:39 AM by ProSense
September 19, 2005
Senator John Kerry's Speech at Brown University
Remarks As Prepared for Delivery

Providence, RI - I want to thank you for what the Brown community has done to help and comfort the many victims of Hurricane Katrina. This horrifying disaster has shown Americans at their best -- and their government at its worst.

And that's what I've come to talk with you about today. The incompetence of Katrina's response is not reserved to a hurricane. There's an enormous gap between Americans' daily expectations and government's daily performance. And the gap is growing between the enduring strength of the American people -- their values, their spirit, their imagination, their ingenuity, and their willingness to serve and sacrifice -- and the shocking weakness of the American government in contending with our country's urgent challenges. On the Gulf Coast during the last two weeks, the depth and breadth of that gap has been exposed for all to see and we have to address it now before it is obscured again by hurricane force spin and deception.

Katrina stripped away any image of competence and exposed to all the true heart and nature of this administration. The truth is that for four and a half years, real life choices have been replaced by ideological agenda, substance replaced by spin, governance second place always to politics. Yes, they can run a good campaign -- I can attest to that -- but America needs more than a campaign. If 12 year-old Boy Scouts can be prepared, Americans have a right to expect the same from their 59 year-old President of the United States.

Katrina reminds us that too often the political contests of our time have been described like football games with color commentary: one team of consultants against another, red states against blue states, Democratic money against Republican money; a contest of height versus hair - sometimes. But the truth is democracy is not a game; we are living precious time each day in a different America than the one we can inhabit if we make different choices.

Today, more than ever, when the path taken last year and four years earlier takes us into a wilderness of missed opportunities -- we need to keep defining the critical choices over and over, offering a direction not taken but still open in the future.

I know the President went on national television last week and accepted responsibility for Washington's poor response to Katrina. That's admirable. And it's a first. As they say, the first step towards recovery is to get out of denial. But don't hold your breath hoping acceptance of responsibility will become a habit for this administration. On the other hand, if they are up to another "accountability moment" they ought to start by admitting one or two of the countless mistakes in conceiving, "selling", planning and executing their war of choice in Iraq.

I obviously don't expect that to happen. And indeed, there's every reason to believe the President finally acted on Katrina and admitted a mistake only because he was held accountable by the press, cornered by events, and compelled by the outrage of the American people, who with their own eyes could see a failure of leadership and its consequences.

Natural and human calamity stripped away the spin machine, creating a rare accountability moment, not just for the Bush administration, but for all of us to take stock of the direction of our country and do what we can to reverse it. That's our job -- to turn this moment from a frenzied expression of guilt into a national reversal of direction. Some try to minimize the moment by labeling it a "blame game" -- but as I’ve said - this is no game and what is at stake is much larger than the incompetent and negligent response to Katrina.

This is about the broader pattern of incompetence and negligence that Katrina exposed, and beyond that, a truly systemic effort to distort and disable the people's government, and devote it to the interests of the privileged and the powerful. It is about the betrayal of trust and abuse of power. And in all the often horrible and sometimes ennobling sights and sounds we've all witnessed over the last two weeks, there's another sound just under the surface: the steady clucking of Administration chickens coming home to roost.

We wouldn't be hearing that sound if the people in Washington running our government had cared to listen in the past.

They didn't listen to the Army Corps of Engineers when they insisted the levees be reinforced.

They didn't listen to the countless experts who warned this exact disaster scenario would happen.

They didn't listen to years of urgent pleading by Louisianans about the consequences of wetlands erosion in the region, which exposed New Orleans and surrounding parishes to ever-greater wind damage and flooding in a hurricane.

They didn't listen when a disaster simulation just last year showed that hundreds of thousands of people would be trapped and have no way to evacuate New Orleans.

They didn't listen to those of us who have long argued that our insane dependence on oil as our principal energy source, and our refusal to invest in more efficient engines, left us one big supply disruption away from skyrocketing gas prices that would ravage family pocketbooks, stall our economy, bankrupt airlines, and leave us even more dependent on foreign countries with deep pockets of petroleum.

They didn't listen when Katrina approached the Gulf and every newspaper in America warned this could be "The Big One" that Louisianans had long dreaded. They didn't even abandon their vacations.

And the rush now to camouflage their misjudgments and inaction with money doesn’t mean they are suddenly listening. It's still politics as usual. The plan they’re designing for the Gulf Coast turns the region into a vast laboratory for right wing ideological experiments. They’re already talking about private school vouchers, abandonment of environmental regulations, abolition of wage standards, subsidies for big industries - and believe it or not yet another big round of tax cuts for the wealthiest among us!


The administration is recycling all their failed policies and shipping them to Louisiana. After four years of ideological excess, these Washington Republicans have a bad hangover -- and they can't think of anything to offer the Gulf Coast but the hair of the dog that bit them.

And amazingly -- or perhaps not given who we’re dealing with -- this massive reconstruction project will be overseen not by a team of experienced city planners or developers, but according to the New York Times, by the Chief of Politics in the White House and Republican Party, none other than Karl Rove -- barring of course that he is indicted for "outing" an undercover CIA intelligence officer.

Katrina is a symbol of all this administration does and doesn't do. Michael Brown -- or Brownie as the President so famously thanked him for doing a heck of a job - Brownie is to Katrina what Paul Bremer is to peace in Iraq; what George Tenet is to slam dunk intelligence; what Paul Wolfowitz is to parades paved with flowers in Baghdad; what Dick Cheney is to visionary energy policy; what Donald Rumsfeld is to basic war planning; what Tom Delay is to ethics; and what George Bush is to “Mission Accomplished” and "Wanted Dead or Alive." The bottom line is simple: The "we'll do whatever it takes" administration doesn't have what it takes to get the job done.

This is the Katrina administration.

It has consistently squandered time, tax dollars, political capital, and even risked American lives on sideshow adventures: A war of choice in Iraq against someone who had nothing to do with 9/11; a full scale presidential assault on Social Security when everyone knows the real crisis is in health care - Medicare and Medicaid. And that's before you get to willful denial on global warming; avoidance on competitiveness; complicity in the loss and refusal of health care to millions.

Americans can and will help compensate for government's incompetence with millions of acts of individual enterprise and charity, as Katrina has shown. But that’s not enough. We must ask tough questions: Will this generosity and compassion last in the absence of strong leadership? Will this Administration only ask for sacrifice in a time of crisis? Has dishonesty in politics degraded our national character to the point that we feel our dues have been paid as citizens with a one-time donation to the Red Cross?

Today, let’s you and I acknowledge what’s really going on in this country. The truth is that this week, as a result of Katrina, many children languishing in shelters are getting vaccinations for the first time. Thousands of adults are seeing a doctor after going without a check-up for years. Illnesses lingering long before Katrina will be treated by a healthcare system that just weeks ago was indifferent, and will soon be indifferent again.

For the rest of the year this nation silently tolerates the injustice of 11 million children and over 30 million adults in desperate need of healthcare. We tolerate a chasm of race and class some would rather pretend does not exist. And ironically, right in the middle of this crisis the Administration quietly admitted that since they took office, six million of our fellow citizens have fallen into poverty. That’s over ten times the evacuated population of New Orleans. Their plight is no less tragic - no less worthy of our compassion and attention. We must demand something simple and humane: healthcare for all those in need - in all years at all times.

This is the real test of Katrina. Will we be satisfied to only do the immediate: care for the victims and rebuild the city? Or will we be inspired to tackle the incompetence that left us so unprepared, and the societal injustice that left so many of the least fortunate waiting and praying on those rooftops?

That’s the unmet challenge we have to face together. Katrina is the background of a new picture we must paint of America. For five years our nation's leaders have painted a picture of America where ignoring the poor has no consequences; no nations are catching up to us; and no pensions are destroyed. Every criticism is rendered unpatriotic. And if you say “War on Terror” enough times, Katrina never happens.

Well, Katrina did happen, and it washed away that coat of paint and revealed the true canvas of America with all its imperfections. Now, we must stop this Administration from again whitewashing the true state of our challenges. We have to paint our own picture - an honest picture with all the optimism we deserve - one that gives people a vision where no one is excluded or ignored. Where leaders are honest about the challenges we face as a nation, and never reserve compassion only for disasters.

Rarely has there been a moment more urgent for Americans to step up and define ourselves again. On the line is a fundamental choice. A choice between a view that says “you’re on your own,” “go it alone,” or “every man for himself.” Or a different view - a different philosophy - a different conviction of governance - a belief that says our great American challenge is one of shared endeavor and shared sacrifice.

Over the next weeks I will address some of these choices in detail - choices about national security, the war in Iraq, making our nation more competitive and committing to energy independence. But it boils down to this. I still believe America’s destiny is to become a living testament to what free human beings can accomplish by acting in unity. That’s easy to dismiss by those who seem to have forgotten we can do more together than just waging war.

But for those who still believe in the great tradition of Americans doing great things together, it’s time we started acting like it. We can never compete with the go-it- alone crowd in appeals to selfishness. We can’t afford to be pale imitations of the other side in playing the ‘what’s in it for me’ game. Instead, it’s time we put our appeals where our hearts are - asking the American people to make our country as strong, prosperous, and big-hearted as we know we can be - every day. It’s time we framed every question - every issue -- not in terms of what’s in it for ‘me,’ but what’s in it for all of us?

And when you ask that simple question - what’s in it for all of us? - the direction not taken in America could not be more clear or compelling.

Instead of allowing a few oil companies to drill their way to windfall profits, it means an America that understands we can’t drill our way to energy independence, we have to invent our way there together.

Instead of making a mockery of the words No Child Left Behind when China and India are graduating tens of thousands more engineers and PhDs than we are, it means an America where college education is affordable and accessible for every child willing to work for it.

Instead of tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans, it means an America that makes smart investments in your future like funding the science and research and development that will assure American technological leadership.

Instead of allowing lobbyists to rewrite our environmental laws, it means an America where lakes and rivers and streams are clean enough that when a family takes the kids fishing, it’s actually safe to eat the fish they catch.

Instead of letting a few ideologues get in the way of progress that can make us a stronger and healthier society, it means an America where the biology students here today will do the groundbreaking stem cell research tomorrow.

And instead of stubbornly disregarding intelligence, using force prematurely and shoving our allies aside, it means an America that restores its leadership in the world. An America that meets its responsibility of creating a world where the plagues of our time and future times - from terror to disease to poverty to weapons of mass destruction to the unknown - are overcome by allies united in common cause, and proud to follow American leadership.

That is the direction not taken but still open to us in the future if we answer that simple question - ‘what’s in it for all of us?’ It comes down to the fact that the job of government is to prepare for your future - not ignore it. It should prepare to solve problems - not create them.

This Administration and the Republicans who control Congress give in to special interests and rob future generations. Real leadership stands up to special interests and sets the course for future generations. And the fact is we do face serious challenges as a nation, and if we don’t address them now, we handicap your future. My generation risks failing its obligation of assuring you inherit a safer, stronger America. To turn this around, the greatest challenges must be the starting point. I hope Katrina gives us the courage to face them and the sense of urgency to beat them.

That’s why the next few months are such a critical time. You’ll read about the Katrina investigations and fact-finding missions. You’ll get constant updates on the progress rebuilding New Orleans and new funding for FEMA. Washington becomes a very efficient town once voters start paying attention.

But we can’t let political maneuvering around the current crisis distract people from the gathering, hidden crises - like energy, environment, poverty, healthcare and innovation - that present the greatest threats to our nation’s competitiveness and character. The effort to rebuild New Orleans cannot obscure the need to also rebuild our country.

So realistically, I’m sure you’re wondering: How do I change all this? What can I do? The answer is simple: you have to make your issues the voting issues of this nation. You’re not the first generation to face this challenge.

I remember when you couldn’t even mention environmental issues without a snicker. But then in the 70’s people got tired of seeing the Cuyahoga River catch on fire from all the chemicals. So one day millions of Americans marched. Politicians had no choice but to take notice. Twelve Congressmen were dubbed the Dirty Dozen, and soon after seven were kicked out of office. The floodgates were opened. We got the Clean Air Act, The Clean Water Act and Safe Drinking Water. We created the EPA. The quality of life improved because concerned citizens made their issues matter in elections.

You are citizens in the greatest democracy in the world. Moments like Katrina are so difficult - so painful - but they help you define your service to your fellow citizens. I’ll never forget as a teenager standing in a field in October of 1957 watching the first man made spacecraft streak across the night sky. The conquest, of course, was Soviet - and while not everyone got to see the unmanned craft pass overhead at 18,000 miles per hour that night - before long every American knew the name Sputnik. We knew we had been caught unprepared.

In the uncertain years thereafter, President Kennedy challenged Americans to act on that instinct. He said, "This is a great country, but I think it could be a greater country...the question we have to decide as Americans," he said, is "are we doing enough today?"

Today, every American knows the name Katrina -- and once again we know our government was undeniably unprepared, even as Americans have shown their willingness to sacrifice to make up for it.

But in these uncertain weeks of Katrina's aftermath, we must ask ourselves not just whether a great country can be made greater -- the sacrifice and generosity of Americans these last weeks answered that question with a resounding yes.

No, our challenge is greater - it’s to speak out so loudly that Washington has no choice but to make choices worthy of this great country - choices worthy of the sacrifice of our neighbors in the Gulf Coast and our troops all around the world.

What's in it for all of us? Nothing less than the character of our country - and your future.


http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/speeches/spc_2005_09_19.html



This was a really damning speech:


http://www.thehill.com/thehill/export/TheHill/News/Frontpage/092005/brief4.html
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 11:34 AM
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5. He then repeated many of those lines in many many speeches
since. In September, the line that Katrina lifted the curtain that hid the Bush administration's incompetence was repeated in 5 NJ speeches and I think he has used that line in virtually every speech he has given that deals with any Bush administation performance. Last Sunday, he made the statement more obviously the Wizard of Oz reference he always intended by saying that when the curtain was lifted, there was no wizard there.

In September, there was also the interview when he was going to LA (but not NO) to meet with officials and some small business people - he spoke of having the emergency supplies stored near areas likely to need them. I assume that, at minimum, he would have quickly moved supplies to that area and had contingincy plans for evacuating ports. (Remember he asked Chertoff why they weren't done in a July hearing - President Kerry's HS person would have had a plan for evacuating NO in case of terror, which could have been implemented.

The fact that Kerry acted to do what he could do as a Senator, a public person and an individual - starting when he was in Iraq - does say that if he had the power of the Presidency, he would have used it well. Whether it would have led to a surge of popularity, who knows. The media could still dwell on what didn't work - it was huge - but they wouldn't have pictures of him pretending to play guitar, at a fund raiser, or eating cake with McCain. Pictures of him with kids, would be real kids from the area, not actresses.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 12:56 PM
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6. But don't you think more would have worked had he been prez?
Many good points, Karynnj. I'm just wondering if you think that Kerry himself would have been on the phone all day and all night finding out what was happening before, during, and after the storm. A lot of the problems, I think, were preventable had a leader responded IMMEDIATELY, Monday night, when the levies broke. This did not happen with *. He delegated to Chertoff and Brown completely, not really knowing what exactly they were doing. Look, obviously, you have to delegate, but in a case like this, an executive definitely has to micromanage during a crisis. It was a case where there were some broken systems, and the thing to have done was a work around. Maybe this is a stretch, but if you look how Kerry got his Silver medal in VN, it was by basically breaking the rules and thinking of an alternative way to react to being attacked. I just think he and the fine minds he would no doubt have around him would have done this. Also, the reason why * was shown in a good light after 9/11 was because of his "performance" at ground zero with the megaphone. Somehow, I can imagine Kerry in the Superdome, fearless and reassuring to the people. That, of course, would not be possible with * who is a coward and actually does not have the personal touch with people (sure he makes people laugh and can be charming but he just can't relate to poor folks stuck in after a flood). Once again, Kerry could draw from his VN experience, like helping those starving Vietnamese. The media would have rallied around a leader. There just were NONE (and yeah, I include local Dems) and a lot of suffering, which is why Anderson Cooper and Brian Williams became SO angry.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 01:34 PM
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8. Definately
He used every resource he had as well as he could as a Senator and private person. As President he would have had so much more to use. I do think that all the qualities you mention would have let him lead the effort brilliantly.

The one constant in everything his crew said about him was that he earned their trust and respect. The sense of calmness he had facing bullets and the reassurances he provided would have gone a long way in NO. In addition to food, clothes and shelter, what people needed was hope for the future, reassurance that their government was functioning and a sense that people cared. Bush scored 0, Kerry would have been closer to 100%.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 01:09 PM
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7. Thanks, Prosense for the info! I went ahead and copied and
pasted your post verbatim and mentioned your name over there. Hope you don't mind, but I wanted to get it out there quickly, and I'm not sure if you have a dKos login. That really was a GREAT speech -- I forwarded it to a lot of people at the time because I liked it so much and it reflected exactly as I felt.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 01:37 PM
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9. Excellent. Thanks. n/t
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 09:52 PM
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10. I'm sure he would have been wonderful
Anyone see West Wing Sunday, how Prez. Bartlett responded to the nuclear meltdown? That would have been more like what Kerry would have done. :)

But as always, the rightwingers would have found fault. Not knowing how badly * would have handled it, they would have complained that * would have done things SO much better, because after all, everyone KNOWS that Republicans are so much more competent!! (cough, choke, gag!)

They will never, ever let up on any Democratic president. We know that. And Kerry would have expected it as President.


As long as we're dreaming, imagine the great candidates he would have nominated to the Supreme Court. Sigh. We would have had a chance to see some progress after four years on the Dark Side. :cry:
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