Kos is at it again! Claims he out maneuvered Kerry to get Dean as

[second edition]

DNC Chairman. I remember that John Kerry explicitly stayed out of this and let others decide. He even defended Dean. I don't usually post here, but this is just out and out poor lies and journalism. Kos just makes things up and he is getting more and more press as being a legitimate blog and reference site. Kos needs to be called out big time or he is going to continue to do these mis informative commentaries. It's surreal-it's the world according to Kos.
There is also a posting referring to this here at DU.

Thanks for letting me invade your space for a while. It felt good!

[whometense]

1. You are very welcome here!!

Kerry supported Dean for DNC Chair.

Didn't he? Or did I make that up? One day Kos's ego is going to get so oversized his head won't fit through the door.



http://www.finksphotos.com/gallery_spacific2.htm

[karynnj]

3. I wondered what kos looked like

I thought Kerry didn't say anything publicly, but talked to Dean from the Middle East. It seemed like if he didn't support him, he at least was neutral. (I thought the rumour was the Clintons were against him.) It's hard to believe that Kos had much to do with it.

[second edition]

6. I don't recall Kerry getting involved during the election process.

He certainly supported him after he was elected,though. I thought i had read some gossip that mentioned that the DLC members weren't happy with Dean.

[jenndar]

2. What?

Did somebody drop Kos on his head?

[blm]

4. Yeah - that's why Kerry and Dean talked almost every day in January

even while Kerry was in Europe.

[WildEyedLiberal]

5. What a piece of shit asswipe he is

I hope he chokes on a cock and dies.

[ProSense]

7. This is how

I will characterize Dean and Kerry's relationship:

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Nothing Kos says can counter that image.

[whometense]

8. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong

about this, but I believe around these parts Kerry is considered to be a marginal DLC member at most.

D'oh! Sorry! Put this in the wrong place. It was meant as a response to #6.

[LittleClarkie]

9. I wrote this "Can we work together?"

"Kerry and Dean do, it appears.

Dean isn't nearly as divisive as some of his supporters, it also appears."

What an immature child.

[ProSense]

11. This is after the fact, but

it goes to the point of working together:

Kerry Welcomes Dean as New Democratic Party Chair
$225,000 Raised in 2 Days for DNC and State Party Grassroots Efforts by johnkerry.com community
For Immediate Release

Washington, DC - John Kerry welcomed former Vermont Governor Howard Dean as the new Chair of the Democratic National Committee and urged him to continue to work to grow the grassroots of the Democratic Party.

“A people- powered Democratic Party is essential to a stronger America. Today we welcome as our new Chair a leader who has always put people first, both as a successful governor and as one of the most dynamic political campaigners in the country. Howard Dean understands fundamentally that in order for Democrats to win elections up and down the ticket, we must empower people to take an active role in politics and public life. He understands we must plant the Democratic flag in every corner of this country and give people the tools they need to grow and expand the party. I look forward to working closely with him to build and expand the grassroots of the Party at the national, state and local level.

“In 2004, working together with Terry McAuliffe and the Democratic campaign team, we built on the DNC’s impressive infrastructure and tapped into enormous volunteer energy to grow the grassroots of the Democratic Party. We changed politics in America by making smart investments in grassroots organizing and fundraising. Now our challenge is to convert what we built for the 2004 election into a permanent grassroots volunteer network that will fight for Democrats 365 days a year, every year of the cycle and at every level of politics. Earlier this week, we announced we were investing $1 million in the DNC and that we were going to our grassroots community on line at johnkerry.com for support as well. I am proud to say that in just two days, johnkerry.com activists raised $225,000 for the Democratic National Committee. It demonstrates how much people want to work together to take this country in a new direction and keep America’s promise. We are a strong and vibrant Party, and I expect we will only get stronger under Howard Dean’s leadership.”


http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/releases/pr_2005_0212.html

[LittleClarkie]

13. Posted on Kos

http://kerrycrat.dailykos.com/story/2005/11/29/185234/67

[Luftmensch067]

14. Recced and tipped! :-) n/t

[ProSense]

15. Excellent! Thanks.

Let's see the comments that attracts.

[jenndar]

16. Rec'd and posted n/t

[TayTay]

20. Not this crap again.

Honestly, someone needs to adjust Kos' medication dosage again. He's off in his own private Idaho again.

When the DNC Chair race began, Kerry did ask Vilsak to run. But Vilsak never ran and never threw his hat in the ring. I think Sen. Kerry kind of backed away from the race then and went and did his thing and waited to see how it would settle out. (This was based on stuff in newspapers like Roll Call. And I'm not sure I trust Roll Call or The Hill. So I take this stuff with a big grain of salt.)

When Howard Dean won, John Kerry gave him a house-warming gift of $1 million dollars from the left-over campaign funds in order to start up the grassroots effort that Dean (and Kerry) treasure. (I bet this was part of the conversations from when Sen. Kerry was in the ME. That and a promise from Gov Dean to be neutral in the primaries, which Gov Dean, by all accounts agreed to because he considers it part of the job to be neutral.) Hey, nothing says loving like something on the order of a cool million to start the party, IMHO. But does Kos ever mention the love? The one Million? No, the ingrate.

And Sen. Kerry was never really DLC. I don't think that gasbag Al From ever really liked him or believed that he was 'one of them.' There was talk, there was some noise and everyone is still consistent in what they did and do.

This DLC stuff is silly. There are some things that Sen. Kerry is very moderate on, witness the adamant insistence on pay-as-you-go budgeting last year. And Sen. Kerry had those very innovative ideas about education and revamping the system that everyone thought was more DLCish. (I thought it was Kerry being Kerry, a thoughtful man who likes to think around corners and see if some new way of doing things might actually bring about a positive difference.)

Kos is hopeless. I never log into that place anymore. I glance at the other posters, see if there is anything worthwhile and then move on. I notice that Kos also managed to mangle Sen. Kerry's plan on withdrawing troops and stabilizing Iraq. He is also a big damn gasbag. I wouldn't read his book if he paid me. He can't teach me anything about grassroots activism, he manages to piss off and drive away at least half the people he encounters. What a dick!

[ProSense]

23. Thanks!

I remember the campaign funds stuff. Kerry was pretty quite about the race for DNC. The next time I saw Kerry on TV addressing DNC stuff was his speech at the DNC winter meeting.

[TayTay]

24. Thanks for posting.

We just added a bunch of political magazine feeds into the news soup at work. (I work at a Lexis/Nexis type co. I read news for a living, more or less, but it's usually corporate stuff. Reading all the new political stuff is just a bonus. I now get Mother Jones, the Nation, Black Scholar, The American Prospect, etc. It's great.)

Anyway, I went and looked this up in the news archives. Kos is full of crap. He makes things up.

Why would anyone want to read a book from him about building grassroots. He can't build grassroots, all he can do is preach to the small band of converted. He puts off as many people as he seems to entrance.

[ProSense]

25. Sounds like a

great job. I'd prefer to read the political stuff though.

[Firespirit]

28. Kos is what happens when you overdose on a laxative...

...without having problems producing enough feces to begin with.

Back when the DNC race was going on, Kos was posting crap about how "Kerry was trying to thwart Dean" and "Kerry had almost used up his campaign war chest to defeat Dean" based solely on this request of Kerry's to Vilsack. That was the sole basis in fact for it; the rest of it was Kos talking out of his ass. I see he hasn't yet dropped it. I also won't forget that entry he made admitting his personal problem with Kerry.

He is absolutely no different and no better than Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly, or any of the right-wing propagandists that make crap up and pass it off as fact. No different whatsoever.

[LittleClarkie]

29. Will we ever know how much of Dean's victory was Dean

and how much was his supporters. Somehow I'd prefer to give it to Dean, as he's my Chairman, and someone who can persuade like that is who I need.

[ray of light]

17. immature child describes Kos and booman. Are they the same person?

It's like talking to a fundie--they hear what they want to hear but the neurons in the brains show no signs of sparking and learning.

[LittleClarkie]

18. Who's Booman? I missed that one

?

[ray of light]

19. Don't click on link from here

copy/paste it into your own browser so it won't be able to id you as from the kerry forum on D.U. Actually, add your http://www. to the rest...that way there is no accidents.

(I'm pretty sure they have trace-back software at Kos and Booman because they can try to build their website from learning what attracks more people from where...)

boomantribune.com/story/2005/11/21/122035/53

[LittleClarkie]

21. Well, isn't he just sweet as all fucking hell

Nice decorum there booman. What was that supposed to mean "This isn't DU".

It certainly is not. I'd take Skinner any day and twice on Sunday. Skinner seems to be a nice and reasonable guy.

Booman has a ways to go to be Skinner, and his Tribune looks like a Kos knockoff.

[ray of light]

22. Exactly

And did you notice the fact that booman and that jbol post at kos as well? (I mean thread headers.)

Sounds like a feeding frenzie of leftie zombies. Empty synapsis in their neurons!

[Island Blue]

10. Kos is a legend in his own mind isn't he?

I wish Dr. Dean could reel his boy in a wee bit.

[karynnj]

12. I wonder if he's still paying him

If so, can he pay him to behave?

[Mass]

26. A rumor started by Jerome Amstrong, if I remember correctly.

I had words with him on his blog at the time, if I remember well.

Anyway, this was at a time where Dean was not even officially candidate, this goes to say and there would be nothing surprising that Kerry would be unofficially supporting somebody whose wife helped so much in Iowa.

The point kos makes here however is totally egocentric. He is explaining that him and his kossaks have outmaneuvered the whole establishment of the Democratic Party to impose their will to leaders, donors, ...
Talk about a big ego. This guy really thinks he is the king (He probably thinks he is better than Dean even, I imagine).

Can we raise money to offer him psychiatry session. Such a big ego requires medical help.

[LittleClarkie]

27. Doesn't that sorta take away from Dean accomplishing this himself

Yeah, Kos, this has nothing to do with Dean winning out and everything to do with you "installing" him. How insulting to Dean.

And frankly, I don't think Dean would appreciate folks sewing division in a party he's trying to heal.

[Mass]

30. Well, I just learned that you should not support reproductive rights

too much, (because, after all, kos said so).

All that because I was saying that kos was not to the left, but centrist.

[ProSense]

31. What Kos said was

I (crap on we) outmaneuvered the Democratic Party to get Dean, a Democrat and former candidate for president on the Democratic ticket, elected to the chair of the Democratic National Committee.

Watch out Mehlman and Rove, this guy is sharp.

If he wanted to write a story about the fact that the doom predicted didn't materialize fine. He chose instead to say his deftness, which I'm sure helped Dean in his efforts, was THE reason Dean got elected.

While he's attacking the rest of the Democratic Party, Dean is working with the entire party to get Democrats elected. People need to visit the site and read what the organization is all about and understand that this BS serves no purpose.