I feel like giving up

[Der Blaue Engel]

Two days ago, I tried to encourage people who were feeling like giving up, and now I'm one of them.

After reading all of the ranting, spit-foaming Kerry hatred out there, I can't see how we can move forward and uncover any more of this fraud, or make any progress.

It seems to me that infiltrators have destroyed DU and are running about laughing in demonic freeper glee, feeding on its entrails. Don't the moderators/admins give a shit? I mean, has it really always been like this and we just got focused for two months in a rare moment of unity?

Maybe it's just me, having a bipolar moment.

Guess I'll check back in the morning and see if it still makes me want to kill myself.

[WildEyedLiberal]

1. Just STAY IN HERE

That's what I have to do. Some of the hate makes me want to cry. It's so cruel and undeserved. And, worst of all, it's starting to infect me too. Because I can tell you that I am starting to hate these lefty freeper self-righteous motherfuckers with every fiber of my being.

Stay in here. The Oasis is always welcoming. We are sane, nice people who love our country and recognize that John Kerry is the best statesman that America has to offer, and a damn fine and decent man to boot. Don't let the bastards grind you down.

(Bonus points to anyone who can tell me what song that last line is from.)

[LittleClarkie]

4. Some of the hate DID make me cry

But it's like the Smear vets. It needs rapid response. So I stay in the fight. 'Cause we don't wanna make THAT mistake again.

[WildEyedLiberal]

6. I would ordinarily agree

But sometimes you just need a break from the hate. And I do commend you for your attempt to reason with these bastards, but sadly, it 9 times out of 10 is in vain. There IS no reasoning with these "people" - it's just hate, smear, lies, all the time, regardless of what valid points you or anyone else make.

Like that fool in the other thread that kept whining and pissing about Kerry's family. I alerted him, and every other Kerrycrat should, too. No way that motherfucker isn't a troll; and even if he isn't, he's too disruptive and hateful for DU. So I guess I do my part, but I just can't bring myself to enter the fray - it just seems like such a futile battle. Maybe I need to have some of John's courage.

:(

[LittleClarkie]

Don't feel bad

I'm just a stubborn bitch.

[JI7]

15. the smear boat vets weren't that big

what hurt was the terrorism issue. the smear boat thing made things bad only in that it was a distraction from discussing of issues that mattered. and it's the same with many of the posters on here. worrying and responding to them is just a waste of time mostly. like the media some of the people have no intention of knowing the truth. they just have an agenda and want to push it.

just alert them if they violate the rules or ignore them. many times what they want is to engage in a fight and why give it to them ?

[WildEyedLiberal]

18. Actually the swift boat shit hurt more than people think

You'd be surprised the number of people whose opinions of Kerry suffered because of that. I say suffered, meaning, non-freepers, whose opinions of him couldn't get any lower. A lot of people interpreted his late response as weakness, appeasment, or guilt. All of which is bullshit, of course, but the bottom line is, it DID hurt.

I blame Shrum and Cahill for that royal fuck-up.

[JI7]

25. yeah, but if he had responded

i imagine it would have been just as negative. they would have said that if it was a non story he should have just moved on and his responding just made it a bigger issue. of course there is no way of knowing for sure. but i just base it on the fact that the media had the facts yet they continued reporting the shit.

it's like they wanted to create some news rather than just report it.

i do remember when he responded the media assholes claimed he had mental problems and needed to get over the vietnam war.

his crewmates actually did hold a press conference to tell the truth but the assholes didn't report it. another problem was when asshole john o'neill would appear on shows he would refuse to appear if they tried to put him up against a competent democrat like max cleland. he only appeared with ones who appeared weak.

but i guess Kerry should have just said something. but because of the pro bush media i just can't be sure it would have helped because it all depends on how they report things.

[WildEyedLiberal]

26. Well you're right that the media bears 99% of the blame

For treating it like entertainment. It was so shameful. Didn't they pull the old "crazy batshit vet" crap on McCain too, in 2000? I have no respect for McCain anymore, but it was disgraceful what they did to denigrate his service... it makes me so furious that these chickenshit draft dodgers think nothing of mocking the sacrifices of men who served. And the whorish media that dutifully obeys its master's every whim is no better.

[angrydemocrat]

29. Yes

They have pulled the shit on McCain, Cleland, and now Kerry! Fucking Bastards need to pay a heavy price for the shit to!

[JI7]

31. just like the non story on Teresa

where they took her comments about laura bush and whether she had a "real job" out of context. what Teresa meant was a job in the sense that one has to work in order to get money to support themselves. but in the same interview or whenever she was speaking she praised Laura Bush for her job as a mother. but the asshole media made it seem like teresa didn't think being a mother was a job.

it's disgusting how they made her out to be some bad person when she is a warm ,caring,compassionate person.

notice the media didn't report on Laura Bush having a mother of a soldier that died in the iraq war arrested.

[WildEyedLiberal]

32. And the disgusting Mary Cheney debacle

Which CNN (the "liberal" media) featured for like a fucking WEEK. Christ on a crutch - Lynne Cheney, that BITCH, feigning outrage about mean old John Kerry calling out her daughter for being a lesbian, when they're the ones who use her to recruit gay repukes and then shun her once the fundies get in the room.

Foul, vile, loathsome beasts, the lot of them.

[JI7]

34. Lynne Cheney is a cold disgusting bitch

i remember in 2000 she got angry when asked if her daughter was a lesbian and tried to deny it. disgusting bitch ashamed of her daughter. and now her fake outrage for political reasons.

she also made a joke about Kerry's reported "orange tan" from Drudge when she said at some appearance something about something being as orange as john kerry's tan. when one of her grandkids dressed up as the grim reaper she said that's what you get with john kerry's health care plan.

it must suck to be her and married to that dumb dick. she wishes she had a guy like kerry.

[WildEyedLiberal]

35. Well, I'd be a resentful cruel bitch too

If I were married to fucking heartless demonspawn Darth Vader. I remember, re: the Mary thing, she said that John Kerry was "not a good man." She knows that's bullshit as surely as we do. She has to wish she had an incredible, real man like John instead of her pasty subpar Dr. Evil substitute. Or, maybe she really is that evil and cold, in which case she can burn in the fires of hell along with her sneering bastard mate.

[angrydemocrat]

40. OMG That Fuckin Bitch!

That is one bitch I hate with a passion! Damn I wish you hadn't even brought that bitch up! OMG what I wouldn't do to be able to get my hands on that lousy sorry ass, stupid ass bitch just one damn time! OMG I would kick that bitches ass so bad she would wish the hell she was dead when I finished with her ugly ass! SHEESH Never in my life have I ever hated a woman the way I do that one! If looks could kill that bitch would have been dead along time ago!

But since I know that I will never get that privilege and she wouldn't be worth the time you would have to spend in jail over it I will sit back and hope the bitch drops dead for whatever reason!

That one day that she made that dumbass fuckin remark about some dudes orange shirt matched John Kerry's tan I was hoping and praying something would fall from the ceiling and hit the bitch in the head killing her on the spot! Live on national television for the whole world to see! That dumbass, ugly ass bitch just wishes she was something people would want to look at. Hell she is lucky she found that fat bald headed fucker she is married would have her. Both make a good match because nobody in their right mind would ever want them, both are so damn ugly that had to replace all the mirrors in the home with shatter proof mirrors, both have shit for brains, and both could be nicknamed Casper!

[Withywindle]

65. Grrrr!!

That shit REALLY pissed me off.

Funny, I didn't hear a peep out of her when it came up in the Edwards-Cheney debate TOO, nor when Alan Fucking Keyes called Mary a "selfish hedonist." Guess the polls didn't indicate it would be useful to feign hurt and outrage then.

Fucking crocodile tears bitch, USING her own child to score dirty political points.

[WildEyedLiberal]

66. There's a special place in hell

For "human" shit like that.

[angrydemocrat]

39. I know I never figured that shit out myself

They just wait for her to open her mouth over anything at anytime just so they could spin the hell out of what she said. That shit use to piss me off. I don't know what their damn problem was with her but they were constantly trashing her and making shit out to be something it wasn't. I use to think man this woman is going to really blow her top before this whole thing is over and tell these asshole where the hell to go and to stick where the sun don't shine. But she was cool about it all she handled it better than what most women could have. Most would have went off. I guess these assholes think women are suppose to be like that dumb bitch at the White House and don't speak or move unless you are told to. And I don't know about you but I always did and still say that bitch has a drug or alcohol problem if not both. The bitch looks stoned out of her mind everytime you see her. Her damn eyes are always blood shot and glassy looking as hell. But hell being married to that ugly illiterate dumbass would do that to anyone.

[Der Blaue Engel]

8. As nice as it is in here

I need to keep up on the election fraud investigation and reform efforts.

And I just don't see anyone moving forward on that front right now. It's all "how can I make the Democratic party and Kerry in particular pay?" Strikes me as not terribly, oh, I don't know Democratic.

But I very much appreciated this evening's LLL thread. You are not just wild-eyed, WEL! :D

[WildEyedLiberal]

19. Mwahaha

Thanks ;)

[JI7]

2. some advice

ignore most of it if you can't handle it. DU has always been pretty anti Kerry. but DU is not really a reflection of the population as a whole. i use to feel like you do and sometimes still do during the primaries. but i learned that it's better to get out there and do something than to worry about some posts from the haters.

i ignore most of it now. i do respond at times but it's really not worth it a lot of the times. just alert if you think something is over the top or violates the rules.

[Der Blaue Engel]

10. I was ignoring several

But as Faye or seito (I think?) have pointed out, they multiply like Gremlins.

What was it that killed the Gremlins...was it light? Hmmmm.....

[seito]

3. I know exactly what you mean

I was uplifted yesterday to find out that Testy had finally met his just fate. I think that the Admins are getting frustrated with the tone that DU has taken and seem to be encouraging users to alert on threads that cross some sort of subjective line.

Most people here have suggested ignoring certain users or ignoring threads altogether. For what it's worth, I have found your posts to be very inspiring. I hope that you will get some rest and come on back fighting :)

[LittleClarkie]

5. Testy's gone?

Forgive me but:

(dances around in a circle)
Ding dong the witch is dead
Which old witch? The wicked witch.
Ding dong the stupid witch is dead!

[WildEyedLiberal]

7. Oh yes

Found this out yesterday. It was JOYOUS. Now we need to get that other disruptor gone. He's as bad as testy.

[saracat]

9. Are you talking about Invisible Ballots?

I have been arguing with him all day.I swear he is seventhson reincarnated!

[angrydemocrat]

11. YES!

I think it is testy under a new name. Damn what a ass!

[saracat]

12. I will eat my hat if he is legit. I have NEVER

seen anything as bad. I looked up his other posts and it is awful on everything.He has another poster who has popped up following him around and agreeing with him and stirring things up! One accused me a being a freeper!

[seito]

17. Did you alert?

[LittleClarkie]

23. I did just now

I called him a divisive shmuck who isn't even bothering with the facts. And he's not either. What we're trying to tell him is biography stuff, and what he's spouting is anti-rich hatred.

The last posters to make me angry though was the one who wants to send retirement cards to Kerry, and the ones who want him removed as Senator.

Geez, how childish. We should be spending our negative energy against Bush, not Kerry.

[Der Blaue Engel]

30. yep, that's the one that got me

And I alerted on that. "Hi, I've come out of nowhere to say something deliberately divisive and pointless, aren't I cute?" :eyes:

[saracat]

24. I sure did!

I am exhausted with all this alerting, but it has to be done.They are nasty little trolls and will build up impressive post counts if not stopped!

[seito]

16. No, Testy is malatesta

[WildEyedLiberal]

20. YES

Motherfucker.

[rockymountaindem]

47. I never got to see Testy

Who was he or she? Are we allowed to talk about tombstoned posters or not?

[WildEyedLiberal]

49. A REALLY obnoxious Kerry hater

Called him a coward, spineless, DLC, Skull and Bones conspirator - all the stupid, ignorant, RW shit basically.

He contributed nothing positive to DU. You didn't miss much.

[Der Blaue Engel]

13. Thanks, seito, it always makes me feel better when I see you out there

and others fighting the good fight. :)

[saracat]

14. Don't give up DBA. They are not really that many.

They are infiltraitors and plants and they are loud. Just use your alert button.I swear mine is broken by now. But these are NOT real. What is disgusting is the post count some have gotten to. Most joined just after the election or there abouts and are already in the thousands! You can go search them and I did before I alerted on some and I am amazed some have survived! But the Mods will get them. We will be back to normal soon. Just hide in here a while!:pals:

[WildEyedLiberal]

21. Yeah I alerted

That Ballots motherfucker. He was worse than badhead, I think. GOD. *shudders*

Must go look at Kerry beefcake to cleanse self...

[Der Blaue Engel]

37. Heh, well...I've only been here since the week after the election...

...and I'm already in the "700 Club." :scared: ;)

But, yes, that's what they seem like. I've done some alerting and put IB on ignore and now I feel much better. :)

Plus, I just went into the bathroom to take out my contact lenses and saw my Wellbutrin (antidepressants) lying there on the counter from this morning...LOL...this explains much. :D

[saracat]

22. And if it makes you feel any better they are arguing about other things

as well. There is another one who is arguing with me about Mel Gibson. I believe he thinks he is being criticized for being a Christian. I am in trouble because I won't cheer his movie ! I am apparently anti-Christian because I didn't like Mel's comments earlier this year regarding Micheal J. Fox. He told him to accept his condition and deal with it like a man instead of researching stem cell. Urgh. So it isn't just anti-Kerry. These twerps fight over everything.There is even a woman, and long time DUer, who said she remembers it being better for woman before abortion rights! Go figure.

[angrydemocrat]

27. I Don't Like Mel Gibson No Damn Way

But I didn't know he said that about Micheal J.Fox WTF kind of remark was that to make to someone and who in the hell does he think he is to tell anybody any damn thing. That sorry ass motherfucker! I hope the bastard rots in hell because he sure as hell isn't a christian as he claims. He's as christian as that lying bastard that is a occupier at the White House! Both are are sorry ass lying sacks of shit!

[saracat]

36. Thank you. You are much better at expressing my feelings

than I was!

[sandnsea]

28. Election Integrity

Committee on House Administration
http://www.house.gov/cha /

Election Assistance Commission
http://www.eac.gov /

We just have to decide exactly what it is we want and go to work.

Registrations with signed receipts. Groups and registration businesses keep names and signatures and submit them to the SoS.

Paper BALLOTS, not trails.

Open source machine code.

ONLY Presidential, Senate & Congressional elections. No ballot issues or state elections during national campaigns. That way we can nationalize the process.

I would really like to push for national mail-in elections. Despite the naysayers, it works incredibly well. And ends the touch screen voting once and for all.

[JI7]

33. do you know

if in order to make such things a requirement nationally that a constitutional amendment is required ?

i know states can voluntarily agree to do the same thing. but do we need a constitutional amendment for it to be a requirement ?

i ask because i think the issue of voting is considered a state issue based on the contitution. that's why standards are so different. but an amendment would change this.

[sandnsea]

38. It is state law

But they're requiring some things, like machines, so I don't understand why they can't require some other things if they're framed as equal protection. I think that's the current basis for federal election laws, the Civil Rights Act and equal protection. But I'm not sure.

[seito]

41. Hey Guys

InvisibleBallots

[New Earth]

42. woohoo!

i was waiting for that :hi:

[ginnyinWI]

43. I was one who pushed "alert" on that one! It works! n/t

[saracat]

44. I think it might have been our "mass effort".

We need to do this more often!

[JI7]

46. yes, i alerted it on many of the posts which were obvious

violations of the rules and on some i alerted multiple times demanding to know why that person had not been banned yet.

i also explained in my alert that it sounded like it was a former Kerry hating DU member who revealed itself to be a freeper on election day.

criticisms are allowed such as people saying they are disappointed kerry didn' do what boxer did or that they wont support him in the future.

but saying things like Kerry is as evil as bush and kerry and his supporters are behind the right wing agenda is clearly a violation.

it's also not uncommon for them to claim to be dean supporters or supporters of some other democrat in order to provide cover for themselves.

[JI7]

45. HAHHAHA, I just saw that

signed on to DU and went to that disgusting thread which was supposed to be about focusing on Bush and Republicans instead of some of the bashing(not legitimate criticism) of Kerry and other Democrats but had turned into a bash Kerry thread. and checked out his profile and saw he was tombstoned.

[WildEyedLiberal]

48. SCORE another victory for the Kerrycrats!

Cleaning up the pollution at DU, one troll at a time.

I think in my alert I said that, while I have no problem with opposing viewpoints or contructive or valid criticism, what this poster had said was over the top, belligerent, illogical, and clearly a vicious personal attack.

Glad to see he's gone.

[Der Blaue Engel]

50. Hot diggity dog!

(Don't know why that expression popped into my head, but I can't make it leave.) :D

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

52. Must...not...violate...rules

but glad to see mods are on the case.

[seito]

53. lol

We NEVER violate DU rules in the John Kerry group

:evilgrin:

[WildEyedLiberal]

54. Ha

No, never. :crazy:

[angrydemocrat]

57. "LMAO"

Kerrycrats violate the rules? Ahhh Never:evilgrin:

[WildEyedLiberal]

58. We're always proper

*snicker*...*snort*

(Why isn't there a laughing smiley?)

[angrydemocrat]

60. Scroll Down

Seito has a funny one LOL! We need to figure out how to get those LOL!

[vinessa4freedom]

51. I just saw your thread...

It seems like you have the urge to go relaxed, but just in case...DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON'T GOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!! Can't lose a true Kerrycrat DBA. Stick around.

[bunny planet]

55. Hang it there,and hang out in here until you feel better.

They don't dare come in this forum for very long, or I thump them with my bunny feet and hit the snooze button on them.

Read Will Pitt's interview with Cam Kerry today.

And don't let the leftyfreepers get you down (or the righty ones for that matter).

NGU

[seito]

56. Did I ever tell you that you crack me up

[angrydemocrat]

59. LMAO Seito

You are starting to remind me of txindy with the cartoons LOL! He use to make me laugh all the time. I wish he hung out in here more. But you are starting to pick up his talent LOL!

[seito]

61. txindy is my Hero

BTW, do NOT challenge that individual to a duel.

[bunny planet]

64. Likewise I'm sure.

[bunny planet]

62. i meant hang IN there.

[vinessa4freedom]

63. LOL freudian slip

I have to keep editing myself when I spend too much time in the kinks.