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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 09:32 PM
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How many Wars have been started over Religion?
Edited on Sat Nov-08-08 09:40 PM by sarcasmo
It would be nice to have a list of wars started by Religion, or over a Religious disagreement, so I can throw it back at those who have imaginary friends.

Edited for spelling.
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 10:19 PM
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1. Won't work
Just bring up the Crusades and see what happens. Prepare to be astonished as they insist the impetus for every one them was secular, not sectarian.
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 04:18 PM
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8. An excuse for everything, Religion never ceases to amaze me.
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 07:08 PM
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9. Absofuckinglutely. n/t
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 12:46 AM
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2. Religion is a death machine...
The Crusades, the Inquisitions and through out history people have suffered at the mercy of religious ideals. Because, in the early history. Religion ruled and reason was no scarce if not no where to be found.

The Dark Ages is an entire era of religious rule and religion can be blamed for the plague. The number of people that have been killed in the name of some religious ideology is more than the number of people killed in all modern wars combined.
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enlightenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 01:01 AM
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3. Crimey - where do you want to start?
As mentioned, the Crusades.

The French Wars of Religion - those were really fun. Not.

The Thirty Years War.

The Reconquista.

The Troubles (N.Ireland).

umm - smaller scale - Henry VIII's purges, followed by daughter Mary's purges, followed by sister Liz's purges.

The English Civil War was essentially a religious war, dressed up in some fancy secular clothes.
Monmouth's Rebellion was purely an attempt to remove a Catholic king from the throne.

Religion of whatever stripe is the best excuse ever to kill other people and get away with it!
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 08:33 PM
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10. Taiping Rebellion - 20 to 30 million dead, 19th century
Hung, however, did nothing with these visions until seven years later when he began to study with Issachar J. Roberts, a Southern Baptist minister who taught him everything he would know about Christianity. With the Christianity of Roberts, Hung, some relatives, and some followers formed a new religious sect, the God Worshippers, that dedicated itself to the destruction of idols in the region around Canton.

The movement attracted followers for a variety of reasons. Western historians argue that the famines of the 1840's inspired the Chinese to join various movements that were successfully feeding and taking care of themselves. Chinese historians stress the anti-Manchu rhetoric of Hung's early movement. While the God Worshippers were dedicated to the destruction of idols and the stamping out of demon worship, it's clear that they felt that the Manchu rulers were the primary propagators of demon worship. In Hung's early philosophy, he seems to have arrived at the conclusion that the overthrow of the Manchus would help bring in the Kingdom of Heaven on earth.

The movement, however, did not become open revolt until the government started to harass the God Worshippers systematically. Combined with his belief that the Kingdom of Heaven would be established on the ruins of the Manchu government, the God Worshippers were also militantly organized to destroy and eliminate demon worship. In the late 1840's, Hung reorganized his movement into a military organization. He and other leaders systematically began to build up a treasury (all believers had to give their property to the movement), consolidate forces, and lay up a store of weapons. In December of 1850, Hung was attacked by government forces and, since he had spent so much time preparing for war, he successfuly turned back the attack. In 1851, Hung declared that a new kingdom had been established, the Kingdom of Heavenly Peace; he himself was the Heavenly King and the era of the Taiping, or "Great Peace," had begun.

The Kingdom of Heavenly Peace was a theocratic state with the Heavenly King as Absolute Ruler. Its objective, as implied by its name, was the achievement of peace and prosperity in China with all people worshipping the one and only one god. It consisted of a single hierarchy which undertook all administrative, religious, and military duties. The movement was founded on a radical economic reform program in which all wealth was equally distributed to all members of society. Taiping society itself would be a classless society with no distinctions between people; all members of Taiping society were "brothers" and "sisters" with all the attendant duties and obligations traditionally associated with those relationships in Chinese society. Women were the social and economic equal of men; many administrative posts in the new Kingdom were assigned to women This social and economic reform, combined with its passionate anti-Manchu nationalism, made the Kingdom of Heavenly Peace a magnet for all the Chinese suffering under the dislocations and disasters of the mid-century.

http://www.wsu.edu/~dee/CHING/TAIPING.HTM


There's a sort of proto-communism in there too; but the religious aspect of it is vital too.
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Lost-in-FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 01:52 AM
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4. How about those wars at the GD:P and GD:GLBT over prop 8? nt
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laconicsax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 01:22 PM
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6. I thought those are about whether a small minority of voters were to blame.
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Lost-in-FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 01:35 PM
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7. It seems like it too.
We humans are good at distributing the blame. That is why religion works so well for some.
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onager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 01:15 PM
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5. I'm glad that couldn't possibly happen in America...
In 1844, for instance, at the urging of the local bishop, the Philadelphia school board permitted Roman Catholic children in the public schools to read from their own version of the Bible, the Douay Version.

The American Protestant Association was outraged. Mass meetings were held, two Roman Catholic churches were burned, and the rioting was stopped only when the bishop ordered all his churches closed.

At the church of St. Philip Neri several people were killed. The church was broken open and only the presence of the militia, the mayor and the governor prevented its being burned to the ground...

Numerous other confrontations followed this incident, as competing religious sects fought over the content of school prayers or other religious instruction in public schools.

In 1854, for instance, a mob attacked a Roman Catholic priest in Maine after he urged his followers to seek legal remedies against mandatory Protestant verse in the state's public schools. Fifteen years later, in 1869 there were similar confrontations in Cincinnati when Roman Catholic parents went to court in order to remove their children from religious exercises in the city's school system.


http://www.atheists.org/publicschools/battle.html

More detailed history at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia_Nativist_Riots
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