I need help ...

[flyarm]

i am so sick of the lies about my state of Fla..breaking the rules of the primaries..

Fla became the first state in the nation to totally ban DRE voting machines,,and to by law require VOTER VERIFIED PAPER BALLOTS

the bill that did that..is the bill the republican run state legislature hung the move of the Primary date on..

Howard Dean knew that..

the only network that has reported it with any truth..and they do it as an after fact is CNN

they told the truth about it a couple times today..woo hoo..someone finally told the truth about it.


i am so damn sick of the lies..and Dean it seems has no problem telling lies about it as well..he knows damn well why the Fla Dem legislators signed that bill.

it would have been suicide if they hadn't


and yet South Carolina had their Republican legislature do the same thing..they moved their primary date.

they weren't punished at all!

Now i have and many of us here in Fla have our own feelings of why this was done to us and not SC...but i won't digress..but think Dean = Obama..

Dean had only offered one solution to Florida..a caucus...

well a huge # of our citizens are seniors and infirmed..and we have many transien ts..and many snow birds..that are Fla Residents..

many would not have been here to Caucus..

Dean also prob had a real good idea..Fla would go to Hillary..gee...........


what i need help with is not all of the above..but to get the damn truth out..

and here it is...

if you see the lies..please correct them...

seems like i said only CNN has bothered with facts..and truth!

gee and South Carolina when they changed their date against the rules..they didn't even get Voter Verified Paper Ballots..but Mr Dean did not punish them...

seems we in Florida got punished for banning DRE machines and for a law requiring Voter Verified Paper Ballots..and our dems signed the bill that the repigs tied together with a primary date change..

wow Mr Dean is doing a fine job with dirty tricks against we dems .. for the repiglicans here in Fla!

steal our votes..again.....this time..by the democrats..



thank you

Fly..a 2004 Dem Delegate for Florida

here are facts.............

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http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/08/09/sc.gop.primary/i...


http://www.fladems.com/page/content/makeitcount-faqs/#q...

The Rules say you had to try to stop the primary move, but Democrats voted for the law. What gives?
Initially, before a specific date had been decided upon by the Republicans, some Democrats did actively support the idea of moving earlier in the calendar year. That changed when Speaker Rubio(r) announced he wanted to break the Rules of the Democratic and Republican National Committees. Following this announcement, DNC and Florida Democratic Party staff talked about the possibility that our primary date would move up in violation of Rule 11.A.

Party leaders, Chairwoman Thurman and members of Congress then lobbied Democratic members of the Legislature through a variety of means to prevent the primary from moving earlier than February 5th. Party leadership and staff spent countless hours discussing our opposition to and the ramifications of a pre-February 5th primary with legislators, former and current Congressional members, DNC members, DNC staff, donors, activists, county leaders, media, legislative staff, Congressional staff, municipal elected officials, constituency leaders, labor leaders and counterparts in other state parties. In response to the Party’s efforts, Senate Democratic Leaders Geller and Wilson and House Democratic Leaders Gelber and Cusack introduced amendments to CS/HB 537 to hold the Presidential Preference Primary on the first Tuesday in February, instead of January 29th. These were both defeated by the overwhelming Republican majority in each house.

The primary bill, which at this point had been rolled into a larger legislation train, went to a vote in both houses. It passed almost unanimously. The final bill contained a whole host of elections legislation, much of which Democrats did not support. However, in legislative bodies, the majority party can shove bad omnibus legislation down the minority’s throats by attaching a couple of things that made the whole bill very difficult, if not impossible, to vote against.

This is what the Republicans did in Florida, including a vital provision to require a paper trail for Florida elections. There was no way that any Florida Democratic Party official or Democratic legislative leader could ask our Democratic members, especially those in the Florida Legislative Black Caucus, to vote against a paper trail for our elections. It would have been embarrassing, futile, and, moreover, against Democratic principles.





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thanks..

[saracat]

1. I will do what I can.

[glowing]

2. I understand the reason why the vote was changed. However, many

states have different primary days... Could it have ever been conceivable to anyone in this state to push for a Feb 5th voting day for the Dems, and let the Repigs go the week before? The way the DLC has been working hand in hand with the Repigs is absolutely disgusting. The real problem I see is that the candidates signed a pledge to not campaign in Florida and signed a pledge to follow the rules if Florida jumped up their primary date. People sit around now screaming about their vote and this isn't fair.. but in reality, the candidates themselves signed the pledge. Why weren't they going to Dean and asking him to let up on the rules or do what the repigs did, give half the delegates? They didn't fight for the votes then, why is it fair to ask for them now?

At the end of the day, Florida doesn't matter. The state will go to McCain. There are way too many people who won't vote for Clinton or Obama. Maybe I'm wrong, but the people I have worked with on progressive issues are burned out and ready to go home, get their affairs in order, and let the shit hit the fan. We've been in Afganastan since 2001. We've been Iraq for 5 years. We have a President with approval ratings at 19%, and still the Congress are going to give him retro-active immunity.. you want to see the economy jump start, let the lawsuits go to court.

I don't mean to be pessimistic, but we are all about to become much more community based.. with gas prices, jobs, and the most of America crumbling.. its going to be about taking care of ourselves. How much more obvious can the corruption be? We are paying taxes for nothing. Our representatives aren't abiding by us or the constitution. Its been a sham for a while now, its just been overtly obvious these past 8 yrs.

[flyarm]

4. the state will prob go to Hillary..but never to Obama..

you can't fool these old people..

and if Obama is the dem Choice..he will lose Fla by a landslide.
Dems will vote for McCain..

we have the largest block of Vets in the country..they will vote McCain over Obama..

Many will vote Hillary..because they remember good times and good economy under the clintons..and the older folk really understand health insurance..they know Obama's plan is BS..

it would be close clinton/mccain...no contest with Obama..he will get slaughtered.

fly

[glowing]

5. I agree. Clinton has a chance. Obama.. no.. not with the hispanic population

and the elderly. Maybe I'm wrong, but dems I know in the south (Carolinas) are voting for McCain only on his service record... they don't like any of the choices. And its the south. Maybe when the GE can begin, then it may change their minds.

[shimmergal]

3. flyarm, thanks, I'll do what

I can too, but my "circle of influence" is pretty small.

I figured there was some sort of poison pill behind the reason the Florida Democrats supposedly did themselves in with the early date.

But as for the no campaigning pledge, geez! I wish we could get a version of that enacted nationwide. If those ruinously expensive TV ads didn't exist. there wouldn't be the need to take oodles of money from lobbyist sources. The people of Florida managed to get informed anyway, didn't they, by relying on nationally broadcast debates and news, and print and internet sources.