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dotymed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 10:53 AM
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WE HAVE NO CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO PRIVACY
Edited on Thu Feb-04-10 10:54 AM by dotymed
I am taking an online political science course. I was floored to learn that the only "privacy rights" we have, were "given" to us by the SCOTUS. We have all witnessed the neo-con activist current SCOTUS disregard "settled law" and "legislate from the bench" when they (5-4) decided to allow unlimited corporate "donations" to political campaigns. Here is what I learned :


The Right of Privacy
The Issue: Does the Constitution protect the right of privacy? If so, what aspects of privacy receive protection?
Introduction


The U. S. Constitution contains no express right to privacy. The Bill of Rights, however, reflects the concern of James Madison and other framers for protecting specific aspects of privacy, such as the privacy of beliefs (1st Amendment), privacy of the home against demands that it be used to house soldiers (3rd Amendment), privacy of the person and possessions as against unreasonable searches (4th Amendment), and the 5th Amendment's privilege against self-incrimination, which provides protection for the privacy of personal information. In addition, the Ninth Amendment states that the "enumeration of certain rights" in the Bill of Rights "shall not be construed to deny or disparage other rights retained by the people." The meaning of the Ninth Amendment is elusive, but some persons (including Justice Goldberg in his Griswold concurrence) have interpreted the Ninth Amendment as justification for broadly reading the Bill of Rights to protect privacy in ways not specifically provided in the first eight amendments.

The question of whether the Constitution protects privacy in ways not expressly provided in the Bill of Rights is controversial. Many originalists, including most famously Judge Robert Bork in his ill-fated Supreme Court confirmation hearings, have argued that no such general right of privacy exists. The Supreme Court, however, beginning as early as 1923 and continuing through its recent decisions, has broadly read the "liberty" guarantee of the Fourteenth Amendment to guarantee a fairly broad right of privacy that has come to encompass decisions about child rearing, procreation, marriage, and termination of medical treatment. Polls show most Americans support this broader reading of the Constitution.

The Supreme Court, in two decisions in the 1920s, read the Fourteenth Amendment's liberty clause to prohibit states from interfering with the private decisions of educators and parents to shape the education of children. In Meyer v Nebraska (1923), the Supreme Court struck down a state law that prohibited the teaching of German and other foreign languages to children until the ninth grade. The state argued that foreign languages could lead to inculcating in students "ideas and sentiments foreign to the best interests of this country." The Court, however, in a 7 to 2 decision written by Justice McReynolds concluded that the state failed to show a compelling need to infringe upon the rights of parents and teachers to decide what course of education is best for young students. Justice McReynolds wrote:

"While this court has not attempted to define with exactness the liberty thus guaranteed, the term has received much consideration and some of the included things have been definitely stated. Without doubt, it denotes not merely freedom from bodily restraint but also the right of the individual to contract, to engage in any of the common occupations of life, to acquire useful knowledge, to marry, establish a home and bring up children, to worship God according to the dictates of his own conscience, and generally to enjoy those privileges long recognized at common law as essential to the orderly pursuit of happiness by free men."

Two years late, in Pierce v Society of Sisters, the Court applied the principles of Meyer to strike down an Oregon law that compelled all children to attend public schools, a law that would have effectively closed all parochial schools in the state.

The privacy doctrine of the 1920s gained renewed life in the Warren Court of the 1960s when, in Griswold v Connecticut (1965), the Court struck down a state law prohibiting the possession, sale, and distribution of contraceptives to married couples. Different justifications were offered for the conclusion, ranging from Court's opinion by Justice Douglas that saw the "penumbras" and "emanations" of various Bill of Rights guarantees as creating "a zone of privacy," to Justice Goldberg's partial reliance on the Ninth Amendment's reference to "other rights retained by the people," to Justice Harlan's decision arguing that the Fourteenth Amendment's liberty clause forbade the state from engaging in conduct (such as search of marital bedrooms for evidence of illicit contraceptives) that was inconsistent with a government based "on the concept of ordered liberty."

In 1969, the Court unanimously concluded that the right of privacy protected an individual's right to possess and view pornography (including pornography that might be the basis for a criminal prosecution against its manufacturer or distributor) in his own home. Drawing support for the Court's decision from both the First and Fourth Amendments, Justice Marshall wrote in Stanley v Georgia:

"Whatever may be the justifications for other statutes regulating obscenity, we do not think they reach into the privacy of one's own home. If the First Amendment means anything, it means that a State has no business telling a man, sitting alone in his own house, what books he may read or what films he may watch. Our whole constitutional heritage rebels at the thought of giving government the power to control men's minds."

The Burger Court extended the right of privacy to include a woman's right to have an abortion in Roe v Wade (1972), but thereafter resisted several invitations to expand the right. Kelley v Johnson (1976), in which the Court upheld a grooming regulation for police officers, illustrates the trend toward limiting the scope of the "zone of privacy." (The Court left open, however, the question of whether government could apply a grooming law to members of the general public, who it assumed would have some sort of liberty interest in matters of personal appearance.) Some state courts, however, were not so reluctant about pushing the zone of privacy to new frontiers. The Alaska Supreme Court went as far in the direction of protecting privacy rights as any state. In Ravin v State (1975), drawing on cases such as Stanley and Griswold but also basing its decision on the more generous protection of the Alaska Constitution's privacy protections, the Alaska Supreme Court found constitutional protection for the right of a citizen to possess and use small quantities of marijuana in his own home.

In more recent decades, the Court recognized in Cruzan v Missouri Department of Health (1990) that individuals have a liberty interest that includes the right to make decisions to terminate life-prolonging medical treatments (although the Court accepted that states can impose certain conditions on the exercise of that right). In 2003, in Lawrence v Texas, the Supreme Court, overruling an earlier decision, found that Texas violated the liberty clause of two gay men when it enforced against them a state law prohibiting homosexual sodomy. Writing for the Court in Lawrence, Justice Kennedy reaffirmed in broad terms the Constitution's protection for privacy:

"These matters, involving the most intimate and personal choices a person may make in a lifetime, choices central to personal dignity and autonomy, are central to the liberty protected by the Fourteenth Amendment. At the heart of liberty is the right to define one’s own concept of existence, of meaning, of the universe, and of the mystery of human life....The petitioners are entitled to respect for their private lives. The State cannot demean their existence or control their destiny by making their private sexual conduct a crime. Their right to liberty under the Due Process Clause gives them the full right to engage in their conduct without intervention of the government. 'It is a promise of the Constitution that there is a realm of personal liberty which the government may not enter.'”

One question that the Court has wrestled with through its privacy decisions is how strong of an interest states must demonstrate to overcome claims by individuals that they have invaded a protected liberty interest. Earlier decisions such as Griswold and Roe suggested that states must show a compelling interest and narrowly tailored means when they have burdened fundamental privacy rights, but later cases such as Cruzan and Lawrence have suggested the burden on states is not so high.

The future of privacy protection remains an open question. Justices Scalia and Thomas, for example, are not inclined to protect privacy beyond those cases raising claims based on specific Bill of Rights guarantees. The public, however, wants a Constitution that fills privacy gaps and prevents an overreaching Congress from telling the American people who they must marry, how many children they can have, or when they must go to bed. The best bet is that the Court will continue to recognize protection for a general right of privacy.

Cases
Meyer v Nebraska (1923)
Griswold v Connecticut (1965)
Stanley v Georgia (1969)
Ravin v State (1975)
Kelley v Johnson (1976)
Cruzan v. Missouri Dep't. of Health (1990)
Lawrence v Texas (2003)


We must get a Constitutional Amendment to protect our "RIGHT TO PRIVACY." Now I realize why it was so easy to monitor everyones computers, phones, library preferences, etc.... it is not against any constitutional law!
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 10:57 AM
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1. No, we have no EXPRESS right to privacy
Big difference.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 11:23 AM
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7. We couldn't have presumption of innoncence or the right to not incriminate ourselves
Edited on Thu Feb-04-10 11:25 AM by rocktivity
if the Consititution didn't infer a right to privacy.

:patriot:
rocktivity

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dotymed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 11:30 AM
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8. Inference does not matter
We ned a constitutional guarantee. SCOTUS can change it's decisions as recent events prove....
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 11:38 AM
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12. Inference, aka "interpretation", matters very much
and you could spell it out word for word in the Constitution - but if some future leader really wanted to break it - brother, it's gone.
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T Wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 10:57 AM
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2. Why wouldn't this also apply to guns? Even granting (which I don't) the RKBA, there is nothing
that says that the government does not have the right to know, track, and publicize who is keeping and bearing those arms.
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NoNothing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 11:13 AM
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5. Most likely
Of course, just because it's constitutional doesn't mean it's a good idea.
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dotymed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 11:39 AM
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13. unrec'd? lol
Your comment escaped me...
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dotymed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 11:32 AM
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9. Again,
that would be a privacy issue.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 11:12 AM
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3. Problematic is the fact that privacy rights can always be abridged, modified, or banned by a future
Supreme Court.
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Jim__ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 11:12 AM
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4. You'll never get a constitutional amendment protecting the right to privacy.
Roe v Wade was decided based on the right to privacy implicit in the 14th amendment:

3. State criminal abortion laws, like those involved here, that except from criminality only a life-saving procedure on the mother's behalf without regard to the stage of her pregnancy and other interests involved violate the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, which protects against state action the right to privacy, including a woman's qualified right to terminate her pregnancy. Though the State cannot override that right, it has legitimate interests in protecting both the pregnant woman's health and the potentiality of human life, each of which interests grows and reaches a "compelling" point at various stages of the woman's approach to term. Pp. 147-164.

more...


Can you imagine the fight that rw fundies would put up on this? IIRC, constitutional amendments require super-majorities.
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dotymed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 11:35 AM
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10. I know, maybe not..?
Roe-vs-Wade was addressed in the post. The reversal of "settled law" by the SCOTUS would allow Roe to be overturned easily.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 11:19 AM
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6. They didn't use the specific word
but they did pass the fourth amendment.

Then we got the War on Drugs and gutted it.
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dotymed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 11:38 AM
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11. How about the "war on terra ?"
now our phones and computers etc.. can be monitored. The rw are paranoid. They might go for a Privacy amendment.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 01:49 PM
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15. They'll go for it only when it's the right, not the left,
that is being subjected to such intense scrutiny. They really couldn't care less as long as it's the left. They're more paranoid about us than they are about government snooping which they think is keeping them safe and sound in their snug little beds.
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dotymed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 11:42 AM
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14. one "rec." for a Privacy Amendment, on DU?
:wtf:
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rusty_rebar Donating Member (118 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 10:50 PM
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16. The 4th Amendment reads:
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

What more is privacy then that?



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veganpuffs Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 06:06 PM
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17. I'm awfully surprised it wasn't an amendment actually
Even though it was not in the constitution, the founders of this nation, and the people who lived in it would have wanted as much privacy as possible. They would not want anyone knowing what was going on in they're own homes, the misogyny, rape, domestic abuse, ect. It is why privacy and the patriarchy go hand in hand. I would not be surprised if the republicans wanted to make it an amendment.
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RationalAltruism Donating Member (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 02:50 AM
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18. Unfortunately most of those with control over our political system
are the ones most likely oppose rights to privacy.

Personally, I don't care all that much about it, because if I'm not doing anything illegal, invasions of my privacy aren't likely to affect me negatively in any way. Unless, of course, the data collection has a possibility of being compromised and exploited by outside sources, which doesn't seem unlikely, given the government's record on such issues.
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