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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 12:43 PM
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If you've been ignoring Vitamin D. Listen up. Scientists taking vitamin D in droves
Edited on Mon Jul-26-10 12:47 PM by snagglepuss
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Those researching the sunshine vitamin are so convinced of its benefits they’re popping far more than the recommended amounts.

Bruce Hollis, a pediatrics professor at the Medical University of South Carolina in Charleston, has spent years studying whether more of the sunshine vitamin would help pregnant and breastfeeding women and their babies.

Dr. Hollis is so convinced about the possible health benefits that he has been taking 4,000 International Units daily, for years, but recently upped it to 6,000 IU, to raise his blood levels of the nutrient.

“I don’t know of anybody who is studying this who isn’t taking” the vitamin in robust amounts, Dr. Hollis says.











http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health/scientists-taking-vitamin-d-in-droves/article1649132/





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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 12:45 PM
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1. I was taking 1000 IU a day, but it hasn't budged my blood level.
Now taking 2000 and will retest.

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Dorian Gray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 11:58 PM
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15. I'm on 4000 IU a day
which seems like a lot to me, but my perinatal specialist wanted to raise my levels to 60. They were at 35. (I am now testing at 55.)

It's come up pretty quickly at 4000 IU. But I'd ask a doctor before I would up it to that much.
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BonnieJW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 10:47 AM
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34. I had to increase mine to 5000 before it
changed my test to reflect a sufficient level.
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 12:48 PM
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2. taking 100,000 IU a week for a long time
my levels finally reached 33 from a low of 10. Now I'm on 50,000 IU a week. I suspect the levels will drop back to 22 again as this is what happened last time I went from 100,000 IU to 50,000 IU a week.

This is a frustrating game.

It seems that my body is not metabolizing vitamin D.
:wtf:

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Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 01:43 PM
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10. I think vitamin D is fat soluble.
Are you having something with some fat when you take it?
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 03:38 PM
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11. can't really say
probably sometimes yes. Other times no. I'll have to make a point of eating something or drinking something with fat in it and see if it makes a difference.

I cannot say I've noticed any difference with this whole thing. It has been going on for over a year now. I'm very tired of all of the blood tests.

Frankly, I don't give a damn. The doctor is really pushing this, not me. :( Costly too ... those vitamin D pills ... :(

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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 02:18 AM
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33. self-delete
Edited on Sat Jul-31-10 02:19 AM by snagglepuss
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JustAnotherGen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 12:57 PM
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3. It’s imperative
For those of us who have auto-immune diseases to take Vitamin D. *Hides head in paperbag* - And although I’m bi-racial – In the Fall, Winter and Spring – I go to a tanning booth – and I live at the pool and the beach during the summer (Jersey shore). Take huge amounts/getting a lot of sun makes me feel tremendously better.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 01:03 PM
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4. I've been taking 1000-2000 IU daily for the last several years....
A blood test revealed extremely low D titer. I suspect most people will find the same. My partner did, just a couple of months ago. After all, we evolved the ability to synthesize vitamin D in from sunlight exposure when we lived in equatorial Africa, lived naked, and spent our days outdoors (and died before the age when melanomas might have killed us). I suspect very few modern humans get sufficient sun exposure to manufacture enough vitamin D.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 01:07 PM
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5. There is too much of a good thing
and it can be toxic in ultra high doses, mostly because it raises serum calcium levels.

Most fact sheets out there note that this happens mostly with prescription forms of the vitamin in people who abuse it, thinking more is better.

An easy to read fact sheet is at https://health.google.com/health/ref/Hypervitaminosis+D
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 01:40 PM
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9. That would be my fear. But I wonder why my primary care doc never says
anything about taking more Vitamin D. He knows I take a One a Day vitamin supplement for seniors but has never asked about Vitamin D per se. I have an annual checkup with all the routine screenings and this issue has never been raised...
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Dorian Gray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 12:00 AM
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16. Have you asked him?
Two of my doctors brought it up to me. (My GP and my peri-natal specialist.) But they both are recent additions. It was never brought up by any of my past doctors. Perhaps he doesn't test for D Levels or you don't have low levels in your blood work????
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 07:22 AM
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18. My routine bloodwork is always fine. But it may not be specific enough
on this question. I really don't know.

No, I haven't brought it up to him, not because I don't want to know but because I never remember it.

I like him and think he is up to date on lots of things. But we never seem to talk about nutrition. He screens for blood sugar, kidney and liver function, and whatever else is on the routine list. Since I am on blood pressure meds he also does EKGs.
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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 11:27 PM
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36. When vitamin D comes up, treat your doc to the next step re vitamin A as retinol: Your multivitamin


for seniors -- presumably One-A-Day for 50+ (?) -- lists "Vitamin A, 2500 IU, 50% DV (20% as beta-carotene)"...thus, 80% or 1600 IU retinol per tab.

"20% as beta-carotene"? Cute.

Empty token gesture for advertising distraction (since the 80% retinol is...well..."hazardous").

For greatest effectiveness of the human innate immune system -- on physical and mental well-being -- the ideal nutrition value for Vitamin A would be "100% beta-carotene" (zero retinol), per Dr. John Cannell...especially for 50+:

9. Over the last 20 years, why has influenza mortality in the aged not declined with increasing vaccination rates?

Given that influenza vaccines effectively improve adaptive immunity, the most likely explanation is that the innate immunity of the aged declined over the last 20 years due to medical and governmental warnings to avoid the sun. While the young usually ignore such advice, the elderly often follow it 87,88. We suggest that improvements in adaptive immunity from increased vaccination of the aged are inadequate to compensate for declines in innate immunity the aged suffered over that same time.

For elaboration on conundrum #9, see: On the Epidemiology of Influenza --A ninth conundrum...


The body uses...carotenoid substrates to make exactly the right amount of retinol for your body. That is, it is a closed, tightly regulated, system, one designed to perfection by Nature. When you take vitamin A as retinol, such as in cod liver oil, you intervene in this closed system and bypass the controls. Proceed at your peril.

*****

...the benefits of vitamin D are almost entirely negated in those with the highest vitamin A intake. And the retinol intake did not have to be that high in these older adults to begin to negate vitamin D's effects, about 3,000 IU/day. Remember, young autistic children often take 3,500 IU of retinol a day in their powdered multivitamins, which doesn't count any additional vitamin A given in high, single doses.

*****

...Your children have subclinical vitamin A toxicity, which blocks the effect of Vitamin D. The 3,500 IU of preformed retinol they are taking would be as if I were taking 25,000 IU of preformed retinol a day. It may take years for the toxic amounts of vitamin A to be removed from their system because, unlike vitamin D, the body has no good system to remove vitamin A quickly.

Source: Vitamin D & Vit A as Retinol: "Avoid cod liver oil like the poison it is & check your multivitamins


I suspect doctors would not want patients on One-A-Day for 50+ or any like multivitamin with high % DV retinol, after they evaluated Dr. Cannell's epidemiological analysis of the negative effect retinol -- in relatively small amounts -- can have on the innate immune system. Multis with 100% beta-carotene vit A are available. Why take the chance (especially if an elder)?

Almost every dairy product has vitamin A (as 100% retinol) in it. It can accumulate, because it's re-used and not evacuated quickly.

1 8 oz of most milks == 10% DV vitamin A == 500 IU retinol
1 slice of typical cheese == 4% DV vitamin A == 200 IU retinol
1 slice of Borden's "Essentials" cheese == 20% DV vitamin A == 1000 IU retinol
1 One-A-Day for 50+ tab = 50% DV vitamin A (20% beta-carotene) == 1600 IU retinol (every day..not much room for many dairy products)

See, too: "Added vitamin A" in dairy products is almost always 100% retinol










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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 01:45 AM
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37. Correction: 80% * 2500 IU vitamin A == 2000 IU retinol per tab One-A-Day for 50+ (!) nt
Edited on Sat Aug-07-10 01:46 AM by tiptoe
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 01:20 PM
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6. It's recommended that if you take Vitamin D, you should also take Magnesium ...
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Sanity Claws Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 01:35 PM
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8. Thanks for this information
I hadn't heard it before.
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 03:52 PM
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12. You haven't heard because it is not correct. Best to get information
Edited on Mon Jul-26-10 03:53 PM by snagglepuss
from credible websites. Below is an snip from an online discussion. Reinhold Vieth, quoted below is considered one of the world's pre-eminent Vitamin D researchers.


Here's Vieth's opinion about magnesium. Note his comment that the a need for
magnesium supplementation seems only to be based on promotions derived
from nutrient manufacturers, not real science.




From: [email protected] (Reinhold Vieth)
Newsgroups: alt.support.mult-sclerosis
Subject: Re: Vitamin D-Anyone tried high dose?
Date: 2 Dec 2001 19:34:40 -0800
Message-ID: <[email protected]>

Nick
Concerning the statement:

> High dose vitamin D3 increases need for magnesium. This was recently cited
> in Townsend Letter article on low stomach acid...but here is a bit from
>
> http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag97/dec-late97.html

I checked the above web link, and honestly see very little credible
data there. I don't like being so negative, but it is an opinion I
developed through a lot of thought and research.

I would love to see the evidence (peer-reviewed, published medical
literature) that vitamin D plays any role in magnesium biology.
Likewise, I would love to see the published evidence about the concept
prevailing in the alternative medicine literature about the severe
focus on magnesium. If you can, please direct me to something
published on this that I can find on Medline. I have searched to no
avail, I have asked colleagues about this, and likewise come up empty
on real evidence for much of a need for magnesium supplementation.
Unlike calcium, magnesium is pretty available in many foods because Mg
is the major intracellular cation (and most foods are comprised of
cellular material).

Lastly, I have not seen any data from our hospital patients that
suggests any correlation between alkaline phosphatase (an enzyme that
goes up with gall-bladder, liver problems). Like I have said before,
there is no obvious reason why vitamin D should affect the liver.

Also, note that vitamin D can be taken orally and be thus taken by its
natural route. How else would fur-bearing animals get their vitamin D
other than by licking the vitamin D generated in the oils of their
fur.

The fears about vitamin D are grossly overblown, and the a need for
magnesium supplementation seems only to be based on promotions derived
from nutrient manufacturers, not real science.

Best wishes,
Reinhold




http://yarchive.net/med/vitamin_d.html






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HockeyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 01:28 PM
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7. I live in the glorious (sic) Sunshine State
where you can tan from just driving around INSIDE your car. Vitamin D? I don't think so.
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 03:58 PM
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13. Research shows that living in the sunbelt doesn't ensure adequate levels.
Lots of information in that regard on the web. Checking your Vit D level is inexpensive. Having low levels is a guarantee for osteoporosis amongst other serious illnesses. One excellent site is the Vitamin D Council website.
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Abq_Sarah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 02:48 PM
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22. I live in the land of enchantment
Where the sun shines about 76% of the time. I take 4000IU a day during the summer and 6,000 during the winter to keep my levels up.

It's important to get your levels checked, regardless of where you live. As you age, your ability to synthesize Vit D from sunlight decreases.
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BuddhaGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 10:45 PM
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14. I've been taking 1000IU - 3000IU per day with more in winter
for the past three years. I have not had one cold in that time, and I used to get at least two every year prior to taking D.
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 09:55 PM
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24. I second that result. No colds since I started 2,000 daily. My levels were 25
and I should retest.

Is there a inexpensive way to do this without a doctors prescription??

Otherwise I have to pay big deductibles to see my doctor.
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BuddhaGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 10:15 PM
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26. check out the Life Extension website
I believe you can order tests online that are can be done at a lab near you...I haven't done this yet so not sure of all the details, but their website will have the info :-)
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 11:29 PM
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27. great! I'll check it out nt
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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 04:57 AM
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17. The antagonist to vitamin D (it's in your milk, cheese, multivitamins...ALERT!):
Edited on Tue Jul-27-10 05:07 AM by tiptoe
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 01:06 PM
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21. Hold your horses. Please cite your sources that milk and cheese are high in retinol.
I have read both Vieth and Cannell strongly advise consumers not to use cod liver oil however I have never come across either of these researchers or read in any study that milk and cheese inhibit the absoption of Vit D.

According to the NY Dept of Health, cod liver oil is high source of retinol some multi-vitamins are a high source of retinol. Milk has retinol but is not noted as a high source. If you have credible information about the retinol in milk and cheese as it pertains to Vit D, I am very interested to read it. Thanks.



http://www.health.state.ny.us/diseases/conditions/osteoporosis/vitd.htm






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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 04:18 PM
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23. "Added vitamin A" in dairy products is almost always 100% retinol.
Edited on Tue Jul-27-10 05:18 PM by tiptoe

While the USDA nutrient database (search 'milk') indicates non-added vitamin A milk products, I've yet discovered any fluid milk products -- fat-free, 1%, 2%, whole -- on local store shelves without vitamin A added (from casual nutrition facts checks when shopping).

Moreover, when I've come across no milk nutrition label specifying its added vitamin A as "beta-carotene", I presume all milks are vitamin A fortified 100% retinol. That milk labels would mention beta-carotene content, if there were any, I base on a dairy product that does just that: Smart Balance Omega Light "spread". Its label reads, for a standard 1 Tbsp serving:

"Vitamin A 10% (18% beta-carotene)"

I read that as: 'Of the vitamin A content in a Tbsp of this product supplying 10% DV, 18% is beta-carotene, 82% is retinol.' Now, that's in a "buttery spread" product designed to be "healthier" than competitors (e.g. Omega-3 ALA 20% DV, Omega-3 EPA,DHA 20% DV; vitamin D 50% DV (1997 standards); oils--soybean,palm fruit,flaxseed,fish,canola,oilve;non-hydrogenated). I would expect any less-specifically health-focused dairy product -- like standard added-vitamin A milk and cheese (or non-dairy cereal) products -- to be 100% retinol-based.

From the Harvard School of Public Health:

source 1:
...Plus, dairy products can be high in saturated fat as well as retinol (vitamin A), which at high levels can paradoxically weaken bones.

source 2:
Vitamin A. Several studies have shown a correlation between high vitamin A intake and fracture risk. Some experts say it’s time to stop fortifying milk and breakfast cereal with vitamin A, because the population is getting older and the prevalence of osteoporosis is increasing. Meanwhile, you should avoid multivitamins that contain 10,000 IU of vitamin A, which is twice the recommended daily intake of 5,000 IU — and many experts think that’s too much. Bear in mind that the beta carotene in carrots and other vegetables is not a problem. It is far less biologically active than retinol, the form of vitamin A in many vitamin pills and fortified foods.

source 3 for food sources, RDA, etc


From what I gleaned shopping for 1/2-gal milk, the amount of vitamin A per 8 oz serving of milk ranges between 6% to 10% the Daily Value. (Again, I found none without added vitamin A.)

Most processed cheeses offer 4% DV of vitamin A, although I discovered a Borden's product that I consider a hazard to effective vitamin D metabolism and would avoid. Check it out:

Single serving examples:
Bayview Fat-Free Milk, 8oz: vitamin A 10% DV (vitamin A palmitate)
Smart Balance LF milk, 8 oz: vitamin A 10% DV (vitamin A palmitate)
Borden's American Singles cheese slice, "triple calcium": vitamin A 4% DV (vitamin A palmitate)
Borden's "Essentials": vitamin A 20% DV (vitamin A palmitate) (!!!)

Note: The terms "Vitamin A" and "Vitamin D" usually refers to the "active" form when professionals use them indiscriminately. However, without specificity the terms can also be causes of confusion, even amongst academics. Rheinhold Vieth devoted an entire article to Vitamin D terminology:
Abstract
Official nutrition committee reports in both North America and Europe now state that Vitamin D is more of a hormone than a nutrient. These statements are wrong, and do not reflect the definitions of either vitamin or hormone. Researchers often compound the problem by referring to calcitriol or other deltanoids as “Vitamin D”. These things have serious consequences: (1) The literature is burdened by an ongoing confusion that presumes that the reader will somehow “know” what the writer refers to by “Vitamin D”. (2) Medical practitioners not familiar with the ambiguities administer Vitamin D inappropriately when calcitriol or a deltanoid analog would be correct, or vice versa. (3) Attempts to promote VitaminD nutrition are hindered by alarmist responses justifiably associated with the widespread administration of any hormone. VitaminD is a vitamin in the truest sense of the word, because “insufficient amounts in the diet may cause deficiency diseases”. The term, prohormone, is not relevant to the VitaminD system, but 25-hydroxy-VitaminD (calcidiol) is appropriately described as a prehormone, i.e. a glandular secretory product, having little or no inherent biologic potency, that is converted peripherally to an active hormone.


The Daily Value for Vitamin A is 5000 IU.

1) Let's say a person ingests one glass of milk a day (10% DV, no other milk porducts) and 1 slice of Borden's 'American singles' cheese (4% DV):

500+200 IU == 700 IU retinol.

2) Let's say a person ingests one glass of milk a day (no other milk porducts) and 1 slice of Borden's 'Essentials' cheese:

500+1000 IU == 1500 IU retinol

3) Let's say 1 glasss of milk plus 1/2 glass-equivalent in other milk products, and 3 slices of 'Essentials' cheese in a hoagie sandwich

750+ 3000 == 3750 IU retinol    (before even taking some daily multivitamin with 50% or 71% retinol)

Since Cannell commends Life Extension's reduction of retinol in its multivitamin to "only 500 IU" (a daily intake), presumably scenario 1 shouldn't be a great concern. But I'd consider the other two intakes of retinol -- i.e., from only a couple of dairy products (more daily exposure to other products, to be sure) -- to be risky "high". Remember, we're talking about active vitamin A, not substrate beta-carotene. And while Dr. Cannell does specifically advise against cod liver oil -- for its very high 100% retinoic acid content in small servings -- I'm further concerned about another tidbit of information from him in his response to a mother of two autistic children, which might go unappreciated in the context of consumption of common dairy products like milk, cheese, etc:
...It may take years for the toxic amounts of vitamin A to be removed from their system because, unlike vitamin D, the body has no good system to remove vitamin A quickly.

In the above context, what concerns me is how cumulative might be retinol intakes, i.e., over multiple meals and multiple days? How efficiently is active vitamin A used, depleted and/or evacuated? (I've read it's re-used.)

Although Dr. Cannell didn't specifically speak or warn about a process of cumulative build-up of active Vitamin A, isn't there an implication of such in the phrase: "the body has no good system to remove vitamin A quickly"?

That's why I've become leary of dairy products with "4% DV" or "6% DV" or "10% DV" or "20% DV" vitamin A -- and such intakes would be apart from any multivitamin one might eventually take later (e.g., Centrum, 5000 IU vitamin A, 71% retinol). It would seem all too easy to accumulate retinol throughout the day via dairy products, if I get the gist of Cannell's comment and extrapolate correctly. (Let me know, if I'm wrong.) I checked labels of 17 brands of multivitamins sold on a website: Only 4 offered 100% beta-carotene.

Vitamin D healthy metabolism and robust immune system require care with Vitamin A intake: retinol vs beta-carotene. It's intriguing, too, the same organ manages a perfect ratio of the active forms of the two vitamins (if allowed to do so)

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wuvuj Donating Member (874 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 06:49 AM
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28. 2 things you probably want to do...
1) avoid any form of vitamin A in a supplement other than beta-carotene....to avoid some of the blocking effects of retinol

2) if you take a larger amount of D3...keep your calcium supplements down to 600 mg / day...to avoid a possibility of too much blood calcium
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 11:34 AM
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29. Please cite your sources that calcium supplements has to be restricted
to less than 600 mg/day.

Reinhold Veith got interested in Vitamin D because his specialty is osteoporsis. He is a professor in U of T’s departments of nutritional sciences, and laboratory medicine and pathobiology and his research is cited in may studies, one of which is the role of Vit D and Calcium in the treatment of MS.


Jodie M Burton, MD, MSc, FRCPC, Assistant Clinical Professor,Department of Clinical Neurosciences
University of Calgary, Alberta, Canada cites Vieth's research as the basis for recommending 1000 mg/day of calcium for MS patients.


Calcium

- Do you advise your patients with MS to take calcium?

I do suggest the patients supplement with calcium as well, we cannot be sure that our results are not related to the effects of both vitamin D and calcium, and Cantorna's animal studies as well as the paper in Am J Clinical Nutrition about reducing risk of cancer seem to point to a role for both.


- If so, how much calcium do you advise them to take?

I recommend 1000 mg of calcium (in our trial we used 1200mg).

My dosing ideas come from reviewing the literature and working with our vitamin D biochemistry collaborators (Dr. Reinhold Vieth and his PhD student Samantha Kimball here in Toronto).

http://www.vitamindandms.org/researchers/burton/burton.html


Also see Vit D council's info about overblown fears of hypercalciumia.

http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/vitaminDToxicity.shtml
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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-10 08:31 PM
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32. Dr. Heaney: "..in the kinds of doses we're talking about...vitamin D doesn't cause hypercalcemia..."
Edited on Thu Jul-29-10 08:32 PM by tiptoe


"Evidence from clinical trials shows, with a wide margin of confidence, that a prolonged intake of 10,000 IU/d of vitamin D(3) poses no risk of adverse effects for adults, even if this is added to a rather high physiologic background level of vitamin D."

Reinhold Vieth, PhD Ann Epidemiol 2009;19(7):441-5 Vitamin D & cancer mini-symposium: the risk of additional vitamin D"
*******

"Physicians think vitamin D itself causes calcium absorption. That's why we've had to overcome this idea that Vitamin D can be toxic in the types of doses we're typically using: It doesn't cause an increase in calcium absorption; it doesn't cause hypercalcemia; and it doesn't cause hypercalciuria — in the kinds of doses we're talking about."

video source here: Safety & two MD general recommendations: "How Much Vitamin D Should I Take?"
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-10 06:46 AM
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30. Great information. Thanks for posting.
:hi:
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 11:48 AM
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19. I noticed that my doctor has a handout of things he wants his patients to do
to stay healthy - including taking 2000 IUD a day - as a general suggestion rather than in response to an individual blood test.
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 09:57 PM
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25. Can you share some of the other suggestions?
I decided for myself to use 2000 per day, so I think like your Dr.!
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 11:53 AM
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20. An irony brought to mind after reading the article at the link -
we have a Canadian friend who is alive today because of a lot of high tech medicine to treat his Crohn's disease including the loss of a good part of his intestines. He survives because of a complicated regimen of special feedings. It's painful to think that if he'd been given extra vitamin D 40 years ago, he wouldn't be going through this now.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-10 07:51 AM
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31. My dietician told me to take 3000IU of Vitamin D a day.
Apparently at my latitude (47 north) the sun is not high enough in the sky for enough UV light to get though to your skin and make vitamin D for half the year.
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 11:57 AM
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35. Bad journalism. The plural of anecdote is not data. Duh.
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