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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 09:15 PM
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Diet Reverses Type 2 Diabetes
Diet reverses Type 2 Diabetes

A Newcastle University team has discovered that Type 2 diabetes can be reversed by an extreme low calorie diet alone.

Affecting two and half million people in the UK – and on the increase – Type 2 diabetes is a long-term condition caused by too much glucose, a type of sugar, in the blood.

In an early stage clinical trial of 11 people, funded by Diabetes UK, all reversed their diabetes by drastically cutting their food intake to just 600 calories a day for two months. And three months later, seven remained free of diabetes.

Professor Roy Taylor of Newcastle University who led the study and also works for The Newcastle-Upon-Tyne Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust said: “To have people free of diabetes after years with the condition is remarkable - and all because of an eight week diet.

http://www.ncl.ac.uk/press.office/press.release/item/diet-reverses-type-2-diabetes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdVH0PBLUEI">VIDEO
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 09:27 PM
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1. Good news!!!
...all reversed their diabetes by drastically cutting their food intake to just 600 calories a day for two months. And three months later, seven remained free of diabetes.

600 calories a day? But be free from insulin, drugs, labs and doctor's visits would make it worthwhile!

Kick! :dem:
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 09:30 PM
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2. Worthwhile, indeed!
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 09:54 PM
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3. That sounds like when they move from 600 calories
to more like 1200 or so, the fat cells will plump up. I'll watch for a couple of years and see how the 11 people do then. Diet is the key, but that doesn't sound sustainable.
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 10:03 PM
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4. Yes, I agree.....
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 11:31 PM
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14. mmmmm. Mechanically-separated chicken...
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 11:37 PM
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15. what is that stuff?
It's been bothering me.
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 03:54 PM
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27. Click the pic. n/t
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housewolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 10:23 PM
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5. That's remarkable if it holds up
Though, 600 calories a day is pretty hard, worth it if it works though, and someone can actually do it.

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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 10:42 PM
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7. Yeah, 600 calories a day is tough to hack.....
...but the alternative is taking meds up the ying-yang forever, or worse.

Severe complications can result from improperly managed type 2 diabetes, including renal failure, erectile dysfunction, blindness, slow healing wounds (including surgical incisions), and arterial disease, including coronary artery disease. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diabetes_mellitus_type_2#Pathophysiology">link


- I'm not sure if I'll make it to 8 weeks, but I've made it for 3 days so far. Wish me luck.....
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AnotherDreamWeaver Donating Member (917 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 10:53 PM
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8. The very best of Luck
And a great life after recovery...
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 11:04 PM
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9. Are you getting guidance from someone?
"Under close supervision of a medical team, 11 people who had developed diabetes later in life were put on an extreme diet of just 600 calories a day consisting of liquid diet drinks and non-starchy vegetables"

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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 11:09 PM
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12. No. n/t
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BanzaiBonnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 11:45 PM
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16. Let us know how thigns are going
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housewolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 03:08 PM
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25. I do wish you the very best of luck!
I very much hope this works out well for you!

Take care and let us know how it goes

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sense Donating Member (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 03:15 AM
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52. You can just change
Edited on Sat Jul-02-11 04:06 AM by sense
your eating habits and lift weights. Cut out the carbs, starches and processed foods. Change to a paleo diet. Much healthier and easier on your body than the drugs or the illnesses and you lose weight without having to limit your calories. You do, however eat less calories than usual because fat and protein are far more satiating than simple carbs and last longer in your body. They also don't react with your hormones to induce fat storage like so many carbs do. Works great!


http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/health/paleolithic-diet-good-for-diabetics-56785.html

Almost forgot: Read this book Good Calories, Bad Calories by Gary Taubes, or the more consumer friendly version, Why we get fat and what to do about it. It's not a diet book. It's about the last 100-200 years of research into the topic and how the research was spun to conform to the scientist's hypothesis' so their fragile little egos weren't harmed..... but millions of people were and are being harmed because they're eating the wrong foods. Or, you could just read the reviews on Amazon to get a really good idea of what the research really says.

http://www.amazon.com/Good-Calories-Bad-Controversial-Science/dp/1400033462/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1309597200&sr=8-2

http://www.amazon.com/Why-We-Get-Fat-About/dp/0307272702/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1309597159&sr=8-1

If you don't like to read or don't want to read through the enormity of the first tome here are some links to lectures he gave:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6vpFV6Wkl4

in three parts....more palatable than many and with some interesting points not mentioned prior

1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XR3FVvEJ-Nk&feature=related

2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myyOD1W1DPg&feature=related

3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HxLeGvFVsM&feature=related


Also quitting statins and anti-depressants, both of which have been linked to diabetes will help. Anti-depressants don't work any better than a placebo unless you have major depression and cholesterol is good for you unless you have the extreme type above 1000 or so. Cholesterol "good" levels have been arbitrarily, not scientifically set by pharmaceutical companies and their accomplices.


http://www.france24.com/en/20110621-high-dose-anti-cholesterol-drugs-linked-diabetes

http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/09/29/us-antidepressant-diabetes-idUSTRE68S57X20100929

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/health/the-cholesterol-deception-part-1-57830.html

http://www.dietheartpublishing.com/The-Truth-About-the-Crestor-Drug-Study

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCBMV6d9HSg&NR=1



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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 10:39 PM
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6. I eat 6000 calories per day. And I'm 135 pounds.
It's what you eat that's crucial.

I'm glad to see this kind of thing being talked about. So many sick people who could be well but for their bad lifestyle.
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 11:04 PM
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10. Exactly, what we eat. Except that's not as easy as it once was to know.
Likewise, our physiology evolved over millennia, however, our lifestyle changes and the increased availability of food is a relatively recent phenomenon of the past couple of centuries. And therein lies the main problems. We evolved as roaming and opportunistic creatures who ate what was in season and more often than not, foods of the herbaceous variety. Now we eat too much meat and processed foods containing ingredients that we can't even pronounce, let alone know what they actually are. And most of the foods that we do eat have been injected with medicines because they're raised in filth.

All the while, the other poisons that the chemical industry has been allowed to expose the entire population to also factors-in to the equation. Particularly since these chemicals often negatively impact upon our bodies ability to properly replicate our own organ's cells -- resulting in diseases like diabetes in some cases, the dysfunction of reproductive systems and/or cancer (like with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diabetes_mellitus_type_2#Lifestyle">bisphenol A).

- And when we get sick after our bodies have been inundated with this crap for years, they give us more chemicals with side effects that sometimes almost as bad as the disease we're trying to treat.

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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 01:49 PM
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24. I found this out about a year ago.
Major changes have taken place in my life.

People have no idea what they're doing to their bodies. I was pummeling my body with huge amounts of carbohydrates when I shouldn't have been.

Take a look at the book The Paleo Diet if you want to learn some very important things. The athletes are all turning to it. I was riding ten miles on my bike and then crashing in blood sugar. Now I'm like a kid again.

Genetics, I'm not convinced play that much of a role. When kids grow up with Coke...
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 11:04 PM
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11. Good grief what are you eating?
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 01:46 PM
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23. Melons, fruit, fish, turkey, broccoli, squash, kale, sardines, lots of salmon oil
In huge amounts.

No dairy.
No legumes.
No tubers.
No grains.
No carbohydrates unless after heavy exercise.

It's called the Paleo diet for athletes. It's what we ate before we became sick. Tons of research went into this discovery. They approached it from multiple angles. Plus, the proof is in the testimonies. Athletes are finding that they're far more healthy and energetic.

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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 06:57 PM
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39. That doesn't look like it adds up to 6000 calories.
Is there so much in fish oil?

I've been tracking my calories so I'm beginning to get a feel for this.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 08:46 PM
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46. I'm sure it's off a bit.
But I'm eating huge portions. Enough for a family of three. I only estimated the calories based on meals I've seen. At any rate, the point was that given the proper diet, we can eat as much as our bodies will tolerate and not get overweight. It doesn't take many happy meals to spike the insulin.
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sense Donating Member (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-11 04:17 AM
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53. Most people are far
more healthy on the paleo diet. It's not just for athletes anymore.... :-)
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 11:59 PM
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17. I'm betting you get an adequate amount of exercise, too.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 01:42 PM
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21. 2 hours of hard mountain biking every day. 1 hour of isometrics/stretching.
Geez, I post completely worthless crap about my life, and I get more replies than threads I've posted of earth shattering importance. I don't get this place. :)
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 03:31 AM
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18. That's complete bullshit. ;Your genetics keeps you at 135 eating that much n/t
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 01:43 PM
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22. Partly true. But you don't need to be so emotional about it.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 06:28 PM
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32. Sorry--recommending a diet that the UN considers to be torture--
--is not something that any progressive should be recommending to any class of human beings.
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SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 03:19 PM
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26. 6000 calories per day?
And you weigh 135 pounds? Do you have intestinal parasites? A serious case of bulimia? Are you engaged in strenuous physical activity 10 hours a day?
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 08:42 PM
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45. I am sure it's off a bit.
But yes, I do strenuous physical activity about 3 hours a day.

I wasn't being exact. But I did look around to see comparable caloric meals. I'm eating for three people, essentially.

I'm really enthusiastic about proper diet. And very few people know what that is. The Paleo Diet book even smashes our USDA food pyramid to pieces. Even they have it wrong.

It costs a lot of money to eat right. It's a real shame. Fish, fresh fruit. I could go on and on with this subject, an it's ramifications to the specie.
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 11:19 PM
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13. This could be a boon for the North Korean economy!
Edited on Tue Jun-28-11 11:21 PM by izquierdista
Now that they are nearing completion on the Ryugyong hotel, they need to find a way to fill it. Since 600 calories a day is the typical North Korean diet, visitors could spend two months there and be cured!



P.S. I know what you're thinking, how does he come up with these win-win solutions to complex foreign and domestic problems?
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 03:59 PM
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28. This is the weirdest OT post I've seen in a long time!!!
- Thank you!!!
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 03:44 AM
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19. And if you have PKU and eat a low phenylalanine diet until brain development is complete--
--you don't get brain damage. If the system that regulates blood sugar surge after eating is defective, then don't eat.

The length of the study is three whole months? This is unsustainable bullshit. 600 calories a day does not allow you to engage in normal human activities.
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 04:20 PM
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29. The length of the study was longer than 3 months.
If you'd actually http://www.diabetologia-journal.org/Lim.pdf">read the article you'd know this.

- But don't let facts get in the way of your opinions......
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 06:38 PM
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35. I did read it. There is not a single graph extending beyond week 8
If you think there is, tell me what the figure number is.

And if you yourself had read it, you might have noted that the study produced ZERO changes in insulin resistance, which is the basic condition underlying Type II diabetes. In other words, no changes whatsoever in a defective regulatory system--merely near elimination of that which the system is supposed to regulate.

I mean really. Don't drive on a bridge that has been rated by engineers as unsafe. Does not driving on it fix the bridge?
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MorningGlow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 05:32 PM
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31. Not true
I've done the HCG diet twice; the caloric intake is 500 cal. a day, all from lean meat, vegetables, and fruit. I did each round for approximately three weeks, followed by three weeks of higher calorie intake but still no carbs or dairy. The first few days my body was going "WTF?", but after that it adjusted, and I was fully functional. VLC diets ARE possible for short periods of time.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 06:29 PM
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33. And rebounding from them is very unhealthy n/t
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MorningGlow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 06:32 PM
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34. I'm fine; thanks for asking
:hi:

Seriously--no ill effects. NONE.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 06:39 PM
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36. Arne't you just it?
And what about people who can't focus on any kind of intellectual task while underdoing such a bullshit regimen? We're supposed to quit our jobs?
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MorningGlow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 06:48 PM
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38. Oh, sorry if my personal experience doesn't fit
whatever scenario you're insisting on calling reality for everyone. :eyes:

You can quit your job if you want. Whatever blows up your skirt. I'm not the one making sweeping generalizations about what EVERYone would experience in a certain situation.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 07:04 PM
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40. My scenario is reality for the majority n/t
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MorningGlow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 07:09 PM
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41. Mmm I like your proof of that
Well done.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 07:44 PM
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42. Try any study on the long term failure of caloire restriction
--on just about any parameter that you care to mention.

http://www.ehow.com/way_5305200_reduced-calorie-diets.html
As stated above, your body needs at least 1,200 calories a day to function, so do not drop below this unless you are otherwise directed by a licensed physician. Serious harm can come to your body if you do not supply it with the proper nutrients that it needs daily. Some of the effects of this include bone loss, a weakened immune system, infertility, gum infections, poor concentration, anemia, and decreased thyroid function.



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MorningGlow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 07:51 PM
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43. Who said anything about "long term"?
I said I was on my VLC diet for three weeks at a time. :shrug:
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 08:14 PM
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44. The study did, indirectly. The authors noted NO EFFECT on insulin resistance
Therefore in order to pernamently affect Type II, the diet would have to be maintained for a lifetime, just as you have to stay off an unsafe bridge forever if you don't fix it.
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MorningGlow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 10:02 PM
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47. How do you get that, from this?
From the article in the OP (emphasis mine):

"In an early stage clinical trial of 11 people, funded by Diabetes UK, all reversed their diabetes by drastically cutting their food intake to just 600 calories a day for two months. And three months later, seven remained free of diabetes."

{snip}

"The volunteers were then followed-up three months later. During this time they had returned to eating normally but had received advice on portion size and healthy eating. Of the ten people re-tested, seven remained free of diabetes."

:shrug:
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 10:07 PM
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48. They also checked for insulin resistance and found that it was unchanged n/t
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MorningGlow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 10:18 PM
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49. Okay, look
First of all, we were talking about long-term vs. short-term very-low-calorie diets. You said that the article implied the VLC diet had to be long-term, and I just pointed out that the VLC was NOT conducted long term. Now you've switched to the issue of insulin resistance, which is a completely different subject. You can't refute my refutation of the duration of the VLC diet by talking about insulin resistance! :banghead:

Second, from the article, "In step with this, the pancreas regained the normal ability to make insulin and as a result, blood sugar after meals steadily improved."

Whether or not this approach is able to affect insulin resistance, it DOES "reset" a body's ability to process insulin. No, the once-diabetic person probably can't go hog wild with high-sugar foods, but apparently it IS possible to live a more normal life without medication.

For the record, I have gone through this same thing--I was insulin resistant when I was heavier. I was on glucophage for a while. When I lost weight, the glucophage started making me ill, and I stopped taking it, because, as my doctor said, my body no longer needed the assistance it provided. At present I do not need any medication, nor do I need to do much other than eat fewer carbs than a non-insulin-resistant person.

This DOES work. Why do you NOT want it to work?
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 10:39 PM
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50. Insulin resistance is the incapacity of target cells to RESPOND to insulin
Taht is the key factor about Type II and it was not changed. Weight loss is not a permanent fix, as the effects generally wear off. My insulin resistance has not changed regardless of whether I spend a summer biking through Europe or writing position papers. I basically want people to stop getting so fucking smarmy about how others must be doing it wrong if they don't get the same results as you.
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MorningGlow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 10:48 PM
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51. Oh Jayzus
"Fucking smarmy"? Really? THAT'S what's underlying your insistence that this can't work? :banghead:

Look, I am insulin resistant as well. We are in the same boat. My question for you is, are you going to let your physical issue (I won't even call it an illness) define you, or not? Because right now you are--so much so that you don't even want this possible solution to work. How is that healthy?

It's late here, and I am tired, so I am going to bed. Good luck to you, Eridani. Really, I mean that.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 06:07 AM
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20. Encouraging news...
though longer follow-up is necessary. A 600-calorie-a-day diet is pretty drastic, and might be dangerous in some cases, so should not be done without medical supervision. If it results in permanent improvement, however, it would be worth it for many.
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 04:21 PM
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30. Agreed.
But all study's have to start somewhere. ;)
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 06:47 PM
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37. Unbelievable stupidity. If you don't drive on a bridge that engineers--
--have rated as unsafe, this fixes the bridge?

Don't eat, and you don't stress a system which inadequately regulates the resulting burst of glocose, which fixes the system. Eat a diet low in phenylalanine and the gene that causes PKU is repaired. Not.

The authors aren't stupid--just the reporters and readers, apparently. The authors do mention that there is ZERO CHANGE in insulin resistance. That means that in order for semi-starvation to work over the long term, it has to be a permanent fixture of your life.
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