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renaissanceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 09:30 PM
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Pat Buchanan on gay priests:
"We wouldn't want gays being priests, considering the child molestation problems already going on." (Scarborough 4/4)

Right... do these fundies EVER look at facts? It's the heterosexuals that molest little boys.

And I wish the rest of the public would wake up and realize that the fundies don't just want to deny us marriage rights...they'd rather do away with us altogether.

(/rant)
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Biology Donating Member (128 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 09:32 PM
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1. thats one of the problems
The right has associated homosexuality with pedophilia. Couldn't be more ignorant.
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 09:34 PM
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2. Well, you're right; however, as a social worker ...
I used to put pediphiles into their own category - a category that contained ruthless opportunists that cared only for themselves.

However, I must say that, in seven years of social work, handling thousands of cases, to a person, every accused (most times subsequently convicted) identified himself as a heterosexual.
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Democrats_win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 09:43 PM
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3. French/Ceasar Salad Dressing, Being attacked by a condiment is hard work
Poor Pat, with Nixon dead, he will never enjoy a same-sex marriage.
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foreigncorrespondent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 09:46 PM
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4. People with less IQ...
...than that of the average human being will always associate pedophilia with homosexuality for the simple reason, they see men who have sex with boys as being gay. They don't give a shit about the facts. It is the sexual part they cannot get past.

Yet I have know of two heterosexual people who have pedophiliac tendencies. Both have been non blood members of my family at one time or another.
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TaleWgnDg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 10:11 PM
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5. Indeed . . .
Edited on Mon Apr-04-05 10:17 PM by TaleWgnDg
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Myth: Lesbians and gay men are more likely to molest children.

Fact: There is no connection between homosexuality and pedophilia. All of the legitimate scientific evidence shows that. Sexual orientation, whether heterosexual or homosexual, is an adult sexual attraction to others. Pedophilia, on the other hand, is an adult sexual attraction to children. Ninety percent of child abuse* is committed by heterosexual men. In one study of 269 cases of child sexual abuse, only two offenders were gay or lesbian. Of the cases studied involving molestation of a boy by a man, 74 percent of the men were or had been in a heterosexual relationship with the boy's mother or another female relative. The study concluded that "a child's risk of being molested by his or her relative's heterosexual partner is over 100 times greater than by someone who might be identifiable as being homosexual, lesbian, or bisexual."10

fn 10 Carole Jenny, et al., Are Children at Risk for Sexual Abuse by Homosexuals?, Pediatrics, Vol. 94, No. 1 (1994); see also David Newton, Homosexual Behavior and Child Molestation: A Review of the Evidence, Adolescence, Vol. XIII, No. 49 at 40 (1978) ("A review of the available research on pedophilia provides no basis for associating child molestation with homosexual behavior.") (italicized type and bold-face type emphasis added by TaleWgnDg)

*the term "child abuse," both legally and medically, includes child molestation, pedophilia, and/or child sexual abuse.

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And, there are many other medical reviews and/or clinical studies that are similar . . . indicating gays don't sexually abuse children as the rightwing religion-into-law idiots pander!!
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same-sex marriage picketers in front of the Massachusetts Statehouse,
Febuary 2004 during the Massachusetts Constitutional Convention

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Langley85 Donating Member (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 01:45 PM
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6. my aunt
Edited on Thu Apr-07-05 01:46 PM by Langley85
was concerned that my boyfriend and I were helping his sis babysit my aunt's children, and she said so to my mom. obviously she thinks we'll cast some spell on them and send them back to her "ruined" for life.

Pat Buchanan is a camera-hog and an idiot. The sooner all these old farts die off, the world will be a better place.
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TaleWgnDg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 03:58 AM
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8. How sad. I hope "your aunt" gets more information . . .
Edited on Sun Apr-10-05 04:00 AM by TaleWgnDg
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How sad. I hope "your aunt" gets more information . . . maybe you'd want to give her or your mother (to give to her) that study from which I quoted (above)? Or any competent pediatrician can inform "your aunt" that the myth about gays molesting children isn't true.

And, yes, I agree as soon as the pendulum swings the other way -- away from the hand-wringing so-called "christian" fundamentalist who want all humanity to behave as they see fit -- all Americans will be better off.

Welcome to DU, Langley85. :hi:
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Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 10:46 AM
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7. If the fundies get their way, anyone who's GLBT better get outta here fast
You will be the Jews of the Holicasut. They want to be rid of you completly.

Everyone's welcome to come hide in my straight home wuntil we can get you to safety!


Seriously. These fundies terrify me. They are after everyone, Unfortunately, anyone GBLT is on the top of their current hit list, along with judges who follow the law.
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Technowitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 02:21 PM
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9. My same-sex wife and I continue to watch with caution...
...because I actually do believe that these radical right-wing lunatics would like nothing more than to criminalize homosexuality.

We've already been eyeing property in British Columbia. Where, if we wed, it would actually count for something.
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sans qualia Donating Member (675 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 02:47 PM
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10. ^10,000th post!
:party: Yay! :party:
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 04:05 PM
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12. already have our border crossing krugerrands
We might fly up to Vancouver this summer to take a look around. That amnedment passes and, "Ciao". It would be a hardship to give up my medical care, but I'd lose it anyway in a faith based reeducation camp.
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Montauk6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 04:05 PM
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11. I need to be devil's advocate for a moment because I'm confused
I knew about the statistics about heterosexuals being more likely to commit child molestation but I had thought that this meant that adult men were more likely to molest little girls than little boys (which made that fear of having gay scoutmasters or teachers ridiculous).

Are you saying that if an adult male sexually molests a boy then that is not ipso facto a homosexual act?
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 09:03 PM
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13. They having nothing to do with each other.
Edited on Sun Apr-10-05 09:33 PM by sonicx
People like Buchanan assume that molesting a child of a curtain gender means that person is attracted to adults of that gender. That is an incorrect assumption, as the two are independent of each other.

1. Many (Most?) child molesters are not attracted to adults at all.
2. Most are attracted to ALL children, but many molest boys because of opportunity.
3. Many child molestations happen not because of attraction to children, but simply as way for a person to have power over another or because a situation allows the person to get "sex" they couldn't get elsewhere, like with prison rape or rape in general sometimes.
4. Studies show that self-IDed gays and lesbians (people who are attracted to adults of the same gender) are equally or even less likely to molest children or be attracted to children than self-IDed heterosexuals.

http://www.robincmiller.com/gayles4.htm

In 1978 psychologist Nicholas Groth screened 175 men who had been convicted in Massachusetts of sexual molestation of children and referred by a court for psychological evaluation. He found not a single gay man in this sample. Every one of the perpetrators was either an exclusive heterosexual, a bisexual with a predominantly heterosexual orientation, or a fixated pedophile with no sexual interest in adults.<4>

His conclusion? That "the adult heterosexual male constitutes a greater risk to the underage child than does the adult homosexual male."

In the same year, researcher David Newton reviewed the scientific literature and found no reason to believe that anything other than a "random connection" existed between homosexual orientation and child molestation.<5>

Later research has confirmed these findings:


In 1988, renowned sex researcher Kurt Freund at the Clarke Institute of Psychiatry in Toronto studied two groups of paid volunteers and found that gay men responded no more to male child stimuli than heterosexual men responded to female child stimuli.<6> He later described as a "myth" the notion that gay men are more likely than straight men to be child molesters.<7>
In 1992, alarmed over claims made during a campaign for an anti-gay state constitutional amendment in Colorado, two physicians reviewed every case of suspected child molestation evaluated at Children's Hospital in Denver over a one-year period. Of the 269 cases determined to involve molestation by an adult, only two of the perpetrators could be identified as gay or lesbian. The researchers concluded that the risk of child sexual abuse by an identifiably gay or lesbian person was between zero and 3.1%, and that the risk of such abuse by the heterosexual partner of a relative was over 100 times greater.<8>
Child abuse, including sexual abuse, is a terrible reality in this country. According to the National Child Abuse and Neglect Data System, established by the federal Department of Health and Human Services, nearly 90,000 children are sexually abused every year.<9> According to some researchers, the true number may be five times this.<10>

Approximately 80 percent of these sexually molested children are girls.<11> Persons focusing only on the remaining 20 percent of molestations--and, even then, only on the small fraction of these crimes committed by gay men--are not authentically concerned with combating sexual abuse of children. Their primary interest lies in perpetuating fear.


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