It was like living in a parallel universe last night.

[bluedawg12]

It was like living in a parallel universe.

On one hand I am watching the elections, posting on DU and going nuts with joy as Obama sweeps State after State to achieve a proud, historical moment while at the same time I am on another forum.

A little forum of moderate sounding people, with whom I have posted with for years, stayed out of GLBT politics there as the theme of the forum is science fiction.

Well, someone posted an anti-Prop 8 thread and the worms came crawling out of the rotting apple.

Witness for example some comments:

“Don’t get me wrong, I know some gays, but homosexuality is wrong.”

This from a Mormon on the forum:

“ I have some gay friends. I love them to pieces. But, it’s morally wrong. Sorry, but that’s what my faith tells me.”

“I am voting for Prop 8 to save America.”

“ I am voting for Prop 8 because the moral decline of this country will be punished by God, sooner or later, we will destroy our selves. That’s why I am voting against gay marriage.”

From others:

“It’s a choice, a life style. Don’t get me started on this.”

“They will never be like us. Marriage between two men is just not the same. If it walks like ‘deer’,runs like a ‘deer,’ talks like a ‘deer’ don’t tell me it’s a turtle.”

Another, from an AA woman, pro Obama:

“I have some gay friends. I love them, they are great guys. But when they kiss, I get queasy. I am so torn. I still think marriage is something special, something beautiful between a man and a woman. I just don’t know what to do. I mean, I hate to vote with Focus on the ****, but, still. I guess I can ( unsaid: hold my nose) and vote against Propr 8.”

These are regular folk, maybe to the right of the spectrum for some, but many have prided themselves on being “open,” “accepting,” they often say of themselves, “we are a tolerant bunch.”

What is wrong with people?

They see nothing wrong with casually dehumanizing their fellows as living lives that are “wrong, immoral, destructive to our nation, nauseating to witness?”

Power conceded nothing without a fight.

Patriotism, wrapped in religiosity, is a pernicious recurrent theme in history. But they don’t see it.

What is wrong with this country? Taking away human rights from others and codifying it as a constitutional matter? This is their source of pride?

Oh, I can understand the wingnuts voting for Prop 8, I cannot understand Dems voting for it.

Oh, I can understand the demographic: Hispanic Catholics, Baptist AA’s, or just plain old bigots. I can understand it intellectually, but I can’t quite get my gut to accept three states, three...going down the drain on gay marriage. Two of which went blue otherwise.

BTW- I did get support from some people there, but, finally, I blew my cork and threw the polite bigotry back at them. Seems like it's hard to over look people who trash one's own life and then smile as if nothing is wrong.

Where does the GLBT community start?

Now that we have elected President Obama. Now that the coutnry is poised for grerat things with a great leader. Where do we start?

[msongs]

1. can't gas jews or enslave blacks anymore, who is left to demonize? g l b t nt

[bluedawg12]

2. Yup, we are that rare commodity: a target that binds

people together in hatred, and ever so cheerfully done.

They say: "Hey, I have gay friends. They are not human, but they amuse me." Ha ha ha. <sarcasm>

[bluedawg12]

6. I can't believe that people say this crap and not see their bigotry

what is wrong with people to actually vote to take away rights from other human beings?

They don't respect gays and think we see marriage as just some big party for us, rather than seeing us families.

[Imperialism Inc.]

3. The good news is that the justices Obama will appoint to the

Supreme Court will be friendly to gay marriage. The 14th amendment promises everyone equal treatment under the law. That means if the law gives 2 people the right to enter in to a legal contract called marriage the law has to give everyone that right. That is why the bigots are using constitutional amendments to do their dirty work as an ordinary law will not stand the light of the justice system. All that can be done is to keep trying. Keep pushing. I feel so bad for my gay and lesbian friends. I think we all just have to accept that there is still more work to be done.

[bluedawg12]

4. How does one supercede a State Constitutiona Law?

Of course Pres. Obama will impact Federal Judges and SOTUS but can the State laws ever be changed now?

[bluedawg12]

5. Taking inventory- where does this bigotry come from?

can't fix it, till we know where the problem originates.

Numero uno: What's organized, wealthy, tax exempt, has small cells that meet egularly and stir their group to political action?

Organized religion.

That's our first problem because, in the past, human rights movements have been able to appeal to moral peple using theology. But in this instance, theology is being used to oppress an entire class of people.

[Zenlitened]

7. Ding.

[bluedawg12]

8. We won't get the clergy behind us, so

we need to get in front of them.

Take this out of the realm of morals, their turf, and continue to appeal to fairness and be prepared to fight it on legal levels and even scientific levels. They love to throw that crap about gays and disease, or some 40 year old study about gays being bad parents, etc.

The other side sure is spending a lot of money on this considering Obama defused wedge issues from the campaign.